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House Speaker John Boehner makes a brief statement to the media at the Capitol in Washington December 19, 2012. REUTERS
Okay, I know you're not exactly shocked to learn that Republicans are attacking President Obama, because that's pretty much what Republicans do. But now that President Obama has walked away from his 2013 budget proposal to cut Social Security, this is the kind of attack that Democrats should embrace:
President Obama is under fire from Republicans for backtracking on proposed Social Security and other benefit cuts in his upcoming budget proposal. [...]

“This reaffirms what has become all too apparent: the president has no interest in doing anything, even modest, to address our looming debt crisis,” House Speaker John Boehner’s spokesman Brendan Buck said in a statement.

Compare that attack to this one last year from Oregon Rep. Greg Walden, the chairman of the House GOP's campaign committee:
The budget really lays out kind of a shocking attack on seniors.
And:
Well, once again, you're trying to balance this budget on the backs of seniors and I just think it's not the right way to go.
The point is, no matter what you do, Republicans will attack. So you might as well do the right thing and let them attack you for it. And when their attack is as dumb as this one, maybe you should offer to lend them some money for an ad so they can put in on television.

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  •  And maybe they'll let Ted or Sarah star (10+ / 0-)

    in the commercial for the comic relief.

    I am Joe's Steven......

    by Joes Steven on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 09:49:42 AM PST

  •  Patience Please (3+ / 0-)
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    sfcouple, JVolvo, Subterranean
    "This reaffirms what has become all too apparent: the president has no interest in doing anything, even modest, to address our looming debt crisis,” House Speaker John Boehner’s spokesman Brendan Buck said in a statement.
    First, what debt crisis would that be?  The "on budget" deficit decreased every year during President Obama's term in office.

    Second, Republicans need only be patient.  President Obama will come around and bargain away elderly security if the price is right and maybe if it isn't.

    A president of any party calling for Social Security benefit cuts is a ____!  (Fill in the blank.)

    If I was a communist, rich men would fear me...And the opposite applies. The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

    by stewarjt on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 09:49:51 AM PST

    •  He Already "Came Around." (0+ / 0-)

      GOP opportunity blown.

      So what if it is still "on the table?"

      Hell, it was actually in the budget and GOP did nothing!

      Go complain about something else.

      I'm a "right-wing freak show," or at least that's what one nobody on DKOS seems to think.

      by kefauver on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 12:59:50 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  What's even more sad? It doesn't matter. (9+ / 0-)

    The President can propose anything he wants, budget-wise. He can't PASS BUDGETS. He could propose we spend the entirety of the budgets on tiddlywinks and gymnastics competitions, or even something sillier than that. It doesn't matter. Congress passes budgets, not the President, and even the brain-dead idiots in there now wouldn't pass the tiddlywinks budget if the President proposed it now till the end of all life on this planet.

  •  especially since it's still on the table! (3+ / 0-)
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    chrississippi, JVolvo, TJ

    http://www.usatoday.com/...

    Though Obama will drop what is known as "chained CPI (Consumer Price Index)," what amounts to a reduced calculation of inflation to benefits, in his 2015 budget, it remains on the table if grand bargain talks with Congress ever continue, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Thursday.

    Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. --Edward Abbey

    by greenbastard on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 09:53:11 AM PST

    •  Pfft. You believe this "White House spokesman"? (4+ / 0-)

      What does he know?  You don't know what's in POTUS' heart!!1

      This is just one maneuver in a Grand Bargain Trap for Repugs and mean Lefties.
      -----------

      I Do Agree 100% with Jed on this:

      The point is, no matter what you do, Republicans will attack. So you might as well do the right thing and let them attack you for it.
      Why is this concept so effing hard for current Dem leadership?
      (that's a rhetorical question)

      "But I do apologize, JVolvo, for you are arbiter of all that can and cannot be discussed and I bow down to your supremacy when it comes to what can be written on this website." WinSmith 1/22/2014 - "OK" JVolvo 1/23/2014 (sorry, Clive)

      by JVolvo on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:12:39 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  agreed (1+ / 0-)
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        JVolvo

        Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. --Edward Abbey

        by greenbastard on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:15:44 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  The Dems need to fly into serious attack mode. (3+ / 0-)
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        greenbastard, TRPChicago, JVolvo

        The time is right to show the public via TV ads just how ridiculous the Rs are.  We just might be able to take back the House and keep the Senate if we do.  If we remain silent, we will be seen as the fools we sometimes are.  Social Security is always a winner if you want to keep it or raise it.  Cuts are losers, and we need to campaign on that.

