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But they aren't homophobic or anything.

Sam, a University of Missouri defensive end who came out on Sunday night, will drop in the draft, according to Sports Illustrated. The magazine spoke to eight NFL executives, all of whom said Sam’s announcement will drop him in May’s draft.

“I don’t think football is ready for [an openly gay player] just yet,” an NFL player personnel assistant told Sports Illustrated. “In the coming decade or two, it’s going to be acceptable, but at this point in time it’s still a man’s-man game. To call somebody a (gay slur) is still so commonplace. It’d chemically imbalance an NFL locker room and meeting room.”

Really? Because your culture is glaringly misogynistic and homophobic you will reinforce that by marginalizing someone with the intestinal fortitude to come out in a violent sport.

And you are so confident in your right to treat him as a second class citizen that you announce it in the news.

Originally posted to Angry Gays on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 06:27 AM PST.

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  •  It would "chemically imbalance" the locker room? (11+ / 0-)

    It sounds like having an openly gay player is substance abuse!

    "If you tell the truth, you won't have to remember anything", Mark Twain

    by Cruzankenny on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 06:31:57 AM PST

  •  Snort. (14+ / 0-)

    Many players have openly said they know about closeted fellow members and it doesn't affect the 'chemistry of the locker room.'  I'm surprised they didn't trot out that crapola about him being a 'distraction'.  

    Maybe they should actually learn something from the Army and Marines.  Amazingly enough, they military has survived having openly gay members of various units without a drop in 'morale' or a change in 'chemistry'.  But then, I guess football players are just so much more 'man's men' than marines.

  •  They're not confident; they're cowards. (16+ / 0-)
    And you are so confident in your right to treat him as a second class citizen that you announce it in the news.
    If they were confident, they would have put their names to their comments, owned up to what they said, and taken the heat for their words.

    Instead, they chose the coward's path and hid behind anonymity as they spouted their bigotry.

    "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

    by JamesGG on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 06:36:39 AM PST

  •  Saying that the NFL will pay him LESS is an over- (5+ / 0-)

    statement.  If he really is talented enough for the NFL (and that will be apparent to all NFL teams at the combine), then he will be drafted where he should be.  Most NFL teams need good defensive players.  After a few years in the NFL, if he proves his worth, he will be paid what he should be.    Washed-up award-winning college players are a dime a dozen.  

    "In 20 years, the GOP will be small enough to drown in a bathtub." - me

    by estamm on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 06:41:36 AM PST

    •  Reading comprehension fail (5+ / 0-)

      They said they will pay him less then listed excuses why all related to his Gayness.

      •  I don't think estamm is wrong (0+ / 0-)

        The article suggests that Sam's stock will drop on draft day which will lower his salary (NFL pays rookies based on where they're drafted).  But your headline suggests that the NFL will pay him less for being gay.  Which is not quite right.  Might be an argument of semantics but your headline could have been better and more accurate.

        •  It isn't inaccurate, it is logical (4+ / 0-)

          Draft position determines a rookie's salary. The quotes anonymous coward along with others that are being cowards by being quoted anonymously are saying his draft stock stock will drop from the mid rounds to the late rounds because he's come out as gay, ergo, because his salary is tied to his draft position, his salary is being reduced because he's gay.

          "Lesbian and gay people are a permanent part of the American workforce, who currently have no protection from the arbitrary abuse of their rights on the job." --Coretta Scott King

          by craigkg on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 08:42:11 AM PST

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          •  I think this is a "both are right" situation. (5+ / 0-)

            You and Mr. Boothroyd are right in writing that if Mr. Sam's draft stock drops because he's gay, he'll be paid less than he would be paid if he were drafted in a higher position—and in that way, being gay will affect his pay.

            estamm is also right in writing that Mr. Sam's sexual orientation won't affect how much he's paid based on his draft position; in other words, a straight player drafted in the same position would get the same amount of money.

            That said, I do think it's useful to differentiate here between the discrimination we might see on draft day, and the kind of pay discrimination where an LGBT person gets paid less than a non-LGBT person in exactly the same situation—if only because the latter would be much more clearly actionable under a national ENDA than the former, and could be used to advocate for such.

