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Senator Dean Heller (R-NV) arrives at the Senate Judiciary Committee Privacy, Technology and the Law Subcommittee hearing on The Surveillance Transparency Act of 2013 on Capitol Hill in Washington, November 13, 2013. REUTERS/Yuri Gripas
It's okay, Sen. Heller. You can admit it: it's your party holding up immigration reform.
From the "no shit, sherlock" school of headlines:
Nevada's Dean Heller predicts immigration reform will pass U.S. House if it gets a floor vote
Pigs could fly, if they had wings. Soda would be healthy, if it wasn't sugar water. Same-sex marriage would be legal in Alabama, if the state's conservative majority weren't bigots. You get the idea.

The issue isn't that the Senate bill would pass the House if it had an up-or-down vote, it's that House conservatives have convinced Speaker John Boehner to block it. So when Heller speaks at an immigration forum and says stuff like this following quote, he's just full of shit:

“And I will make this bold prediction,” Heller continued. “That when and if this bill gets to the House floor, I do believe it will pass and every member of our House delegation will vote for it.”
There's only one way to make this happen, and it's a discharge petition. So are Nevada House Republicans Mark Amodei and Joseph Heck willing to sign it and force a House vote? Heller is confident and feeling quote bold about the whole thing! But ask those guys? Amodei's guy:
“He wants everyone to know that as soon as a bill comes to the floor he is willing, obviously, to review what is in the bill.”

WOW, a commitment to "review" a bill? And don't even think about Joe Heck.

Republicans have blocked immigration reform. End of story. And that includes the Nevada GOP House delegation. Any attempt to paper that over with optimistic predictions and false expressions of confidence are pure bullshit.

But they can always prove me wrong by actually signing the discharge petition.

Ask your congressperson to sign a discharge petition. It'll only take a minute of your time.

Originally posted to kos on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:18 AM PST.

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  •  Grammar nitpick, 'cause I have to. (2+ / 0-)
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    skillet, ericlewis0

    "Soda would be healthy"
    --Healthful. Only living things can be healthy (or not, if you give them unhealthful things like soda).

    Topical comment:
    And he doesn't even promise to give the bill a good review.

  •  a rising level of Santorum brings tea-bag brigades (5+ / 0-)
    The issue isn't that the Senate bill would pass the House if it had an up-or-down vote, it's that House conservatives have convinced Speaker John Boehner to block it. So when Heller speaks at an immigration forum and says stuff like this following quote, he's just full of shit
    At the headquarters where Republicans are plotting their takeover of the Senate, camouflage netting hangs from the ceiling and walls. Military surplus sandbags are piled up around operatives’ desks. And an ex-Marine named Ward Baker rattles off statistics that add up to trouble for Democrats. “Our mentality is that we are at war every day,” said Baker, who as political director of the National Republican Senatorial Committee is helping command the 2014 midterm campaigns. “We’re here for one reason: to win the majority. Anything else is a failure.” link

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:30:54 AM PST

  •  Heller feeling the P*R*E*S*S*U*R*E!!!! (4+ / 0-)
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    annieli, ericlewis0, mconvente, Stude Dude

    Gohmert....not so much.

  •  I honestly don't think immig reform is the GOP's (1+ / 0-)
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    sole salvation the way they think it is.

    Especially when they've made it look like it's the last thing they want to do. Especially when they make it look like they have to be dragged kicking and screaming to do it.

    Because on every other issue, whether government should help lessen income inequality, on the environment, on wages and workers rights, on gun control, on issue after issue latino voters overwhelmingly side with Dems.

    So count me as saying that immig reform WITH a clear pathway to citizenship must happen, but at this point even if it does before 2014 I don't think it is the sole salvation for the GOP that some Republicans think it is.

    My $.02

    Regulate banks, not vaginas

    by MinistryOfTruth on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:43:35 AM PST

    •  if they get the Senate in 2014 (1+ / 0-)
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      The nation will get a really good look at Republican "immigration reform"... Right before Obama vetoes it.

      The Republican soul is ugly and every time it reveals itself the American people pull back in horror.

    •  i don't think immigration reform is any parties (0+ / 0-)

      Face it, the country is divided into conservative zones and progressive zones.  Many of the conservatives zones, like Texas, immigration is a day to day issue.  It is also a issue that generally ignored.  Except where the federal government enforces the law, like on the border, or in extremely conservative places like Austin, most say live and let live as long as everyone is trying to do an honest days work.

      In progressive places like Oregon and Washington state, it is not an issue.  Washington, for instance, is 70% white non Hispanics, a scant 10% of the immigrants that most people think are responsible for the destruction of good union paying jobs live there.  Is it really worth the political risk?