        Putting the fun back in dysfunctional.

        by hawkseye on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:18:55 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Yep, kick these cruel, greedy bastards from now (0+ / 0-)

          through Tues Nov 8th...2016!!

          Don't repeat 2010's milquetoast, embarrassed/evasive campaign re PPACA.  Its a success NOW.  Don't dilute our brand with more Austerity bullshit.  Grab Repugs by the throat because they will lie and deceive about Dems No Matter What We Do.

          Might as well go for the Gold!   :o)

          "But I do apologize, JVolvo, for you are arbiter of all that can and cannot be discussed and I bow down to your supremacy when it comes to what can be written on this website." WinSmith 1/22/2014 - "OK" JVolvo 1/23/2014 (sorry, Clive)

          by JVolvo on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 11:38:22 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Oh Noes! (0+ / 0-)

      It went from in the budget, to "still on the table!"

      So what? The idea is still moving backwards and looking even less like a reality now.

      I'm a "right-wing freak show," or at least that's what one nobody on DKOS seems to think.

      by kefauver on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 01:02:23 PM PST

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  •  This is not an attack. It's an assist. (4+ / 0-)
  •  Has anyone ever asked these assholes how (1+ / 0-)
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    JVolvo

    SS is such a problem when it has its own budget(whatever) stream and it does not affect the damn budget?

    Screw it- I can't think today- long week.

    This "Trickle Down" thing has turned out to be somebody pissing on my leg and tellin' me it's rainin'.

    by swtexas on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 09:53:57 AM PST

  •  What's the over/under on "uppity"? (6+ / 0-)

    Nothing, and I mean nothing, pisses off GOPers more than the black man in the White House telling them to piss off.

  •  Jedi mind meld. nt (1+ / 0-)
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  •  The GOP Has No Reason To Exist Except To (2+ / 0-)
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    JVolvo, 88kathy

    attack democrats.  The GOP is the party of no, and no good ideas or any good legislation except to take away rights from women, and minorities.  Even people with disabilities are not safe with the tea baggers.

    "Don't Let Them Catch You With Your Eyes Closed"

    by rssrai on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 09:59:16 AM PST

  •  Chop SS and alienate your bluehair base???! (3+ / 0-)
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    joe from Lowell, TKO333, MikePhoenix

    PLEASE PROCEED, GOPBAGGERS!!!!

    •  Yeah, notice how Obama never ran on CPI. (1+ / 0-)
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      Shawn87

      He may have used it as a strategy in various showdowns, but when election time came, he wasn't out there bragging about it, or going after Republicans for not doing it.

      Contemporary Republicans are really terrible at politics.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:16:26 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  they wont be punished (0+ / 0-)

        Fox News calls CCPI a "trim". That framing, plus the fact that Republicans are supporting it, is going to be interpreted as "it cuts benefits for those people".

        It really amazes me that the Republicans couldn't get their crap together enough to take Obama up on his Grand Bargain offers. They were really once-in-a-lifetime deals.

        •  They'll be punished if it actually goes through. (0+ / 0-)

          Fox News can say whatever it wants, but people on Social Security would notice and be pissed off. There's a reason it's the third rail.

          The deals Obama offered may seem like once-in-a-lifetime deals to you and me, but to Republicans, the idea of supporting a tax hike on rich people would be like us being asked to sign onto a deal repealing the Civil Rights Act. It goes right to the core of who they are.

          Art is the handmaid of human good.

          by joe from Lowell on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 11:18:07 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  This is what I've been telling my Congresscritters (4+ / 0-)
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    annan, JVolvo, TKO333, here4tehbeer

    for a decade now

    no matter what you do, Republicans will attack. So you might as well do the right thing and let them attack you for it.
    You are already paying for "progressive" positions even if you don't hold them and your constituents want you to take these positions, you might as well do it!

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:03:30 AM PST

    •  Yep, the tv adds will show your Dem rep X reading (2+ / 0-)
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      CwV, 88kathy

      Marx and the Koran with Pelosi and Jane Fonda.

      Might as well make some progress for the people, the insane attacks are coming anyway.

      "But I do apologize, JVolvo, for you are arbiter of all that can and cannot be discussed and I bow down to your supremacy when it comes to what can be written on this website." WinSmith 1/22/2014 - "OK" JVolvo 1/23/2014 (sorry, Clive)

      by JVolvo on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:17:16 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Thank you (0+ / 0-)

      As a liberal I hate that Democrat's apparent position is "if I fight them then I am fighting them"
      We have to fight. It would be like saying during WW2, If we attack Japan we are as bad as them.
      Attack me for protecting the weak and the poor and hungry. Attack me for saying racism is wrong. Geez grow a set.

