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The subject of the latest debunked Obamacare horror story is finally talking, and of course it's to Fox News. Julie Boonstra is a Michigan resident with leukemia, and she appeared in an Americans For Prosperity ad against Democratic Senate candidate Rep. Gary Peters, saying that Obamacare made her cancer treatment unaffordable because of out of pocket spending. Subsequent fact checking, though, found that her monthly premium payments were essentially cut in half, and the limits the law imposes on out of pocket expenses means that at worse, she'd break even between those costs and her premium saving. The ad also implied she lost access to her doctor, though fact checking determined that her doctor is included in the plan she picked on the exchange.

So with no real basis to the story she presented in the ad, how does Boonstra respond? The only way she can, the way Republicans always go, playing the victim.

"They're not scaring me. Cancer scares me," she said. "I battle cancer every day. They're not going to intimidate me." [...]

"Under my old policy, I knew what I could afford every single month because I wasn't hit with extra charges. Now I don't know what I have to pay month to month," she said. "Leukemia tests are extremely expensive."

Just to set the record straight, pointing out factual inconsistencies is not intimidation. No one is saying that Boonstra isn't experiencing real angst over having to change health insurance in the middle of her fight with cancer. No one is diminishing her fight with cancer, they're just pointing out some basic truths which show that her story just doesn't add up.

And as Brian Beutler points out, if the Koch brothers achieved what they're trying to with this and other ads—repeal—then she would really become a victim. The protections she now has under this law—to never be kicked off her health insurance plan, to never have to worry about having health coverage because of her leukemia, having her annual out of pocket expenses limited, and never having to worry about reaching an annual or lifetime cap where her coverage is just cut off—would be gone if the campaign she's participating in succeeds. Which is, yes, insane.

If Boonstra is a victim, she's the willing victim of the Koch brothers and AFP who would ultimately throw her to the wolves. But if she hates the law that much, fine, whatever. What she's doing, though, jeopardizes every other cancer patient in the nation.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 08:19 AM PST.

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    by Joan McCarter on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 08:19:27 AM PST

    •  She's rather brainwashed (30+ / 0-)

      That message will not get through it seems.  Kind of funny, since republicans are supposed to be so attuned to economic issues.

      •  I think they are... (10+ / 0-)

        and they are also attuned to how some people think in short term ways.  They just don't use their knowledge to help common people.

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        by newfie on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 09:26:42 AM PST

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      •  Well, (7+ / 0-)

        we don't know yet if the Koch check cleared the bank yet.

        What it comes down to is "why?"

        Why are the Koch brothers so determined to interfere in Obamacare implementation?

        How does it negatively impact them?

        My employer of 800+ has passed on to all of us LOWER monthly contributions to our medical program, because the increased competition (gotta love capitalism, huh wing nuts?) forced HR to take a second look at the market, and they found a better, cheaper alternative to AETNA.

        So, the only reason I can see that the Koch's want to propagandize Obamacare is because they're terrified of the millions of new Democratic voters the ACA will create, wasting the millions they've spent buying Republican Senators.

        We've been spelling it wrong all these years. It's actually: PRO-GOP-ANDA

        by Patriot4peace on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 02:50:12 PM PST

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    •  Let me get this straight (80+ / 0-)

      This woman has so mismanaged her financial life that she can't handle the difference between have to pay 6,000 a year in equal monthly installments vs. having to pay the same 6,000 a year as and when she gets treatment?

      And she thinks that whatever burden that puts on her  outweighs:

      The fact that her current insurance can't be rescinded.

      That there is no lifetime cap on her new insurance.

      That she will never be denied the opportunity to purchase insurance at all because of her pre-existing condition.

      This woman is a moron.

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      by trillian on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 09:09:00 AM PST

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      •  Like someone upthread said: (15+ / 0-)

        Ain't no cure for stupid.

      •  I wouldn't necessarily say (18+ / 0-)

        mismanaged finances.  I think it is more of a budget issue.  You might be able to absorb $500-$600 in cost per month but if the cost in January is $1000, in the short term, it matters less if that the cost in May is $200.  With time you can plan out costs - so if she hits limits early in the year then she would be able to then set aside money for the reminder of the year to pay for the next year but that first year can be painful in terms of finances.

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        by newfie on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 09:24:11 AM PST

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        •  Payment schedules (26+ / 0-)

          Can sometimes be negotiated - especially if the care provider knows you have reliable insurance.

        •  This is the big missed point (5+ / 0-)
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          And I am very glad you brought it up.  I had a similar reaction to a piece last week that simply compared annual numbers to "prove" that someone's health insurance was just as good as it used to be.


          Very many Americans live either paycheck to paycheck or with very little cushion for an extra expense.  And, hey!  That's the point of insurance!  To reduce the risk of an unforseen extra expense (to the extent that doesn't apply to cancer treatment, that's an indictment of the concept of mandating health insurance to provide health care - but that's the ACA).  But, as it turns out, with the growing popularity of high deductible plans, you purchase insurance but still bear all of the initial risk for health expenses.

          Just a quick recap, you pay the health insurance company every single month (premiums - perhaps subsidized, perhaps not), and after you pay a bunch of money to your providers (the deductible), afterwards the insurance company start chipping in (coinsurance).  Once you're bled dry for the year (annual individal/family limit), the insurance company will pick up the rest of the tab for the year.  Rinse and repeat in the new year, until and unless you hit a lifetime cap.

          The administration/talking points reaction to this just shows me how out of touch the 11th dimensional chess players continue to be.  First they bet the bank on a Republican plan that mandated you purchase insurance from health insurance companies, some of the most unpopular companies in America.  Then, they turn up their nose at people saying "I can't afford this!" by referring to annual expenditures.  That only makes sense in a world  where you have significant surplus income or large savings.  Reality check: average American savings are net negative.  

          As to the suggestion about working out a payment plan with the providers, that's a viable solution, but again, it's asking the patient to wrestle with the providers - isn't that what they bought health insurance for?  So they wouldn't have to do all that?  

          •  Insurance providers are not your advocate (5+ / 0-)

            with medical providers. The key remains reducing the cost of healthcare. Obamacare takes steps in that direction. It is preferable to what came before. Likewise, having medical insurance is preferable to not having it.

            •  Reducing the cost of healthcare for whom? (4+ / 0-)
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              This is always the sticking point when my insurance points out that they have "reduced the cost" by paying less so that I have to pay more or worse still, paying the provider less "by contract" and putting our rural non-profit hospital in jeopardy, extending back to how we will have to travel two hours northeast to the next hospital in all kinds of weather.

              Single payer, private provider would have, in fact, lowered costs by negotiation of a large group of patients/the government with the providers.  Well, of course that just smacks of unions and can't be tolerated.  So we got what we have and there we are, better--but not perfect yet.

          •  So what was her previous situation? (10+ / 0-)

            That's the big missing factor in this story.  Where did she get this fantastic policy that had no co-pays and didn't require her to do any budgeting over the course of a year?  