      To me the reality is that democrats can bravely go forward and take about immigration reform they know that Republicans will never go for it, and if they do it will be temporary fix where every now gets amnesty and then we start really shooting those crossing the border. It is like Obama deporting more people than ever.  What is the point.  When there are no jobs they just leave.  Why give them a state funded ride home?  Better to just issue work visas on demand.  If unemployment goes up because Aristocratic Americans are only willing to work if they are handed certain jobs for certain pay, so be it.

  •  Look like they are for it (1+ / 0-)
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    while making sure they never have to vote for it.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:56:33 AM PST

  •  The Bold and the Feckless. (0+ / 0-)

    Now on cable.

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 09:56:38 AM PST

  •  I signed the petition to my congresscritter (3+ / 0-)
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    merrywidow, Eric Nelson, bananapouch1

    but since he's "cantaloupe calves" Steve King, it's not likely to have much impact.

  •  Tell me again how Democracy is being served (0+ / 0-)

    if the representatives aren't allowed to do their job because of one guy?

    What's the difference between the Federal government and organized crime? One's legally sanctioned.

    by FrankenPC on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:02:51 AM PST

    •  It's not just one guy. (1+ / 0-)
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      There is not enough time for Congress to vote on each of the thousands of bills introduced each session. Therefore, leadership decides what gets voted on. In fact, Boehner wanted to pass some version of immigration reform, but he backed down after the vast majority of his caucus spoke out against doing it this year. In a way, democracy was served when 120+ GOP representatives spoke out against acting on the issue. The blame should go on them.

      •  Ahh... (1+ / 0-)
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        So you're saying there is an un-official vote that's going on behind the scenes.  By an unknown number of representatives.  Thanks for the elaboration.  Still, that unknown number could be a small handful of powerful corporate interests.  Democracy is still bypassed.   This strikes me as a pretty serious flaw in the system.

        What's the difference between the Federal government and organized crime? One's legally sanctioned.

        by FrankenPC on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 01:46:20 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Corporate interests actually support immigration. (1+ / 0-)
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          The Chamber of Commerce made it a top priority to pass some version of immigration reform this year. After Boehner introduced the principles, though, most members at the retreat were against immigration reform this year, and leadership decided to (probably) not do it.

          •  And this is the baffling thing... (0+ / 0-)

            Between immigration reform, and the untold GOBS of money to be made from sustainable energy capitalism, and paying a decent living wage, I don't get why anyone would fight it.  The people win.  The capitalists win BIG.  WHO'S fighting this and why?

            What's the difference between the Federal government and organized crime? One's legally sanctioned.

            by FrankenPC on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 02:55:43 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  This stuff works though... (1+ / 0-)
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    This place is an echo chamber, like Fox News, but with an exponentially smaller reach.  Everybody here knows this is a ruse.  But, the typical midterm voter (and that includes the latinos who vote in midterms) hears that and says,

    "Hey, he's not such a bad guy.  He's not a mean republican at all.  We can support someone like him.  And,...he doesn't hang out with blacks and gays, either, because while they're people too, they are kind of icky."  

  •  No Rubio to be found anywhere. (3+ / 0-)
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    skillet, mconvente, here4tehbeer

    BBB's prediction:

    If Rubio is going to be a contender for the GOP nomination, he's going to have to abandon his own bill. I am predicting he will do so, beating a full on retreat as opposition from the right continues to mount.
    The GOP's 'point man' on immigration reform wont be seen anywhere near it. As predicted, cowardice.
  •  The school of having it both ways (2+ / 0-)
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    skillet, Eric Nelson

    Same old trick they tried during the shutdown.

    "If you are cast on a desert island with only a screwdriver, a hatchet, and a chisel to make a boat...go make the best one you can. It would be better if you had a saw, but you haven't." T.Roosevelt on politics.

    by NCJan on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:09:30 AM PST

  •  I Hate to Say This (2+ / 0-)
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    Noisy Democrat, Stude Dude

    I don't support this bill in its current form and am glad Bohner is holding it up.  Why, how many more H1B Visas does it authorize and it does nothing to stop corporations from hiring overseas before looking to hire someone here in the US.  NO NO NO MORE.  To many jobs are being lost now.

    •  It introduces safeguards. (0+ / 0-)

      H1Bs will get freedom to change jobs, and they will need to be paid higher wages. Their spouses will get work authorization eliminating another criticized aspect of the program In any case, why are so concerned about H1Bs? The number of illegal immigrants who will get RPI status is far larger.

  •  Mandatory E-Verify (2+ / 0-)
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    merrywidow, Noisy Democrat

    with strict penalties for employers who hire illegals, and that ALL hires are screened, is the ONLY reform we need. 1986 showed us that amnesty does not work.

