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Lousiana Gov. Bobby Jindal speaking at the Republican Leadership Conference.
A question: Do we have to pay attention to Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, now that he is no longer the Republican flavor of the month, and seems in no danger of recapturing that shining moment, the moment when he announced to the nation that good government requires not doing anything called "volcano monitoring"?

I ask because he is now on the Invisible War on Religion bandwagon, which is the natural extension of the Invisible War on Christmas bandwagon, and which asserts that all religious freedoms are sacrosanct, but some more sacrosanct and others, and that means that if a hobby supply store has to carry the same health insurance as everybody else in spite of the owner having a little fish sticker on his car then we might as well all pack up and call it a day, because America isn't America anymore. Also, the gays.

This is the next stage of the assault, and it is only beginning. Today, an overwhelming majority of those who belong to a religious denomination in America – that’s more than half the country – are members of organizations that affirm the traditional definition of marriage. All of those denominations will be targeted in large and small degrees in the coming years.

Will churches in America even be able to remain part of the public square in a time when their views on sin are in direct conflict with the culture, and when expressing those views will be seen as hiding hateful speech behind religious protections?

Just as in Canada, where hate speech laws force courts to discern whether quoting Bible verses amounts to violating “human rights rules,” giving up your rights of religious expression may, as the New Mexico judge put it, be just “the price of citizenship.”

I confess to being a bit stumped as to where the supposed drama is coming from. Preach against the scary other all you want, in your church and on the street corner, but if you operate a recognized business in the public sphere you have to conform to basic employment and anti-discrimination laws. Selling model airplanes isn't a religious endeavor. Owning a flower shop isn't either. We've now fully accepted that you may not discriminate against black Americans even if you have the "religious belief" that you ought to, and you can't refuse service to Jewish Americans even though they have not accepted your Lord and Savior, and you still have to let women vote even if you are of the "religious belief" that women ought to be seen and not heard from. We can't seriously be arguing that a business has the right to, say, refuse propane deliveries to an unmarried couple living in sin because arguing that would be Profoundly Goddamn Stupid, and yet that does seem to be exactly what we are arguing, when it comes to "does a store selling model airplanes need to follow the same employment standards even if the owner has a fish sticker on his car" or "can a flower shop refuse service to someone if they suspect those roses will be used to woo someone of the improper sex."

The Bobby Jindals of the world can claim religious war all they like, but they're still arguing for religious exceptions that they would not tolerate for religious groups other than their own. You can't have a decade-long frothing freakout at the thought that Muslims might want to follow Muslim law in America (Sharia! Creeping!) and then demand explicitly that Christian law be elevated over American law in the next sentence. Well you can, but you're being obviously insincere.

The only reason anyone is talking about a "War on Religion" is that the same group of people who constantly see themselves under attack from minorities, Muslims, feminists, liberals, the IRS, communists, the National Park Service, and every other thing have convinced themselves of it. Government is always on their doorstep, ready to take their guns and Bibles and make their daughters marry someone they don't approve of; if they didn't feel persecuted they wouldn't have any proper way to pass the time.

Originally posted to Hunter on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:07 AM PST.

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  •  Well, you know, I am a member of a Christian (12+ / 0-)

    denomination, the Episcopal Church in the United States of America, or ECUSA. It is, in turn, part of the worldwide Anglican Communion, the third largest body of organized Christians on the planet after the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches. Now, not every province of the Anglican Communion supports the rights of LGBT persons to marry or even to be (see Bishop Akinola) but ours does, along with the Anglican Church of Canada and many other sister churches throughout the world, including the Anglican church in New Zealand and the Church of South Africa.

    We have a couple of "cousins" who are in full Communion with us, including a very large one, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, or ELCA, that also is ordaining LGBT clergy and supportive of equal marriage rights.

    That is a LOT of Christians for LGBT rights and marriage equality.