            I think the poor woman is just upset about the fact that she has to do things a bit differently than she used to.  But that is the essence of change.  We would never change anything if we there was a prohibition on anyone anywhere having to make some adjustments in their way of doing things.  

            •  Probably co-pays (2+ / 0-)
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              It's not hard to extrapolate from the information we're given.  She probably used to pay a set premium, with a set co-pay for each doctor's visit.  She could predict her doctor visits, so she could predict her costs.  And if she had to go the ER, well, there's a higher co-pay for that, but still (probably) a reasonable amount.

              What you're brushing off as "make some adjustments" means that she may be paying thousands of dollars during the first month of coverage (until she hits a deductible), whereas before she may have paid just a single small co-pay.  In other words, what's at stake here is the very nature of high-deductible policies - which may be the only affordable option for many people, and are therefore de facto mandated by the ACA.  iIstead of tackling that issue, we're treating it like  some dumb partisan argument (no matter how untenable the argument, we must be right and they must be wrong!)

              This is a bad change.  Up-front deductible policies are a worse outcome for people that actually use their policies.  If our best defense is that at the end of the year they end up paying the same amount or equivalent, then our best defense for these policies is not a defense at all.  So why defend it?  Why defend paying insurance companies just so you can earn the right to get health care coverage?

              •  copays (1+ / 0-)
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                Maybe it depends on the policy you pick, but under my new policy, I am paying copays and I did NOT have to reach my deductible($3000) first. Sheeshka was basically right with her reply.

              •  co-pays versus deductibles (0+ / 0-)

                Not sure, but on prior policies I have seen, the co-pay is fixed and  is paid for each type of visit.  The deductible then is paid on a pro rated amount per claim, but I have now seen on the web site policies that clearly say all deductible dollars has to be paid first -- or at least that is way they appear to be set up.  

                That has stopped at least a couple of people I know from buying because they simply could never meet the deductible in normal circumstances and think the insurance is too expensive even with a subsidy.  

                I realize they are overlooking the possibility of a major illness or accident, but they really don't have the money but make too much to get much of a subsidy, so I could understand their decision to take the risk.


          •  Deductibles and co-pays are reduced for low income (2+ / 0-)
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            People making under 250% FPL have reduced deductibles and co-pays as well as premium subsidies.  That's with a sliver plan. If you want a 'cover it all' plan, that's available in the gold and platnium plans. No deductible, and low co-pay for name brand drugs. Gold/platnium plans cost $500-$600/mo for a 44yr old in CA. about what she is paying.

          •  meeting out of pockets (2+ / 0-)
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            up front can be hard for most people.  Nevertheless, for the vast majority of people, they will have less debt after a serious illness with the new system.  I don't think we've heard the whole truth about this woman's insurance situation yet.

          •  Wrong---you don't have to fulfill Out Of Pocket.. (5+ / 0-)

            ..yearly max before the insurance kicks in...this is the BIG LIE the Rethugs want you to believe! You are comparing health insurance to car insurance where there is a deductible for every accident/event.  That is NOT how health insurance works.  OCare requires routine office visits, tests and prescriptions to be available for a simple copay. And each of the co-pays gets credited against the Out of Pocket annual maximum. Stop perpetuating the LIE! Even before OCare, under a decent plan, you could get plenty of healthcare without ever reaching your yearly Out of Pocket. Under OCare, it is even better as it is mandatory.  Again--YOU DO NOT HAVE TO FULFILL THE ANNUAL OUT OF POCKET MAXIMUM BEFORE HEALTH CARE BENEFITS AND PAYMENTS TO PROVIDERS BEGIN.

            •  I didn't say that (1+ / 0-)
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              You should look again at what I wrote, in my discussion of  high deductible plans. I never said you had to pay the out of pocket maximum before health care payments to providers begin - I said you had to pay your deductible first.    Wellness visits are a nice perk and all, but I generally want to see a doctor when I'm sick, not when I'm well - and since the insurance company is pricing that "free" cost into the premium, it's still the health insurance customer paying.

              Health insurance companies would also say that while you're paying the deductible, you still get the benefit of using the rate the insurance company negotiated with the provider, as opposed to the rate the provider charges an uninsured patient.  How providers/insurance companies get away with charging an insured man $10 and an uninsured man $100 for the exact same service, I really don't know, but that's the system we have.

              •  re copays (4+ / 0-)

                I just replied to your comment yesterday before I saw this may be dependant on the policy chosen, but I DID NOT have to pay my$3000 deductible first to get my copays.
                I've seen similar comments to yours many times and its not necessarily true

              •  Do notice, though, that she has said nothing (2+ / 0-)
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                anywhere about there being a DEDUCTIBLE with her new insurance...nor, apparently, is there one...just an 80/20 copay.  

                Which means that she is paying 20% of her incurred charges only up to the maximum of $6,350 a year.  Which means she's ultimately paying no more than $2 this year than last year under her old insurance.

                Ah!  But she did say she had "low out-of-pocket expenses" on her old addition to her premiums  And this is important to remember.  

                Why?  Because her insurance premiums last were twice as expensive as her new she had those additional out-of-pocket expenses.  

                So, instead of her costs being $2 a year more this year(a whole 17 cents a month), they will actually be LOWER this year by whatever her last year's out-of-pocket expenses were less that $2 :-)  This will give her more money to pay off the $6,350 sooner...and leave her some left over.  

                She needs to understand that it is simply NOT necessary to come up with the entire 20% of any given charge at once.  She can set up payment plans.  People do it all the time.  

                She also needs to understand the meaning of the word "cap".  Understand that once she gets, in total, to $6,350, her insurance company will pay 100%.  

                Considering the type and cost of chemo medication she is taking...even if it isn't the one she used to be on (there are 18 more options)...she's actually already met that cap and won't get any more new bills for the rest of the year.  So I hope that she gets interviewed again a month from now and asked about that.  Asked about how much she's having to pay in new charges each month.  By then, she'll know the answer is $0.  Ah, but will she tell us?

                •  That is all true (0+ / 0-)

                  Which is why I tried to steer away from this person's policy in particular and discuss high-deductible plans in general.  I don't know this woman's policy.  She's apparently married to a Republican operative, and it's very likely she's arguing in bad-faith.  I do wish the media would do more fact-checking on "Obama ruined my great health care!" and I know that most of these stories don't add up.  

                  Having said all that, I stand by my concerns regarding high deductible plans - having one myself through my employer, I'm familiar with their advantages and disadvantages, but it may come as a big shock to many customers first getting this type of plan.   I think we should be prepared to accept that on its own terms, instead of looking at it through a partisan prism.

              •  Wong again---the deductible is the same as the... (2+ / 0-)
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                ..."out of pocket"...and "co-pays" are indeed "out of pocket" which go towards the annual Out of Pocket cap.  This is what you said "What you're brushing off as "make some adjustments" means that she may be paying thousands of dollars during the first month of coverage (until she hits a deductible), whereas before she may have paid just a single small co-pay"...and you are wrong...and this wrongness is confusing people and scaring them....just what the Repugs want.  Again, you do NOT have to fully satisfy "deductibles" before you get benefits under Ocare.  