  •  WHAT a commitment from a Congressman! (0+ / 0-)
    [A]s soon as a bill comes to the floor he is willing, obviously, to review what is in the bill.
    Gosh, is an immigration bill unlike all the other bills floating around, that he doesn't review? Must it come to the floor to get a review? Does "review" mean he will actually read the bill? The whole bill?

    That will surely take time. Statutory language is often not easy to read and parse and, you know, figure out where it goes in the books.

    But Hey, it's a first step in .. a ... looong ..... journey.

    2014 is HERE. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

    by TRPChicago on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:33:43 AM PST

  •  Anti-democratic to block a vote. not only do they (0+ / 0-)

    need a majority, they need a majority of only THEM

    this is wrong and not how the country is supposed to be run

    "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

    by merrywidow on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:36:50 AM PST

    •  What about TPA? (0+ / 0-)

      Would the senate get 50 or 60+ votes if Reid brought it to the floor? Interestingly enough back in 2008 Boehner attacked Pelosi for refusing to vote on energy bills that were arguably supported by 218 representatives, but not by most Democrats.

      This shows one thing: someone has to decide what is debated on the floor, and leadership has that authority. There is simply not enough time for Congress to debate each of the 10,000 bills introduced every session.

  •  How is this for bad grammar? (0+ / 0-)

    If we did something , the we would have did it. Since we aint did it nothing's getting did. Did everybody get that. Benghazi, Obamacare, Brown people, words and stuff. Vote for me. I'm a did doer.

    “He talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans.” James Carville

    by Mokislab on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 10:38:28 AM PST

  •  Leadership controls the floor. (0+ / 0-)

    No bills can reach the floor if Boehner/Cantor etc. do not want them to be voted on. For a bill to be considered, it usually needs to be supported by a majority of the majority. In other words, H.R. 15 will never make it to the floor of the House (same with ENDA, minimum wage, and other issues).

    If Romney was president now but reid was still majority leader, the Senate wouldn't be passing Medicare premium support, $5 trillion tax cuts etc.

  •  I remember back in school (0+ / 0-)

    if I'd needed to stand with a boehner I'd have been mortified.

    There, I made the comment so none of you have too..

    Nicht durch Zorn, sondern durch Lachen tödtet man. ~Nietzsche

    by somewierdguy on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 12:05:04 PM PST

  •   There is a Bill S. 744 sitting now in the.. (0+ / 0-) waiting on a vote.  
    S. 744: Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act

    petition previous/y signed and sent.

    Yes, let's Discharge Petition the RWNJ's' til their heads spin off there necks trying to fend off what the majority of Americans want done.

    Keep em busy chasing their tail

    Anti immigration is withering the GOP down an exposing them as what they've long been - suckers - a party of bigots (and worse) deluded into supporting their own subjugation

    •  You probably won't find a single R supporting it. (0+ / 0-)

      H.R. 15 (almost the same as the Senate bill) got just three Republican cosponsors, and needless to say, cosponsoring a bill isn't nearly as radical as signing a discharge petition.

  •  So Boehner's Koch-blocking? (0+ / 0-)

    Signature (this will be attached to your comments)

    by here4tehbeer on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 01:02:04 PM PST

    •  By the way... (0+ / 0-)

      What do the Koch brothers think of immigration?

      •  Depends on what nets them the most votes. (0+ / 0-)

        I believe their "opinion" boils down to what they can do to most excite the base voters they desperately need while least alienating the Hispanic voters they desperately need.

        So ALEC can be behind things like AZ's SB 1070 while AFP is simultaneously tongue-bathing Marco Rubio.

        When you have that much money you can bet on Black, Red, plus all the numbers on the wheel.

        Signature (this will be attached to your comments)

        by here4tehbeer on Thu Feb 20, 2014 at 02:47:11 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Liberals voting against their own economic interes (0+ / 0-)

    You know that high tech job you hoped to get after college? Sorry, it's going to someone from another country. But have fun in your new career at Walmart.
    Sec. 4101. Market-based H-1B Visa limits.

    Silly liberals. So busy trying to be nice to people who broke into out country, you can't even figure out this "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" isn't about helping poor, dewy-eyed farm hands. It's mostly just a new way to let companies bring in millions of immigrants to suppress wages and take away white collar jobs from Americans.


  •  Pelosi leads the largest cohesive block in the (0+ / 0-)

    House of Representatives.  On immigration, she should take the lead, round up the signatures for a discharge petition, and force a vote.

    We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

    by david78209 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 04:33:24 PM PST

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