    Gov. Jindal, I don't feel oppressed by ANYONE, especially not by you. As far as your personal religious beliefs are concerned, you are welcome to have them, and I am welcome to have mine. If you don't like same-sex marriage, don't get married to a man. Otherwise, keep your beliefs where they belong: in church.

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:16:34 AM PST

  •  I would like it more if they sold indulgences and (4+ / 0-)

    they were redeemable for cool stuff.
    Buy an indulgence and you get a vote.
    Buy 2 indulgences and your dog can vote.
    I can't think of any cool stuff that would be worth paying anything to Mr. Jindal and his posse; unless I could get them tolerance and love.

    "If you tell the truth, you won't have to remember anything", Mark Twain

    by Cruzankenny on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:24:18 AM PST

  •  One of the stations in the Seattle area has (11+ / 0-)

    something called, "The Men's Room". It's about what you'd expect. Guys being guys. Stupid guys. But while they do spout some out right bullshit from time to time they also show some brilliance. On their recent "No S** Sherlock!" segment, where painfully obvious facts are responded to with (the appropriately bleeped) "No S* Sherlock!" came the nugget that, "It turns out Christians aren't being persecuted in the United States. No S** Sherlock!"

    When a bunch of beer swilling, fart loving, loud mouths can figure that out and Bobby Jindal can't what does that make him?

    Food processed to be nothing more than simple starches with two dozen flavorings and stabilizers added to make it appear to be food isn't "food". It's "feed" -- what you give to livestock to fatten them up for slaughter.

    by ontheleftcoast on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:26:21 AM PST

  •  Kenneth the Page tilts to Calgary Cruz (3+ / 0-)
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    This is the next stage of the assault, and it is only beginning. Today, an overwhelming majority of those who belong to a religious denomination in America – that’s more than half the country – are members of organizations that affirm the traditional definition of marriage. All of those denominations will be targeted in large and small degrees in the coming years.
    Will churches in America even be able to remain part of the public square in a time when their views on sin are in direct conflict with the culture, and when expressing those views will be seen as hiding hateful speech behind religious protections?
    Just as in Canada, where hate speech laws force courts to discern whether quoting Bible verses amounts to violating “human rights rules,” giving up your rights of religious expression may, as the New Mexico judge put it, be just “the price of citizenship.”

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:31:22 AM PST

  •  It makes them feel more (10+ / 0-)

    like a real Christian of the old school if they can convince themselves they are being persecuted for their beliefs.

    OK, my co-worker's being able to get married to his boyfriend doesn't make me EXACTLY like Jesus, but you know, it's kind of along the same line.

  •  I'm on a busy schedule and don't have (2+ / 0-)
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    time to actually read the diary.

    But I hope that if I did, this wouldn't negatively affect my decision of being "this close" from converting from atheism to Pastafarism . ..

  •  Things were so much easier when Bobby was growing (2+ / 0-)
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    up.  Amurrkah was all tailfins and candy-red taillights, sailing along Route 66, white suburbia to either side of paradise.

    Bobby's worst fear was if he was gonna miss a camping trip for breaking his mom's vase, or if he could find the lost cat Pandora, and make it home in time to wash his smudged suit and stay out of trouble.  Nobody asked and nobody told that Bobby's dad was really gay, or that Bobby's mom was a virulent hater of gays.  Nobody tolerated brown folks in their neighborhoods back then either, you know people named Piyush.

    Please know I am not rude. I cannot rec anything from this browser. When I rec or post diaries I am a guest at some exotic locale's computer. Ayn is the bane!

    by Floyd Blue on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:55:56 AM PST

  •  Um...wow. (1+ / 0-)
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    The chutzpah is breathtaking.

    The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

    by wesmorgan1 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 12:01:45 PM PST

  •  If you ain't bein' persecuted ... (2+ / 0-)

    You ain't doin' it right.  For some Christians, apparently.

  •  You always have one line (2+ / 0-)
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    that makes me laugh out loud:

    "if they didn't feel persecuted they wouldn't have any proper way to pass the time."

    Amen brother!