        •  Yeah, this (17+ / 0-)

          The monthly out of pocket costs aren't as predictable. But the $500+ she's saving in premiums should help alleviate that, and as DButch says, payment schedules, too.

          The disruption in her insurance has to be difficult and upsetting. It would be for anyone. That I have sympathy for. But it ends at her turning herself into a Koch brothers tool and forwarding their lies.

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          by Joan McCarter on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 10:16:22 AM PST

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          •  All part of the bargain when (8+ / 0-)

            you can't have a national conversation about how to move to a universal healthcare platform - be it in the form of universal financing (aka private insurance) or universal healthcare (aka socialized medicine).  Instead we have the nonsense we have.  And it goes across the board on nearly everything.

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            by newfie on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 10:22:51 AM PST

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          •  And I would think that if (4+ / 0-)
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            She wanted to pay more in monthly premiums, there's a good chance that there's a gold or platinum plan that would have no deductible. I can't imagine the kick ass ACA plan she could get for $800/month....

            These people cannot be reasoned with. It's like arguing with a brainwashed fundie - facts don't matter. It's all about emotion - fear and hatred - with them.

            Money should be treated like any other controlled substance; if you can't use it responsibly then you don't get to use it.

            by La Gitane on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 11:26:49 AM PST

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            •  Cost of ACE coverage! (0+ / 0-)

              I call BS!  I'm a senior on a limited income, but since I work part time, my "copay" is ridiculous for premiums, and I'm terrified to see what my additional out-of-pocket expenses will be!  I've had 4 strokes, so I don't have the option of just doing without - but the new plan terrifies me, as it punishes me for working by taking everything I earn.  Try to remember the ACA was based on a republican plan to funnel money to insurance companies, NOT to bring in universal health care (a la most developed countries!  Don't know why Obama wants to support insurance companies, who are more than happy to kill off the aged, sick, and poor!  My daughter simply cannot afford any of the offered plans, so her four kids will lose the care they had through the Indian health service.  The ACA is disgusting - you have to be completely in poverty to afford it -it is a killer for the working poor!  We need the public option to make this a useful program!

              •  I'm not sure what your situation is (1+ / 0-)
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                But with four kids, if your daughter makes between $15K and $90K she is eligible for subsidies and cost assistance. I have no doubt she can find several plans that may even be close to zero. Below $15k, if you're in a state that expanded Medicaid then she's eligible for that - for free. But with four kids, she should be eligible even without the expansion, at least for the kids.

                For you, if you're on Medicare then I'm not familiar how that works. While I agree that single payer definitely would have been better, I don't know of anyone (other than people who got caught in the Medicaid hole) who can't get their premiums down close to zero. The subsidies are there for people who make up to four times the poverty rate.

                Please see if you can get some help in your state to help you find a solution. I'm sure there is one.

                Money should be treated like any other controlled substance; if you can't use it responsibly then you don't get to use it.

                by La Gitane on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 07:01:51 PM PST

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            •  In both cases it's all about what they "believe" (4+ / 0-)
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              not about facts.  I had a woman tell me that I couldn't tell her she was wrong about Pres. Obama's birth certificate because that was her BELIEF and it is a free country and she's free to BELIEVE whatever she likes.  huh?? Freedom gives one permission to scrap and ignore the facts of a matter?

              It gets weirder and weirder in right wing LaLa Land.

          •  Monthly costs were (5+ / 0-)

            just as unpredictable with her old insurance, only now she has a $500 cushion.  It's too bad she's so scared of change, and worse that Fox is exploiting her.

            I'm in a FaceBook group with others that share my disease that causes chronic pain.  There are 3 - 4 people that I've offered to walk through ACA sign-ups because they have a "block".  The block is that they've been fed Right Wing Bullshit.  They are uninsured and going without much needed care that would significantly increase their quality of life.  
            Damn the GOP for making healthcare political!

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            by VPofKarma on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 12:15:25 PM PST

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            •  She probably did not have a long experience (2+ / 0-)
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              of how her old insurance handled leukemia, so she's imagining a rosy scenario that wasn't at all what it would have been.

              Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

              by elfling on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 12:48:54 PM PST

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            •  i think this hits closer to the mark: (3+ / 0-)
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              "It's too bad she's so scared of change"

              even if change is an improvement, it's still different than what you're accustomed to. that can be very scary, especially for someone in her position, dealing with a long-term, debilitating disease. I understand the ire of people watching this commercial, being pretty certain what she's saying isn't actually true. it's a pity someone didn't sit down with her, and show her, on paper, how she's benefiting from this change. it may have helped set her mind a little more at ease.

      •  Bullseye! you nailed it! (2+ / 0-)
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      •  This woman is the wife of a long-time Republican (11+ / 0-)

        operative who is now a Judge of the Michigan Court of Appeals.  The real morons are the inept Republican handlers who contrived this incident.

      •  Wow. Jump to conclusions much? (1+ / 0-)
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        People who can't pay a thousand dollars in out of pocket medical costs any old month it happens to come up are morons?  Really, you don't seem to grasp how close to the line many people in the current economy are living.  It has nothing to do with stupid.

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        by Fiona West on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 06:38:55 PM PST

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      •  it is unfair to say (0+ / 0-)

        she's mismanaged her finanacial life.  Depending on how long this is going on, whether she is married with a reliable second income to depend on, etc.,  she may have little choice about where she gets money.

        Leukemia may mean months or more than a year away from work during treatment due to almost non-existent immune system,  minor infections like a cold that turn into life threatening situations requiring hospitalization,  negative reactions to transplants, etc.   It is a horrible disease in many of its forms.  If she is a single woman, she may have gone through tens of thousands of dollars paying house payment or rent , etc. with no income.   That would wipe out most people.

        •  It is unfair to say... (0+ / 0-)

             Leukemia is a dreadful disease.

          That said, if Boonstra was unable to work, she could have been eligible for disability and thus become eligible for Medicare coverage during the disability. Maybe she could have gone on Medicaid.

          There are people who work in hospitals, doctors' offices and, yes, The Leukemia Society who could have helped her figure out the financing.

          •  my understanding is (1+ / 0-)
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            that disability claims are taking a real long time for processing around here, I don't know about other parts of the country specifically.  And you have to prove you are going to be disabled a year or more going in,  which is a little uncertain with leukemia, you might do well and be able to go back to work, you might encounter severe side effects or failure of treatment, I am no doctor, so I don't know how SS will treat such an uncertain prognosis.

            I am not saying I believe this woman in particular about her issues, but I also think strangers passing judgment on her 'financial mismanagement' or she would have the ability to pay misjudge just how financially draining as well as emotionally and physically draining, this kind of illness is.

