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Another day, another debunked Obamacare horror story. The larger problem with this one is that it's got the big bucks of the Koch brothers' Americans for Prosperity behind it, blasting it out on the airwaves in Michigan against Rep. Gary Peters, a Democrat running for Senate. In it, Michigan resident Julia Boonstra says this:
“I was diagnosed with leukemia. I found out I only have a 20 percent chance of surviving. I found this wonderful doctor and a great health care plan. I was doing fairly well fighting the cancer, fighting the leukemia, and then I received a letter. My insurance was canceled because of Obamacare. Now, the out-of-pocket costs are so high, it’s unaffordable. If I do not receive my medication, I will die. I believed the president. I believed I could keep my health insurance plan. I feel lied to. It’s heartbreaking for me. Congressman Peters, your decision to vote Obamacare jeopardized my health.”
At this point, so many of these horror stories have been debunked, traditional media has their radar up for them. This one is no exception, and the Washington Post's Glenn Kessler is on it, researching the claims made. First off, Boonstra was able to get a plan on the exchange with Blue Cross Blue Shield that had her doctor in its network. While she doesn't claim in the ad she lost her doctor, she sure implies it. She didn't.

Secondly, Boonstra herself told the Detroit News that her monthly premium cost had been cut in half, from $1,100 a month to $571. Her assertion that "the out-of-pocket costs are so high, it’s unaffordable," is hard to back up as well because Obamacare limits out of pocket spending to $6,350 for an individual plan, at which point the insurance company picks up everything. According to what Kessler found, all of the Blue Cross Blue Shield plans in Michigan have that limit. So the out of pocket expenses Boostra is facing will be almost entirely covered by how much she is saving in premiums over the course of the year—$6,348. AFP's answer to Kessler about all this is that her out of pocket expenses are now more unpredictable, and that makes it harder to budget. That's a fair point, and the uncertainty surrounding monthly costs would be upsetting for anyone battling any illness (though potentially mitigated by the $571 in savings Boostra sees every month), but that's not the message given in the ad.

AFP is being purposefully misleading using Boostra's story, and doesn't think that their ad should be subject to this kind of scrutiny, attempting to shame Kessler and any other fact checkers with this: "The reality of what she's dealing with is much more involved and can't be swept aside by saying, 'you have an OOP maximum so quit complaining about your cancer.'" No one is sweeping aside her illness, or telling her to stop complaining about her cancer. They're pointing out that she's saving enough in premiums to cover her out of pocket costs. She can complain all she wants, but it's not callous and it's not out of bounds to say that she's not telling the entire truth.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 08:36 AM PST.

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  •  These guys (Koch Bros) are starting to piss me off (27+ / 0-)

    "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

    by elwior on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 08:42:32 AM PST

  •  Local Radio Wingnut this AM.....'Oh the bad news (17+ / 0-)

    about Obamacare just keeps pouring in.'

    Yep....people are marching on Washington because it is so bad.

  •  Without more details on the old plan.... (26+ / 0-)

    Can we be sure that her out-of-pocket on the old plan was zero? Because the math that the savings on premiums would make it a wash only work if her OOP was non-existent. If there was any at all with her old plan, she's absolutely saving money on her new one. Additionally, the new one can't cancel her, and the old one could have before the ACA.

    •  chemo brain? (1+ / 0-)
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      Some types of chemo cause fuzzy thinking in some people. That's still not a license to flat-out lie, or spout things that you have no idea about on national TV.

      If indeed she really is a cancer patient -- at this point I wouldn't take even that part at face value.

  •  You know what's a horror show? (29+ / 0-)

    Graduating college with six figure debt. Having a crummy credit rating. Working for 1970 level wages. Overpaying for underperforming health insurance. Subsidizing our military industrial complex.

    We're told this is the American Dream.

    They've eliminated all of our chess pieces without losing any. We get a pawn back, in the ACA, and they want to knock over the board.

    I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

    by CFAmick on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:07:28 AM PST

    •  Thank you! My older daughter is graduating (2+ / 0-)
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      CFAmick, kfunk937

      from social work school in May with a $35,000 debt. And she tells me she's lucky because lots of her friends owe more because they had to take out loans for undergraduate work.
      Because she is a grad student, she had to pay the highest rates for the federally guaranteed loan and the interest started accumulating from the moment she got the money. (undergrads get a lower rate and the interest doesn't start until after graduation).
      But it's still a safer deal than anything in the private sector. And her payments will be capped based on her income. Considering she's going to be doing work that is known for its low pay -- that's very important.
      So here she is, better off than most of her friends, planning on devoting her career to helping others and therefore making less money, and still deeply in debt. That's just wrong.

      While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

      by Tamar on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:57:27 AM PST

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      •  Social Work? (0+ / 0-)

        If your daughter is going into social work, she may benefit from the program to forgive the Federal loans.

        •  yes -- we know about this and I keep telling her (0+ / 0-)

          that if she wants to benefit from this program, she has to make her payments on time. That's the catch -- one missed payment and the forgiveness program is no longer available (and she has to be working in an approved place. So if she works in some sort of alternative LGBT kind of thing, she may not be able to get forgiveness even though she's not paid much and her work is in service to others).

          While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

          by Tamar on Sun Feb 23, 2014 at 01:15:37 PM PST

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      •  That sounds wrong (1+ / 0-)
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        "Because she is a grad student, she had to pay the highest rates for the federally guaranteed loan and the interest started accumulating from the moment she got the money. (undergrads get a lower rate and the interest doesn't start until after graduation)."

        Unless they've changed the law in the last 15 years, that sounds wrong. When I went to medical school in the middle 90's, I got Stafford and Pell loans which were interest-deferred until graduation. (In fact, because residency is still considered "education," the interest and repayment were deferred until I actually finished my training and became a fully-licensed physician.)

        •  I think they have changed the laws -- we went (0+ / 0-)

          on line before she applied for anything and the rules were different for grad and undergrads.
          check out this

          and this quote from the same website:

          As of July 1, 2012, only unsubsidized Federal Stafford loans are available to graduate students
          which means the interest that accrues while she is in school is not paid for by the federal government.

