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2/20/14 Case heard, awaiting Federal Appeals Court Judges Decision.

Update 8/20/14-Still no news of Courts Decision. I check all the time. Spectra Showdown Facebook

Just Say No, to spectra engergy's New Jersey/New York City natural gas transportation pipeline!

The first media news of this case being heard; that I saw, was on Monday.
I know. I check nj.com every day, because I've been waiting for the case to come up.

I have all the facts right here Spectra Gas Pipeline Case To Be Heard In DC Appellate Court

Oral arguments in Spectra pipeline case to be heard Thursday by Terrence T McDonald/The Jersey Journal February 10 2014 nj.com article has great photos, but a definite defeatist tone.

I still say, this is a winnable case for Jersey City; other groups and opponents, to defeat spectra and the monster, that they call a gas pipeline. Why else, would there even be an appeals process?  

spectra is culpable
, they continued to build even though they knew the pipeline was being challenged in Appellate Court.

Continuing to build, was an erroneous business decision on spectra's part.

spectra doesn't lose, it's a tax write off for them. Leaving it in the ground won't do any harm. Maybe someday if spectra improves their safety procedures it can be used for something like heating or diesel oil. Meanwhile just let it sit there.

The lives of millions of people in NJ and NYC are worth more than any amount it would cost to get rid of spectra. Buy them off if necessary. The State of New Jersey Can Afford it.

This is no ordinary pipeline, like the kind that brings gas to homes. It's a transportation pipeline, that is expected to pump 800 million cubic feet of gas a day!

Besides everything else, this is a total rip off. We've been robbed!

Endangering the lives of millions of people, for a measly $2.27 million dollars!

Actually only $1.24 million profit. The other $1.3 million is a bond in case of an environmental disaster caused by the pipeline.

Just give spectra back their $2.27 million dollars, lease and bond money. That is a nothing amount, to the State of NJ.

spectra has filed a request with DEP to lease these six lots for 20 years. Additional state-owned land would be needed during the pipeline’s construction phase as well. spectra will pay New Jersey $862,721, total, in rent; $65,809 for temporary work space during the construction phase of the project; and $1.3 million to offset any “permanent ecological, environmental, and recreational [impacts]” of the pipeline to the area. The company has also agreed to compensate the state for “tree mitigation,” the amount of which has yet to be determined. Hudson Reporter 2012

Jersey City's Mayor Healy says; the spectra pipeline is a big danger to the New Jersey, New York City area and shouldn't be allowed to operate.

The Blast Radius/Check Out This Shocking Map!  Pipeline Goes Right Through Jersey City And Hoboken!

The Proposed Route

The spectra gas pipeline is definitely a big danger!

I've been documenting and researching the spectra pipeline since I first saw Mayor Healy fighting it several years ago.

How can Jersey City lose, when there are laws? For starters, no one can override, or even compromise the Historic Preservation laws (ie spectra cannot even get into Jersey City from Bayonne, without crossing the Morris Canal, a Federally designated Historical Landmark).

Even if they do try and challenge the environmental ones. They really can't do that either.

I mean; these judges could go with spectra; but when all the fish disappear from here to Delaware and further, when all the fishermen are chasing them, they won't be so popular? Just an observation.  

Natural gas pipelines are prone to high risk of leaks that are released as fine mists of toxic spray.

We've got a big mess environmentally here in America and it's time for our Courts to stand up and say; NO, to big energy!

spectra energy compressor station offline while engineers investigate Searsmont Maine gas release

spectra energy experienced a pipeline rupture in St John British Columbia just five days after a previous incident

This Stop spectra gas pipeline Series; Dedicated To, Doctor Of Sociology, Theodore Adams
My old Sociology Professor; who told my Mother the day I graduated College, that, "I was the best student he ever had, in all his years of teaching." Thank You. I'm still trying to live up to your confidence in me Dr Adams

And thank you; to all the Professors and many other people too *a very long list, (Kossacks included), who always helped me, and taught me so much.

And Also For My Grandfather Michael Murphy, who worked on the Central Railroad In Jersey City over 100 years ago. Unloading boxcars with a big hook. He and his fellow workers sweltered in the summer and froze in the winter.

BTW,
I'm a Fireman's daughter.