            We pride ourselves on not being like redstate or Republicans wingers.  That means we can show empathy to the plight of anyone seriously ill rather than condemning them without facts on a personal behavior.  If we are better than they are, we should act that way.

            •  Even if she were eligible for an SSDI claim* (2+ / 0-)
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              jfromga, smileycreek

              which would require both a sufficient accumulated quarters of work credits (varies by age), and a demonstrated total disability that has already lasted 12 months, is expected to last 12 months or  end in death.  End stage renal disease (ESRD) has some slightly different rules & approval rates, as do some other specific disease classes.

              jfromga is correct with respect the long waiting times between application and approval of benefits. Something like 60% of new SSDI claims are rejected immediately; of those, a similar % is rejected on reconsideration; requiring an appeal to continue, with a similar rejection rate, whereafter the claim, to stay alive, must be adjudicated.

              Each stage of application is subject to strict filing deadlines, knocking out even more applicants (who may later choose to reapply, assuming their accumulated recent work credits (one requirement for eligibility) have not expired, in the meantime - although during the four steps of app, recon, appeal hearing, and court appeal, the work credits are preserved for any individual claim. But if they miss a deadline, say, due to illness, they have to start all over, with a new claim.  And if they've timed out on accumulated recent work credits, are left to apply for SSI, which is further subject to income caps, being just for the poor.  So if one's spouse has income, for instance, that may not be an option.  Being disqualified from SSI on income or asset limits makes Medicaid even harder, if not impossible, to get because Medicaid asset/income caps are even lower than SSI's are.

              *A successful, approved claim has a two year waiting period (from the date of disability onset listed on the application, and supported with documentation) before the claimant is eligible for Medicare coverage. I know many folks who get Medicaid immediately, either because they applied "later" or because of the wait while the app is pending.  In some areas, 2 years or more. During that time: no Medicare.

              Three of my friends have died waiting for their SSDI claims to be processed through all these steps; I'm aware of  many others.  

              At the appeal/hearing, over two years into the application process, the widow of one applicant I knew of was told that they now found in favor of the applicant as having demonstrated disability - death would seem to demonstrate his assertion of eligibility, duh - but could not approve the application for benefits (save those dated back to a limit of 12 months) because the applicant was deceased. They informed her that she was welcome to apply for any survivours' benefits for her minor children; I'm not sure if widow's benefits were also an option.

              Had her husband been able to access/continue medical treatment while he was unable to work, he might have survived. Had the ACA been law at that time, he may have survived. He died the week before the hearing.

    •  Absolutely (12+ / 0-)

      She has an extremely expensive disease that now won't potentially bankrupt her family.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 10:13:11 AM PST

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  •  There's A New One (3+ / 0-)
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    Anybody know what the story is with this?

    "H.R.W.A.T.P.T.R.T.C.I.T.G -- He really was a terrible president that ran the country into the ground."

    by Reino on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 09:07:35 AM PST

    •  Seems like blaming ACA for insurance agency (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Hard to say (0+ / 0-)

      Maybe her insurance only covers generic Sandostatin?

      "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

      by Old Left Good Left on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 10:02:39 AM PST

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    •  The comments on that WSJ op ed are (2+ / 0-)
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      just willfully ignorant.

    •  There are plans on the exchange in her area (2+ / 0-)
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      cosette, JerryNA

      That cover Sandostatin. It seems like this woman was inconvenienced by the website being down in Oct/Nov. The good news for her is that it's still open enrollment, so she can drop her off-exchange Humana plan and get a policy on the exchange that covers her medication.

    •  Lots of details are missing. (8+ / 0-)

      The woman had Blue Cross which cancelled her policy. Why? That's the real question. She bought a Human plan on November 22 directly from Humana, not through the exchange, not with the help of a navigator, nor the help of an insurance broker. She went directly to insurance company websites and called companies one-by-one. How smart is that? She was given incorrect information by the Humana enrollment agent, and it turns out the injection she needs twice monthly is not covered under the plan's formulary. That's really bad, but blaming the ACA misdirects where the blamed should really be placed.

      Of course, we know there is an obvious solution. The enrollment period is not yet up. She can enroll in a plan that does cover her injections and her doctors and cancel the Humana plan that does not. But this time, she should get the help of a navigator or an insurance broker. There's still time to switch.

      •  Important point (5+ / 0-)

        The article says that she had the same BCBS policy for 20 years.  If that is the case, then her policy was clearly "grandfathered" under the ACA.  So it cannot be said that BCBS was required by the ACA to drop her policy.  

        Questions about this case should be referred to BCBS.  

        •  She probably didn't (2+ / 0-)
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          She thinks she does because she always was in Blue Cross and paid money to them each year. But, often they discontinue old plans and roll you into new ones in a relatively invisible way.

          It's really unusual for an insurance company to keep the "same plan" by the definition we're using here for more than a few years.

          Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

          by elfling on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 12:52:05 PM PST

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    •  Seems full of BS and exaggerations. (3+ / 0-)
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      I can't say for sure what's going in in VA, but as far as I can tell, nobody lost coverage as of November.  That's just when you were notified.  There were plenty of options to extend your insurance cover until the end of the year.  

      And I find it HIGHLY dubious that she had to buy the plan to find out what's in it.  That's a way too convenient exaggeration.  I applied with Aetna (my old insurance co.) directly because I don't qualify for exemptions.  I also applied on my state's exchange to get access to other plans.  On the state exchange it was easy to compare everything and I did have to pick-one and apply for it.  But I was never obligated to pay for it.  And, just like at Aetna, the final cost would not be determined until they calculated adjustments for my high-blood pressure.  Even after all that was done, I could still change my plan at any time.   So maybe Humana just sucks, or they're just lying or both.

      Additionally, the administration also changed the rules so that you could keep whatever insurance you had for at least a year so long as you enrolled by the deadline in Dec. (I don't remember what is was).  And re-enrolling only took a notice to your provider. You did not have to re-apply.

      So again, either Humana or Blue Cross sucks and screwed them over, or they're lying or both.  Gee, guess what I'd pick?

      America, where a rising tide lifts all boats! Unless you don't have a boat...uh...then it lifts all who can swim! Er, if you can't swim? SHAME ON YOU!

      by Back In Blue on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 10:36:23 AM PST

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      •  My experience with health insurance has indeed (1+ / 0-)
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        been that you have to buy the plan to understand what's in it. Or more accurately, what's not in it. The language is opaque and artfully phrased.

        That's actually less likely now that ACA has standardized so much of coverage.

        And that said, the formulary and the provider list are usually the only easy things to discover beforehand.

        Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

        by elfling on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 12:55:02 PM PST

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  •  More BS. Her monthly cost is now much lower (21+ / 0-)

    than before so any out of pocket for that month would be manageable and because she will be reimbursed, the doctors will wait for the payment


    "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

    by merrywidow on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 09:09:16 AM PST

  •  The first questions she needs to answer are: (25+ / 0-)

    What were your annual and lifetime caps on your old policy?

