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New Jersey Governor Chris Christie gives a news conference in Trenton January 9, 2014. Christie on Thursday fired a top aide at the center of a brewing scandal that public officials orchestrated a massive traffic snarl on the busy George Washington Bridge
I'm sure New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie's thinks this is great political news for him:
A traffic jam orchestrated by members of Gov. Chris Christie's administration and responsible for days of gridlock in northern New Jersey appeared not to cause poor medical care or leave critically ill patients dying, according to a comprehensive review by The Associated Press of emergency dispatch audio, call logs and interviews.
But while the traffic jam may not have killed anyone, it easily could have:
The lack of life-or-death consequences reflects good fortune, not good planning.
Given that Christie sees himself as the biggest victim of this scandal, I assume he thinks he got really lucky that nobody died as a result of his administration's political tactics, because that would be really bad PR. But the truth is that his constituents are the lucky ones: Christie's team gambled with their lives, and they lived to tell the tale. It was bad enough as it was—but it could have been worse.

But if you're a Chris Christie partisan, and you think it's good political news when you see a report saying that at least nobody died thanks to the governor's traffic jam, then you just don't know how truly screwed you really are.

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  •  Boy, here's making a flower out of a turd: (12+ / 0-)
    [that no one died] could affect the political repercussions for Christie, a possible Republican presidential candidate in 2016.

    Yes. Things will be much better for Christie now that AP decided that no one died because of his little bullying-freak scheme to exact political revenge by fucking up public safety.

  •  A political career died...Christie's. (6+ / 0-)

    "Let's stay together"--Rev. Al Green and President Obama

    by collardgreens on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:22:41 AM PST

    •  Well, his national one ended. (3+ / 0-)
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      Dirtandiron, rubyr, oceanview

      He'll go on being the president of Mafia-ville, though.


      "Legalizing pot won't make more pot-smokers. It will just make fewer criminals. - Me

      by AlyoshaKaramazov on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:34:37 AM PST

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      •  His dear departed "Uncle" Tino "The Animal" (3+ / 0-)
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        Silverheels, flycaster, enufenuf

        Fiumara would be proud of his protege....
        another guy Christie barely knew......
        except prison visiting records show he visited his "Uncle Tino" in prison.

        Sarah Palin, and now Chris Christie, amazing that this country has become so dysfunctional that these two would even be considered as serious candidates for POTUS and not just as a punchline for a joke in that context.

        Our controlled media (The Modern American Pravda)
        is very selective these days about who gets vetted and who doesn't.

        In today's America, we get more truth about politics from our comedians than we do from our so-called serious media.
        The 'serious' media has BECOME the joke.

  •  Rethugs = material & existential threat to us (3+ / 0-)

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:22:55 AM PST

  •  Isn't reckless endangerment a crime? (13+ / 0-)

    We have it within our power to make the world over again ~ Thomas Paine

    by occupystephanie on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:22:59 AM PST

  •  In the long run, (6+ / 0-)

    Bridgegate is not going to matter much, it's the rest of the story that has come out since as a result, that will take Christie down. And hopefully, take out his gang too.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:26:56 AM PST

    •  I completely disagree. (7+ / 0-)

      To those of us outside of the NE, a guy who looks and acts like Christie has a faint odor of sleaze and authoritarianism. But, that feeling might never have been enough to do him nationally in without Bridgegate. The idea of using your position as a public servant to fuck up the public painted a graphic picture of who he really is. And now his political career is in the toilet.

      The "rest of the story" feeds into everything I've mentioned, but it's still the idea of closing lanes of traffic for revenge that makes it all crystal clear. You can explain it in one complete sentence, and it's doom for Christie.

      •  Bridgegate ripped the veneer off of him (10+ / 0-)

        but while it is clearly a violation of the public's trust, it is not a huge criminal offense, where mishandling Sandy funds, using them as leverage to promote crooked deals really IS criminal, as in federal crimes that could land Christie and his associates in government housing.
        We wouldn't have heard about these more horrific crimes had he not overstepped and shut down the onramps. But like the Watergate break-in, the original incident was minor compared to what was revealed afterward.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:41:07 AM PST

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        •  I think I misunderstood your original post ... (5+ / 0-)
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          I was thinking "take Christie down" meant politically. You're absolutely right that the other stuff outside of closing the bridge will take him down legally.