          I had federal loans for grad school in the 70s and it was the way you described.
          Not anymore.

          While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

          by Tamar on Sun Feb 23, 2014 at 01:13:29 PM PST

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  •  even the budgeting one (13+ / 0-)

    isn't really going to hold water.  Chances are she can work out a monthly payment plan with doctors/other providers.  Most hospital around here wouldn't get paid at all if they didn't take payments because so many people are uninsured or underinsured.

  •  Advocates use their strongest argument (17+ / 0-)

    That AFP, with millions of dollars at their disposal, can't come up with a better example than this shows that no one is getting badly hurt by Obamacare, while many are being helped.

    Purity is for primaries; in the general, our worst are better than their best.

    by blue aardvark on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:18:36 AM PST

    •  This and "Bette from Spokane" (7+ / 0-)

      ...another bogus story that was used in the official Republican response to the SOTU.  

      If this is all they can come up with after months of searching, there can't really be much in the way of horror stories at all.  What there is is dislocations.  People have to get used to a new way of doing things.   That's true for any change you make, of any kind.  

      If you criterion is that no one can be inconvenienced in the slightest, you never do anything- never build a road or a school or a hospital.  Someone somewhere is always going to be inconvenienced (or think they are).  Humans are naturally conservative (with a small c) since they resist change to their established patterns of life.  

      •  What percentage of your co-workers (2+ / 0-)
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        blue aardvark, gof

        would flip out if they were told they had to use blue ink exclusively instead of black? A plurality of mine would have a complete mental breakdown.

        People hate change, period.

        I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

        by CFAmick on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:55:21 AM PST

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    •  With Obamacare being as big as change as it is (2+ / 0-)
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      shoeless, blue aardvark

      I thought that there'd be at least a few people falling through some unintentionally-created cracks (the <100% FPL marketplace subsidy hole being on the shoulders of those governors refusing the expansion, not Obamacare).

      AFP is just telling me that the best-funded, most vociferous anti-Obamacare advocates can't find a single one.

      Fake candidates nominated by the GOP for the recalls: 6 out of 7. Fake signatures on the recall petitions: 4 out of 1,860,283.

      by GeoffT on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:09:25 AM PST

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  •  You would think that dealing with such (13+ / 0-)

    a profoundly affecting diagnosis would reveal a lot about a person's character.

    Maybe it does.

  •  A liar is still a liar (14+ / 0-)

    with or without cancer.  The Koch brothers should be ashamed of using this woman's cancer to spread a lie.

    I am sorry Ms Boonstra has cancer.  If she could afford (and apparently loved) paying $1,100 per month for her medical care premiums = $13,200 per year (not clear what, if any, uncovered out of pocket costs her plan did not cover), versus her total Obamacare maximum annual costs = $13,202, it's not clear what the cost issue is.

    Not sure why she is going ballistic over $2.  Which I would be happy to send to her.

    Perhaps she has a budgeting issue, and I am certain that the care providers (her regular doctor) would be happy to set up a payment plan for her of $529 per month so that her regular out of pocket monthly fees = $1,100.  The same as before.

    The deal is that her money would go directly to the actual medical providers or pharmacists (the far right line on your EOBs that show what is still due by you to the providers directly) and not through the hands of Blue Cross/Blue Shield (as premium payments) as before.  I suspect her providers would prefer that.

    "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

    by Uncle Moji on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:23:54 AM PST

  •  Is this another situation where . . . (11+ / 0-)

    "if you're explaining you're losing?"

    Our problem is that the ACA was well thought out and is complicated and involves math.

    We'll ALWAYS be explaining it!

    "You don't have to be smart to laugh at fart jokes, but you have to be stupid not to." - Louis CK

    by New Jersey Boy on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:23:56 AM PST

    •  They do have emotion and hate (3+ / 0-)
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      shoeless, Debby, New Jersey Boy

      On their side. We'll never be able to reason with many of them, but we can prevent their poison from spreading.

      We need to simplify the message - for every one person they bring like this we need to bring 20 who are thrilled with ACA.

      Money should be treated like any other controlled substance; if you can't use it responsibly then you don't get to use it.

      by La Gitane on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:04:18 AM PST

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      •  Yes. And also, this will be less theoretical. (1+ / 0-)
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        La Gitane

        When people are enrolled in insurance through the ACA, their personal story will be what drives their opinion, not a story from a T.V. commercial.

        You make an important point about messaging and keeping it simple - for all issues, not only the ACA. The GOP knows how to keep it simple. They just make it simple and false.

        If we could get to simple and true, we'd have the advantage.

        "You don't have to be smart to laugh at fart jokes, but you have to be stupid not to." - Louis CK

        by New Jersey Boy on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:11:04 AM PST

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    •  I always hated that meme (1+ / 0-)
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      It's a bit of commonly accepted cant that has no truth and is disseminated with plenty of malice.

      A policy that is so simple it requires no explanation is, on the other hand, virtually assured to be hokum. Building a fence to address illegal immigration would be one example of this genre. But, hey, it sure is simple, isn't it?

    •  As opposed to the pre-Obamacare world, (4+ / 0-)
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      where health insurance was always so easy to understand?

      I get the political ramifications, but complexity is a given. As others have hinted, single payer is simpler. That's my go-to answer.

      •  All the current problems with the ACA (0+ / 0-)

        would have been avoided if insurance corporations were removed from the equation.  Even a public option would mitigate most of the problems, both real and imagined.

        Obama and the dems brought much of this on themselves by refusing to fight for a public option, enacting a plan that could have been passed by a President Romney.  They're just reaping what they've sown.  I can imagine Obama saying to Michelle "But why are they criticizing it?  I passed their own plan, they should be thanking me!"  

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 12:28:11 PM PST

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        •  I guess it's a good thing (1+ / 0-)
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          that the polling is improving for Obamacare. Few would argue with adding a public option in the near future, and positive response to Obamacare paves the way.