    What was your co-pay and/or deductible on the old policy?

    Once she answers those questions, then maybe there can be a real conversation.

    •  Odds are she has no idea. (17+ / 0-)

      She just knows Obamacare is bad, so the old costs must have been good.

      •  You cannot deny that this (9+ / 0-)

        is a change.  And it is one that could potentially be problematic initially until she (or, more likely, someone on her behalf) figures it out.  One thing that is certain is that many people do not like change.  And the more someone does not like change the more likely they are to be a conservative.

        "I'm not left wing because i'm ideological, or passionate, or angry. I'm left wing because I'm informed." - Mikesco

        by newfie on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 09:46:30 AM PST

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        •  Which happense ever year. (1+ / 0-)
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          I don't know about you, but as far as I know, everyone has to re-enroll or re-apply every year.  And, previously, if she was paying for it herself and not through her employer, she'd be facing the risk of termination of her policy.  But considering that she seems to be the wife of a republican operative, I call bullshit.  She's got a good plan, she and her alleged husband certainly figured it out, and now she's got her talking points down pat.

          Show me someone who's truly having a problem and I'll have plenty of empathy for them. This is not one of those people.

          America, where a rising tide lifts all boats! Unless you don't have a boat...uh...then it lifts all who can swim! Er, if you can't swim? SHAME ON YOU!

          by Back In Blue on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 10:43:52 AM PST

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          •  Yes... (1+ / 0-)
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            Most plans change every year.  I am sure there may be a plan out there that doesn't change - at least for the employee that means the Employer is covering the change in cost.  SO it is entirely disingenuous to decry the plans that have changed!!! Gah!!!

            And I think that her status changes drastically when you learn who her husband is.

            "I'm not left wing because i'm ideological, or passionate, or angry. I'm left wing because I'm informed." - Mikesco

            by newfie on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 11:07:55 AM PST

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            •  Not diensgenous. (2+ / 0-)
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              It still sucks, it's just not different from before.   You are absolutely correct that change is hard for many, many people.  Single payer would certainly fix that.  

              But for people like this one, your empathy is misplaced, it's not even wanted.  This woman and her GOP connected husband clearly figured it out.  She has insurance!  Better insurance!  The uncertainty is exaggerated and the extrapolation to "those who are hurting" is simply off the charts.  Her healthcare was never in jeopardy, or even in question.  She claims Obamacare is not the answer when clearly it's working for her.  

              Let's put it clearly: SHE IS A LIAR.

              America, where a rising tide lifts all boats! Unless you don't have a boat...uh...then it lifts all who can swim! Er, if you can't swim? SHAME ON YOU!

              by Back In Blue on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 12:00:43 PM PST

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          •  Please note my correction as to (0+ / 0-)

            the relationship.  They are relatives, not spouses.

        •  This. We worked with an accountant for years (5+ / 0-)
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          who was rude and expensive. Every time I tried to convince my husband to change he would refuse (it's mostly for his work that we need an accountant). Finally she retired and sent a curt letter saying she was no longer going to do our taxes. My husband made a few calls, got a recommendation, we went to this new guy who is lovely and pleasant and has already found a relatively big mistake in last year's returns.
          But if this woman hadn't stopped on her own, we'd still be going to her because my husband hates making changes.
          My husband isn't conservative (he's almost as liberal as I am), but he has those tendencies which I try to counter as much as possible. I think if he were married to someone who was less skeptical and questioning, he might have ended up a more conservative person politically.

          While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

          by Tamar on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 11:36:55 AM PST

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          •  Odd. (2+ / 0-)
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            How so of us seem to lean into change and others cringe from it as though it were poison.  I like change for the most part.  I like to figure out how to deal with the new.  I don't seek change for changes sake but I am always willing to give something a go.

            It isn't universal but odds are the more you resist change the more you tend to be conservative.

            "I'm not left wing because i'm ideological, or passionate, or angry. I'm left wing because I'm informed." - Mikesco

            by newfie on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 01:51:45 PM PST

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            •  several studies have shown that conservatives (1+ / 0-)
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              tend to be rigid, liberals are more open. So that fits with your premise.

              While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

              by Tamar on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 02:00:14 PM PST

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  •  One wonders what went on behind the scenes ... (24+ / 0-)

    How did she come to film these attacks with everything else she and her family are dealing with at the moment?  What was she offered to make it "worth her while" and by whom?

    What's galling is that she's lying.  And her deception is pretty easy to prove.  So what is she getting in return?

  •  Another so-called 'high information' voter. (4+ / 0-)
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    Rush would be so proud.

  •  She's pimping for reinstating pre-existing cond. (14+ / 0-)

    The irony is that she is actively campaigning for Koch suckers who would return us to the days of pre-existing condition clauses, which could have either led to her losing her insurance or paying even more for it.

    And she is so ideologically blind that she is too stupid to realize she has BETTER and CHEAPER insurance as a result of the ACA.

  •  Her husband is a GOP operative (49+ / 0-)

    From a comment on my site, Eclectablog:

    The name "Boonstra" sounded familiar, so I did a quick White Pages search. Her Dexter address matches that of Mark Boonstra. I'm guessing they are husband and wife. Mark Boonstra is a long-time Republican activist and County Party Chair who was recently appointed to the Court of Appeals by the Governor. I remember him because we both worked as interns in the office of then-State Senator Anthony Derezinski (D-Muskegon) in the late 70's.

    So, this is no "Mrs. Smith Goes to Washington" spontaneous constituent grievance story. Instead, it sounds more like an episode of political contrivance.

    So, the Repugs set up their own story, and yet this is the best they can come up with?

    Ironically, the Boonstras live in Dexter, the same little village I live in.

    "Back off, man. I'm a scientist."
    -- Dr. Peter Venkman

    Join me, LOLGOP, Anne Savage, and Amy Lynn Smith at Eclectablog.

    by Eclectablog on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 09:31:03 AM PST

  •  amazing... (5+ / 0-)

    sadly this woman isn't the only person in the country with leukemia. surely if her claims were accurate there's be hundreds, maybe thousands sharing her complaint.

    •  Good Point- her "complaint" is what exactly ? (2+ / 0-)
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      I guess most people can do math -

    •  Her Complaint (0+ / 0-)

      I believe her complaint is like so many others.  It bubbles up on the sea of hatred for President Obama that is poisoning her soul.  Seething hatred feeds upon itself, becoming vile and unquenchable.  A committed hater can and will justify anything so long as it may harm the hated one.

      And so it goes with the GOP [God's Only Party] where The Ten Commandments is intended for their enemies but not for them.  Where 'Love Thy Neighbor' is only a suggestion that can be disregarded at will.  And countless other hypocrisies.

      This entire topic disregards the real issue: health care costs in the US are completely out of control.  The ACA is NOT going to make it free or cheap.  It will make it available and affordable.  This woman sounds as if she feels entitled to receive more for less.  In other words, she wants to be a welfare-hating, taker-despising, I-got-mine, rock-headed Republikanite AND to be the beneficiary of government largesse.  She wants to be the person that she hates.