      “He talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans.” James Carville

      by Mokislab on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:29:33 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  The question isn't whether Repubs will attack. (2+ / 0-)
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    brooklynbadboy, TKO333

    The question is whether those attacks will work.

    The earlier attacks failed because "He made a proposal in some negotiations that my party supports but it didn't do anywhere because...." is too inside baseball. Attacking someone for something said in negotiations that don't accomplish anything means nothing to people who aren't already political junkies who have made up their minds.

    These attacks will fail for the same reason, because nobody actually gives a damn about the deficit.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:14:31 AM PST

  •  Boy, the GOP are pieces of work, aren't they? (0+ / 0-)

    You gotta love people that dimwitted (well, you don't...but you know what I mean).

    Who the fuck is the GOP's strategic brain? George of The Jungle? This is their attack plan?:

    "Hey...y'know who gets to the polls like goddamn clockwork? Seniors. Yep...so...let's attack the President for doing stuff that seniors really, really like! What could possibly go wrong with that, amirite?"
    Hey...GOP assholes; I notice you're digging a grave...lemme give you a hand there. Hey, no problem at all; just being neighborly.

    Lightly Seared On The Reality Grill

    by Retroactive Genius on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:18:00 AM PST

  •  This is why it is pointless to try and 11th (2+ / 0-)
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    kovie, TJ

    dimension your way out of a GOP attack. The GOP will attack you EVEN IF YOU PROPOSE THEIR OWN PLATFORM. This is who they are. It is what they do. No matter what Democrats do or propose, no Republican will ever agree to it. So it is pointless to try and agree with them on anything.

    We have but one alternative: beat them. Until we beat them, STAND PAT.

    •  But we did beat them, and we beat with O's tactics (2+ / 0-)
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      NedSparks, doroma

      Take a look at public support for the Republicans over the course of 2010-2012. Take a look at when their numbers nosedive - it's the 2011 debt ceiling showdown.

      You think that happened by accident?

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:28:18 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  ??? (2+ / 0-)
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        sweatyb, TJ

        I see GOP elected officials in state houses from coast to coast doing crazy shit and gerrymandered House that is going to take another 8 years to dislodge. Those are numbers. I have no idea what numbers you're talking about.

        Not even the Administration is defending the 2011 debt showdown. The president himself said it was awful, it would never happen again, and showed everyone who advocated it the door.

        You can't possibly be coming to the defense of that debacle.

        •  State houses? The comment was about Congress. (2+ / 0-)
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          joe from Lowell, doroma

          The Republican congress has seen their favorable numbers destroyed since the President came into office.

        •  You have no idea what polling numbers are? Um ok. (0+ / 0-)

          Here are the numbers I'm talking about:

          The CNN poll found that John Boehner’s approval rating has fallen off a cliff. In July, Boehner had a 43% favorable rating and a 32% unfavorable rating, (net +11). After the debt ceiling debacle the numbers have reversed. Boehner now has a 33% favorable rating, and 40% unfavorable rating. The Speaker of the House has gone from a plus eleven to a net minus seven. That is an 18 point negative swing in one month.
          Seriously, you never knew about what the debt ceiling deal did to the Republicans' political standing? This is the first time you've seen these numbers?

          Yes, the Republicans won an election in 2010, before any of this entitlement-cutting talk began. And? Is that the end of history?

          If you want to do something about those Republican statehouses, it takes wins in the field of public opinion to win the elections necessary to take them back.

          And in case you haven't noticed by now, what the President says is a reflection of his political strategy, more than his honest take on events. Taking politicians' words at face value, when they have a motive to spin or shade in a certain direction, is not a terribly good way to understand what's going on.

          Art is the handmaid of human good.

          by joe from Lowell on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 11:30:19 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Seriously? (0+ / 0-)

            You really think John Boehner's approval rating makes any difference at all?

            Let me tell you the Congressional GOP's approval rating in November of 2010: 25%. Want to know what it was in 2012? Just over 12. Yet the GOP House was re-elected.

            Nobody gives a shit about John Boehner's approval rating. I don't even know why its even polled, because nobody in America is going into a voting both thinking about John Boehner. 9 out of 10 Americans don't even know who he is. He isn't a factor in this thing.

