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That's an ad in response to the Koch brothers and the record-breaking amount of money the've already spent against Democratic Sen. Kay Hagan in North Carolina and a handful of other Democrats.

The Kochs have focused their negative advertising almost entirely on the Democrats' support for Obamacare, and insist that repealing Obamacare is still priority number one.

Now some Democrats and aligned groups are fighting back, and using Obamcare to do it. In North Carolina, Patriot Majority PAC is running the above ad. While it doesn't talk directly about Obamacare, it points out all the things that the law has done that Hagan's opponent, House Rep. Thom Tillis, would end through repeal, including the ban on pre-existing conditions, mammograms without copays, and the savings seniors have received for prescription drugs. Patriot Majority has put $500,000 behind this ad, a drop in the bucket to what the Kochs have spent so far, but a good start.

Here's another example that House Majority Pac is running to support Rep. Joe Garcia in Florida, who's also a Koch brothers target:

This one talks about fixing Obamacare, acknowledging the disastrous rollout of, but ends on the high note: holding insurance companies accountable, ending the ban on pre-existing conditions, preventing them from dropping you when you get sick—all those positive things the law does that people really like. These are the things that the public has always supported, even when they don't know that Obamacare does it. It's smart politics for Democrats to remind voters that Republicans want all this to go away, even if they do it without reminding people that the Obamacare they think they hate is why they have these great new protections.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 10:26 AM PST.

Also republished by North Carolina BLUE and Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (41+ / 0-)

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

    by Joan McCarter on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 10:26:58 AM PST

  •  Where's the DEA? Koch and Crank everywhere! /nt (6+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 10:28:27 AM PST

    •  The Ad Running in North Carolina (1+ / 0-)
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      needs to run in every state where a Democratic Senator is running for re-election and is states like Georgia and Kentucky, where our Democratic candidates have a good shot at picking up a Republican seat.  

      It's a good thing to remind people in these states who now have health insurance as a result of the ACA, that folks like Congressman Thom Tillis in North Carolina and Mitch McConnell in Kentucky, want to take it away.

      North Carolina has had over 110,000 people sign up for insurance on ACA and in Kentucky, we are up over 35,000.  The votes of these individuals could be significant in these elections in both states that should be close.

      "The quote on the Statue of Liberty doesn't say 'give me your english-speaking only, Christian-believing, heterosexual masses'

      by unapologeticliberal777 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 at 07:44:00 AM PST

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      •  Run in every Southern State (1+ / 0-)
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        It's about time the Democrats start to fight back. For too long they have let the Koch Brothers and other right wing fanatical Republican liars, like FAUX, drive the agenda. This is a good ad, run it all over America.

  •  How about DSCC? You'd think NC would be very high (2+ / 0-)
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    Mr MadAsHell, diggerspop

    on their list (with Alaska and Louisiana) to hold. And Alaska is a pretty cheap media market.

  •  samson koch's hair is talk radio, which is free (4+ / 0-)
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    Mr MadAsHell, diggerspop, orlbucfan, lyta

    dems can pump money into countering TV ads and print media and internet to try to counter the koch barrages but the talk radio work is practically free for them and does the groundwork repetition that's the basis for all those ads.

    dems could be a lot more effective if they finally did something to monitor and challenge talk radio.

    north carolina is one place where challenging talk radio would be easy- 8 UNC tarheel stations are limbaugh/koch stations,

    the process (protests, whatever) of getting UNC to declare they won't renew their licensing  contracts/endorsement of those stations and will look for apolitical alts, whenever that is, will scare the crap out of those stations and their advertisers and will start a dialogue about the lies racism and partisanship of those stations and the validity/certainty of the content and their lying blowhards and the billionaires they represent..

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 11:31:16 AM PST

    •  I decided to check out the list. So the first (1+ / 0-)
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      one with a mission statement was U Arkansas.  This is something I found about their view of climate change

      The management of atmospheric carbon increasingly appears to be the defining issue of our times. Probably more than any other issue on the horizon, our success in managing this challenge will define the quality of life for future generations. Even the favored term climate change seems inadequate to conveying the immensity of the emerging problem. We’re witnessing the unfolding of a climate crisis, and urgent action will be needed to successfully address the problems that now seem imminent.
      Their headbangers might advert with the blimp but at least they have real science (their physics site hates limbaugh).  
      PS.  No excuses to advertise, I was just glad to see they have, at a minimum, internal strong reactions to nonscience propaganda. The quote was from the Chancellor.