        •  it doesn't matter if it's "criminal" (3+ / 0-)
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          Dirtandiron, CwV, rubyr

          the man (or, at least, his administration) used the power of the office the public trusted him with to screw over his own constituents. the residents of New Jersey were the pawns in his personal political game. say what you will about this country, but people here won't stand for that shit.

          "Against the assault of laughter, nothing can stand." - Mark Twain

          by GrimReefa on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:53:48 AM PST

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          •  Was a law broken? Patrick Foye believed so (4+ / 0-)
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            CwV, rubyr, oceanview, cybersaur

            Actions taken that impeded emergencies vehicles are probably a violation of some state law.  

            •  Yes, laws were probably broken. (1+ / 0-)
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              But chrississippi's point that Bridgegate would be a political waterloo rather than a legal one holds. They had to dig to find something illegal in that mess, but there's no question that using Federal money as a club to bludgeon local politicians in order to push through deals for your buddies is illegal, it's a brightline kind of thing.

              If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

              by CwV on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 09:41:10 AM PST

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              •  I think it will eventually be revealed (0+ / 0-)

                that Bridgegate was likewise about pushing real estate deals for your buddies, and at least as sinister as Hoboken-gate.

                But abuse of power and obstruction of justice were big enough crimes to bring down Nixon, and plenty big enough in my book, even if the motive was petty revenge.

                When you add in the fact that Bridgegate endangered lives--remember, we don't even know how long it was going to last, Foye brought it to a premature end, and Wildstein et al were furious, so "much longer than 4 days" is a reasonable guess--I still maintain, Bridgegate is a BFD.

            •  That's not how I understand Foye's point (2+ / 0-)
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              I understood him to say that the closure was illegal because it did not go through the proper bureaucratic procedures and channels with proper notice to himself and to the affected communities. (It's like putting electrical outlets in or whatever without getting the building inspector's OK.) That's why he ordered the lanes reopened ASAP.

              That's bad, and gets bureaucrats very angry, but I doubt very much it has criminal penalties attached.

              •  It was on one of the MSNBC shows that (1+ / 0-)
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                some guest attorney from NJ was talking about special laws pertaining to transit in NJ, re the bridge. I wish I could remember what, exactly, he said, but those specific transit laws might help to explain what Foye may have meant.

              •  When the little bureaucratic nicety of (0+ / 0-)

                "proper notice to the affected communities" is a matter of public safety, among other things, it's hardly a peccadillo

        •  I think Bridgegate (0+ / 0-)

          will ultimately be revealed to be a huge criminal offense.  When the facts finally come out

      •  I'm from the NE, Jersey in fact (3+ / 0-)
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        and Christie gave off a LOT more than a faint odor of sleaze.
        I read and heard a lot of things that the media barely mentioned or ignored.
        There was some very selective reporting, they could have easily gone the other way in reporting and highlighting things in Christie's past that would have painted a whole 'nother picture of him.

        He had the media in his pocket for whatever reason.
        In his case, they had the ability to make him or break him.

        They chose to make him.... again for whatever reason.
        We can speculate, but we'll probably never really know.

      •  If you like "closing lanes for revenge" (2+ / 0-)
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        No, make that "endangering lives for revenge," how does "endangering lives to extort advantages for your developer cronies" grab ya?

        No way Bridgegate was about petty revenge.  When the facts are finally out, blackmail over a development deal will be revealed as the motive.  

  •  Christie & Co. should be damn glad it's MSNBC's (3+ / 0-)
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    primetime lineup going after him and not his fellow GOP primary contenders.

    I don't think they'd be as polite about the whole affair.

  •  Can't say the same for Bush Team victims... (9+ / 0-)

    ...hundreds of thousands died.