          And I'm pretty sure that President Obama knows two things:

          1. "President" Romney would never sign into US law what he signed in Massachusetts (different base to pander to)
          2. The right has zero interest in giving him any victories

          •  ACA is the vaccine against a public option (0+ / 0-)

            The health insurance industry is more powerful than ever thanks to the mandate.  No fucking way do they permit a public option, at least not in our lifetimes.

            "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

            by Subterranean on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 01:14:35 PM PST

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            •  Big insurance is wealthier with Obamacare, (1+ / 0-)
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              and thus more powerful. Thankfully, as Obamacare reduces healthcare costs, it will be easier to sway public opinion on the next phase. It's more like a trojan horse than 11-dimensional chess. Pretty simple, really.

              •  You realize that the ACA only passed because (0+ / 0-)

                the health insurance industry agreed not to oppose it, yes?  They will oppose a public option, and they even more funds to do so thanks to the mandate.  

                Congress cannot pass health care legislation without the permission of the health insurance industry.  Same goes for legislation affecting any industry - it will not pass without that industry's approval.

                "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

                by Subterranean on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 02:23:34 PM PST

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          •  Forgot to add, (0+ / 0-)

            Bush passed the medicare prescription drug benefit, written by the pharmaceutical industry, so it's not unrealistic to think that President Romney could have passed legislation written by the health insurance industry.  Seems quite likely, actually.

            "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

            by Subterranean on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 01:16:09 PM PST

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            •  There are easier ways (0+ / 0-)

              to benefit the insurance industry.

              •  None better. (0+ / 0-)

                A federal mandate is a dream come true for the health insurance industry.  They even got the federal government to pay for those who can't afford to fulfill the mandate.  Maybe Romney couldn't have achieved that level of subservience, but he would have tried.

                "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

                by Subterranean on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 02:18:43 PM PST

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            •  There are easier ways than the ACA (0+ / 0-)

              to benefit the insurance industry, but Medicare does play well to the base.

              •  The ACA would play to their base just fine (0+ / 0-)

                Get Fox News and wingnut radio behind it and it would easily have been enacted by Mitt.  The GOP would have embraced it as a free market solution.  It's a perfect fit for their beliefs regarding small government and corporate power.  

                Remember that there wouldn't be any teabaggers had Romney been elected in '08.  The money that established those groups would instead have gone towards pro-GOP propaganda efforts.  

                "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

                by Subterranean on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 02:14:36 PM PST

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                •  Several assumptions there (0+ / 0-)

                  Romney in '08 is a stretch. The right being behind anything close to Obamacare (at the national level) is a big stretch. There was (and is) no up-to-date plan from the right. What appealed to them in the '90s would have zero appeal today. If there were a plan then it would have no effort to reduce healthcare costs, nor would it bother with significant increases in the number insured.

  •  Obamacare (3+ / 0-)
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    dksbook, shoeless, Tamar

    We've still got the worst working class health care delivery in the first world, but it's a little better than it was. . .

    In every deliberation we must consider the impact on the seventh generation... even if it requires having skin as thick as the bark of a pine. -The Great Law of the Iroquois

    by BrianCricketRakita on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:24:52 AM PST

  •  The Koch Brothers... (12+ / 0-)

    Are fucking Death Merchants.  Period.  Somebody, MoveOn, DNC, etc. has to attack them PERSONALLY.  They are INTENTIONALLY misleading the populace in order to forward their agenda.  That leads to terrible outcomes for Americans as far as health is concerned.  DEATH MERCHANTS.

    “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck (Disputed)

    by RichM on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:25:00 AM PST

  •  She's lying and it's disgusting (9+ / 0-)

    I cannot comprehend why anyone would do that. Do people like this woman really want to go back to the good old days of insurance company denials for preexisting conditions and combing through your applications and medical records to look for any flimsy excuse to outright cancel your policy if you get cancer? WTF? That someone would be so callous as to cynically use their illness to score political points -- dishonest political points -- is mind-bending. Really sad and frustrating... pass a law that helps people and they spit in your eye for it.

    •  Perhaps this woman is not lying (5+ / 0-)
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      annan, Noamjunior, Tamar, Matt Z, kfunk937

      She may just be a simple person who isn't able to think things through for herself. Obviously, she now has a pre-existing condition that would render her uninsurable had the ACA not become law.

      The people who used her as a prop in this ad, now, they know better. They're the cynical, dishonest ones.

      •  Yep, dumber than a sack of hammers (0+ / 0-)

        I run into these people all the time in MI.  They'll rant about Obamacare, and when someone points out how it will actually help them, they settle down and say "well it's still a big government takeover" or something equally stupid.  Usually they do avail themselves of the act's benefits, but they never question the veracity of the sources that disinformed them about Obamacare.  

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 12:33:03 PM PST

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  •  i guess (3+ / 0-)

    if you give someone enough of an incentive they will say anything even if it might hurt them in the long run.

    save america defeat all republicans and conservatives

  •  This woman and others like her who assign (6+ / 0-)

    their pain to the highest bidder to do mischief with should be publicly shamed.  I regret her health problems, but everyone this woman knows should be aware of her mendacity and dishonesty in abetting this fraud.  Others would think twice about being used if they got a little rough road with their check.

  •  Let me guess (7+ / 0-)

    Like the wingnut in Spokane, this woman didn't go to the health exchange website since it was an "Obama website".  It being Michigan, controlled by the GOP, she would have probably had to use the federal exchange, right?

    "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

    by TLS66 on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:32:07 AM PST

  •  The horror is the Koch's spending so much money... (9+ / 0-) try to get people from getting health care.  

    They are among the world's richest families but they aren't using their wealth for good, for alleviating human suffering.

    I wonder if those good (pseudo-) Christians ever heard Matthew 25:43 and understand how they are the ones being condemned?

    I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me...'
    No, instead of using their wealth to make the plight of those in need better; or even just letting the rest of us live our own lives without their manipulative controlling and plots to inflict austerity on the 99%...