            "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

            by JamesGG on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 09:13:56 AM PST

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          •  that's right and it's worth (3+ / 0-)
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            spelling out in the diary.  At least it sets salary for the first 3 years of the deal.   At the same time, it means some other player is getting the windfall of being picked in the third not the fourth round, not the team owner.  There's no net benefit to any given team owner.

            Midround projections are notoriously difficult to project, especially for a player who may have to change positions or put on weight.  I also think Sam will make up for it with endorsement deals or so forth.

            I want my team (the Eagles) to take him - we play a 3-4 where he'd be good, and he is both a beast on the field and a leader off it.  They have other needs that need addressing in the first two rounds, though, and if Sam's the 9th or 10th rated defensive end, and number 6 is available for some reason, it'd be a tough call.

            Peter King's piece aggregating anonymous quotations from NFL GMs excludeds the Eagles, I think, because elsewhere he cited Philadelphia as a possible good landing spot since it has a liberal owner.  We also survived alleged "distractions" from bringing in Michael Vick to the Riley Cooper to make the playoffs.   I look forward to beating the teams led by the coward GMS next year.

            Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

            by Loge on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 09:21:10 AM PST

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            •  Him going to Philly would worry me. (0+ / 0-)
              Peter King's piece aggregating anonymous quotations from NFL GMs excludeds the Eagles, I think, because elsewhere he cited Philadelphia as a possible good landing spot since it has a liberal owner.  We also survived alleged "distractions" from bringing in Michael Vick to the Riley Cooper to make the playoffs.
              I'd be a bit worried about him if he went to Philly... just because I can only imagine the kind of abuse that Philly's fans would deal him, particularly if he doesn't perform very well on the field. Yes, many of the "Philadelphia fans are worse than English soccer hooligans" stories (such as the "throwing snowballs at Santa Claus" story) are overblown, but it's hard to deny that when they turn on someone, they don't hold anything back as far as invective goes.

              Given that Seattle has what by all appearances is a really strong team dynamic particularly on defense, is coming off a Super Bowl victory, and has a head coach who's used to dealing with controversial situations (at USC), I wonder if Sam might not be a good fit there.

              "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

              by JamesGG on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 10:05:42 AM PST

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              •  Yes, but they also fiercely love (1+ / 0-)
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                the guys who come to play and play hard, and even they guys they (we) rip, well, we're the only ones allowed to do that.  Just because we boo a guy, if a Dallas fan says he sucks, we mess up the Dallas fan.   If he sucks but tries hard, and chips in on special teams, he'll be fine.   Are Eagles fans any worse than Jets or Giants fans?  Come on.  Besides, if a good chunk of the rest of the league hates our guy -- nothing makes us happier.

                I thought about Seattle, but I'm just not sure where he fits in that defense schematically.  

                I worry that Miami or Minnesota might draft him for PR, without the leadership or system in place to make his transition easier.

                Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

                by Loge on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 10:26:26 AM PST

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              •  Gotta disagree (1+ / 0-)
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                After the first time he takes off an opposing QB's head (especially if it has a star on it) there will guys in the strands at the Linc with his number on waving rainbow flags.

                Lenin Cat says "In soviet Russia Cat chases Dog"

                by DanceHallKing on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 11:39:11 AM PST

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  •  That is a gross mischaracterization (3+ / 0-)

    He will be paid EXACTLY what he's worth relative to his draft pick, just like every other athlete will be paid in accordance with THEIR draft pick.

    This is an important story and the young man deserves credit for what he's doing and the NFL should know they are in the spotlight about how they will respond.

    But don't twist the facts to try and gin up an attention-grabbing headline.  It only demeans a legitimate development.

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 07:07:47 AM PST

    •  I agree. (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm going to do a little research on him before the draft and see where he was expected to go and where he ends up being drafted.

      There are quite a few Defensive Line needy teams this year, he may not end up dropping too far if he's got a high floor or ceiling to his abilities.

      •  SKF - in this diary yesterday there was lots (1+ / 0-)
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        of discussion about his draft status before the announcement. I looked at five mock drafts and the highest was at the very end of the second round, with most being late third or somewhere in the fourth. This is all pre-combine where I think Sam's 40 time will be a very big deal. He is undersized for a 3-4 defensive end and has not shown an ability to cover in space, which would be needed for an outside linebacker.  He is the ninth or tenth defense end on most draft boards. Here is a link to the diary yesterday with nearly 100 comments.

        http://www.dailykos.com/...