    Blue is blue and must be that. But yellow is none the worse for it - Edith Sidebottom

    by kenwards on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 12:15:50 PM PST

  •  The comment he made: (2+ / 0-)
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    Today, an overwhelming majority of those who belong to a religious denomination in America – that’s more than half the country – are members of organizations that affirm the traditional definition of marriage. All of those denominations will be targeted in large and small degrees in the coming years.
    Does not (of course) take into account those who might be members of a group or organization and still disagree with some tenets of that group or organization.  Authoritarians never seem to take that into account.

    I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

    by trumpeter on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 12:16:15 PM PST

    •  I support Traditional Marriage! (3+ / 0-)
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      Think of how difficult it would of been to end wars in Europe without Traditional Marriage a few hundred years ago. I'm sure the King of France would of been desperate if he had not been able to Marry off his Daughter as part of the deal ending the war. How would Royal Houses keep the royalty pure without traditional arranged marriages? (nothing to do with love, ohhh the geopolitical romance! swoon)
      When I think of those child brides in Yemen, I know they are glad MERICA still has BRAVE CHAMPIONS OF TRADITONAL MARRIAGE.
      Sorry for my sarcasm. Jindal needs to stop drinking the Kool-Aid, even if it means a few more votes. Its hard enough dragging bigots on to the social evolution train without his type encouraging ridiculous prejudiced behavior.

  •  Canada does not have the first amendment (1+ / 0-)
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    to the constitution, so pointless comparison and an honest person would not have tried

    "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

    by merrywidow on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 01:03:03 PM PST

    •  Agreed. It is ridiculous. (0+ / 0-)

      Canada doesn't have constitutional free speech protections like the U.S., so the government can throw into jail for "offending" someone. Fortunately it is not the case here, where freedom of speech means freedom of speech, even if you're offending 99.99999% of the population (http://en.wikipedia.org/...)...

      And even Canada repealed Section 13, which was the cause behind most of the hate speech lawsuits.

      •  I've never understood this talking point. (1+ / 0-)
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        wiki's first sentence:

        "Freedom of speech in Canada is protected as a "fundamental freedom" by Section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms."
        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        wiki's first sentence on the Charter:

        The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (also known as The Charter of Rights and Freedoms or simply the Charter, French: La Charte canadienne des droits et libertés) is a bill of rights entrenched in the Constitution of Canada.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        I know right-wing Americans don't like hate speech laws but as a Canadian I don't like American censorship of speech on TV and radio; I tried to watch the PBS show about the National Theater of London's 50th anniversary but most of it was bleeped out. Talk about nanny state. Try American freedom of speech at the airport (you know which words will have you in permanent lock-up). Don't get me started on the NSA listening to everybody's calls.

        American "freedom of speech" is limited and so is Canada's. There is no reason for the limitations to be identical; their development reflects differences in the respective environments.

        •  America has stronger freedom of speech. (0+ / 0-)

          Canada might protect freedom of speech to an extent, but the protections aren't nearly strong as the U.S. In America, you can burn the flag, picket funerals of soldiers, and it is legal. In Canada, you can get charges for saying a word wrong about a "protected minority". Canada also allows parliament to suspend parts of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Quebec banned non-French commercial signs that way).

          If "hate speech" can be banned, then why can't the government decide to ban LGBT organizations from operating or maybe outlaw pride parades, as many democratic countries have done? Freedom of speech means freedom of speech, and I support the right of the Westboro Baptist Church to carry out the most outrageously offensive demonstrations.

          Here's what the ACLU says about free speech, and I agree with it 100%: https://www.aclu.org/...

  •  No offense to the more sane among (1+ / 0-)
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    the Christians, but, you have to admit, as a Pagan friend of mine pointed out, the central narrative of Christianity would be more than attractive to people with persecution complexes.

  •  what religion is jindal? don't make me google it (0+ / 0-)
  •  These Christians (2+ / 0-)
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    wallow in their persecution.

