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Former Governor of Florida Charlie Crist answers a question during the University of Southern California's Schwarzenegger Institute for State and Global Policy inaugural Symposium in Los Angeles, California, September 24, 2012. REUTERS/Gus Ruelas (UNITED STATES - Tags: EDUCATION POLITICS) - RTR38DBF
Charlie Crist
The decision by Republican state lawmakers to put politics over people will mean as many as 17,000 premature deaths, when people who would have had access to health care through Medicaid expansion are denied it. Democrats should make this an issue in every single race this year. And one is.

Florida's former Gov. Charlie Crist, who's running against current-Gov. Rick Scott to get his job back, is challenging Scott in the starkest of terms.

"[Scott] said he was for it, Medicaid expansion, for about 30 seconds. I'm exaggerating a little bit, but not much," Crist said on MSNBC's "Daily Rundown." "Didn't lift a finger to get it passed."

"What are the results? About a million of my fellow Floridians are not getting health care today, and I am told by friends at SIEU (sic) that means that six people in Florida die every day as a result of that. Every day," Crist continued.

Analysists from Harvard University and the City University of New York estimate that deaths in Florida from lack of Medicaid access will range from 1,158 to 2,221. They don't put a time frame on that, but it's true that almost 1.3 million Floridians are being shut out of Medicaid, shut out of health care. It's thus entirely conceivable that six people could be dying every day in that state.

Scott did endorse expanding Medicaid, but Republicans in the state legislature blocked it, and Scott dropped the issue entirely, leaving almost 1.3 million people out in the cold. That's certainly an issue that should dominate in this year's election.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 08:46 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos and DKos Florida.

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  •  I'm wondering... (25+ / 0-)

    ...how many deaths Rick Perry is responsible for via HIS refusal to extend Medicaid in Texas. And may I add this-- not only should Perry be blamed, but also Greg Abbott, who vowed to "keep Obamacare out of Texas" in one of his ads. I sure hope Wendy Davis hangs Abbott out to dry on this (among other things).

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Gandhi

    by alaprst on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 08:55:44 AM PST

    •  Same thing in Louisiana (10+ / 0-)

      Gov. Booby Jindal has denied Medicaid to people here, too.

      "Onward through the fog!" - Oat Willie

      by rocksout on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:08:46 AM PST

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      •  Same it UT (4+ / 0-)

        Here is Herbert's bullshit:

        "We've got to get people to understand this ought to be based on common sense and adhere to concern for the taxpayer as opposed to ideology — because we don't like Obamacare, therefore we won't take a federal dollar," Herbert said
        "I don't want to presuppose or limit myself to anything," Herbert said. "I've got to get the Legislature to buy off on the fact that federal dollars can be used appropriately. That seems to be the obstacle right now."

        The governor labeled that a false debate.

        "This is all being paid for by taxpayers money," he said, whether it comes from state coffers or Washington, D.C. "It doesn't become tainted.

        "

        http://www.deseretnews.com/...

        Does it even cross their small minds that THEIR health care and pensions are also funded by federal dollars?

        Congress cut SNAP $8 Billion, but increased the farm subsidies which will cost $15 Billion.. In what sane world does that make sense?

        by snoopydawg on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:00:59 AM PST

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        •  Nah, they're too busy upholding "freedum" (2+ / 0-)
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          "Onward through the fog!" - Oat Willie

          by rocksout on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 01:27:39 PM PST

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        •  That's rich (0+ / 0-)
          this ought to be based on common sense and adhere to concern for the taxpayer as opposed to ideology —
          He's spouting this rhetoric just as if HE were concerned for the "taxpayer" [read 'citizen.'  read 'human being who, on occasion, gets sick'.]

          But oh no,  no one must ever accuse him of basing his 'argument' on ideology - - - even when he says something as blatant as, " because we don't like Obamacare, therefore we won't take a federal dollar."

          The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men - - Plato . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We must be the change we wish to see in the world - - Mohandas Gandhi

          by twocrows1023 on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 02:37:33 AM PST

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    •  was just thinking the same thing (12+ / 0-)

      Christ's framing is excellent. This point would make a good reply to all the anti-obamacare ads being run by the Koch bros. Just naming the Koch bros as being behind the ads should be an ad!