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 11:01:52 AM PST

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        •  Thanks. (1+ / 0-)
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          His might be a tough case to analyze in this instance.  His skillset may not transfer well to the the bigger faster NFL.

          •  SKF - I think it makes analyzing him for the draft (0+ / 0-)

            difficult. However, he was the SEC Defensive Player of the Year and a consensus first team All-American so the young man can play. There are coaches and teams who focus on 40 times and vertical jump and there are coaches and teams who think good football players bring more than 40 times and leaping ability to the game. They focus more on character, football IQ, coachability and desire and Sam seems to have those qualities. He will have his shot in the NFL and I wish him the very best. He is a pioneer.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 04:11:55 PM PST

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      •  I heard he was the 9th ranked (2+ / 0-)
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        defensive end, though a bit undersized for the NFL so it was thought he could move to outside linebacker (OLB). Would probably put him at mid to low 3rd rounder. There are probably plenty of teams that could use help on defense (like the current AFC champions) that might pass him up -- but there are others that would take him on regardless of his stated sexual preference.

        He had a rough Senior Bowl, I've heard, but if he performs well in the upcoming combine he should be just fine. And if he outperforms other draftees on the field someday fans will be screaming, "Why didn't you draft this dude?" at their teams -- heck, Tom Brady was a 6th rounder and look how he turned out; he might have had to wait a bit but he got his payday down the road.

        There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

        by Cali Scribe on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 11:31:17 AM PST

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    •  I might be wrong.... (2+ / 0-)
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      but it was my understanding that in the last union/league contract, rookie contracts were set depending on where you were drafted to avoid holdouts and such.

      He might be drafted lower, but once he is drafted, he will be paid on a set scale relative to when he is drafted.

      No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.

      by Magster on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 07:55:58 AM PST

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      •  ... (3+ / 0-)
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        He might be drafted lower, but once he is drafted, he will be paid on a set scale relative to when he is drafted.
        Which means, if his announcement leads to him being dropped to a lower spot in the draft, that he WILL be paid less.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 08:00:44 AM PST

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        •  Right. (2+ / 0-)
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          I'm just clarifying that it won't be a negotiation based screw-job.

          No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.

          by Magster on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 08:12:18 AM PST

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        •  But how would you possibly prove that? (2+ / 0-)
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          There are also a lot of questions about this young man's abilities and size, which are things that every aspiring NFL player is judged on.

          His stats are padded because he racked up most of them against the very worst teams in his collegiate division so its up to scouts to really look at his game to try and discern how he might perform against NFL-level talent.

          He also only weighs-in around 260lbs, which is about 30lbs less then top-level players in his same position.  And in a environment where we're talking about human beings with dedicated strength and conditioning trainers and custom-tailored workout regimens, 30lbs is a BIG DEAL.

          I dont know... I really hope this doesn't turn into some kind of Tim Tebow thing where a talented young athlete ultimately doesn't measure up to a higher level of professional standards and people rush to judgement that the decision is purely prejudicial or persecutorial.

          Tim Tebow was an AMAZING college player that did not have a kind of talent that would excel in the NFL, but his supporters will SWEAR he was ostracized because of his public Christianity.  

          ..this always seems so strange, since we also blame the NFL for overlooking ANYTHING a player does just because they are talented at a game.  Drugs, Domestic Abuse, Violent Crime, Hate Speech, Gun Charges...whatever... teams will draft and re-sign them as long as they help them win.  Yet when they decide players ARENT good enough then there must be some nefarious reason why they are singling people out.

          Just doesn't seem like something that works both ways.

          Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

          by Wisper on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 08:32:42 AM PST

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          •  Wisper - off topic but I think Teabow could be (0+ / 0-)

            an exceptional H back, the type of player that Delanie Walker was for the 49ers. Walker is being paid almost $5 million a year by the Titans. I really don't know why he doesn't make the switch. He is an exceptional athlete with NFL level talent, just not at QB.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 09:19:27 AM PST

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          •  the point isn't that he has a lawsuit (1+ / 0-)
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            it's that the NFL teams are admitting he'd fall in the draft for a reason most of us consider improper.   All those concerns about his size aside, he was thought of as 3rd or 4th round talent -- there's game performance and leadership on the other side of the ledger, and he has above-average speed.  I see him as an edge rusher in a 3-4, or a gunner on special teams.  