            Approval ratings only have meaning when they lead to electoral validation. That's the whole point of polling...estimating the ballot box, which is the only poll that matters at the congressional level.

            But for any national election, it is the presidents approval rating that matters more than any other national poll. That's why Democrats won in 2006 and why the GOP won in 2010. The 2011 debt fiasco just tanked Obama's numbers. I know, because I wrote a diary about it.

            There's been too much written on how many people in the administration, from former staff to the president himself, have described the 2011 debt negotiations were an unmitigated disaster that should never happen again. Not some brilliant 11th dimensional stratagem. I don't know why you continue to believe it was.

            •  His rating, and his party's? Yes, they matter. Duh (0+ / 0-)

              You're seriously going to sit here and argue that public support for, and opposition to, political parties is irrelevant to politics?

              Um ok. I think that's pretty much all I need to hear.

              Two-party politics is a zero-sum game. If something causes your numbers to drop a little and the other guy's to drop a lot, you scored a victory. You might have noticed, the "tanked" Obama, and his party, did quite well in the elections that followed those polling results.

              And, once again, I really don't care too much about what professional politicians say. Pay attention to what they do, if you actually want to understand what's going on.

              Or, selectively pay attention to what they say when it suits you, and ignore it when it doesn't, if what you really want is validation for what you want to believe. Totally up to you.

              The reason I continue to stand by the analysis that I've been working with since 2011 is because it has worked in predicting and describing every event since then. How about you, bad boy? Did the Republicans beat Obama with a great "club" in the 2012 elections based on his negotiating posture, as you predicted?

              When your narrative fails to explain reality, you should go with reality.

              Art is the handmaid of human good.

              by joe from Lowell on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 10:13:09 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

            •  BTW, I love the theory that gerrymandering... (0+ / 0-)

              which serves to attenuate the effects of political trends means that those trends aren't happening at all.

              Barack Obama didn't really win the confrontation or damage the Republicans' political position, you see, because gerrymandering reduced the scale of their electoral losses.

              That's not an analysis of the politics of the showdown; it's an excuse to pretend the politics of the showdown don't matter.

              Gee, who would want to do that? Certainly not someone who say the politics work out the opposite of their expectations.

              Art is the handmaid of human good.

              by joe from Lowell on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 10:35:24 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

    •  You can't play chess with a gun holding a gun (1+ / 0-)
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      brooklynbadboy

      to your head--you shoot him first, then play. As civilly as humanly possible.

      Metaphorically, of course, although them Repubs sure do like their real guns.

      Hmm, I wonder why. Manhood issues, perhaps?

      And yes, I did just bring a "gun fight" to a political debate.

      But bottom line, self-preservation and principle trumps civility.

      Always.

      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

      by kovie on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:37:56 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Republicans would argue with a sign (0+ / 0-)

    and prove that they will do exactly that.

  •  If they want to cut Social Security (3+ / 0-)
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    here4tehbeer, msdrown, MikePhoenix

    why don't they come up with the proposed cuts and run on that?

    29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:30:31 AM PST

  •  You can lead a Republican to water (0+ / 0-)

    But you can't keep him from taking a shit in it...

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Fri Feb 21, 2014 at 10:31:01 AM PST

  •  only way this is a joke is because Prez teed it up (3+ / 0-)
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    sweatyb, METAL TREK, doroma

    the President has shown the nation that even at the risk of angering his base that he was willing to meet them on the negotiating table.

    To say that he shouldn't have made the stipulation of chained CPI in exchange for massive tax increase on the rich negates the point that the only reason we can point at Republicans claim that the President refuses to negotiate and laugh at them is the very fact that the nation now knows they are full of it, because the President offered to meet them on the negotiating table and they walked away. Most political watchers know this.

    In other words, again, the President placed them in that joke of a box and anything they say now about this is big time yuks.

    •  too much credit to Obama (4+ / 0-)
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      NedSparks, TJ, MikePhoenix, smartalek

      I agree, it's only because of the Obama bent over backwards to work with them that the spite and recklessness of the Republicans has been fully revealed. A more confrontational President might have muddied the water (but a more confrontational President might have already broken the weak alliance that holds the GOP together).

      I believe he put CCPI on the table because he genuinely thought they were merely pretending to be lunatics. He didn't figure out they were actually lunatics until long after most of us here knew. And that is not to his credit.

      I think Obama figured that the Republicans would work with him if the pot was sweet enough. And then once they'd started working with him, they would want to continue doing so and we could go back to having a functional Congress that worked on solving problems.