      She is sick - and it's not just her leukemia.

      "The French have no word for entrepreneur!" G. W. Bush

      by bbuudd on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:36:24 AM PST

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  •  Hoping for the best outcome (12+ / 0-)

    in her struggle with cancer.

    Perhaps afterward she can see if her addiction to television cameras is covered.

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 09:32:29 AM PST

  •  What is cancer to Republican rot? (4+ / 0-)

    I offer that this woman has a far more egregious rot and corruption afflicting her than mere leukemia.  It is a corruption transferring to her kids, neighbors, and a nation of persons who are being compelled to vote against their best interests and in the interest of a hateful minority refusing, even rigging, the system to keep themselves from paying their fair share of taxes.  I pity this woman, and not for her cancer.

  •  The moral of this story (1+ / 0-)
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    is that confirmation bias can stand up to imminent mortality itself.

    She seems determined to live out her days in defiant service of ignorance.

    We are pretty well fucked.

  •  The truth is (6+ / 0-)

    Just because you are unfortunate enough to get cancer doesn't mean you aren't still full of shit.

  •  The crux of it is the word "scared". (6+ / 0-)

    Scared people vote republican. Scared people don't think clearly and just react.  She says she's just scared of the cancer, but she also says "now I don't know what I have to pay month to month".  It's fear that has her on the ropes... fear of the new and the unknown.

    I hope she does extremely well with her cancer treatment and even if she doesn't appreciate her benefit of no life time caps, I'll appreciate it for her.

    I want to live in a world where George Zimmerman offered Trayvon Martin a ride home to get him out of the rain that night. -Bishop G. Brewer

    by the dogs sockpuppet on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 09:51:08 AM PST

  •  It sure IS intimidation! (6+ / 0-)
    Just to set the record straight, pointing out factual inconsistencies is not intimidation.
    It's intimidation in the same way that not permitting business owners to discriminate against gays is religious persecution.

    See how easy that was?

    "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" -- (Talbot, in: The Maid of Orleans by Friedrich Schiller)

    by rfall on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 09:51:58 AM PST

  •  How can somebody be so dumb? (1+ / 0-)
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    If Obamacare was repealed we would go back to the pre-Obamacare days when Boonstra could be kicked out of insurance coverage any time at the whim of her insurance company.  Now she has coverage that cannot be cancelled as long as she makes the premium payments and there is no cap on payouts by the insurance company.  This gal is nuts.

  •  The important thing for GOP is to get the lie out (3+ / 0-)
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    I'll just keep reposting this same comment every time a story like this comes out.

    They find misinformed person who is upset at being forced to drop their "junk" insurance and who, out of ignorance, laziness, or stubbornness doesn't research the plans now available to them.  They then parade them all over the media.  By the time people point out the obvious truth that they can now get better coverage through the exchanges--for roughly the same amount--the GOP has already won.  The lie has been broadcast and received.  Any corrections are less likely to stick in peoples minds (if they even hear them all).

    •  Their Game (1+ / 0-)
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      We've seen it ad nauseum.  Tell an incredible, heart-wrenching lie; repeat it frequently until it seems real; then sit back and watch the response as people devote their time and energies to expose the lie and reveal the truth.

      Meanwhile, the next lie is being propagated - and nobody hears or cares about the debunking of the first lie.  It's old news.  The new news is the new lie.

      And so it goes.

      The righties are bullies who are on perpetual offense.  The only way to pull their teeth is to flat out state that they do not care at all about their constituents with statements by people who now have insurance - who know that going back to the way things were is a death sentence.  Statements from people whose spouse died because they lacked health insurance - and that the [R] plan is to keep that system of de facto death panels in place.  

      "The French have no word for entrepreneur!" G. W. Bush

      by bbuudd on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:44:54 AM PST

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  •  With a $6,350 out of pocket max (5+ / 0-)

    she clearly got the silver plan.  If she wanted lower copays she could've chosen the gold or platinum plan.

    Such plans would've had higher premiums, but just a basic perusal of the plan available to Ms. Boonstra in Michigan reveals that even if she doesn't qualify for premium assistance she would still pay lower premiums than she once did under her old plans, plus her out of pocket maximum would've been lower than her old plan.

    It looks like she chose the silver plan precisely because of the lower premiums but now she's complaining that the copays are too high.  

    "Those who have wrought great changes in the world never succeeded by gaining over chiefs; but always by exciting the multitude." - Martin Van Buren

    by puakev on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 10:01:17 AM PST

  •  The Republicans are using a (0+ / 0-)

    scared cancer patients to spread propaganda against Obamacare?

    Its like they are evil.

  •  She Might End Up Having To Sell Some Stock (0+ / 0-)

    When the lies get this bad why should I believe anything that comes out of HER mouth.

    She probably isn't even sick but that's ok FOX news will pay good money to anyone who lies.

  •  Obama MUST come out strongly against this (1+ / 0-)
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    and similar BS Faux-News atrocities. The truth is the only thing that stands between us and a GOP senate after the next election.

    Campaign on how the GOP is trying to defund and derail Medicaid, and throw (sadly deluded) patients like her to the wolves! Or else the GOP will eat us alive!

  •  Koch Brothers are paying her to say this. (3+ / 0-)
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    She is being paid off. She has been given a script to read. Someone needs to do more investigative reporting and find out how much money she was paid to do this commercial.

    "For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it." - President Barack Obama, Second Inaugural Address, January 21, 2013.

    by surfermom on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 10:19:41 AM PST

  •  Not only does this appear to be contrived, (2+ / 0-)
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    but it is also a clear indication of just how deep the Koch Brothers have rotted the fabric of Democracy and decimated common sense.

    Aided and abetted by the Faux Noise propaganda network, this patently false story is being spread to continue to gin up fear in the "low information" voters, to get then to continue to vote AGAINST their own best interests.

    DEMOCRATS - YOU UST SPEAK UP LOUDLY AGAINST THIS - NOW, and CONTINUALLY until election day, or we will LOSE this propaganda war.

    America's LAST HOPE: vote the GOP OUT in 2014 elections. MAKE them LOSE the House Majority and reduce their numbers in the Senate. Democrats move America forward - Republicans take us backward and are KILLING OUR NATION!

    by dagnome on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 10:23:19 AM PST

  •  The Ad Isn't Pitched to Americans. (1+ / 0-)
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    It's pitched to the RW midterm base.

    It doesn't matter one flying fuck what sensible Americans think, they don't turn out like the RW base in these elections. This is a big factor in how the RW has been advancing all these years.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 10:23:46 AM PST

  •  During the "News" piece (1+ / 0-)
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    the only deductible discussed was the one that her ACA compliant policy had. Both policies cost the same when you count premiums and deductible and co-pay as long as her preACA policy had a $0 deductible and a $0 co-pay. Other wise she is paying less for her healthcare with the ACA.