            What if he were the same size and an NFL GM said he thought drafting a Muslim would be a distraction and he'd fall in the draft?   And for what it's worth, players with off field incidents DO fall in the draft.  Dez Bryant should have been picked sooner, except he had a minor recruiting violation and the GM of the Dolphins (remember them?) kept asking inappropriate questions about Bryant's MOTHER.  

            All things being equal, these GMs are trying to make excuses for their own prejudices by shifting the blame to other people.  If someone in a locker room has a problem with a gay teammate, it's player A's fault.

            Tebow also went in the first round  . . . that's good for a laugh.

            Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

            by Loge on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 09:29:33 AM PST

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            •  From what I've read.... (1+ / 0-)
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              If he isn't drafted by the end of the 3rd round, it's pretty clear that he's being discriminated against.

              That said, he will get drafted and he will be an NFL player by all accounts, and he may very well be quite good at his job.

              No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.

              by Magster on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 10:05:20 AM PST

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              •  I think at minimum, (1+ / 0-)
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                we won't know where he "should" be drafted until after the NFL combine.  His size is an issue, but some teams want more speed in a pass rusher they, others want more of a big dude.   What's unknown also is whether he'll be able to drop into pass coverage, as some teams like to have their edge rushers do.

                He is the SEC DPOY and the leader of a team that overachieved expectations, so yeah, he'll find a place.  

                Manti Te'o was supposed to fall because of a big distraction - and he just went down maybe 15 spots.  I'd rather have a gay guy on my team than someone milking sympathy out of a fake dead Internet girlfriend.

                Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

                by Loge on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 10:19:45 AM PST

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          •  Awesome post (0+ / 0-)

            This is just spot on:

            ..this always seems so strange, since we also blame the NFL for overlooking ANYTHING a player does just because they are talented at a game.  Drugs, Domestic Abuse, Violent Crime, Hate Speech, Gun Charges...whatever... teams will draft and re-sign them as long as they help them win.  Yet when they decide players ARENT good enough then there must be some nefarious reason why they are singling people out.

            Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

            by lostboyjim on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 10:16:15 AM PST

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    •  No it isn't (1+ / 0-)
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      When people connected with the teams themselves are anonymously giving blind quotes that his draft stock will fall because of this announcement that he is gay, by virtue of being drafted lower than he otherwise would have been lowers his initial salary.

      "Lesbian and gay people are a permanent part of the American workforce, who currently have no protection from the arbitrary abuse of their rights on the job." --Coretta Scott King

      by craigkg on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 08:45:11 AM PST

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    •  if he drops in the draft for illegitimate reasons, (1+ / 0-)
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      he makes the money as 6th round or UFA talent, when he's maybe 3rd or 4th round talent.  There are financial ramifications for him to fall in the draft, but not to the teams as a whole, since they're drafting someone else in that position, and presumably overpaying.  

      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 09:22:07 AM PST

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      •  I think that affects the team too: (0+ / 0-)
        There are financial ramifications for him to fall in the draft, but not to the teams as a whole, since they're drafting someone else in that position, and presumably overpaying.  
        Overpaying someone else with less talent certainly DOES affect the team as a whole....

        Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

        by lostboyjim on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 10:18:03 AM PST

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        •  it's still a wash to the team who drafts him (1+ / 0-)
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          in the later rounds (for sake of this exercise), because they get the windfall of underpaying Sam, and the  deadweight loss of overpaying the other dude.  I guess other teams who pass on him wind up paying more for each guy who gets bumped higher, but not every team values each player the same, and if Sam is "underpaid," it's by the team who in fact pays him.

          The comments from the GMs are cowardly on several levels -- cowardly for anonymity, cowardly for blaming their prejudices on other people's reactions, but it only takes one team to draft him.

          Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

          by Loge on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 10:40:07 AM PST

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  •  The players are probably (5+ / 0-)

    Far ahead of management in this issue solely based on age.  When they say the NFL "is not ready" for a gay player they really mean the owners and GM's are not ready.

    I think the players, for the most part, really could not care less.