    Christie's team gambled with their lives, and they lived to tell the tale.

    Nuclear Reactor = Dirty Bomb

    by olo on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:32:01 AM PST

  •  Did everyone just hear that huge (4+ / 0-)
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    sigh of relief from Christie and his staff?





    Neither did I.






    "Legalizing pot won't make more pot-smokers. It will just make fewer criminals. - Me

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:33:46 AM PST

  •  The traffic jam could have saved lives, too (0+ / 0-)

    Might have kept somebody from speeding to his or her demise and the demise of others.

    Those "could'ves" aren't very compelling.

    But what the heck, politicians and their consultants need something to talk about.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:34:10 AM PST

  •  In this game of poker (2+ / 0-)
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    I'll up the ante and bet that Christie's traffic jam put to rest his presidential aspirations.

    AP, that's all you got?

  •  If he became President, he could fix that. (2+ / 0-)
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    The last Republican President was very proficient at killing people.

    Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfu*king snows on this motherfu*king plain!

    by shoeless on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:37:11 AM PST

    •  And he didn't even need drones to do it, either. (0+ / 0-)

      “Most people are willing to take the Sermon on the Mount as a flag to sail under, but few will use it as a rudder by which to steer.” ― Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

      by SpamNunn on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 09:09:03 AM PST

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      •  No, because he had US troops. (0+ / 0-)

        What Obama seems to be trying to do is simultaneously bring the troops home, and continue to go after the bad guys without endangering any Americans. Hence, drones. It's despicable, but it's not killing more people than US troops have been doing since 2001.

  •  The whole thing is proof Christie and his (3+ / 0-)
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    minions have an extreme indifference to other people's well being. It's all about I, me, myself. Narcissism, in other words.

    Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

    by Dirtandiron on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:39:25 AM PST

  •  Killing somebody is the wrong endpoint here (4+ / 0-)

    something that a very larger number of people can identify with is - in the words of the immortal Bruce Springsteen:

    I really gotta take a leak
    But I can't because I'm stuck in Governor Chris Christie's Fort Lee traffic jam
  •  An old woman DID die during the traffic jam (2+ / 0-)
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    enemy of the people, Silverheels

    Is the AP made up of medical examiners? Do they get to determine cause of death? Looks like someone in the media wants to downplay Christie's responsibility.

    Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

    by Dirtandiron on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:41:47 AM PST

    •  She was old. She was going to die anyways. (1+ / 0-)
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      'Move along folks. Nothing to see here'.- Chief Clancy Wiggins

    •  I think the AP addressed that: (0+ / 0-)
      Fort Lee's EMS coordinator, Paul Favia, complained in a September 2013 letter to Fort Lee's mayor - before the closures were deemed to be politically motivated - that gridlock was "causing unnecessary delays for emergency services to arrive on scene for medical emergencies within the borough." He described minor delays in reaching the scenes of a traffic collision, a patient suffering chest pains and a 91-year-old woman found unconscious in her Fort Lee home and later pronounced dead, although her family said they don't blame the delays for her death.

      “Most people are willing to take the Sermon on the Mount as a flag to sail under, but few will use it as a rudder by which to steer.” ― Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

      by SpamNunn on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 09:12:57 AM PST

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      •  Her family? Are they doctors? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

        by Dirtandiron on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 09:25:44 AM PST

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        •  No. Apparently, they are bad family, too, when (0+ / 0-)

          a stranger cares more than they do.  They don't even care enough to join all of the others filing suit.   What heartless beasts.  

          “Most people are willing to take the Sermon on the Mount as a flag to sail under, but few will use it as a rudder by which to steer.” ― Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

          by SpamNunn on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 10:32:09 AM PST

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          •  "filing suit"? (0+ / 0-)

            Yeah, all those Democrats and their lawyers, looking to get money for nothing through the court system. Nice try, but it's a strawman.  

            Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

            by Dirtandiron on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:00:20 AM PST

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            •  My issue is with lawyers who waste the Court's (0+ / 0-)

              time with stuff like this, Democrat, Republican or Whig:

              http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

              The plaintiff's bars in NY and NJ were trolling for clients the day after this story broke, like the day after the infamous McDonald's hot coffee burn story broke.  