    2 Timothy 3:12  Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.

    "We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." Louis Brandeis

    by wxorknot on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 03:08:43 PM PST

  •  Bobby Jindal: Evil Version of Elmer Fudd (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Actually it is (1+ / 0-)
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    a good thing I am not in a position of power- the idea of forcing their daughters to marry someone of whom they do not approve is strangely attractive....

    I buy and sell well trained riding mules and American Mammoth Jack Stock.

    by old mule on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 04:36:01 PM PST

  •  Piyush and Poseur both begin with "P" (4+ / 0-)
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    Speaking of words that begin with "P," you never hear "Bobby" speak of Poverty....or Pollution

    In loyalty to their kind, they cannot tolerate our minds. In loyalty to our kind, We cannot tolerate their obstruction.

    by mojave mike on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 09:00:03 PM PST

  •  Interesting: (3+ / 0-)
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    David Broder, who was dean of the Very Important People (TM), anointed Jindal as a potential savior from our country's morass of partisan gridlock. But now that he's been in power for a while, his true colors are starting to show.

    "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

    by Eternal Hope on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 02:06:16 PM PST

  •  Oh, man, what a pill. nt (1+ / 0-)
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    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 02:08:00 PM PST

  •  I wish they would cut the bull and just admit (4+ / 0-)
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    that "freedom of religion" in their minds means the right to conduct a 21st century crusade (figurative or otherwise) against everyone else. And if you don't like it, well, clearly you're just a bigot.

  •  Their Actual Persecution Complex (2+ / 0-)
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    If they're being persecuted (is the thinking), it gives them license to do the same. Quid pro quo.

    Which excuses them being narrow-minded and judgmental assholes.

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    by Johnny Wendell on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 02:15:43 PM PST

  •  If there were a War on Religion (and (2+ / 0-)
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    there's not), I'd enthusiastically side with and support the side against religion. Definitely. I've always hated religion and though I've always clarified that hating religion is not the same as hating the religious, I pretty much hate the religious too. Maybe even more than religion itself. In any event, I think the whole thing would be pointless for us atheists because we'd be fighting against people who think they'll go to heaven if they die, while our troops would be willing to die under no circumstances. Also, the entire US military is rife with Christianists, so they'd have a serious weapons advantage over us atheists.

  •  Is this a great country, or what? (6+ / 0-)

    Here's how it works here in America.  Every three weeks or so someone tries to establish their religion as an official state-approved legal-like hup-de hopublic and compulsory my-way-or-the-highway path to the Godhead, and when someone objects, the religious guy says "the Free Exercise Clause guarantees my right to do this so fuck you, atheist scum."  This causes a brief silence, after which everyone usually bursts out in howls of laughter, says "good one" and "hey Slim you had us going there for just a minute" and then everyone goes home.  I believe the Founding Fathers intended it this way, especially Jefferson, who probably got a good laugh of his own out of the whole thing.

    •  I wish. (3+ / 0-)
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      But they use it to mess up other peoples' lives, not so funny.

      And did you ever notice how the "someone" always seems to be some flavor of Christian? It's never the actual minorities, let alone atheists, who try to shove their beliefs down other peoples' throats.

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 02:59:15 PM PST

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  •  Well ... I'm a Christian who supports same-sex (8+ / 0-)

    marriage rights.  And the rightwing certainly seems to be waging a rhetorical war against me.  Do you suppose Bobby Jindal would come to my defense if I asked him?

    I'm a Christian, therefore I'm a liberal.

    by VirginiaJeff on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 02:32:08 PM PST

  •  Jindal (1+ / 0-)
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    He looks like Alfred E. Neuman

    •  He not only looks like good ole Alfred, he also (0+ / 0-)

      sounds like him whenever he opens his mouth.  He adopted the name of Bobby in honor of Bobby Brady who would probably barf upon being subjected to Governator Jingles.