My Father and the Bayonne Fire Dept put out a huge standard oil fire that almost engulfed Bayonne New Jersey. Back in the late 1930's or 40's. I had a link, lost and can't find it since, you know that was hushed up.

The Fire Chief told my Mother that the fire was so hot, his and all the Fireman's gear (coats, helmets, etc) got melted.

Bayonne is one mile long and three miles wide. Although most of them have been gone for years, we used to have standard oil storage tanks running the length of the east side of town.

So many lies from spectra gas co. They say they're putting the pipeline in industrial areas.

Not true! Before this pipeline gets to Bayonne's industrial east side; it runs west to east, all along residential 1st Street. Then on the east side, up past more homes, schools, churches etc.

It also runs right through the middle of Jersey City, Hoboken and Manhattan's West Village. Check out the blast radius link I have in this diary.

New Jersey's First Lady 125th Anniversary Of The Statue Of Liberty

The Statue Of Liberty Thanks You All For Your Activism

Originally posted to rebel ga on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 03:41 PM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (25+ / 0-)

    Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

    by rebel ga on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 03:41:24 PM PST

  •  rebel ga - do you know if it's true that all the (3+ / 0-)
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    jet fuel for JFK is delivered through a pipeline that travels under Queens?

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 03:52:14 PM PST

  •  thanks for keeping us posted, rg (4+ / 0-)

    "The corporate state’s repression, now on the brink of totalitarianism, would with the help of Christie, his corporate backers ... become a full-blown corporate fascism.' http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_trouble_with_chris_christie_20140112

    by SeaTurtle on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 03:52:39 PM PST

  •  Up here in Maine, in the Belfast area, there was a (9+ / 0-)

    Spectra gas pipe accident about six weeks ago that released about 26 pipe-miles from the line.  No fire, although the sound of the rupture was heard for tens of miles.  All very under the radar.  It was in a sparsely populated area and, as I say, no fire, so it slipped by the public consciousness.

    The point is it happens to Spectra, and it's not a rare occurrence.

    "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi, 6/30/07 // "Succeed?" At what?

    by nailbender on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 03:56:15 PM PST

    •  Thanks Nailbender. (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm in the White Mountains area (practically right next door), and even I didn't hear about that pipeline rupture.

      You know spectra hushed that up, with this case being heard Thursday.

      I'd read they wanted to put this pipeline in Maine, but didn't know they already had.

      They plan on putting this spectra pipeline all over the East Coast. I read that somewhere too.

      I'm adding a link to my diary. Thanks again Nailbender.

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:09:58 PM PST

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  •  Thanks so much, rebel ga. This is so important (6+ / 0-)

    but not many people seem to care about it. When the inevitable Spectra accident occurs and natural gas goes spewing all over the historic West Village of Manhattan, people will care, but it will be way too late.

    You have been tireless and great on this topic. I appreciate it very much.  

    "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

    by rubyr on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:02:42 PM PST

    •  ♥Thanks Ruby♥ (1+ / 0-)
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      Did you look at the "blast radius" map? This pipeline is very dangerous. Wouldn't take out a house or two. Compare the map to the West Village area. Not good!

      God Forbid; an explosion of the spectra pipeline, would take out the entire NYC Village, East and West, and all the little islands like Ellis, Liberty, etc with it!

      I Love ♥ New York City. All my friends are in Jersey City and Manhattan.

      My Father was born in Manhattan. On Grand St. 1893. He knew everyone, everywhere. It was a smaller world back then.

      My Mother was born on Montgomery St in Jersey City and grew up in Jersey City. My Grandfather worked on the Jersey City Central Railroad, over 100 years ago. Another Historically Protected Landmark, that spectra wants to run this pipeline right past.

      For My Father Sam Atkins * Jazz Age
      Coincidentally; Yes, I do have the same last name as Dante.

      I often wonder if we're related. I do have cousins who moved to Southern California, fifty, sixty, years ago. My Mother and Father went to visit them once.

      Thanks for your question about the link the other night. I'm making my links much clearer now. Did you notice?

      And thanks for always rec'g and tipping me too ♥Ruby♥

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 06:01:29 PM PST

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      •  Yep. Here I sit in the East Village poised to be (1+ / 0-)
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        blasted into the river. ugh. Keep up your good work.
        That is an amazing family history.  