              You could file a suit like this for every traffic jam where someone was arguably negligent by failing to check their tires or coolant levels and broke down and clogged up traffic.   The Courts are overburdened as it is, without having to deal with poop like this.  The fact that it makes Christie look bad does not justify the waste of judicial resources.  Someone with a good case has to wait their turn in line while crap like this gets resolved.  

              Makes me ashamed to be a member of the bar.  

              “Most people are willing to take the Sermon on the Mount as a flag to sail under, but few will use it as a rudder by which to steer.” ― Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

              by SpamNunn on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:39:34 AM PST

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              •  You do understand the difference (0+ / 0-)

                between simple negligence and deliberate misconduct by public officials entrusted with public safety?

                •  I do. Duty, breach and proximately caused harm (0+ / 0-)

                  are the concepts that apply in both instances.   Here, there's no harm, thus no foul, on the civil side of things.   The suit is for damages.  That's totally different than a criminal action for a breach of the public trust.  

                  Criminal is another matter, but then nobody can make a big monetary and publicity score there, can they?

                  Thus, the lesson endeth.

                  “Most people are willing to take the Sermon on the Mount as a flag to sail under, but few will use it as a rudder by which to steer.” ― Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

                  by SpamNunn on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 04:57:06 PM PST

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                  •  You have no idea (0+ / 0-)

                    what harm has been alleged in the civil case.  IIRC, the harms allege include lost wages for plaintiffs unable to get to work on time, which is quite real.  And punitive damages (if NJ is a state allowing punitive damages) are appropriate where the harm is intentionally rather than negligently inflicted.  

                    If the tortious act is in violation of law, that may also go to proving the cause of action.  Tho here, my recollection of 1st year torts gets hazy.

                    •  Remember this? (0+ / 0-)
                      de minimis non curat lex

                      “Most people are willing to take the Sermon on the Mount as a flag to sail under, but few will use it as a rudder by which to steer.” ― Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

                      by SpamNunn on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 07:53:52 AM PST

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                      •  That's your best argument now? (1+ / 0-)
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                        What happened to duty, breach and proximate cause?

                        When the harm that occurs is exactly what the tortfeasor intended--time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee--and the torfeasor is a public official specifically charged with the duty to keep public infrastructure going smoothly, you have covered duty, breach, foreseeability, causation and anything that Mrs Palsgraf might want to add.

                        So you are back to pooh poohing the harm caused, having no idea what those plaintiffs suffered.  Lost wages may be de minimis to you.  Ever hear of class action lawsuits brought over over-charged bank fees of a couple bucks each?  Plus, several hours of discomfort, missed appointments, children on busses, parents waiting for police to report on their missing children, lasting four days and intended to last far longer.

                        I would just love to see a defense lawyer smirk that defense to a jury.  Even the king of smirk, Christie, was forced to about-face and claim sadness, shock and humiliation, when it was revealed that the traffic jams were intentionally caused.

                        What will be the interesting part of this case is if the plaintiffs can reach the deeper pockets of New Jersey, the Port Authority and/or the Christie campaign.  If the Port Authority defends Baroni et al.

                        •  I have heard of similarly frivolous class actions, (0+ / 0-)

                          yes.  Most of them never survive a dismissal motion.  This one has to be certified as a class action first

                          Let's see if it even gets that far.  I doubt that it will be.   The variety the claims and the nominal amounts of damages that could be claimed for each of the potential claims makes that a very long shot.  

                          The odds are very good that this one will die a very unpublicized procedural death.

                          “Most people are willing to take the Sermon on the Mount as a flag to sail under, but few will use it as a rudder by which to steer.” ― Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

                          by SpamNunn on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 07:02:19 PM PST

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                          •  Well, we can differ (0+ / 0-)

                            over whether sufficient damage was caused to merit a civil suit, you and I can have a friendly wager whether the case gets thrown out on those grounds.