      It is a great way for all dems to go on offense. I hope they follow his lead.

      Go Wendy!

      Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

      by Sherri in TX on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:23:15 AM PST

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    •  I'm wondering how many people (5+ / 0-)

      the Puke Party is responsible for killing as a result of all their policies, not to mention lives destroyed, dreams ruined and outright betrayals of the nation committed.

      They are a pox on the world and I doubt if any one nation in history has ever turned out more sick, damaged and sociopathic people and put them in power than this poor and benighted country.

      "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world - bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are whores for power and oil with hate and fear in our hearts" - Hunter S. Thompson

      by Dave925 on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:24:16 AM PST

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    •  Wendy Davis, if she wins the governorship of Texas (4+ / 0-)

      will face the same problem as Crist if he wins in Florida.  That is, an overwhelmingly Republican state legislature.  If either of them has coattails at all, it's unlikely they will be long and strong enough for their party to take control  of their respective lege, which will leave them in the same situation - fighting against their own legislature in an effort to expand Medicaid.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:42:03 AM PST

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    •  3000 deaths in Texas (5+ / 0-)

      "Due to its reluctance to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, Texas may see more than 3,000 deaths due to a lack of insurance, according to a new Health Affairs study."

    •  Has anyone published state statistics on this? (2+ / 0-)
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      Crist refers to information from SIEU. I haven't seen it, and I don't have time to research and compile the list myself. The Republican Party members in every state which refuses to pass the Medicaid expansion are guilty of homicide, and the extent of that homicide should be publicized.

      The MSM does not want to address the issue.

      Crist presented it exactly right to have an impact. The statement needs specific (and defensible) numbers attached. His "6 people per day die prematurely" is the way to state it. That would expand to about 11 or 12 per day here in Texas.

      In fact, I'd like to see a spreadsheet-type list showing the numbers of otherwise eligible but presently excluded uninsured individuals in each state (and possibly major metropolitican area like Dalls/Fort Worth, Houston, and maybe South Texas) together with projections of the death rates associated with the policy of refusing to expand Medicaid.

      Of course, I'm sure that Texas does not show up in the per capita statistics as badly as Mississippi does.

      The US Supreme Court has by its actions and rhetoric has ceased to be legitimate. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - over

      by Rick B on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:50:33 AM PST

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    •  there's a million without coverage (1+ / 0-)
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      thanks Rick Perry, so it can be figured on a deaths per X uninsured.

      Thanks Democrats! My Obamacare is permanent coverage no one can take away - and saving $3,000 is nice too

      by sotiredofusernames on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 12:48:27 PM PST

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    •  To DNCC, or Prog Orgs: Make this commercial! (1+ / 0-)
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      I keep wondering where the commercial is that shows the national numbers, and then breaks it down by each state, to support anyone running against a governor or state legislature that isn't doing Medicaid expansion.

      I think a similar ads should be created, and heavily used for national senators or representatives who voted for it to be able to tell their states how much more their state could/should be getting, and one that hammers those who voted against it. House Republicans who keep voting for repeal should have state and national numbers drummed in too!

      I keep waiting for those ads here in Alaska, and am frustrated we aren't see them!

  •  Hmm. (11+ / 0-)

    ... Republicans in the state legislature blocked it, and Scott dropped the issue entirely,...

    Scott is to Florida as Boehner is to the nation.  

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 08:56:06 AM PST

  •  17000 deaths a year (6+ / 0-)

    Scott is a hero to the GOP.

    This is what they work for.

    Legal means "good".
    [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

    by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:05:04 AM PST

  •  And This Is How We Win (17+ / 0-)

    Charlie Crist has hit on an absolutely brilliant attack that needs to be copied immediately and just hammered home in every red state that refused to expand Medicaid.

    Because its absolutely true and easy to understand and the way Democrats take the ACA from being a liability to a winning issue.

    Collect Different Days

    by Homers24 on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:06:32 AM PST

    •  Only one problem (3+ / 0-)
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      There are far too many Americans who, when informed of these horrors will simply welcome them as the price for these peoples' "irresponsibilities" and "they" won't have to pay for these people any more.

