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Originally posted to Comics on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 06:50 AM PST.

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  •  +4/Rec'd. Pardon me while I vomit. /nt (12+ / 0-)

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 07:01:16 AM PST

  •  you mis-spelled it . . . . (13+ / 0-)

    Here, we progressives spell it "F-L-O-R-I-D-U-H".

    :)

    At least now Texas is not the ONLY national joke.

    In the end, reality always wins.

    by Lenny Flank on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 07:02:52 AM PST

  •  I know this is a terrible thing to say (8+ / 0-)

    but in Florida it's clearly open season on young African America males. I have never been one to back down from a political fight, but if I were an African American male, I would seriously be looking to get the hell out of that state.

    "Whenever a fellow tells me he's bipartisan, I know he's going to vote against me."-- Harry S. Truman

    by irmaly on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 07:09:47 AM PST

    •  Get real (0+ / 0-)

      I want to live in a world where someone like Zimmerman sees someone like Trayvon Martin standing in the rain and

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      and offers him a ride home.

      Sadly, we'll never get there as long as liberals refuse to admit that Trayvon Martin may have come back to beat the crap out of Zimmerman for daring to call the cops on him.

      Why does racism persist? Not because our parents taught us to be racist. It's time to look at what people do that causes other people to categorized and judge.

  •  I'm anticipating Hiassen and Dorsey's take on this (3+ / 0-)
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    quill, Meteor Blades, dewtx

    gonna be hysterical!

  •  The silver lining for global warming is Florida (8+ / 0-)

    Half the area of the state, and likely 75% of the houses, will be flooded by 2100 if the more pessimistic/realistic predictions about global warming and sea level rise come true.  

    Peddle your beach house to a global warming denier.

    We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

    by david78209 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 07:12:55 AM PST

  •  Another good reason to go to Florida. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 07:30:04 AM PST

  •  I will NEVER... (2+ / 0-)
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    rbird, chimene

    set foot in that God-Damned state again! This from someone who has vacationed in Disney World about 4 times! BOYCOTT FLORIDA!

  •  Florida is useless to me. (2+ / 0-)
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    Janet 707, chimene

    They've nothing I need, so they don't get my money.  It would be wiser to spend our money to get the good people out of Florida, and leave all the stupid behind.  Moving mass numbers of blue people to blue states could get more blue votes in the House, y'know.  It could even affect the vote in borderline red states....

    Proponents of gun violence own guns. Opponents of gun violence do not own guns. What part of this do you not understand?

    by Liberal Panzer on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 09:44:42 AM PST

    •  Florida's not *entirely* useless. (1+ / 0-)
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      It helps keep Ohio a tiny bit more sane during the colder months.

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      by here4tehbeer on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 12:17:56 PM PST

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      •  I prefer the colder months. (0+ / 0-)

        Republibaggers in Ohio tend to stay indoors when the wind chill's 20 below. I can go for a walk in the cold, and it's all mine.  I own it all --- the scenery, the fresh air, and people don't even go out in their cars.  They close their schools and businesses --- and the whole world becomes mine.

        Proponents of gun violence own guns. Opponents of gun violence do not own guns. What part of this do you not understand?

        by Liberal Panzer on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:20:48 AM PST

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  •  Misinterpretation of Stand Your Ground (2+ / 0-)
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    Here's how I see "Stand Your Ground":

    If you attack me, I have the right to defend my self by the same means you use. (Though frankly, if you throw popcorn at me, I am most likely going to leave the theater and get the manager because anything else would be ridiculous.)

    If during the fight, I kill you, I would expect to be charged, booked and face a trial by jury to prove that deadly force was necessary.

    If you decide to flee when I present deadly force, you go in peace.  Once you leave, you are no longer a threat to me.

    That's it. There is no other situation where I think "Stand Your Ground" applies.

    Because so many seem to think it means they can shoot first and ask questions later, I am now opposed to "Stand Your Ground" laws.

    •  Stand Your Ground was never needed (3+ / 0-)
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      dewtx, rbird, chimene

      as new legislation, except to codify sexist and/or racist killings, IMHO.

      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

      by wader on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 12:21:33 PM PST

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    •  really? (2+ / 0-)
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      actually you have the right to escalate the force being used against you to defend yourself.  but what if you cant fight? I am pretty sure I could beat my 64 year old mother. I am a retired boxer, 6'1", 225 lbs, and a male. you suggest that if I started punching her she should only punch me back? I am glad that she has more respect for her life than that and I am glad that she has the option to protect her life with her firearm.

      the reality is that there are bad people in the world.  that isn't going to change. stand your ground didn't apply in the Zimmerman case by the way.  not in any way. regardless Zimmerman had every right to use deadly force when martin attacked him. it is a sad and tragic episode certainly, I don't think anyone would argue that. however, the use of deadly force was justified in that case.  martin attacked Zimmerman and was beating the hell out of him.  but to suggest that stand your ground played any role in that case is ignorant.

    •  Close but not entirel correct. Stand your ground (0+ / 0-)

      (SYG) means that you do not have to run away when attacked.  Before SYG, often law required the victim to try and avoid conflict.  Since attackers pick slow victims, this was misused by defense lawyers to get off muggers and murderers.  