                            I reminded myself that the reason I was moved to respond to your post in the first place was your equation of a deliberate, abusive act with ordinary negligence, like failing to keep your car properly maintained, resulting in a traffic jam.  There, I continue to say you are all wet.  In terms of the duty owed, the victims to whom the duty is owed, and the foreseeability of the harm caused, Bridgegate the civil class action is nowise comparable to an ordinary negligence case.

                          •  From a damages standpoint, the nature of the (0+ / 0-)

                            negligence is immaterial, unless you wish to seek punitive damages.  

                            The fact that one tortfeasor may be a careless truck driver and the other a Republican governor that you don't care for should not enter into the equation.  

                            “Most people are willing to take the Sermon on the Mount as a flag to sail under, but few will use it as a rudder by which to steer.” ― Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

                            by SpamNunn on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 02:09:57 PM PST

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                          •  As you said, (0+ / 0-)

                            duty, breach and proximate cause, and also, foreseeability.  It matters very much to the liability aspect of the case.  

                            If that--proving the elements of the cause of action, as entirely distinct from proving damages--is not what you intended to invoke, when you said Bridgegate was no different than someone causing a traffic jam because his car broke down due to negligent maintenance, then,

                            (i) don't understand what all that long discussion had to do with the far simpler point that you don't think these plaintiffs suffered any real losses.  You seemed at some pains to deliver a long lesson in tort law and

                            (ii) in the immortal words of Emily Litella, "never mind."

                          •  Ah, Emily Litella, too, had a listening problem. (0+ / 0-)

                            Never mind.

                            “Most people are willing to take the Sermon on the Mount as a flag to sail under, but few will use it as a rudder by which to steer.” ― Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

                            by SpamNunn on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 06:43:45 PM PST

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                          •  Ok, you can have the last word n/t (0+ / 0-)
    •  Yes, they looked at that (1+ / 0-)
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      The family insisted that she did not die because of any delay in the EMS getting there. I presume that the coroner has already looked into that, given the time that has passed.

      The urban legend generator can continue to believe that she was killed by the traffic jam -- but apparently the facts don't support it, and the people who were there at the time don't either.

      Given the number of people who actually have suffered because of Christie's shenanigans, I wish we could give this particular story a rest.

  •  Well THANK GOD AP is looking out for him! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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  •  We need a 'Christie Watch' sign at the NJ borders: (2+ / 0-)
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    "Welcome to New Jersey.  It has been _ days without Governor Chris Christie killing or injuring anyone."

  •  If my aunt had a dick (2+ / 0-)
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    She would be my uncle

    “He talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans.” James Carville

    by Mokislab on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 09:01:28 AM PST

  •  That's an argument that only an idiot would make. (2+ / 0-)
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    While that's good news, it ain't a defense.  

    The worst argument I ever saw made in court was similar to this.  A defense attorney defending an auto death case argued that the decedent's family should not recover any large amount of economic damages because the 84 year old lady who was killed when his client clipped her as she stepped off a curb "was old and was going to die soon, anyway".  

    The jury was physically repelled by this guy.  They leaned back, like he had bent over and farted in the general direction of the jury box.  1.2 million dollar verdict, by the way.  

    No, no.  It's always best to stay away from that argument.

    “Most people are willing to take the Sermon on the Mount as a flag to sail under, but few will use it as a rudder by which to steer.” ― Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

    by SpamNunn on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 09:07:38 AM PST

  •  didn't an elderly woman die? (1+ / 0-)
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    I thought I had recalled a report that a delay in ambulance service kept an elderly woman from receiving medical attention and that she had died as a result?

    Was she resurrected or did something  change about how to define dead, or was the report misleading?

    "I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness," Allen Ginsberg

    by Hermenutic on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 09:11:52 AM PST

  •  When your state motto (2+ / 0-)
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    is Bada Boom Bada Bing you can expect things like this to happen. He should have called "The Situation" and asked for advice before he acted on his instincts.