    To any NSA contractor reading this; FU

    by Himself on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 10:25:39 AM PST

  •  the same old story (2+ / 0-)
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    Santa Susanna Kid, hadrons

    many in the 99% vote against their own self interests because they are either uninformed of convinced the dems are the enemy of everything and everyone apple pie and chevrolet.

    no wonder the gop is against education that is their number one weapon in keeping the masses confused and supporting an agenda that is destroying what's left of the american dream.

    save america defeat all republicans and conservatives

  •  FEED ME (1+ / 0-)
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    Julie Boonstra is simply one more spoon fed Goper/Bagger lapdog, incapable of independent thinking; nothing more and nothing less.

  •  Bottom line: very hard to find people adversely (1+ / 0-)
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    affected by the ACA as every story they tried to sell is BS

    "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

    by merrywidow on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 10:37:19 AM PST

  •  I have an issue but is it because finance (0+ / 0-)

    company insurance is SO good that I can not now use out of network doctors like I used that I am in a home office and not in a that insurance is better but I cannot compare it in good faith

    "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

    by merrywidow on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 10:38:37 AM PST

    •  Or, from today's WSJ... (0+ / 0-)

          There are way too may similarities to the WSJ story and

                                  I am not buying the WSJ story because
      anyone who worked in a medical office and was familiar with insurance companies WOULD NOT have accepted an over-the-phone assurance that her very expensive medication would be covered. She would want that in writing.

  •  She seems to have mistaking the term victim, (0+ / 0-)

    for volunteer.

  •  I recently (almost) got into an argument (3+ / 0-)
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    with the Admin of a Facebook blood cancer support group ("MPD Myeloproliferative disease support"). He was warning members about how harmful Obamacare was to them, similar to this woman's debunked assertions.

    I started to politely refute some claims being made & then got hit with Cuba & the evil of socialized medicine. Given that this guy was supposed to be maintaining a safe and supportive space for people dealing with a scary and expensive disease, I decided that the magnitude of stupid was just too big for my weary little self to take on.

    Reason # nnn that I am not optimistic about things.

    •  Anybody who knew me 5 years ago (3+ / 0-)
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      jrooth, JerryNA, scottdc

      knows then I would have taken on this clown full-bore. But my brain just ain't was it was then. This is how they win: they exploit the fears of the weak & vulnerable.

    •  Cuba's life expectancy is nearly equal to the US (2+ / 0-)
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      ...and they spend a fraction of what we do on healthcare.  Not that I expect your admin would be swayed, but the "Do you want to turn us into Cuba?" meme is weak sauce when discussing health care.

      I don't know what's been trickling down, but it hasn't been pleasant---N. Pelosi

      by Russycle on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 11:29:23 AM PST

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  •  I'm my fantasy world, you are arrested for lying (1+ / 0-)
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    in public. You would first be sentenced to probation and madated to engage in public truth telling or be sentenced to long stretches of community service.  

  •  Using her after her story has been debunked! (1+ / 0-)
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    Fox is so sure that facts don't matter that they are confident that using a debunked story as propaganda will still be effective in promoting anti-ACA sentiment.

    That is the really depressing part.

  •  What she's doing, though, jeopardizes every other (0+ / 0-)

    cancer patient in the nation.

    Except not.

    ACA isn't going anywhere, it's here to stay until such a time a national health insurance program is finally adopted.

    This ad isn't going to succeed in doing anything except cost the Koch's so money to run. Let them waste their money, it's fine.

  •  Fox Noise is the only "news" outlet (0+ / 0-)

    that retrieves its own discharged feces from its sewage system and serves it again as leftovers on its dinner table.

    Doorknob-stupid is forever.

  •  This is no "Mrs. Smith Goes to Washington" story. (3+ / 0-)
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    breatheeasy 3000, Yoshimi, JerryNA

    Julie Boonstra is the wife of Mark Boonstra, a long-time Republican activist who recently chaired the Washtenaw County Republican Party.  Professionally, he was a partner at the prestigious Miller Canfield law firm, and was recently appointed to the powerful but obscure Michigan Court of Appeals by Governor Rick Snyder.  Keep in mind that Miller Canfield has an extensive "health care law" clientele, and the Court of Appeals deals with many cases involving pharmaceutical companies, health insurers, hospitals, etc.  

    Congressman Walberg brought Julie Boonstra as his guest to the State of the Union speech, and her ACA  "grievance" was thus showcased.  The whole thing smacks of political contrivance, to put it politely.  It might also raise ethical questions about proper behavior for an appellate judge, and the proper behavior for a member of the House.  Do you really think this is some kind of spontaneous constituent reaction to the ACA?  Of course not.  I smell a dozen rats here.  We need some responsible journalists to sniff this out.

  •  Its shocking to see People (0+ / 0-)

    so eaten up by Hate that they lose all shame.

  •  Is her ideology so ingrained that she would (1+ / 0-)
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    put her life and the lives of others at risk for political belief?  This is insane, seriously.

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 11:46:20 AM PST

  •  Bet She Gets Hefty Money Gifts From Koch Bros. (0+ / 0-)
  •  If she really feels that way (0+ / 0-)

    she can buy insurance without using Obamacare right? If she could find an insurance company that would sell it to her.

  •  Hey lady ... ever heard of Karma? Best of luck. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  So, she lied???? (0+ / 0-)

    IF she lied, we want another video of her refuting the lies or explaining the vast generalization that she made to make it sound like the ACA hurt her.

    Did Koch give her money to cover her expenses?

    Ugh. --UB.

    "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Randian Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of West Dakota!"

    by unclebucky on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 12:57:21 PM PST

  •  I got rid of BC/BS.... n/t (0+ / 0-)

    "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Randian Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of West Dakota!"

    by unclebucky on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 01:00:03 PM PST

  •  OK, so I went to your FOX news link, (0+ / 0-)

    ...and saw that they reported what was said here. In other words, they were acting like what you would call "traditional" media.

    "Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%." - Thomas Jefferson

    by anomoli on Mon Feb 24, 2014 at 01:24:14 PM PST

  •  "Predictability" of health care costs. Watch out. (0+ / 0-)

    I have seen this creep up in discussions about improving if making the costs of treatments more predictable is equivalent to making them fair, equitable, and medically correct.

    I hear it coming out of the mouths of the bean counters who look at everything on paper or on computer monitors rather than in the real world, or in a combination of real world with 'administrative' solutions that lead to the best the right price.

    It's one of those bait and switch items. . . .because 'predictable' sounds attractive.

  •  What one can expect? (0+ / 0-)

    If you  are charged the entire amount of your $6,350 maximum OOP deductible the first day of January,  your hospital will bill you and you may set up a payment plan, just like I have the option to do for surgery I had in January.  This crap about uncertainty is ridiculous.