  •  Homophobia might not be the only reason either (4+ / 0-)

    About an hour ago, I was reading the SAME SI story and I think you should consider this:

    Before his announcement, Sam had already emerged as a divisive prospect. Some look at his SEC-best 11.5 sacks and 19 tackles for loss and see a high-motor pass rusher who could go as high as the third round. Others see Sam, who is 6-foot-2 and 260 pounds, as an undersized defensive end without a true position in the NFL. Of his 11.5 sacks, nine came in three games against what one scout called "garbage competition" -- Vanderbilt, Arkansas State and Florida. "His numbers are inflated," a scout said. "You've got to see through that."
    That may be accurate, but it might also be a cover for the NFL's institutional homophobia. The dig about the teams was kind of bogus. Vanderbilt went 9-4 and Arkansas State won the Sun Belt Conference and finished 8-5. Florida had an off year, going 4-8, but they started 4-1 before losing their last seven games. Perhaps these nameless NFL executives could explain how dominating two teams that went to bowl games and a third which has previously won several national championship constitutes garbage competition.

    Should Sam fall enough in the draft that no one takes him, it might perversely be a better opportunity than being say a 6th or 7th round draft pick. As a free agent, he might end up  signing with a team that REALLY wants him rather than having to settle for playing for a homophobic team in a homophobic city.

    •  Record isn't a great indicator of competition (0+ / 0-)

      This is completely off topic and not about Mr. Sam.  But Vanderbilt isn't Auburn or Alabama.  Heck, the Golden Gophers won 8 games this year. They aren't good teams.  Gino Torreta won a heisman award and fell to the 7th round.  Dominating college football doesn't promise NFL success.  I don't think the cracks at Vandy, Florida and Ark St are trying to create excuses - I think many NFL scouts feel that way about 2nd and 3rd tier college programs.  

    •  I don't think anyone's saying he's the next (1+ / 0-)
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      Bruce Smith, but all it takes is one team to pick him, and someone of his skill might go in the third round if a team is worried other teams might nab him later, or might pick him in the fourth if he doesn't.  I think he goes maybe 4th round to a decent team that plays a 3-4, since depth at edge rusher is important in that formation.  The first two rounds are for guys who can step in and start right away, and he's not that.  Looking over that list, I think the teams that make the most sense are Philly, Baltimore, and San Fran.  Other 3-4 teams are either in more conservative cities or have more glaring needs where they need to find guys to start right away in the later rounds.   (http://en.wikipedia.org/...)

      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 09:36:00 AM PST

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  •  To be fair... (3+ / 0-)

    Sam is going to face discrimination, both in the locker room, on the playing field, in the media, and God only knows where else.  Oh, right.  Fox News.  Can't forget them.

    It might be that Sam (who seems like a pretty bright guy) is going to say "Fuck it" after one or two seasons because he doesn't need that kind of shit in his life.  While I hope that he has a long and successful pro career, I certainly wouldn't blame him if he bolted the NFL.

    From a strictly financial point of view, a team might be less likely to pay a large signing bonus to a guy who might not be around a long time.

    Just saying...

    •  Jeff, if he ends up on the right team (2+ / 0-)
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      he should do fine and be supported by the management, coaching staff and teammates. That's why I think coming out before the draft was important.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 09:21:26 AM PST

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      •  I think you're 100% correct (2+ / 0-)
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        And it should be pointed out that Sam came out to his Mizzou teammates prior to this season, and there were no issues in their locker room (at least none that made it into the newspapers).

        I hope there IS a team out there that is open-minded (and let's face it -- WANTS TO WIN) enough to draft the player and not give two shits about who he sleeps with.

        •  That may in fact be a strong positive (2+ / 0-)
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          The fact that his teammates knew, and it wasn't a big deal, is going to imply that he isn't going to use this as a platform (read, "distraction from play").

          If he doesn't try to blow this up now, then it can be interpreted as, "Making sure I'm drafted by a good fit" which some teams may see a a pretty decent thing to do.  YMMV.

          Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

          by lostboyjim on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 10:21:25 AM PST

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  •  Let's see them try to "under pay" him (8+ / 0-)

    I've been a "draftnik" for a couple of decades now. I schedule time to watch most of the Combine in Indianapolis every year.

    One thing I have learned watching this process: All it takes is one team to really want you - whether it's your skill set, your "measurables", your potential, or your intangibles - to boost your draft status. And there are 32 separate valuations being formed as to Sam's worth as a player in relation to roster needs and team philosophy or identity.

    So, yes you should be upset at that obtuse statement, but it won't impact what probably 20 teams think of Sam's worth when all is said and done on Draft weekend.

    Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 07:21:43 AM PST

    •  NFL Network ratings (1+ / 0-)
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      for Combine coverage might see a slight increase this year by the curiosity seekers -- I'm sure they'd like that. I might even tune in while focusing on Spring Training especially since the NHL is dark till after the Olympics. (Just checked the official combine schedule and defensive linemen/linebackers are scheduled for 2/24; that would be the day to tune in.)

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      by Cali Scribe on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 11:39:55 AM PST

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  •  Source? (1+ / 0-)
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    I'd love to read the entire article, but I'm not seeing a source listed nor a link.

    TY.

  •  I wouldn't be surprised, but not why you think. (1+ / 0-)
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    Coming from a Patriots fan, I see someone like coach Belichick weighing a couple factors... how versatile is he, can he help the team now or in the near future, and how much of a distraction would he be as far as the media circus. The latter could push his value down a bit, resulting in a lower draft pick and less initial pay.

    Look at Tim Tebow, he got a very realistic shot in N.E. for a bargain price (NE perspective), and the media circus was shut down completely. If he could have helped the team he'd still be a Patriot, and if he proved to be a distraction he'd have been gone long before he was cut.

    Now... not all coaches/teams are the same, but this is how I  see it. If Belichick thinks he's the best player left in the draft that can help the team, he'll get a shot. If their needs are different, he won't. If he does and allows himself to be a distraction, he'll be gone. He'd be drafted to do his job, period. He'd be there not to be an openly gay football player, but a football player. Nothing more, nothing less.

  •  Funny how the fact is that he told his fellow (6+ / 0-)

    team mates that he was Gay a year ago, and they support him to this day.  Even his college friends have stated their support for him.

    Whose the big "wuss" in the room now?

    The small minded, head up their butts, homophobic NFL.

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    by LamontCranston on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 08:23:11 AM PST

  •  There were two diaries on this topic yesterday (4+ / 0-)
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    with lots of good discussion, including some thoughtful analysis about Michael Sam's prospect as an NFL player. The diary linked below had nearly 100 comments. The consensus was that Sam was projected as a 3/4 round pick before his announcement, and could slide a little but will be drafted.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 08:51:39 AM PST

    •  I tried to look at which teams might (1+ / 0-)
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      be interested -- i think you'd want a team that runs a 3-4, has organizational stability (such they wouldn't be swayed by this "distractions" garbage), plays in a fairly liberal city (such that they would see marketing benefits from being the team to have the first openly gay player - it's a matter of dregrees of upside, not that other fanbases would revolt), and has to have a coach who wants him.  That's the unknown.  Anyway, I think the likeliest candidates are the Eagles, Niners, and Ravens.  

      So, to contradict myself entirely, a team could let him drop further knowing the market for him might be somewhat soft.  If you value him at round 3 but think he'll be there at round 6, doesn't it make the most sense to take him at round 5?  Kind of screws him.  

      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 09:43:46 AM PST

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  •  To this anonymous coward giving the quote... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...in the artlice saying "but at this point in time it’s still a man’s-man game."

    Well then, Michael Sam should do just fine because he will be some man's man if he isn't already whereas presumably most NFL players are a woman's man.Yeah, I know what he meant by that, but that only proves the anonymous coward is a homophobe that doesn't think a gay man can play that the level of the NFL.

    "Lesbian and gay people are a permanent part of the American workforce, who currently have no protection from the arbitrary abuse of their rights on the job." --Coretta Scott King

    by craigkg on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 08:55:44 AM PST

  •  NFL player personnel assistant (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not really going to worry too much about what an "NFL player personnel assistant told Sports Illustrated".

    Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

    by lostboyjim on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 10:12:34 AM PST

  •  NFL imbalance caused by too much ibogaine (0+ / 0-)

    {facepalm}

    Fight them to the end, until the children of the poor eat better than the dogs of the rich.

    by raincrow on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 11:02:32 AM PST

  •  "an NFL player personnel assistant told Sports (0+ / 0-)

    Illustrated"

    Really?  a personnel assistant's fucking opinion is NEWS?

    a personnel assistant gets to decide what the fucking PLAYERS are ready for?

    Really?

    Someone in personnel???????

    Players, do you really want Toby Flenderson deciding who you "play with" ????


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    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Mon Feb 10, 2014 at 11:08:20 AM PST

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