    They choose to use their money to Wage a War on Obama.

  •  I feel badly for her, but why did she let herself (7+ / 0-)

    be used and LYING about something that if she survives, will be the only way she could be insured in the future

    "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

    by merrywidow on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:35:52 AM PST

  •  the item didn't mention (5+ / 0-)
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    Aquarius40, shoeless, buffie, tle, contrariandy

    the large check this woman probably got from AFP for being a bad actor - the cash will undoubtedly help offset the costs she lied about.

    Too bad for her illness but that she's working for and consorting with traitors doesn't leave much room for sympathy.

    "Please proceed, Governor"

    by portlandzoo on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:36:08 AM PST

  •  The solution to this, and most any other (7+ / 0-)

    health-insurance situation, is Medicare for All... extend Medicare to ages 0-64.  Still waiting for the Koch Suckers to make this proposal.

    Sorry if I sound like a continuously-looping MP3 file [the phrase 'broken record' can finally be retired].

    This shirt is dry clean only. Which means... it's dirty. -- Mitch Hedberg

    by Greasy Grant on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:38:30 AM PST

    •  She'd be complaining under Medicare, too (2+ / 0-)
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      shoeless, Tamar

      Medicare covers 80% of expenses (although it does cover approved lab work free), and one of the things she complained about was that she'd have to cover 20% of a bone marrow transplant.  Not to mention original Medicare has no out of pocket maximums, although Medicare Advantage plans do.

      "Those who have wrought great changes in the world never succeeded by gaining over chiefs; but always by exciting the multitude." - Martin Van Buren

      by puakev on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:10:24 AM PST

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    •  There is that decided advantage of being (1+ / 0-)
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      Greasy Grant

      easy to explain.

  •  And what were her out of pocket (8+ / 0-)

    expenses before getting insurance through the ACA?  

    My husband, when he was alive, and I had covering for $1100 a month, and had to foot the bill for the first $6000 out of pocket (deductible) before the insurance even started to cover what little they did cover.  That part is missing from the story and would be interesting.

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:44:34 AM PST

  •  Endless. These Koch Bros. Ads will be endless. (2+ / 0-)
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    Sherri in TX, Aquarius40

    How long can these Ads continue? Until the $$ from the Koch Bros. runs out, and their pockets are deeper than hell. They are funding these lies with evil intention. All we can do, must do, is inform our friends, neighbors, family members that these Ads are contrived.  

    I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

    by KayCeSF on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:47:19 AM PST

    •  I think they dont care (1+ / 0-)
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      I think there plan is to flood the airwaves with a lot of ads. Doesn't matter if they are true or not. The overall impression is obamacare is bad. It's hurting lots of people.

      Corrections don't get the same airtime.

      The only hope is that so many are debunked, that the media will call them out on it, and people will start to tune them out as being untrue, and the Kochs will start to get less bang for their buck.

      Also the opposition can start asking the republicans why they are running false ads and why they aren't' helping their constituents. When the politician is put on the spot for lying, that will make more news than the ad.

      Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

      by Sherri in TX on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:02:57 AM PST

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  •  A little hard to understand what's heartbreaking (5+ / 0-)
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    annan, CS in AZ, Tamar, Matt Z, contrariandy

    about keeping your doctor AND saving money.  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:48:21 AM PST

  •  All they need to do (3+ / 0-)

    Is ask her what her max OOP was with her prior plan (if there was one). But I could guarantee that she had an annual/lifetime max that very likely may have kicked in at some point during her serious illness.

    She has a 20% chance of survival, but I'll lay money on the bet that, if she did beat the odds, her old insurance would not have kept up with her.

    The other thing that we need to keep up with is not staying on the defensive. It's more than just debunking their lies; we also need to show how much better ACA is. There needs to be a counter ad that not only debunks her story, but then talks about how much better her new plan is.

    If she survives, her old plan wouldn't have been there for her. Obamacare will.

    Money should be treated like any other controlled substance; if you can't use it responsibly then you don't get to use it.

    by La Gitane on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:49:58 AM PST

  •  Dear Julie: (11+ / 0-)
    I was diagnosed with leukemia
    I'm very sorry about your illness, and I wish you the best in fighting it.

    Please note that as soon as you got that diagnosis, your former insurer probably had an army of people digging through your medical history, to see if there was any way they could rescind your coverage for some preexisting condition.

    They can't do that any more.

    You're welcome.

    •  Dear Jim (0+ / 0-)

      I was paid $5 million to do God's work by doing this advertisement for the Kroch Brothers.

      They also agreed to pay my medical bills for life.

      I don't need to buy health insurance anymore.

      Obamacare is the devil's handiwork and Obamacare caused my cancer.

      I was healthy before Obamacare passed but as soon as it did, well the devil's got me now.

      Your delusionally,



      "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman.” - Arnold Schwarzenegger 2003

      by kerplunk on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 11:46:56 AM PST

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  •  So...let me do the math (3+ / 0-)
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    La Gitane, annan, contrariandy

    She's saving $529 per month on premiums now.

    That's $6,348 per year.

    Her maximum annual out of pocket is $6,350.

    In other words, her premiums savings cancel out all but $2 of her out-of-pocket maximum.  That's not even the cost of a gallon of gas.

    How is this a horror story, exactly?

    I get that maybe she could hit that OOP early in the year and be responsible for a chunk of change rather than spreading it out in premium payments over 12 months, but on the other hand, most providers are willing to work with patients to come up with some kind of payment plan.

    And, as usual, the question comes up -- what was her previous coverage like?  Did she have OOP with that plan?  Did she have coverage limitations that are not part of the new plan?  These are extremely important questions.  And given that her previous policy was cancelled for not meeting ACA requirements, I'd wager she was holding onto some kind of junk insurance, just like all the other "My policy was cancelled" horror stories that have been debunked over the past few months.