      America has always turned out people with some pretty nasty attitudes but now? After 40+ years of right wing agit-prop, people with bad attitudes have morphed into truly hateful individuals and added multitudes to their number. It disgusts me beyond words.

      "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world - bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are whores for power and oil with hate and fear in our hearts" - Hunter S. Thompson

      by Dave925 on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:34:14 AM PST

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      •  You will find that those folks will slink away (2+ / 0-)
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        in time.

        They've been allowed to spout off with very little direct, hardball opposition. When Democrats play hardball, when they directly confront these weasels, when they call them out as unAmerican - the Democrats have a great track record.

        For the last 40 years Democrats have been trying to reason with crazy Republicans. Clinton and Obama are the perfect examples of this approach.

        It doesn't work. It's allowed inequality (class warfare) to flourish.

        Go Charlie! Keep it up.

        Pay attention Democrats - this is how it should be done.

      •  You don't need to convince 100% of voters. (4+ / 0-)
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        You just need to convince 51% of them.

        I agree that there is a good proportion of voters who are hateful and don't want certain types of people to get healthcare. But they're not in the majority. Many polls on "issues" have demonstrated that a majority of americans now see healthcare more as a right than a privilege.

        You just have to find effective ways to counter the republican propaganda. Talking about the tragedy of people dying from lack of healthcare is 1) based on facts and 2) effective.

      •  I've Had The Opposite Experience (2+ / 0-)
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        One of my tactics when arguing with conservative/Republican/Tea Party types about the ACA and our social safety net is to ask them if willing to start allowing men, women, and children to starve and die in the streets. Because without our social safety net that is the only other possibility.

        And I've never found one yet that was willing to say yes they were willing to just start allowing people to die for lack of housing, food, and/or medical care.

        So I think this issue will resonate with many people who don't realize what the real consequences of not expanding Medicaid actually are.

        Collect Different Days

        by Homers24 on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 02:52:43 PM PST

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  •  Impressed with Charlie Crist so far.. (11+ / 0-)

    I know many progressives are suspicious of his conversion to the Democratic side. But I like what I have been hearing so far.

    He channeled his inner Alan Grayson on Chuck Toad's show today. Chuckie was taken aback.

    Rick Scott has to be defeated this time.

    •  Missed this but Chukie's wheels came off his clown (5+ / 0-)

      cycle long ago.

      "No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar." Abraham Lincoln

      by appledown on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:21:04 AM PST

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      •  Doesn't he have an excellent shot against Scott? (2+ / 0-)
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        I know he's a chameleon but I'll take it.  Better half-hearted populism than none at all.

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:23:56 AM PST

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        •  Crist is leading in the latest polls by a small (6+ / 0-)

          margin. not great, but a leads a lead, keep hitting Scott with stuff like this, highlight his pathetic record as governmor, and promise to work to get medicaid expansion through. if you have to get a waiver, so be it as long as the million who are uninsured in FL get coverage. florida is expected to lose 5 billion in 10 years if it does not signup by 2022, not only are you not saving money, you're losing money as a result. Only Texas is expected to lose more money than FL, but i dont know if texas is movable.

          •  And nobody even knows Nan Rich (2+ / 0-)
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            who is running against Crist in the Democratic primary.  He has star power...she's just an honest progressive Democrat who has gotten any publicity to brag about.....Crist is not to be trusted, but he'll win over Rich.....no doubt about it.

            Ignorance is the curse of God; knowledge is the wing wherewith we fly to heaven. William Shakespeare

            by lutznancy on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 10:17:36 AM PST

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        •  Me too. Crist was never a conservative, although (5+ / 0-)
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          he did master the mean rhetoric (Chain gang Charlie) etc. But his record on the environment during his brief stint as governor was excellent.
             His support for an anti-same sex marriage amendment is a strike against him, but most people in Florida assumed that Crist himself is gay, so support for the amendment was probably designed to put that personal issue behind him.

        •  Christ winning Flordia Governorship will be (7+ / 0-)

          huge for Dems in 2016. He can sign executive order to extend early voting.

          Virginia already has Terry McAuliffe. PA will most likely have a Dem Governor again.

          More early voting in FL, VA, PA and less voting shenanigans in general = good news for Hillary.