        "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

        by rubyr on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 06:13:06 PM PST

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        •  ♥Thanks Ruby♥ (1+ / 0-)
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          Thing is, I'm mad! This is a stupid pipeline, being shoved off on everyone. Against the will of the people!

          What is going on in America, when the people have no say?

          Well, spectra came to the wrong place when they came to NJ and NYC.

          I'm pretty confidant that we have a very good chance of winning this lawsuit against spectra.

          The people won with the very recent, NJ Pine Barrens lawsuit against the gas pipeline proposal. (as Errol just reminded me) No pipeline.

          So how can the gov't allow this gas pipeline in such a densely populated area? I don't think they can.

          spectra was counting on
          no one caring or starting a big fuss. Plus a lot of secrecy was involved to try and make sure no one found out their plans.

          They couldn't fool Jersey City Mayor Jeremiah Healy though. He's one tough guy! I so love Healy, he's my hero.

          More of my heroes/heroines. Occupy Spectra NYC Aug 11, 2012 Occupy and NYC residents out in force to oppose the construction of an explosive pipeline that proposes to deliver radon-infested fracked gas from the Marcellus.

          Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

          by rebel ga on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 07:25:50 PM PST

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          •  I'm mad, too. About this and fracking and the (1+ / 0-)
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            death of Net Neutrality and Keystone XL pipeline and so many things!! I try to use the anger to get things done. They are raping our beautiful country and the planet. I've had it.

            Thanks again, and I hope Spectra loses this lawsuit.

            Good news: the people who are fighting back.  

            "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

            by rubyr on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 09:15:16 PM PST

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  •  will not be decided tomorrow (2+ / 0-)
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    as I understand what you've posted, the oral argument is tomorrow. The decision could take months after that, though everyone will be trying to read the tea leaves of which judge cocked which eyebrow while asking which question.

    •  That's what I thought RugbyMom. (0+ / 0-)

      That's good. It will give the Judges lots of time to really consider the dangers of this pipeline.

      Thanks for pointing that out RugbyMom.

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:55:39 PM PST

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  •  Not to mention that the Statue of Liberty (1+ / 0-)
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    is in Jersey City, plus lots of Wall Street Offshoots  .. large Indian and Hispanic communities  .......

    •  Wall St would be gone. (0+ / 0-)

      Jersey City, Hoboken, Bayonne too would all be goners too.

      Big energy thinks we're all stupid.

      Just because they can pull this kind of stuff in states where they're all powerful, does not mean they can get away with it here.

      They try to pull a scam/ponzi scheme (natural gas, is a finite resource) like this here, in New Jersey and New York City where the most highly educated people in the US live? Guess they figured no one would notice and that they could buy their way in for very little.

      Not, gonna happen. I don't care what the news media says.

      Under current plans, the 19.8-mile pipeline would be constructed through parts of Jersey City, Bayonne, and Linden. A portion of the pipeline route would be constructed along the border of Liberty State Park and would affect six lots of state-owned property, totaling almost one acre of land, according to a notice from the DEP. Two of these lots are in the vicinity of Bayview Avenue. Four lots are located near Liberty Science Center.

      Spectra has filed a request with DEP to lease these six lots for 20 years. Additional state-owned land would be needed during the pipeline’s construction phase as well. To compensate the state, Spectra will pay New Jersey a total of $2.27 million over the course of the 20-year lease. According to the DEP, this money covers $862,721, total, in rent; $65,809 for temporary work space during the construction phase of the project; and $1.3 million to offset any “permanent ecological, environmental, and recreational [impacts]” of the pipeline to the area. The company has also agreed to compensate the state for “tree mitigation,” the amount of which has yet to be determined. Hudson Reporter 2012

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 06:32:52 PM PST

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    •  Thanks for your comment, jfdunphy. (0+ / 0-)

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 07:01:13 PM PST

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  •  is this the same pipeline that Christie was (1+ / 0-)
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    trying to get running through the Pine Barrens?

    •  Thanks for your comment. (0+ / 0-)

      No Errol. The Pine Barrens are a wooded area in South Jersey, (down the shore). We won that case, no pipeline.

      This pipeline is in Northern New Jersey (Jersey City, Hoboken, Bayonne and to run to Manhattan's West Village).