  •  "Not telling the entire truth"??? (6+ / 0-)

    She's flat out lying! She stats her out of pocket expenses aren't affordable, but the article clearly shows both her premium and out of pocket expenses will be nearly as much as what her old premium alone was. I feel for anyone who's battling a life threatening illness, but illness doesn't excuse ignorance and deceitfulness.
    Shame on you Boonstra!

  •  The only thing wrong with Obamacare... (0+ / 0-)

    ... is that it should have been a not-for-profit single-payer..., preferably to buy in to Medicare..., as long as Medicare Part D was changed to a government plan like Part A & Part B are, not the Bushista blueprint for the entire Obamacare fiasco that Part D is.

    Insurance, medical, and pharmaceutical corporations should NOT have been able to write this confusing legislation, nor should they receive such obscene profits from the medical misfortunes.  (Corporations + government = fascism, according to FDR & Mussolini, and the latter called that type of government Corporatism.  Well, the US is in trouble, then, because corporations have taken over LOTS of government functions..., including NSA).

    Yeah, I know.  For those who can't afford a thousand dollars a month and above for great health care "insurance" (and who, except gazillionaires, can afford that when it comes down to it?), Obamacare has been wonderful.

    I'm saying people will come to regret the fact that our Cretinous Congress Critters did such a huge giveaway to insurance, medical, and pharmaceutical corporations.

    Dear Cretinous Congress Critters:  Remember the acronym KISS?  The simplest thing would have been to simply have everyone buy into the existing not-for-profit single-payer system people are already paying for if they're working OR if they're receiving Social Security for retirement or disability (yes, Medicare payments are taken out of SS or SSDI before the remainder is deposited in one's account - we are NOT "mooching off the government" if we are on Social Security or disabled).

    So, how much money did you each receive from insurance, medical, and pharmaceutical corporations for your votes that will only make them richer and us poorer while their top executives receive obscene bonuses from OUR money???

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:01:22 AM PST

  •  If her out of pocket max is $6350 (1+ / 0-)
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    then she probably chose the silver or bronze plan.  We don't know the rest of the details of her situation, she apparently has 2 kids but it's not clear whether they're minors or if the $571 monthly premium is for her alone or for her and her two kids.

    But even assuming she has two minor kids and that she makes too much to qualify for premium assistance, if she chose the Blue Care Network (the plan she has) platinium plan her premium for her, a 49 year old, and her two kids would likely be $1,041, with an out of pocket maximum of $1500 per individual, $3000 for the whole family.  At that rate her premiums would still be lower than the $1100 a month she was once paying, but her out of pocket would be much lower - $6350 compared to just $1500.

    Not to mention, under the platinum plan her copay for blood work - one of the things she complained that she was paying "20% coinsurance" for - she would pay a $10 copay for.  Not to mention a platinum plan would cover 90% of a bone marrow transplant, at least until she reached her $1500 out of pocket max.  

    Or she could've chosen the gold plan, which would've been $732 a month with a $5100 out of pocket maximum.  This covers 80% of her costs, which leaves me confused because she referred to her current plan covering 80% of treatment but yet she listed a $6350 out of pocket maxmium (the gold plan has a $5100 max).  

    But given the out of pocket maximum of $6350 that she mentioned, it sounds like she has the silver plan, which actually would cover 70% of her costs.  In that situation she would be paying $565 a month for coverage for her and her kids, which sounds roughly like what she's paying now.

    In other words, it sounds like she took the silver plan because she will pay lower premiums but is now complaining about the increased copays.  But she could've opted for the platinum plan, which would've cost slightly less than what she paid for her previous plan that was cancelled, and actually have gotten very low copays and much lower out-of-pocket maximums than what she had gotten before and is getting now.

    Again, this is all speculation since we don't have all the info here and some of the info we have doesn't add up - she says 80% of expenses are covered, which would indicate a gold plan, but her out of pocket is $6350, which would indicate a silver plan.  

    And this is all assuming she is not getting any premium assistance.

    "Those who have wrought great changes in the world never succeeded by gaining over chiefs; but always by exciting the multitude." - Martin Van Buren

    by puakev on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:04:51 AM PST

    •  $6350 is Bronze, definitely (2+ / 0-)
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      and I don't buy the statement that all the ACA policies being sold in her state had that high an out-of-pocket. I believe the companies offering coverage had to offer at least one policy in each metallic category. I believe the maximum out of pocket in the Silver plans is about $2250.

      So even the reporters debunking this seem to have missed a major piece.

      •  $2250 is the max for (1+ / 0-)
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        plans for folks who make between $15,521-$17,325, or between 133%-150% of the federal poverty limit.  If this lady's income fell into this income bracket, then $2250 would be her max.  Of course, I'm not sure exactly what level she fell into given how that info wasn't provided, but assuming she was not eligible for premium assistance and she chose a silver plan, then $6350 would've been her max.

        Which is why I'm not sure why she didn't choose a higher metal tiered plan given that she was so concerned about out-of-pocket costs and appeared perfectly willing to pay higher premiums for lower copays in her previous plan.  She could've gotten platinum plan that would've cost less than her previous plan, would've had very low copays, and would've had a much lower out of pocket maximum.

        "Those who have wrought great changes in the world never succeeded by gaining over chiefs; but always by exciting the multitude." - Martin Van Buren

        by puakev on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 01:20:09 PM PST

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    •  Technical correction (1+ / 0-)
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      it sounds like she has the silver plan, which actually would cover 70% of her costs.
      This is not correct.  With the condition she has, a silver plan will cover well over 70% of her costs -- probably more than 90%.

      The 70% number that is quoted is an actuarial, the plan is designed to cover 70% of the average costs of the enrollees in the plan.  Depending on how much medical care you need in a given year, your actual percentage could be close to 0% (ie, you never hit the deductible) or it could be well over 90% (an expensive condition that causes you to hit the maximums early on).

      Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

      by TexasTom on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 02:02:42 PM PST

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  •  A useful and clueless idiot pimping for the Kochs (2+ / 0-)
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    laurel g 15942, buffie

    I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but the reality of the situation is that this woman is being used as a proxy for the Kochs. If the GOPers have their way, this woman would either not be able to get insurance because of that pre-existing condition (leukemia) and/or she would be subject to lifetime capitation and higher out of pocket expenses if she were lucky enough to buy insurance which would certainly cost her more than anything she obtains because of the ACA.

    •  Agreed, and since AFP loves a sad story (3+ / 0-)
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      dawgflyer13, kfunk937, contrariandy

      here's mine (or I should say, my late sister's). She was diagnosed in 2008 with a rare, incurable disease (systemic scleroderma). It took years to get a proper diagnosis, during which time she became too sick to work, and soon exhausted her COBRA benefits. Took more time to qualify for Social Security disability, then two more years to qualify for early Medicare. During that time, she could not afford the costly treatments that might have controlled her disease. She passed away last April, and she was my only sibling.

      So, no, you'll have to pardon me if I don't give a s*** about Julie and her sad story. At least she has a choice, at least someone will sell her an affordable health insurance policy with her pre-existing condition. She has Obamacare to thank for that.

      If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. - President John F. Kennedy

      by laurel g 15942 on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:49:18 AM PST

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      •  I am sorry about your sister (3+ / 0-)
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        I wish for her, and so many others, that we had been able to do this sooner...

        My g/f's mom was the same story... no insurance, couldn't afford the dr and when she finally went, she was diagnosed with colon cancer- which could have been treated if it had been caught soon enough. Her insurance dropped her and she died a horrible, agonizing death..

        I'm with you- the hell with Julie and her whining.

        You can get animals addicted to a harmful substance, you can dissect their brains, but you throw their own feces back at them, and suddenly you're unprofessional. -Amy Farrah Fowler/The Big Bang Theory -7.50, -5.03

        by dawgflyer13 on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 11:12:26 AM PST

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  •  I'm sure Boonstra doesn't have to worry about OOP. (2+ / 0-)
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    annan, buffie

    The Koch bros. must have paid her handsomely to go on the air and lie to everyone. What a shame that someone else with cancer may die because of her lies.

    Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfu*king snows on this motherfu*king plain!

    by shoeless on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:14:20 AM PST

  •  Is pathological lying covered? (3+ / 0-)
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    Brooke In Seattle, annan, kerplunk

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:17:43 AM PST

  •  A little help here please... (0+ / 0-)

    Is there a website that simply lays out what the points are to the ACA?? Note the word 'simply'. I have a close friend who is on Medicare and he also carries private insurance. I don't even know how to address that one. And he has an adult son with epilepsy and say his son's insurance was cancel and his drugs are over $500/mon. Do I even need to say he's a Faux News watcher??

    But I would like to know if there's some easy, simply access to information.

    Only the weak & defeated are called to account for their crimes.

    by rreabold on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:22:06 AM PST

    •  Some answers (1+ / 0-)
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      1. Simple answer on Medicare: If you are on Medicare, the ACA does not apply to you. Period. It does not even apply to your supplemental insurance. (And the Medicare alone satisfies the individual mandate for you.)
      2. Son needs to go through the exchange process as a single adult, not a dependent of dad. Unless he is mentally disabled, it wouldn't hurt for the son to do this himself.
      3. All of the options vary depending on the state, so what the son needs to do is use the website for his state. Or (even better) get on the phone or go into the office or find where he can talk to a navigator who can lead him slowly and carefully through the "minefield" that really isn't that complicated. If he doesn't know where else to start, ask at his nearest chain drugstore (CVS, Walgreens, Rite-Aid) -- in many places they are eagerly helping people sign up. Or ask wherever he gets his son's prescription filled.

      It is really not as complicated as people sometimes make it.

      The AARP website has a pretty good explanation, and Consumer Reports probably does too. If those are too "librul" for him, I don't know what else to suggest.

  •  Obamacare and real money (0+ / 0-)

    The ACA attacks show that while oil money is big, big, big the real money, going forward, is in insurance and healthcare.

  •  If her "great health care plan" was cancelled (3+ / 0-)
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    buffie, Gary Norton, Dirk McQuigley

    because of Obamacare, that means it was  a substandard health care plan. If she was paying over $1000/month for a crappy health care plan which did not meet the standards set by Obamacare, she was getting ripped off.

    Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfu*king snows on this motherfu*king plain!

    by shoeless on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:30:38 AM PST

    •  That's not why it was cancelled. (2+ / 0-)
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      catwho, contrariandy

      The cancellations are because many decent existing health care plans did not meet certain minimum standards like the $6350 out of pocket ceiling.  My own policy was cancelled because I had a $7500 ceiling and did not offer the free yearly checkup built into the ACA.  Instead of just altering these plans, the Insurance companies cancelled them in I believe an obvious strategy to cause an uproar over nothing.

      •  That was my point. (1+ / 0-)
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        Gary Norton

        Regardless of who cancelled her plan, like you, she was enabled to get a better plan for less money. And, as a bonus, she got a fat check from the Koch bros. to lie about it.

        Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfu*king snows on this motherfu*king plain!

        by shoeless on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 11:24:02 AM PST

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  •  Liar,liar (0+ / 0-)

    Why did that woman LIE?  It is an outright lie when you blame Obamacare for loosing a rotten,more expensive plan for a better plan.  Double talk and the right will believe anything bad about him.  Even when I'll some people cannot tell the truth.  Shame on her.  Not a very nice person.  Seems as if this is her biggest gripe.  She should be worrying about her recovery,not lying for the Kochs.

  •  And there is no mention of whether her old (0+ / 0-)

    policy had an out of pocket maximum and whether what it was. Kessler missed this critical point also. Would not be surprised if there was no limit or it was higher than the ACA BCBS policy.