      When all else fails, try thinking!

      by edtheengineer on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 03:31:41 PM PST

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  •  The ones who cry about religion only want one kind (1+ / 0-)
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    AMENDMENT I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
    We all know the warbon Christmas is about ignoring the Jewish faith the falls around the same time as Christmas. But clearly they want the US to be a Christian in the southern Baptist sense. Congress should not be establishing or encouraging any religion, period.

  •  Bobby Jindal... (0+ / 0-)

    "...all religious freedoms are sacrosanct..." So...Free the pigs, every last one of them.

    "Obama inherited so much Republican-strewn garbage, it makes my head spin to think about it." Bill in Portland, Maine

    by wild hair on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 02:39:51 PM PST

  •  This is one of the best anti-religion, (5+ / 0-)
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    anti-hypocrite (but I repeat myself) diatribes that I've ever read!  Thank you, Hunter!

    I know there are exceptions/good people who are religious.  But, damn, sometimes it seems like there are so few of them!  Kudos to those of you who fit that exception.

    They don't win until we quit fighting!

    by Eyesbright on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 02:41:28 PM PST

  •  money quote (8+ / 0-)
    they're still arguing for religious exceptions that they would not tolerate for religious groups other than their own.
    and they are too willfully ignorant to acknowledge the hypocrisy/disconnect/insanity in that

    Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
    DEMAND CREATES JOBS!!!
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    by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 02:41:34 PM PST

  •  You know they're losing when (6+ / 0-)
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    they preach about how we are all going to hell and at the same time attack Canada.

    ...the GOP seems perfectly willing to hold their breath until the whole country turns Blue.

    by tommy2tone on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 02:44:00 PM PST

  •  Again.. I'm NOT Interested in the Propaganda (0+ / 0-)

    campaigns/efforts by the clownservtives which are continually reported on here; I need to know where/what is the well funded propaganda campaign by progressives?

    "It is essential that there should be organization of Labor. Capital organizes & therefore Labor must organize" Theodore Roosevelt

    by Superpole on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 02:45:07 PM PST

    •  Lol... (0+ / 0-)

      Reminds me of Orwell's response to the perpetual charges that Trotskyite splinter parties were "in the pay of" this or that person or power: "You'd think that if they were, they'd occasionally have some money."

      "They bash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn, Gulag Archipelago volume 3)

      by sagesource on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 12:45:12 AM PST

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  •  Jindally Cricket who™? n/t (2+ / 0-)

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 02:47:08 PM PST

  •  Huh moment... (2+ / 0-)
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    So the people of Louisiana, in part, voted for Jindal because they are under attack by minorities?

    Did they not notice that Jindal is blacker than Obama?

     

    ...the GOP seems perfectly willing to hold their breath until the whole country turns Blue.

    by tommy2tone on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 02:47:52 PM PST

  •  Another Hunter classic!!!!! (2+ / 0-)

    Thanks for the laughs. Humor has to contain a truth and yours is always full of it. (In a good way!)

    The Bobby Jindals of the world can claim religious war all they like, but they're still arguing for religious exceptions that they would not tolerate for religious groups other than their own.
    ...the same group of people who constantly see themselves under attack from minorities, Muslims, feminists, liberals, the IRS, communists, the National Park Service, and every other thing have convinced themselves of it. Government is always on their doorstep, ready to take their guns and Bibles and make their daughters marry someone they don't approve of; if they didn't feel persecuted they wouldn't have any proper way to pass the time.

    I think that Republicanism is revealing itself as a personality disorder, not so much an ideology." -- Naomi Klein

    by AllanTBG on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 02:49:58 PM PST

    •  Didn't Ray Bradbury.... (0+ / 0-)

      ....write a short story like this, where the black people in the South secretly save up their money and buy rockets to emigrate to Mars, and how devastated the old crackers are when they realize there will be no one to kick around any more?

      "They bash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn, Gulag Archipelago volume 3)

      by sagesource on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 12:47:40 AM PST

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  •  This is classic weaselling (7+ / 0-)
    Today, an overwhelming majority of those who belong to a religious denomination in America – that’s more than half the country – are members of organizations that affirm the traditional definition of marriage.
    Lots of people belong to, say, the Catholic Church but don't share its opposition to same-sex marriage.  Almost all US Catholics have used birth control no matter what the church hierarchy says about it.