      I really cannot blame him. One of his primary metrics as President is "getting stuff done" and he needs a functional Congress to do it.

      •  the idea of getting things done has been (0+ / 0-)

        turned on its head with the Republican Party. They basically pledged to stop or prevent the President from getting anything accomplished while he is in office.

        This has been clear over the years. They will block everything. Even piled up more blocking of executive appointments than any single President in history. In fact, the President has received half the amount of obstruction of his appointments in all the obstruction of presidential appointments for more than 200 years.

        That says it all.... Nothing...they will do nothing...even if he were more confrontational.... After all, their base see the President as a monster, a traitor, and everything else under the sun...they vote for him...they are challenged by even worse obstructionists.  

        And understanding the media's penchant for false equivalences, the President had to show that the fault lied not with him but with the saboteurs....

  •  Kos PAC (2+ / 0-)
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    MikePhoenix, smartalek

    It's times like this I wish there was a KOS PAC that could immediately launch radio / television ads saying that Republicans want to cut Social Security.

  •  Strange stuff (0+ / 0-)

    What we've got here...is a fake democratic president trying to fulfill his mission to attack Social Security fighting with republicans who want the same thing.

    Obama was brought in by the Capitalist Cabal to fulfill a specific mission:

    1.  Make the unaffordable Bush tax cuts for thr wealthy permanent.

    2.  Attack Social Security .

     The first he's accomplished.  Chronically underfunded general revenue leads to pressure on Social Security and Medicare for the foreseeable future

    The second is a work in progress.  His first attack on Social Security washis fraudulent Payroll Tax Holiday.  Masquerading as stimulus, its real purpose was to undermine Social Security by cutting its revenue stream.  Chained CPI seeks to reduce benefits to the point where a money in equals money out balance is achieved.  If this scenario is maintained, the $2.8 trillion trust fund is never repaid.

    A "Leninist Strategy" is ongoing.

    1.  Younger workers have been duped into believing that Social Security won't be there for them.

    2.  A "Social Security like" system is set up along side Social Security with the goal of incremental privatization.  MyRA.

    3.   Older voters and those already retired would be neutralized by buying them off- being told any changes would only apply to those younger than 55.

    This is what's going on.  Obama will be back at this after the '14 elections.  He will fail.

    •  I looked (0+ / 0-)

      at most of your total of 13 comments since you joined this site.

      In virtually every comment you declared that the President was going to include chained CPI in his budget and that he was going to sabotage his own party.

      Then he does not, and you continue your attack.

      About that tax comment...you are wrong.

      The Bush tax cuts on the wealthy were rolled back...and he raised capital gains to 23% a 50% increase from the Bush rates.

      He did make cuts on the bottom 80% permanent, to try to help the middle and lower income taxpayers stay above water in a weak economy.

      Try to be factual when you attack the President.
      The Payroll tax cut did not cut the funding to SS Trust Fund, it was paid out of general funds.

      You got any facts at all?

      •  You are living in a fantasy land (0+ / 0-)

        Obama took Chained CPI out of his budget proposal because he was forced to under tremendous pressure ahead of mid terms. The WH says it's still on the table.

        WRT the Bush tax cuts, Obama campaigned on a figure of $250k.  When $400K became the law instead, two-thirds of revenue was lost. Permanently- no sunset provision.  Do your research.

        General revenue did make the reduction in the payroll tax whole during the PTH.  You missed what was important .  Social Security has always been self funding- never contributing a penny to the debt.  That strength was attacked when general revenue, defecit spending,, was used to make S.S. whole.

  •  "no interest in doing anything"? JB is projecting! (0+ / 0-)
  •  last comment is so true (0+ / 0-)

    Your last comment is so pertinent.  It is something that all Dems should use, with specific examples of the hypocrisy of Repubs.  They contradict themselves in order to criticize the President.  Great thoughts!

  •  purposal is not a commitment (0+ / 0-)

    I guess the Republicans do not understand what compromise is.  It was an offer that they refused.  The debt crisis is over for now (until the next Republican gets in the White House)  so what would be the point anyway.  The President did the right thing.  Good for him.

    •  If "the.right.thing" is defined as validating the (0+ / 0-)

      ...patently false and deeply damaging Publican narrative that "government is like.families, and.must tighten belts when times are tough."
      Sorry, but even more than his multi-year mishandling of Publican perfidy, his NSA spying abuses, his drone-strike excesses, and his reversal on tel-com immunity, I can't forgive him that one.

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