      The ground for taking ignorance to be restrictive of freedom is that it causes people to make choices which they would not have made if they had seen what the realization of their choices involved. A.J. Ayer, Sir. "The Concept of Freedom "

      by Memory Corrupted on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 01:00:53 PM PST

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  •  one of the things that scares the kochs and their (4+ / 0-)
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    'ilk' about the ACA is that it accelerates the regulation and reregulation of their health-threatening business interests as a result of prioritizing cost saving preventive health care as opposed to drug-friendly health care.

    right? i don't see that point much but it might be useful.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 11:35:42 AM PST

  •  Kochs (2+ / 0-)
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    When you call catastrophe like Chicken Little, eventually people figure it out. When you lie repeatedly by calling catastrophe like  the Kochs and the right, people figure that out, too. The confluence is that so few really care any more, except the Tea Party indoctrinates who are a declining group of extremists in public perception and in fact, when the Kochs speak, most people know who they are and understand the source bias or at least overreaction. Koch day in America is come and gone, like all fads.

  •  Where are our Billionaires? (4+ / 0-)

    They claim we have some. Couldn't they fund such a campaign easily? Since that doesn't seem to be happening, how about we make the ad campaigns about the Koch Brothers as well? Maybe a little statement of attribution with a logo of them and dollar signs. Something like your legal right to health care has been denied you by the following....

    Patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings. Steal a little and they throw you in jail. Steal a lot and they make you king.... Dylan

    by bywaterbob on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 02:52:02 PM PST

  •  YES! (4+ / 0-)

    It doesn't require the dubious genius of Frank Luntz or the alleged power of a media fatcat like Rush Limbaugh to lay out two or three really good facts, and two of the best ones are no denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions, and no dropping you from your insurance if you have the gall to get sick and actually make a claim.

    Even the lowest of the low information voters can grasp these two points, and practically everyone who's dealt with health insurance has experienced or had a close acquaintance who has experienced one or the other (or both). It's an easy case to make, but you've got to make it. These are also the kinds of easily-understood points that people can pass to one another without a lengthy explanation. You have to start the ball rolling, but it will keep rolling with a little effort.

  •  YES! (3+ / 0-)
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    Mokislab, diggerspop, biloxiblues

    This is the way to go - in my opinion.

    Tell folks what the bad guys want to take away.

    Go after them. Play offense - not defense.

  •  I'm not a big fan of those type of attack ads. (1+ / 0-)
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    It's not that I'm against attack ads, I just think that that kind doesn't work.  It seems like every election cycle we're barraged by earnest sounding ads assuring us that a particular politician would be throwing babies to crocodiles if by some disaster they get elected, and it just seems like its so obviously biased and spun that you can't really believe any of it.  I think it's much more effective if you provide context.

    "The Affordable Care Act ensures coverage for pre-existing conditions, provides subsidies for low income families...yada yada yada all the popular things it does.  Thom Tillman wants to repeal the ACA."  

    When you don't provide context it just seems like you must be avoiding doing so because the context would hurt your argument.  

    •  They might not work for you because.. (2+ / 0-)
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      you are informed and know the difference between BS and the truth. But most of the people we need to reach do fall for this stuff,

      Don't think of it as negative ads, but rather informing them the way that they take in information. Speaking their language so to speak.

      •  Well I don't think they have NO effect (0+ / 0-)

        But I think the effect is lessening every year as these type of ads become ubiquitous.

        It's not really a matter of being informed, it's a matter of credibility.  When you just assert that politician A is history's biggest monster and then at the end of the ad it says "paid for by politician A's opponent" I think the normal reaction is "yeah, you would say that."

        If your argument is actually true, give the context and let people see that you're right.  "Take my word for it, my opponent is evil" is fundamentally unconvincing.

    •  In the case of Thom Tillis (1+ / 0-)
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      You really MIGHT be throwing babies to crocodiles if he wins over Hagan.  I'd say he's a total tool, but tools are actually useful for something most of the time.  Tillis is a mealy-mouthed sellout ALEC poster boy, bought and paid for.

      I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

      by mojo11 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 09:36:12 AM PST

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  •  I like the ad against Tillis (1+ / 0-)
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    It's the perfect attack ad dealing with the effects of Obamacare opposition. I'd like to see more Democrats use attack lines in the ad against similar Republicans who have openly opposed Obamacare (examples: John Cornyn, all GOP lieutenant governor candidates, and Greg Abbott). How would they like defending themselves against the fact that opposing Obamacare means supporting insurance companies who deny coverage of pre-existing conditions, etc? I'd look forward to hear how they'd respond.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Gandhi

    by alaprst on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 03:57:38 PM PST

  •  My G.d, some people still don't know Obamacare (4+ / 0-)

    does these things, as "holding insurance companies accountable, ending the ban on pre-existing conditions, preventing them from dropping you when you get sick—all those positive things the law does that people really like. These are the things that the public has always supported, even when they don't know that Obamacare does it.?"