    “He talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans.” James Carville

    by Mokislab on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 09:38:20 AM PST

    •  Christie was like a merger between GOP style (3+ / 0-)
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      politics and business and Mafioso style politics and business tactics.
      Jersey was the perfect environment for that ugly weed to sprout.

      Imagine him in the White House...
      great premise for a novel or a movie,

      In the real world it would have been a disaster for the country.

  •  Don't think I've ever seen a political crash (2+ / 0-)
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    and burn happen this quickly.  No chance he will ever be the Republican nominee. (He'll be lucky to serve out his full term as NJ Gov.)

    Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.  

  •  A 91-year old woman DID DIE when she had a heart (1+ / 0-)
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    attack and the EMTs were late in getting to her.  It is pure Christie BS that 'nobody died'.

    To write a Republican Party talking point on a policy issue, any policy issue, all you need is: a noun, a verb, and 'Obamacare'.

    by MARTinNJ on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 10:10:14 AM PST

  •  I'm sorry, was there a diary here? (0+ / 0-)

    I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

    by itsjim on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 10:21:31 AM PST

  •  Hard to see how a traffic jam kills people (0+ / 0-)

    Because when the traffic is moving, that kills just as many if not more people.

  •  Does pain & Suffering count? (1+ / 0-)
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    sharman

    No one died. Well that's cold comfort when you're sitting there, freaking out and in agony with chest pains waiting for help; or how about the woman who fell and cut her face, anxiously waiting for EMT, bleeding and bleeding. The elderly woman who passed away may have had a less painful, more comforted death had the EMT been able to arrive sooner. I would sue even if I had only been forced to pee on the side of the road while waiting in those lane closures. And I'll bet there will be plenty of people who will do the same. At least, I hope so.

    No one died? In this case, luck doesn't count.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by ssnbbr on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:59:12 AM PST

  •  the traffic debacle (0+ / 0-)

    will have one casualty and that will be the death of the christie thuggery admin.

    save america defeat all republicans and conservatives

  •  He was never going to get either nominated or (0+ / 0-)

    elected imho even before all this...this just puts it to rest once and for all.

    "I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member." --G. Marx

    by dhshoops on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 01:36:50 PM PST

  •  But someone did die. (1+ / 0-)
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    So it was just a woman and she WAS 91.  I guess that makes it OK?

    Unless there is absolute proof that she would have died with prompt ER care then Christie's gang of thugs committed at the very least negligent manslaughter.

    I had a great uncle who decided to learn to bicycle at 98 and was still going at 104, and I knew a neighbor lady who was quite fit until she was 104.

    They each had had to deal with physical failures of one sort of another as they got older but they recovered and kept on going.

    Both were enjoying their being aliveness up until roughly the last year of their lives.

    There is no way to know whether this elderly lady wanted to die or would not otherwise have been capable of recovering and enjoying more living.

    To pass over her death as having not import is simply no acceptable.  It recognizes no value in their living, even to themselves.  It is not civilized.  It is barbaric.

    It stands in the same company as SYG murders of Blacks.  It is not acceptable.   It recognizes no value in their living, even to themselves.   It is not civilized.  It is barbaric.

  •  Article (0+ / 0-)

    And as far as I'm concerned, someone did die! I understand that victims daughter is OK and given her mother's age and overall physical condition has made peace with her death! But she died! In a court of law the burden of proof that she didn't die as a result of the traffic jam will belong to Christie!

  •  Thank goodness for Lady Luck! (0+ / 0-)

    New Jersey Governor Chris Christie dodged a bullet by the fact that the Bridgegate fiasco didn't cause any traffic or pedestrian injuries or fatalities. He should fall down on his bloated knees and thank the Good Lord that he at least escaped any dire consequences for closing the Fort Lee Bridge. (Of course, this was an action neither known about nor approved by the governor, or so he says.) In fact, that's the only decent press this fat fuck has gotten in recent weeks, but it isn't the result of any positive measures taken by the Christie administration regarding this incident. Only by the Grace of God was a catastrophe avoided.

  •  If someone had died... (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    I can see their response...."they're the children of Buono voters."

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