    Further, affiant sayeth not. 53959

    by Gary Norton on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 11:26:01 AM PST

  •  I Don't Believe She Even Has Cancer. (0+ / 0-)
    Is lying second nature to you? Once you get into the habit, it can be very difficult to start telling the truth again. Lying can become an addiction like smoking or drinking alcohol; it provides comfort and becomes a fallback mechanism to use when you're faced with uncomfortable feelings. As with most addictions, quitting lying is essential to your well being. And, like any other addiction, the first step is admitting that you have a problem.

    "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman.” - Arnold Schwarzenegger 2003

    by kerplunk on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 11:28:06 AM PST

    •  Most of these people aren't liars (0+ / 0-)

      they stupid, foolish, gullible, and fearful.  They watch Fox News and maybe listen to some nutsack blowhard while driving.  

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 12:47:13 PM PST

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  •  The very, very good news in all this (0+ / 0-)
    At this point, so many of these horror stories have been debunked, traditional media has their radar up for them.
    We are winning the media campaign / narrative war. It's taken six months, but remember when the mainstream media were just printing and spouting whatever talking-point-of-the-week came out of the GOP or Koch-funded think tanks or magically appeared in some local paper?
  •  Well, now... (0+ / 0-)

    To be honest, she is out two dollars.

    Maybe that’s what she’s complaining about.

  •  I had heart surgery and two months later (3+ / 0-)
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    was diagnosed with prostate cancer.  A month after the prostate cancer diagnosis, my health insurance was cancelled because a Mitt Rmoney type investment outfit closed the plant where I worked.  Of course, just after heart surgery and a cancer diagnosis, and it being 2009 with no Obamacare, no insurance company would offer any coverage at any price. Of course, Pubbies were telling me how evil it would be for people like me with preexisting conditions to be able to get healthcare coverage under Obamacare. I can guarantee I am not stupid enough to vote for any Republican.

  •  Just Curious (0+ / 0-)

    I don't know much about this disease but I can't help but wonder what she has done about it for the past five years?

    I've always thought Leukemia was something that had to be treated immediately and aggressively, not with a daily pill like diabetes.

  •  It was their idea in the first place! (0+ / 0-)

    Assume that before she was paying $1000/month and faced zero out of pocket, and now she's paying ~$500/mo premium and faces greater out of pocket, with a maximum to guard against catastrophic losses. That's because health insurance- in the ACA exchange and in general- has been moving towards the conservative idea that if people face a personal marginal cost that is closer to the true societal cost for their health care, we'll waste less money on health care.

    I guess we've found out that the Koch brothers now think health care spending should be socialized. No other explanation.

    We spend over 8k per person per year on average for health care in this country, and a small number of people are raking it in making that happen. The ACA is making more people aware of what has been true for decades. Their anger should be directed at the health insurance companies and the AMA. If all these people would stand up against the health insurance companies instead of misaiming their fire at Obama, we might really make some progress on health care costs.

    No other country wastes their money on health care like we do:

  •  Hello, we're from the FBI (0+ / 0-)

    and the US Attorney General's office, and and we wrote up your ad from television into a complaint against the insurance companies involved in your exchange.  If you would kindly sign it so we can start the investigation and prosecution of those involved, we would appreciate it.

    What?  It wasn't true?  But you testified on television that this was the case.  Did you make it up?  Ah, you did.  Thank you.  Watch for your name and confession in the upcoming election ads for lying.  Have a nice day.

    Oh, why are we doing this?  It is the Christian thing to do.  What?  It says right in the ten commandments, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."

    ''The guarding of military and diplomatic secrets at the expense of informed representative government provides no real security for our Republic.'' - Justice Hugo L. Black of the Supreme Court

    by geekydee on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 05:52:15 PM PST

    •  You cannot testify on television (or on a blog) (0+ / 0-)

      It's fairly comical to me that in a blog as left-leaning as this, you and so many others would resort to a very right-leaning style of attack on Boonstra.  Now, I read most of these with some humor, to be fair.  If most of the posters here were serious, I would opt out of the Democratic party altogether, because it's not much better than the antics of the Tea Party folks.  I thought we were the compassionate party?  Apparently not.

      Everyone seems to think they are an expert in ACA rules, truth-telling, and now even this poor woman's motivations.

      None of this discussion is even germane, and is merely sideshow to what both democratic and republican lawmakers alike are  doing to help our country's poor, which is little to nothing.  We're sending money to governments that despise us, assumably for some leverage, but here we do precious little for our own.

      No Congressman, Senator or Federal Judge will ever have to figure out the complexity of this system -- it doesn't apply to them - it only applies only to us voters, a term that is treated with more derision by our elected officials everyday.

      (sorry, no trendy tagline)

      •  ...plenty of people actually do know the... (0+ / 0-)

        ...nuances of included. I explain the points of it frequently to my patients.

        The only people actually affected by ObamaCare fall into two categories:

        1) those like me who have businesses and are self-employed (about 4.7 million)

        2) those that could not get health care due to either pre-existing conditions or due to not being able to afford it.

        The majority of "red states" have refused to allow Medicaid expansion in their states, though it would not cost them anything BUT would allow healthcare for millions that can't afford to buy a policy.

        People like me lost their healthcare policy because they were so shitty they didn't comply by the 10 basic standards or even Medicaid. I got a new policy that is a real policy.

        I doubt seriously you are a registered Democrat. Your talking points show that you clearly are any thing but...

        Ignorance is bliss only for the ignorant. The rest of us must suffer the consequences. -7.38; -3.44

        by paradise50 on Sun Feb 23, 2014 at 12:21:20 PM PST

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  •  over and over, lies are the best they come up with (0+ / 0-)

    It's remarkable how many Obamacare horror stories are Fauxny scandals.  

    If it's that hard to find real, provable cases, it appears that few if any were actually hurt by the transition from uncontrolled health insurance profiteering to ACA regulation of health insurers.  

  •  As a woman with a pre-existing condition (1+ / 0-)
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    Boonstra falls into a category of people the ACA was specifically designed to help. Without the protections of the Act, she could have been kicked off her plan at any time, and she would not have been able to secure a new plan due to her illness. Or, she would have been discriminated against with exorbitant  premiums due to her condition.
    It's more than puzzling that she isn't getting down on her knees to thank all those responsible for passing the ACA, from the President on down.