    •  2008: Christ did his best to HELP people to vote (9+ / 0-)

      That, to me, was a sign that he was not the standard republican.

      He's one of the many who feel the republican party has left him. He's one of the few who has had the courage to call it quits. Yes it could be seen as opportunistic… On the other hand, knowing how Citizen United has given a huge advantage to republicans, he became a democrat anyway.

      Watching him in the last couple of years, I get the sense that he's happier, and is much more free to be himself. Because he's a centrist and a pragmatist. Moreover, I suspect that the more Christ works and talks with influential democrats everywhere, he is becoming more liberal. When you quit the republican bubble, you hear other arguments, and most of all you have discussions based on reality, results, facts, instead of  fear, reality distortion, and wishful thinking. You're immersed in a culture of progress and action instead of a culture of obstruction and negativity.

      He's walking on the same journey as so many republicans, who have quit their party in disgust and have joined the democratic party. And have become more liberal in the process.

      •  Sometimes converts are even fiercer (3+ / 0-)
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        People who convert from a "bad" like smoking, overeating, being a Republican, etc. are often known to be less tolerant of what they have quit than non-converts.  Here Crist is bold enough to lay actual Floridian's deaths  to the tune of 6 per day at Rick Scott's feet without flinching.   I can tell he has lost all patience with the GOP, is not inclined to "play along", because he was part of that bubble for those years and knows what they do to try to bamboozle the people.    

        Crist will be a formidable campaigner, and if he wins Floridians win on the environment, reproductive rights, minimum wage increase, implementation of the ACA, which is good enough for me.

        Perhaps he has also changed his mind on same-sex marriages lately, which would be a bonus.  

         

      •  True, I was once a republican. Nixon cured me! (0+ / 0-)
    •  I'm not suspicious of him (1+ / 0-)
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      jilikins

      But I'm still a bit angry for him splitting the ticket which helped send Marco Rubio to the Senate.

      Crist was always a moderate Republican who started questioning his loyalty to the party when he saw it getting worse. I applaud him for that, and for admitting that the GOP is no longer what it once was for him.

      I think his conversion to the Democratic Party is honest. I just wish he had done it sooner.  I'll do what I can to help send him to Tallahassee for another 4 years.

      What about homeschooling? It's not just for scary religious people anymore.--Buffy the Vampire Slayer

      by Progressive Homeschooler on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 12:25:17 PM PST

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  •  Hit 'em with both barrels (9+ / 0-)

    If the Republicans want to obstruct and destroy, then they should own it completely. Consequences included.

    Remember, the road to victory is paved with big words and professorial arrogance. Passion need not apply.

    by The Lone Apple on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:07:25 AM PST

  •  All Dems gotta do to win (5+ / 0-)

    is tell the truth-backed up with the realities of the people.

    •  They have had that ammunition (2+ / 0-)
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      jilikins, Fredamae

      since 06, but they choose to keep their powder dry for some damned reason.
      They let the GOP rant about death panels all summer without one word from the Dems or the WH refuting it.

      Congress cut SNAP $8 Billion, but increased the farm subsidies which will cost $15 Billion.. In what sane world does that make sense?

      by snoopydawg on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:05:22 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  For me personally (0+ / 0-)

        I certainly notice that trend as well-have called and asked many pols in DC; Why? No answer. I have advised, that imo-they're willing to allow the GOP to succeed while playing the "good cop/bad cop" game for our benefit.
        The longer it goes on...the more they risking their very Own reputations-because more and more people are seeing the realities here. They continue "helping" the GOP-Won't explain Why they Don't come out with the raw truth, and keep passing crappy bills with a bi-partisan effort and always bemoan those "grievous, regretful and harmful" consequences to the people they serve while completely Omitting the facts about Who benefits from these cuts.
        Time to call bullsh!t on the lot of 'em, imo. Enough!

  •  Bold statement backed by facts. I am actually (8+ / 0-)

    excited about Crist's campaign.  He's been making the rounds promoting his book explaining why he switched parties.  He rips Karl Rove a new one and says it was Jeb Bush that made him switch.  He's going to be on Bill Maher tonight so I'll be interested to see what he has to say.