    My patience is getting thin.  I will do my utmost to "educate" my neighbors and all I come into contact with, but this is getting unconscionable.  Obamacaree was passed in March 2010, 4 years ago.  To think that the lies are still around is sickening.

    Thanks Limbaugh, Ryan, Cruz, Boehner, McConnell, Hannity, Palin, O'Reilly, and all those multitude of others whose whole reason for living is to undermine what is good for their own country.

  •  A good strategy for Dems (0+ / 0-)

    is to show how our policies are helping the average person while GOP policies will hurt them. But I think it is also important that these ads show how they are countering Big Money not working in their best interests--it's a good way of helping to take such special interests out of the game, by using their own ads against them.

    •  And it wouldn't hurt to remind people (0+ / 0-)

      that at the same GOP low-lifes are trying to deprive them of healthcare, they are simultaneously collecting tax-payer funded healthcare for themselves and their families.

      Ie., GOP = "I got mine, so I'll throw everyone else under the bus for a few Koch and ALEX campaign bucks."

  •  BackwardsLand (0+ / 0-)

    Swell.  The Kochs' war on Obamacare has persuaded far too many that the ACA...the Big Insurance & Wall Street Windfall Act...must be good because the Kochs oppose it.

    If Romney weaseled his way into office (as Obama lied his way there), guaranteed that the Kochs would be supporting what would be called "Romneycare", with full backing from the policy's creators at the Heritage Foundation.

    It is Very Discouraging that "liberals" or "progressives" or the "Left", would In Any Way support a plan that will leave millions uncovered, waste untold millions on irrelevant advertising and lobbying, waste more on CEO bonuses and lush corporate headquarters, on trade conventions and corporate jets...not to mention providing for-profits with billions to invest (as they do already) in the likes of cigarette manufacturing, pesticides, military weaponry, chlorine, logging, GMOs, corporate prisons, big oil, fast "food", pharmaceuticals that make tobacco pesticides and cigarette additives, nukes, and even fracking...etc.  This isn't even a "bail out".  It's gratuitous, unconscionable dumping of what should be our health care money into Wall Street's vaults.

    It's further discouraging that liberals, progressives and anyone who's read a bit of the Constitution, don't raise bloody Hell about being COMPELLED to speak (with words and money) to private insurers...without a compelling need.   After all, the option of a tax-funded, public-administered program exists and has been successfully well-tested elsewhere throughout the developed world.

    If the Kochs spent billions telling everyone NOT to go jump in a lake, the current "left" in the USA would be lining up on the nearest shore, removing their shoes and socks.
      OK, Obama's not telling anyone to go jump in a lake... except metaphorically, when it comes to denying the entire country a truly universal public national health care program.

    •  "Half a loaf is better than none" ..... (0+ / 0-)

      States which expanded their Medicare (per ACA plan) have coverage available for everyone in their state. States which rejected ACA (like mine, NC) not only gave up millions of matching federal funds, but now have a "doughnut hole" of ineligible people who earn too much for state Medicaid but not enough for the ACA assistance plans.

      Some states and local governments have actually enacted their own single payer public plans, using the matching ACA federal monies. And these states and local area love their single payer public healthcare plans.
      And these programs actually save the states and local governments a LOT of money. As more and more state and local governments begin to see the savings from  these plans, more will begin to implement their own.
      And this will be the bridge, or momentum generator, to a single payer public option national health care program.

      And that is why liberals support ACA even if it isn't immediately everything we wanted. It's better than nothing, and can eventually lead the country to the end goal.

  •  Did you know ... (0+ / 0-)

    Each time you support - vote for - or stand with a Tea Party members - or any other right-winger - you're actually going along with the Koch Brothers. All of these folks are mere puppets - picked for their willingness to do anything but legislate.

    So - if you want to see legislators in Washington do their jobs - send real representatives of the people - not of the Koch Brothers.

  •  Insurance (0+ / 0-)

    I used to help its victims fight corrupt insurance companies. They are dirty, evil, and without conscience. Insurance is America's Largest Organized Criminal Enterprise.

  •  Jeez, let it go already! (0+ / 0-)

    The Koch brothers and their conservative minions are beating a dead horse in trying to stop the Affordable Care Act. Tea Party Republicans have tried a gazillion times to repeal it and have pilloried the ACA and the members of Congress who voted to pass it, and yet they have proposed no alternative plan to replace it that would provide universal health care insurance for all Americans. Personally, I wasn't all that jazzed about the version of Obamacare that was eventually passed by Congress, nor did I approve of all the pork that was injected into the final bill. However, that being said, even though the ACA is flawed and will require future amendments, as well as perhaps providing a public option, it's much better than the big, fat NOTHING that the conservatives have proposed to replace the law. I for one am sick to death of hearing the plethora of ACA-bashing comments coming from the right-wing morons.

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