    And, as usual, not a word about traditional Christian views on opposing greed, healing the sick, and turning the other cheek.

    I shall die, but that is all that I shall do for Death; I am not on his payroll. - Edna St. Vincent Millay

    by Tara the Antisocial Social Worker on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 02:58:20 PM PST

  •  This is where I have a problem: (4+ / 0-)
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    ...their (Christians') views on sin are in direct conflict with the culture, and when expressing those views....
    You have the right to express those views because of freedom of speech, not freedom of religion. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires any of us to listen to you, much less enshrine your beliefs into law.

    So you can't be a Christian because you can't make us be Christians too? What a bunch of bullshit.

    Money should be treated like any other controlled substance; if you can't use it responsibly then you don't get to use it.

    by La Gitane on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 03:08:04 PM PST

  •  Oslo Terrorist Ander Breivik (2+ / 0-)
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    Much like Liberal Modern states believe that it is their right to wage war on those that offend their concept of ‘human rights," So it is the right and duty of Christians to wage war on those that blaspheme our God and persecute our brethren.

    The church should centre its life, not around sacraments, or dogmas, (though these should never be done away with), but on the experiences and the cause of the martyred, and the oppressed, and suffering Christian......Christians should come together and study and support one another in tackling persecution and oppression of Christians. Theology should be rooted in the experiences of the persecuted.......When we, the cultural conservatives of Europe seize power in approximately 5-7 decades, we will take the necessary steps to eradicate the corruption which is continuing to plague the Church (both the Catholic and Protestant church). We must ensure that we have Christian leaders who believe in; self defence, protection of Eastern Christendom and the protection of Christians worldwide.

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 03:23:10 PM PST

  •  Can't Beef Producers Get In On The Paranoia? (1+ / 0-)
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    I think an imaginary vegetarian war on meat eaters would get the rabid going.

  •  Ah yes, let's have a Catholic-By-Convenience.... (3+ / 0-)
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    ... who "converted" in college, just about the time he decided to go into politics, when he realized being Hindu would be ballot-box death way dowwwn yonder in the Deep Sowth, lecture us all on religion.

  •  This ought to serve as a reminder. (1+ / 0-)
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    This ought to serve as a reminder to progressives and independent voters everywhere of the importance of getting out to vote so that our courts are packed with the same kind of religious extremism that would threaten our rights to be protected from those who are eager to impose there religion on everyone else.

    If you want to have others impose their religion on you then don't vote, because there are enough religious extremists out there to make sure you will have to if you don't vote against those who are eager to see our first amendments rights subverted by by their religious zealotry.

  •  War on Religion? (5+ / 0-)
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    Christian Fundamentalists are the ones f^^king with other people's lives. If you CFs would mind your own business, you'd find most others would leave you alone too. The "War" you keep yammering about is Americans defending their right to live in peace and tranquility.


    Apparently, darkness is not my only friend; dreary clings relentlessly to my arm.

    by glb3 on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 03:40:56 PM PST

  •  I have something (0+ / 0-)

    for Bobby.

    Will churches in America even be able to remain part of the public square in a time when their views on sin are in direct conflict with the culture, and when expressing those views will be seen as hiding hateful speech behind religious protections?
    Um, no. No they won't.
  •  You will be made to care. (0+ / 0-)

    Every month or two Erick Erickson writes a diary stating that once gays have equal rights, Christians will be persecuted because they might need to bake them wedding cakes. It's so predictable that I'm getting bored, but still: http://www.redstate.com/...

  •  Persecution complex (0+ / 0-)

    I think that feeling persecuted is essential to the Faith.

  •  When a Republican claims persecution (1+ / 0-)
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    you can be sure he's either afraid of losing his power to persecute others, or he's just trying to flim flam you.