      Here is where you are slightly incorrect - if I attack you, SYG gives you the right to defend yourself appropriately, NOT with the same means.  Thus if I am twice your size, half your age, capable of breaking your bones with my bare hands, and threatening to do so as I approach you rapidly, you have the right to shoot me.  Due to SYG, you do not have to try to escape.  Your right to use a gun when I have none is supported by our disparity of force hand to hand (apart from SYG).

      Your 2nd and 3rd points are generally correct.  If you kill me, you should have to prove self-defense in court. If I see your gun and run away and you shoot me down as I try to depart, you should be charged with 2nd degree murder.  

      SYG seems fair to me.  If the defense lawyers (see above) misuse it, blame them, not the law.  

      •  Standard self defense laws apply here (0+ / 0-)

        Here's what I learned in my martial arts class (in Massachusetts), which is backed up by this page:

        http://www.relentlessdefense.com/...

        If you are assaulted (essentially threatened by someone), you must take reasonable steps to avoid combat, if possible.  However, if such steps are not possible, you may use as much force as necesssary to defend yourself, up to and including hurting or killing the assailant if you reasonably believe the assailant poses a threat to hurt or kill you.  My instructor phrased it as "do whatever you have to, and keep going until the threat is eliminated", which generally translated to disabling or immobilizing the assailant or knocking them out.  If it came to my using force, I would expect to at the very least have a very serious conversation with the police, and very likely stand trial and claim self defense.

        One interesting thing here is that this applies in the case of assault, which is the threat of force, and does not require battery, which is the actual application of force.  So technically, if I feel threatened, and I try to walk away, and the person won't leave me alone, I can let loose on them.  In reality, I would wait until they began to attack me - my martial art is a defensive one and our training is block-and-counterattack, never attack-first.  But as the law is written here in MA, as long as you try to get out of the conflict if it is reasonably possible, you are legally allowed to attack first and call it self defense.

        So the ONLY difference between MA self defense law and Stand Your Ground law is that one bit: "as long as you try to get out of the conflict if it is reasonably possible".  I find it extremely difficult to imagine a case where that last bit isn't necessary.  Either you had a reasonable way to avoid the conflict, in which case you used it, or you didn't have a reasonable way, and you can claim self defense.

        In the case cited above where someone twice my size and half my age is approaching me rapidly threatening to break my bones, I have no reasonable way to avoid the conflict (let's assume I can't outrun them).  So standard self defense applies, whether I shoot them or use my martial arts training to disable them.

        Why, exactly, does anyone need Stand Your Ground?

        "Males ae biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes." - Newt Gingrich "Some folks you don't have to satirize, you just quote 'em." - Tom Paxton

        by rsf1967 on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 06:06:33 AM PST

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    •  Why did Bush do it? (0+ / 0-)

      Why did Jeb Bush sign this bill in the first place?

  •  what is inside the "A"? (0+ / 0-)

    Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
    DEMAND CREATES JOBS!!!
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    by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Feb 19, 2014 at 12:28:09 PM PST

  •  I'll never live in Florida again, except, oops, (0+ / 0-)

    I'm stranded here to be close to relatives and not having money to live elsewhere now. Sheesh! That's dang unfortunate!

    Appreciated the cartoon.

    "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

    by Gorette on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 11:19:54 AM PST

  •  Leave it home (0+ / 0-)

    I have a carry permit, but have never felt I needed it.  Had the killer left his gun home, he would have a sour throat from yelling at the teens.

    I would like someone to have a major newspaper post just how many crimes were stopped because Capt. America happened to be there and started blazing away.  Don't forget to include the fratricide of people standing nearby.

    Instead we see young kids shoot themselves playing with unsecured guns.  Guns too easy to steal out of someone's glove box.

    Let me finish by setting your hair on fire.  The Amendment says a Militia.  A volunteer Army as the framers saw it and their distrust a standing Army, not this madness.

  •  Not all of us in Florida are gun nuts or looking (0+ / 0-)

    for trouble.  I don't have one, don't want one.  I live in Red Neckville, there are guns everywhere I look, but I feel no need to have one.  There are good people who are very upset about what is happening to this state, and not all are black or hispanic.  We all want Rick Scott  out of office, the sooner the better.  We want a good democrate.  We used to be a nice place when democrates ran things.  We miss Bob Graham and Walkin Lawton Chiles.  We want people like them.  

  •  A State where they Close the Overpass Lanes (0+ / 0-)

    to Miami during the height of rush hour.  New Jersey has nothing on us!   I have told everyone I think is a Democrat to VOTE out Bat Boy this coming November from Governor.

  •  boycott the murderers state FLORIDA (0+ / 0-)

    The state of florida keeps sending out ads to come an vacation in florida.They can waste all their money on advertising that state of murderers and bigots.People don't want to enter a state like that.so florida save your money,we are no longer buying .

  •  Nice Cartoon, but (0+ / 0-)

    you left out Rick Scott rolling around on the ground licking up all that blood, while laughing hysterically.

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