  •  Koch Payoff (1+ / 0-)
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    It really irks me when I see this crap go public.
    Koch Bro's are 2 of the most evil people in the USA.
    Spew lies, in hopes "someone" believes it.
    And the GOP is most gullible and stupid

  •  SPOON FED FLOTSAM (0+ / 0-)

    This is just more of the same from the extremist conservatives who want nothing less than a fascist nation under their control. The one thing I can't seem to grasp is why so many Americans are ignorant enough to swallow this crap.

  •  Koch Brother Whore (0+ / 0-)

    In the first DNA case in California, a Berkeley Professor of Genetics, who was teaching the opposite in his classroom, and said that DNA proved nothing and could not be used as a scientific measure to show who left their DNA.  When he was cornered by a colleague for the prosecution, he stated with ease, "You don't know how much money they are paying me."  Most court " experts are court whores."  I studied to be a forensic psychologist, went through a year of training, and after two years quit because I heard so much perjury from my colleagues and other types of experts.  I did not want to be remotely in a pool with sharks, perjurers, and these God damned court whores.

  •  Let me get this straight... (0+ / 0-)

    Presumably, if her previous plan was canceled, it was not ACA-compliant, which means her new coverage is BETTER. Her total annual cost - premium plus out-of-pocket - is EXACTLY THE SAME? And she's complaining about this? Yet another Rethuglican exaggeration.

  •  Her previous plan (0+ / 0-)

    Had ZERO out of pocket costs?
    That's not credible.

    Liars get cancer, Julie!

  •  probably best to turn this ad against them. (0+ / 0-)

    "Obamacare 'horror story' is now in better shpee".

    This is the worst that Obamacare opponents could find -- a woman who claimed that her cancelled health plan put her at risk is now actually paying less for hear health under Obamacare than under her previous plan.

    Not only that, but she no longer has to worry about having her plan cancelled or her premiums being raised because she's now gotten sick.

    (Chances are that) If her plan hadn't been replaced by Obamacare, she would have been kicked off of her insurance provider when her current term expired.

    If she had ANY Out of Pocket expenses before switching to Obamacare, then she's now saving money.

    If she goes into remission and gets better, then she's saving over $6000/year.
    If she doesn't go into remission, then her old plan would have probably been cancelled, anyways, and with nobody else willing to insure her existing illness, her health care costs would have gone through the roof!

    Now statistically speaking, with millions of people affected, the Republicans should be able to find somebody who's really in worse shape under Obamacare, but - with all of the money and effort they've put into it, they've found precious few true horror cases.

    That this win for the sick is one of the Republicans'  worst case scenarios actually indicates how good Obamacare is for the average american.

    •  To make this clear (0+ / 0-)

      Right now, she's probably saving a little bit under Obamacare, with the same doctor and similar/better  coverage.

      If she gets better in a while, then her health insurance costs will be less than half of what they were pre-Obamacare.

      If she stays sick for a long time, then her savings under Obamacare relative to having her coverage cut off because she's now sick could be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

      She's now in way better shape under Obamacare.

      Obamacare 1 , Republicans 0

  •  Obamacare lies (0+ / 0-)

    These people will lie as much as they can in order to discredit anything which Pres Obama has accomplished for the general good.  All they do is bitch and moan and call names.  They have never come up with an alternative plan which will actually benefit people.  It's clear that they just don't give a shit.

  •  What a whore (0+ / 0-)

    this woman is... HOW MUCH WAS SHE PAID TO LIE...???

  •  Koch Bros. (0+ / 0-)

    Why would anyone believe these guys after all the fake crap they have tried to shove down our throats in attempt to make our president look bad.They are discraceful as people,much less republicans.

  •  Someone once asked me why I hate rich people... (0+ / 0-)

    I told her; "I don't hate rich people -- I just hate selfish rich people".  When you can buy 5 hospitals and 100 doctors to help you fight a serious illness, why can't you allow us serfs to have healthcare as well?

    •  all people are selfish (0+ / 0-)

      To some degree, and you don't have to be rich to be selfish, and selfishness does not always lead to riches. But please, tell us how being able to buy 5 hospitals and 100 doctors causes you to not be allowed to have healthcare?

      "Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%." - Thomas Jefferson

      by anomoli on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 01:08:51 PM PST

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  •  Exposure (0+ / 0-)

    Nothing makes Koch-roaches scatter faster than turning a spotlight on them. The press needs to press the  brothers on their syndicate of subversion. We already have the worst Congress that money can buy, but we don't need to also be ruled by a Kochstitution made of gold.

    The Koch boys are long overdue for a big, loud protest on their doorstep in defense of democracy.

    The Supreme Court should be another protest target, for putting the legislature and presidency up for auction.
    Fight somber marriage between government and greed!

  •  Debunking Debunkers (0+ / 0-)

    Article says, "Another day, another debunked Obamacare horror story."

    Maybe to someone's satisfaction, but reasonable people know it's not true.  For instance....

    "While she doesn't claim in the ad she lost her doctor, she sure implies it. She didn't."

    I saw the commercial and her point was insurance through the ACA is costing her much more in out of pocket expenses.

    So the article tries to distract by talking about lower premiums, i.e., "premium cost had been cut in half, from $1,100 a month to $571.", when the issue became the deductibles.

    "So the out of pocket expenses Boostra is facing will be almost entirely covered by how much she is saving in premiums over the course of the year—$6,348."

    You conveniently leave out the the deductibles have to be paid up front.  If you do not have $6,000 in the bank to spend on healthcare you will be unable to get the health care.  

    The other unmentioned expense are the meds.  My wife has Multiple Sclerosis and was on Betaseron injections every other day at around $100 a shot.  That is about $1500.00 each month, or $18000.00 per year.  Does ObamaCare policies cover prescriptions?

    It may work out as breaking even, but if you're dead, it doesn't really matter much.

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