    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

    by raptavio on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 04:09:05 PM PST

  •  Do we have to pay attention to Bobby Jindal....... (1+ / 0-)
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    Well, no.

    But the FP still posts stories about this inconsequential wannabee who missed his chance years ago.

    Move on.

    Be of good comfort, Master Ridley, and play the man; we shall this day light such a candle by God's grace in England as shall never be put out.

    by Bollox Ref on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 04:33:34 PM PST

  •  Bobby Jindal and Nikki Haley are two of a kind. (2+ / 0-)
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    Two peas in a pod looking to flim flam their constituents.  They would sell their soul to what ever god would get them elected.

  •  All part of the con game.. (0+ / 0-)

    "You must respect my beliefs." Even if they are perverted. And the bible IS perverted. Read it.

    The nation is finished. The sooner we admit that, the sooner it will get well.

    What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. SAM HARRIS

    by Cpqemp on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 04:44:54 PM PST

  •  RWers are tired of being losers (2+ / 0-)
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    That's the long and short of it. And since they can't win on the merits, then they are trying to reverse the tide against them by every dishonest power play they have at their disposal.

    It's pathetic, really. Losers.

  •  If the Xtians and their mouth pieces had any (0+ / 0-)

    common sense they would realize that allowing religious bigotry in the work place could be used as a discrimination against the very people who want to make it the law.

    I somehow doubt that even as bigoted as today's Supremes are that they would allow laws that allow only those who offend a small percentage of Christians to be the victims of religious bigotry but keep religious bigotry against Christians as illegal under the equal protection guarantee of the Constitution.

    Do they really expect their big business donors to accept that they need to rewrite their SOP to distinguish between acceptable and non acceptable religious bigotry and to be able to distinguish what a customer's particular version of Christianity is and to hire redundant employes so that they have one of each of the hundreds of Christian sects to work with their customers?

    Srsly, do they expect that to happen?

    Are they that stupid?

    Is that a rhetorical question?

  •  small correction (0+ / 0-)

    . . . if they didn't feel persecuted they wouldn't have any proper way to piss away their time.

  •  No, they are not 'insincere.' (0+ / 0-)

    This article says:

    "You can't have a decade-long frothing freakout at the thought that Muslims might want to follow Muslim law in America (Sharia! Creeping!) and then demand explicitly that Christian law be elevated over American law in the next sentence. Well you can, but you're being obviously insincere."

    The word you want is not "insincere."  The word you want is "hypocritical."  I would say Jindal and most of the other terrible people of his ilk are being utterly sincere.  They're just hypocrites who are too dense and deluded to see their own hypocrisy.

    I would not, however, want Sharia law to be followed in this country any more than Jindal would.

  •  I've never seen a war on religion (0+ / 0-)

    Except when some right wing fundamentalist sect tries to impose their narrow view on the rest of us citizens.  Every time they try that crap, they get a severe push-back.  Maybe that's what Jindal is talking about.   As long as all of the religions stay the hell out of the  political arena, there will be no war on religion.  

  •  Maybe they could all cram themselves into a (0+ / 0-)

    ship and sail to a new world.  Start their own government and create their own threia laws.  

    "To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medication to the dead." Thomas Paine

    by My two cents worth on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 06:11:37 PM PST

  •  Kudos to Louisianna (1+ / 0-)
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    They will elect you regardless of your race as long as you are an idiot.

    “He talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans.” James Carville

    by Mokislab on Sat Feb 15, 2014 at 08:48:07 PM PST

  •  I think these are all good points, but... (2+ / 0-)
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    RiveroftheWest, rocksout

    I think the latest stupidity coming out or Piyush's piehole has less to do with religion and more about positioning for the US Senate seat Jindal assumes will be open when Diaper Dave wins the Governorship.

    Toss a little Jesus into the mix and Louisiana voters seem to forget the low poll numbers and extracurricular stupidity.

    This war on religion bullshit is for in-state consumption only.

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