    Funny Stuff at http://www.funnyordie.com/oresmas

    by poopdogcomedy on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:11:01 AM PST

  •  hmm (0+ / 0-)

    "Republicans in the state legislature blocked it"

    How much of a fight did Democrats put up?

    Unless we learn from history, we are condemned to repeat it.

    I think we should do candidate selection in a new way, only selecting people who will speak out to get the Senate leadership to push the Republicans hard in the media

    by GideonAB on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:15:14 AM PST

    •  How about learning when cynicism is appropriate (0+ / 0-)

      The Republicans had a veto proof majority in both houses until Nov. 2012.

      Dems. in 2012 won enough seats to deny them that, but not by much.

      Today the Fl. House of Reps. is split 76/44.

      The Fl. Senate is split 26/14.

      both in favor of Republicans.....

      So while I imagine Dems. definitely wanted to do something, with #s like that they were spectators.

      I'm sure though that the real problem is they just didn't know how to fight back, and are waiting for a sharp one like you to tell them what they need to do ;).

  •  Democrats Sometimes Explain Too Much (7+ / 0-)

    In detail, and get lost in the weeds. This is the message we should be slamming these assholes with EVERY DAY, EVERYWHERE. something very simple and jolting that everyone can understand real-fucking-quick!

    •  I can't rec this enough. (1+ / 0-)
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      Democrats sometimes explain too much in detail, and get lost in the weeds.
      We truly need to make our messages short & sweet. Short soundbites that EVERYone can understand immediately, upon hearing it the first time!!!
  •  step back (5+ / 0-)

    Realize that a state political party is refusing to give medical coverage to citizens that would cost the state nothing at all.  Now realize this was a political decision (obviously not an economic or humanitarian one) that they expect will enhance their standing with the voters.  Either they are delusional--or they know most of their supporters are bigots who want "them" to die.

    Actions speak louder than petitions.

    by melvynny on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:21:47 AM PST

  •  Hope this message-short & sweet-catches on (5+ / 0-)

    and ACA becomes a winner.

    "No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar." Abraham Lincoln

    by appledown on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:22:39 AM PST

  •  Waiting for the bumper sticker (14+ / 0-)

    that says, "Dying to vote Republican? You just might."

  •  At the risk of being contrarian (2+ / 0-)
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    My experience with reactionaries in general and Republicans in particular is this:  they don't give a shit about people dying.  

    Six deaths or six hundred deaths mean nothing to them.  That's because they see the "deaths" as people who really aren't people, not like them anyway.  They're black deaths or brown deaths or gay deaths or some other kind of deaths ... they're not good, old American deaths. They don't really count.

    This is why our rhetoric about saving lives doesn't resonate with them.  They're fine with not saving lives unless the life in question belongs to a fetus.

  •  Obamacare a winner? (2+ / 0-)
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    justintime, jilikins

    The Republicans seem pretty sure that opposing the ACA is a winner for them; that's reportedly behind Boehner's big pullback on immigration the last couple days, wouldn't want to detract from the super successful anti-Obamacare message by mixing in immigration.

    What's interesting is that savvy Democratic politicians are betting the other way. Not only Crist either, this seems to be happening in other states like Wisconsin.

  •  But someone's premium will go up. That's MURDER! (3+ / 0-)
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    Out of no knowledge in particular I will guess a number of people will have their premium go up because of ObamaCare. So brace yourself for the death panel stories because paying more is just like murder.

    When a precious zygote or a chubby wallet is threatened the Republican Party heeds the call.

    The rest of you...die sooner worthless moochers.

    "You know, just because the thing I saw wasn't there doesn't mean there wasn't something there that I didn't see." Ann Althouse, Conservative Thoughtmeister

    by Bill Section 147 on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:36:42 AM PST

  •  Scott is clever. He says that he supported (4+ / 0-)

    Medicaid expansion but, as Crist points out, did nothing to get it passed in the legislature.
      Thus the legislature, which is essentially anonymous and unaccountable, takes the blame.

    •  No, Crist destroys that (2+ / 0-)
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      Yes, it was the legislature, but what Crist said resonates:  "Didn't lift a finger to get it passed" works because it shows Scott as weak and cynical on protecting vulnerable Floridians.  It also works because Scott is generally seen as heartless and uncaring by a majority of Floridians, so this plays right into that meme.  