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 06:37:52 PM PST

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      •  do you have a map of the proposed route? (1+ / 0-)
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        how are they going to run it through Hoboken and West Village? where will it cross the Hudson?

        •  Thanks Errol. (0+ / 0-)

          The Proposed Route

          This is a map of the proposed route too. The Blast Radius

          Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

          by rebel ga on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 07:39:43 PM PST

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          •  thanks, it's going to reach the Hudson right (1+ / 0-)
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            next the NJ Transit trains, a major transit hub. will they dig under the Hudson or send it along an existing route [Holland Tunnel]? is that another reason Christie cancelled the new tunnel?

            •  spectra gas pipeline, is next to everything (0+ / 0-)

              The Holland Tunnel, The NJ Turnpike, Transit Trains (Light Rail), Schools, Neighborhoods, Everywhere. It goes right through the middle of Jersey City and most of Hoboken.

              They plan to run it under the Hudson River; past the Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island, etc, to Manhattan's West Village.

              If I remember, the tunnel that Christie cancelled was another car/truck/bus tunnel and Christie felt that another subway tunnel like the Path would be more practical.

              That's all I remember.

              Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

              by rebel ga on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 08:40:43 PM PST

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            •  I doubt they will dig in the Hudson (1+ / 0-)
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              Probably drill underneath and pull the pipe back through.

              Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

              by Dirtandiron on Thu Feb 13, 2014 at 08:43:41 AM PST

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          •  also, it is a completely insane plan. (1+ / 0-)
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            don't they realize that entire area was under water during the last flood?
            Don't they realize this is a densely populated area [I guess not]

            •  Absolutely! (0+ / 0-)

              This spectra pipeline is an insane plan. They're trying to put sections of this pipeline all up the East Coat, to Canada.

              Ingenious little plan to replace their oil losses all over the world with their fracked gas holdings.

              These are the same type of people like the ones, who destroyed the Appalachian Mountains. Exploiting poor coal miners.

              When one thinks that "Mountain Top Removal" is ok, there's definitely something wrong with their thinking process.

              These people like spectra don't know and they don't care. They're blinded by money. The love of money is a disease!

              The sad thing is, that companies like spectra gas could make even more money investing in natural energy sources, like wind and solar.

              These are new, untapped markets with a lot of potential for profit. Whereas fossil fuels are old, running out, and more trouble than their worth.

              Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

              by rebel ga on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 08:56:21 PM PST

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            •  Yes Errol, Totally Underwater! (0+ / 0-)

              Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

              by rebel ga on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 09:00:21 PM PST

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  •  Thanks (0+ / 0-)

    For All The Rec's, Tips, Likes, And Informative Comments Everyone♥

    ♥The Statue Of Liberty Thanks You All For Your Activism♥

    Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

    by rebel ga on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 08:29:27 PM PST

  •  just to be devil's advocate (1+ / 0-)
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    there are already lots of natural gas pipelines under all of NYC. Info online has been sketchy but best I can determine is that the two main lines for manhattan cross the borough at 135th st and 75th st.
    They've gotta be at least 30-60 years old and are slightly smaller than the proposed line (36" compared to 40" for part of the pipeline.)

    so it's not like large swaths of the city don't already live with the danger of decrepit gas mains leaking and exploding.

    I don't know if the new pipeline could potentially take pressure off the other two but it is worth considering that the pipeline may be necessary and increase safety overall.

    this is not to say that i support fracking, I do not, or that the suggested pathway for the pipeline is optimal, I do not know if it is or if there are other better options.

    If you aren't outraged, you are an idiot

    by indefinitelee on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 09:09:00 PM PST

    •  Thanks for your comment, indefinitelee. (2+ / 0-)
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      This new pipeline is strictly a transportation pipeline. It has nothing to do with existing gas pipelines.

      This is no ordinary pipeline, like the kind that brings gas to homes. It's a transportation pipeline, that is expected to pump 800 million cubic feet of gas a day!
      If older existing gas pipelines need to be replaced then NYC should get this done.

      Bringing in more, unneeded pipelines makes no sense. Like you said "gas is explosive."

      Only the gas companies profit from gas.

      The better option is to stop this pipeline. It has no use except to transport fracked gas.

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 09:33:43 PM PST

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