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1942 - WWII begins in earnest when Japanese sub successfully shells an oil refinery in Ellwood, California

1847 - US troops under Zachary Taylor defend a small outpost against Mexican troops led by Santa Ana, who was aiming to control the gas and shale oil fields lurking below the Alamo.  

Coincidence?  I think NOT!

"Shale oil, and natural gas, most evil spirits that we shall pass. . . " The start of the actual quote as originally penned by Shakespeare in Macbeth, Act 4, Scene 3.

"We shall be overcome!" The original text Martin Luther King intended to give, warning about carbon monoxide and the virtual hegemony that big oil threatened to create.

From the church of ineffable stupidity:

Hardesty, Alberta - ground zero of four notable things
A. The most poisonous, polluted land in all of Canada.
B. The center of a proposed huge rail center to handle shale oil exports to China, US, and elsewhere
C. The starting place of a 2400 mile long pipeline, intended to cross some of the most pristine, beautiful and ecologically healthy parts of North America.
D. Shale oil central, where there is absolutely no governmental oversight of strip mining, air and water pollution, and the most numerous and serious industrial accidents in Canada.

Steele City, Nebraska
The proposed halfway point of Keystone. Only about another 1000 miles to go to get to the Houston refinery.

Vancouver, BC
The site of a large deep water port and harbor, a large refinery, and an existing pipeline terminus between Hardesty and Vancouver.

Chicago, IL
Another half way point between hardesty and Houston, with huge refineries in Chicago, Joliet, Gary, Indiana, and the terminus of an existing rail line between hardesty and Chicago.

There are refineries along the Great Lakes, both on the US and the Canadian shores. All of them have pipeline capacity to hardesty, and access to deep water ports to the Atlantic.

There are two massive refinery centers in the Puget Sound, one in Vancouver, one in the US (anacortes)

Please tell me. WHY are we building an additional pipeline to the furthest possible refinery away from Canada? And its filthy shale oil? And if we must get it, why not simply ship it to much closer existing refineries, using existing pipelines?

2400 miles from hardesty to Houston
800 miles from hardesty to Vancouver
1500 miles from hardesty to Chicago
You do the maths.


Where should hardesty's shale oil go?

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  •  Tip Jar (4+ / 0-)
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    Maverick80229, akmk, rebel ga, Tinfoil Hat

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Sun Feb 23, 2014 at 08:23:26 AM PST

  •  Ed Show is out west along the KXL pipeline (4+ / 0-)
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    Maverick80229, akmk, rebel ga, ModMark

    right of way all this week coming up.

    Also, Hardesty is at least 4-500 miles south of the epicenter of most of the the tar sands development.

    There are no petroleum refineries located in Gary, Indiana.   However, next door in Whiting, IN is the BP refinery which has tar sands crude as a feedstock.

  •  The Correct Response Was Not Listed!!! (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Rec'd And Tipped (0+ / 0-)

    I answered, Nowhere, in the poll.

    I have some new diaries. They're all linked in this one. No keystone xl pipeline, No tar sands either And Say No, to spectra gas pipeline in NJ/NYC!
    Fracking Hell-The Untold Story

    Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

    by rebel ga on Sun Feb 23, 2014 at 12:07:23 PM PST

  •  Build a fleet of oil Lakers (lake freighters)? (0+ / 0-)
    intended to cross some of the most pristine, beautiful and ecologically healthy parts of North America.
    The last time I flew over the heartland I saw endless miles of irrigated crop circles from industrial farms. It seems the buffalo no longer roam in the heartland.

    Before we start shipping oil cross the Great Lakes, you need to look at areas such as the 1,000 Islands and ask yourself, do we really want lakers filled with no-load gasoline pass thru?  

    Just a question of which environment is more risky, a semi-arid plains or very large fresh water lakes with narrow passages.

    While Enbridge may have a pipeline connected to the Whiting refinery another route would be Steel City to Wood River then north.

    Since Steel City is already connected to the Gulf, seems a bit silly to start building a fleet of lakers.

    •  You said (0+ / 0-)
      Before we start shipping oil cross the Great Lakes,
      Both crude oil and refined oil products are presently in Great Lakes tanker and barge service, although no heavy sour crude from tar sands has yet shipped on the Great Lakes.  

      Wisconsin Governor Walker is considering a dock at Superior,WI which would put tar sands crude on the Great Lakes for the first time.

      •  Thank you (0+ / 0-)

        I stand corrected. I did read about Walker but was unaware of other traffic. Do they ship out of the St Lawrence?

        My grandfather was involved with shipping with Shell long ago, he work out of Bay City.

        •  I don't know about St. Lawrence traffic, but there (0+ / 0-)

          is barge traffic with stuff like residual oil and asphalt emulsion from the Chicago area north.

          •  Trying to avoid the NIMBY syndrome (0+ / 0-)

            concerning Great Lake shipping but...

            During college I work for Wolverine Pipeline when it's Freedom Junction to Toledo line split open. While I am no expert but this spill of gasoline seem easy to clean up compared with a spill involving a body water.

            Just seems using new pipelines on land is a better option than marine shipping.

            I tried to find shipping info for the St Lawrence but came up empty. The best I found:

            "According to a 2010 Army Corps of Engineers study, 3.7 million tons of petroleum products were shipped on the Great Lakes that year on both foreign and domestic ships, with just 48,000 tons of that crude petroleum. That's dwarfed by the nearly 51 million tons of iron ore, 31 million tons of coal and 26 million tons of sand, gravel and other rock products shipped on the lakes."


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