  •  I'm not, never have been, and probably never (2+ / 0-)
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    will be a fan of Crist but good for him. Just put it out there in stark real terms and make Scott defend it.

  •  It is a good strategy (4+ / 0-)

    Christ has played the "emotion card" in a very huge way here and it will most certainly resonate with the voters.  Good for him.  I am betting it will work in some demographics.

  •  I remember this from one of the 2008 debates (3+ / 0-)
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    MODERATOR: Do you believe that if a person doesn't have insurance we should just allow them to die?

    DEBATE AUDIENCE:  YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

    MCCAIN: [Gives audience dirty look but doesn't say a thing]

  •  Need to put faces with this number (4+ / 0-)

    Personalize this with stories about actual Floridians dying from lack of insurance.

    "The Obama Administration has been an unmitigated disaster" - Osama Bin Laden

    by Explorer8939 on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:45:48 AM PST

  •  Absolutely (3+ / 0-)
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    this should be a campaign issue.  Republicans love to put the Democrats on the defensive with sometimes ridiculous claims.  Let's see how they defend their position with voters when statistics like this show the likely deaths as a direct result of their blocking access to health care.

    'As our area of knowledge expands, so too does our perimeter of ignorance.' - Neil deGrasse Tyson

    by American Expat on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:50:17 AM PST

  •  charlie crist (3+ / 0-)
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    if the citizens of fla have anything to do with it they can cause the political death of rick scott in nov of this year, now that's a death worth celebrating.

    save america defeat all republicans and conservatives

  •  Republican politicians are murderers. Pass it (3+ / 0-)
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    live1, justintime, jilikins

    along.

  •  The benefits to me from ACA suck,IMHO, but what (1+ / 0-)
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    REALLY pisses me off is that my low/non- income girlfriend is getting screwed big time!

    I'll be hoping charlie gets in so she can get covered under ACA

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    by surfdog on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 10:12:15 AM PST

  •  This is the result of the DeLay era gerrymander (2+ / 0-)
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    Creating so many entrenched congressional districts means that the representatives are beholden only to their own parties constituents.  Over the last decades this has caused an incredible division of policy positions with the inevitable effect of decline for those not in the top few percent.  "Fortunately" it seems that enough on the right are starting to recognize the cost of their blind obedience that we might be looking at regime change.  Especially, as a wierd effect, that the elderly are also negatively effected (shortened lives even with Medicare) and the older you are today the more likely you're a Republican.

    Self destruction at it's ugliest...

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    by Memory Corrupted on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 10:12:29 AM PST

  •  Crist just delivered the type of statement (2+ / 0-)
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    that puts Scott on the defensive.  I like it. It also has the virtue of being true in a broad sense - every day of delay in expanding medicaid means that people who need help can't get it.

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    by khyber900 on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 10:15:56 AM PST

  •  About time (1+ / 0-)
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    This is just a fact, and the D's should start now and not let it go until it sinks in.  People will die because of governors like Scott and that moron in Texas.

  •  Is it his fault? (1+ / 0-)
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    He supported expansion, but the legislature didn't accept it. True, he could have pushed further, but there is no guarantee that this will pass if Crist becomes governor.

    •  Coalitions (2+ / 0-)
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      Scott could have worked harder to form coalitions and strike some kind of deal to get the votes. It seems clear that he didn't care enough about the citizens of his state to make that effort.

    •  The short answer to your question is yes. (0+ / 0-)

      He managed to have it both ways.  Typical Scott behavior.

      He said he was in favor of it but did nothing to make it happen.  So he made a [pretty simple] majority happy before the election and the t-p-ers happy after.  Imnsho, that was his plan all along.  It's just how he rolls.

      What else should we expect from someone who has been convicted of Medicare fraud?

      The blessing and curse of a democratic republic: we get exactly the government we deserve. For instance, I voted for Alex Sink but I should have worked harder to see that she got elected.

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      by twocrows1023 on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 03:16:18 AM PST

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  •  Maybe the problem is (1+ / 0-)
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    Republicans are denying women a right to an abortion.  The poor and middle class women who can not just pay for it out of pocket are back to the odd backroom office with a wire coat hanger and a prayer they are not killed.

    I now realize in order for the Right to keep women, especially poor and middle class from getting the back room abortions the righteous Republicans are taking the wire coat hangers away and giving themselves a lobotomy.

  •  My son would benefit from Medicaid expansion. (0+ / 0-)

    In Florida, if you are single, a male with no children you are caring for, you can't get medicaid.  He is in that catagory and his life is in peril from untreated diabeties amoung other things. He is 38, unemployed, looking for work, but hasn't found anything yet.  He really needs medical care, but going to an emergency room won't do it.  They don't provide medicines or test strips or meters.  Plus they will send him a bill he can't pay.  He also has depresion that is not being treated.  He truely is at risk of dying without an expansion of medicaid. There are a lot just like him.  

    •  Where does your son live? (0+ / 0-)

      Jfwiw, Clearwater has a free clinic that DOES provide free meters and test strips and medication.  I imagine there are other clinics that do the same.

      I'm so sorry he's suffering this way.  Please do urge him to check and see if there's a clinic in his area.  The one in Clearwater does good work.

      The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men - - Plato . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We must be the change we wish to see in the world - - Mohandas Gandhi

      by twocrows1023 on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 03:05:35 AM PST

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  •  Analysists??? (0+ / 0-)

    new word?

  •  Its disturbing that any (0+ / 0-)

    Senator or Governor would opt out of expanding medicaid..they opt out, knowing there is a way to help the very people who elected them, gave them their jobs, give them raises, pay their salaries, pay their lifetime of top notch medical coverage...you know..everything they deny us of... aint that a boot in the butt!! Its now their fault that people have NO choice but to go without coverage, its as though they dont matter...wtf? Are these politicians proud of themselves, is this what they consider an achievement?
    The only people the residence of FLorida, and other states that throw their people to the curb, have to blame are themselves.. they voted these disgusting parasites into office.

  •  Tell me again how pro-life the GOTP is. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Take a look! (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm a life long Democrat.  Rick Scott in my opinion is so far beneath contempt that if I compared him to a used condom I'd be too kind.  Yet I look at Charlie Crist and ask myself; would I buy a used car from that man?   Brrr  I feel sorry for Floridians who have to chose between Scott, who is little better than a human maggot and Crist who really does look like a sleazy used car salesman.  I guess if I had to chose I'd vote for Crist.  Crist reminds me of another sleazeball politician from Chicago....

    •  A lot like him, yes. (0+ / 0-)

      But I do think Crist is smarter than Blagojevich - - which could work to our detriment, actually.  

      If Crist doesn't get embroiled in a provable crime but still governs as I fear he would, we could be worse off than if he got convicted of pure stupidity.

      The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men - - Plato . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We must be the change we wish to see in the world - - Mohandas Gandhi

      by twocrows1023 on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 03:22:58 AM PST

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  •  While Crist makes very good points (0+ / 0-)

    and certainly should hang this boondoggle around Scott's neck every chance he gets, I'm sincerely hoping we Floridians get another candidate we can vote for.  

    You know, someone we don't have to hold our noses with one hand while pulling the lever with the other.

    I, for one, want a Democrat.  Not a Tea Partier, certainly, and not someone who became a Democrat when his own party became too hot to handle.  

    So Crist is on the right side of health care for people.  Great.  Whether he considers women to be people is up for debate, however.  When he says he would only allow abortion if the woman's life is at risk, he's not protecting her health.  

    Of course, if you don't like his stance on abortion, you can always just wait till the next election cycle.  It will likely have changed by then - - depending on the prevailing winds during that year.
    That has certainly been his "stance" so far.

    The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men - - Plato . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We must be the change we wish to see in the world - - Mohandas Gandhi

    by twocrows1023 on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 02:57:50 AM PST

  •  I just left a job recently to go back to my old (0+ / 0-)

    boss in Miami.  One of my parting shots with the old job while I had everyone's attention the day I left was to make sure that they VOTE during the Midterms.  Educating everyone out there in a wide South FL vicinity is my goal to get them to vote out of Office, Rick Scott.   For me, these Midterms are going to be priceless.

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