  •  funny thing (0+ / 0-)

    Right wing ideologues have been telling us for years how we'd all be better off if there could be more "market forces" in health care, where you get to comparison shop when you've dying of appendicitis, because competition is just going to make appendicitis SO much better. And now they complain about unpredictability? Really???

  •  Willingly ignorant (0+ / 0-)

    I would like anybody who has posted favorably for the ACA to respond the following:

    Why would a health insurance industry insider quit her job, write the ACA, stick around to see it passed, then go back into the same for profit corporate insurance industry at a measly salary of $3.5 million/year as a paid lobbyist? Kindness of her foul corporate heart perhaps?

    "It may be too early to render judgment on a law that hasn’t yet been fully implemented, but it is not too early to determine that the profit motive might simply be incompatible with the equitable delivery of healthcare. As matter of course, businesses try to lower costs and increase revenue. That may be okay when they sell scissors or candlesticks, but it seems ill-suited to deliver labor-intensive care for those who are most vulnerable."

    "Many consumer advocates were not enamored with Fowler’s role in healthcare reform and the subsequent implementation of the new law. Glenn Greenwald at The Guardian was particularly blunt about what she represented in Washington.

    “It’s difficult to find someone who embodies the sleazy, anti-democratic, corporatist revolving door that greases Washington as shamelessly and purely as Liz Fowler,” Greenwald wrote.

    On her decision to join Johnson & Johnson, Greenwald said: “This is precisely the behavior which, quite rationally, makes the citizenry so jaded about Washington. It’s what ensures that the interests of the same permanent power factions are served regardless of election outcomes. It’s what makes a complete mockery out of claims of democracy. And it’s what demonstrates that corporatism and oligarchy are the dominant forms of government in the US.”

    Fairly insane for me to witness supposed "progressives" doing victory laps for corporate Amerika as it insures real heal CARE reform dies a quick death in favor of continued obscene profits for the health INSURANCE racket.

    be sure to check the stock prices of these same companies since the ACA was passed.

    •  Most Progressives wanted Single Payer... (0+ / 0-)

      You ask a good question, but on the other hand, why is the right so against the ACA?  They are bought and paid for by the rich.  I for one, can now leave my company without dying or going into bankrupt to prevent it.  That sense of freedom I have now is great.  I also think progressives feel this will lead one day to single payer.

      •  ACA lead to SP? (0+ / 0-)

        Not gonna happen. The purpose of the ACA is to eliminate SP.

        Listen to Bill Moyers fine expose on how the ACA sausage was made.

        Obama was never going for the PO or single payer in any way.

        he's another neo-lib wall st. toady

      •  Another Reason (0+ / 0-)

        Besides the obvious - that it's linked to President Obama.

        In a fascist system, government and corporations are - for all practical purposes - a unity.  No labor unions.  Low wages.  No middle class.  Individuals are totally under the thumb of their employer.

        The purpose of all this is, of course, transfer of wealth from the masses to the corporate-government power brokers.

        The ACA gives us a crack through which we might squeeze through - as you have and as I have.

        This may seem like a little deal.  After all, our fascists have almost everything they could have dreamed for.  

        But their thirst to have it all - ALL - can never be slaked.  Even the smallest bit of diversion will make them blind with raging anger.  Even though I now have health insurance [certainly not cheap, but I have it and it is affordable even though it leaves me with not much disposable income] and my premiums add to the profit of the insurance industry, I am not being forced to give my experienced expertise to the lowest bidder.  I don't owe my soul  - I cannot be squeezed dry by being forced to work OT for free as a salaried person.

        That is to say, in the belief system of the fascist right, freedom is only for them - not for us.

        "The French have no word for entrepreneur!" G. W. Bush

        by bbuudd on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 01:18:22 PM PST

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  •  Think about it.... (0+ / 0-)

    She has cancer. She'll say or do anything for money, including money from the Koch Bros... that's the reality of the USA in 2014. When my mother died from cancer, she sold bogus insurance polices - and knew it  - to get the money to survive. I lost my insurance (paying her bills), and she hoped to earn enough to help me as I was starting a neuro illness...  

    'murica. Work all your life for... this...

  •  The counter ad writes itself. (0+ / 0-)

    No angry or scary voices, a caring voice explaining the facts directly to Mrs. Boonstra.

    I'll tell you right out, I am a man who likes talking to a man who likes to talk. - Kasper Gutman

    by rasbobbo on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:01:34 AM PST

  •  She lied to and mislead... (0+ / 0-)

    ...Possibly thousands of people, but she is the victim?  These right winger are always acting like they are the responsible ones.  Fact is, they never take responsibility, they always are blaming others, always playing the victim.

  •  If she's concerned about consistent payments (0+ / 0-)

    put her health care charges on a credit card, and pay what she's been paying per month, if that's worst case scenario.

    Even better, set up a payment plan with the hospital. Most facilities offer payment arrangements.

    The kingdom of heaven is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it.

    by MasonMcD on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:37:47 AM PST

  •  republican governors murder 54,000 people ech year (0+ / 0-)

    How many suffer stage 10 pain and suffering? How many will die because no intervention and treatment was available? How many will loose all assets ?
    How many Hospitals will face deficits via emergency room cost?
    How much will the deficits of the states increase?
    ANSWER-HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    This is social purging and as criminal as any Nazi or other Human rights criminal-Syria etc- These people suffer long term agonizing physical and mental deaths..

    •  Governors as a de facto 'death panel' (0+ / 0-)

      My daughter lives in lovely Georgia and is waist deep in getting her business off the ground.  She has had no income for over two years.  But because of the idiot governor of Georgia, she is not eligible for insurance - no Medicaid expansion.

      If she weren't so tied to her location at this point, I would do everything I could so she could relocate - but she's locked into her locale.

      I believe the Democratic Party should latch onto this like a rabid dog and strongly advise all budding entrepreneurs that currently reside in such a state as Georgia to relocate and start their business elsewhere.

      "The French have no word for entrepreneur!" G. W. Bush

      by bbuudd on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 01:33:33 PM PST

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  •  Obama didn't give you leukemia... (1+ / 0-)
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    He gave you a health care system that pays for its treatment within the context of society as a whole rather than treating you as if you have some special right to curing it because you're white, conservative, and live above the poverty line. You think your leukemia is any scarier than the leukemia of someone who, before Obamacare, had no hope of affording treatment, or that you'll be missed any more than them if you die from it? Of course you do, that's what makes you a Republican.

  •  ObamaCare (0+ / 0-)

    This whole story doesn't pass the smell test. I wonder why this woman would allow her name and "tale" to be held up as an example of ObamaCare negativity if the truth of her situation is otherwise. I think there were funds passed to he under the table. Oh not a bribe, but something like "out of the goodness of our hearts we want to help you with your medical costs, if you just let us tell your story". I can definitely seeing the Kochs or Faux doing that.

  •  Republicans Stoop to using Cancer Patient (1+ / 0-)
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    a gilas girl

    Caner patient, Julie Boonstra, is appearing in political ads sponsored by the Koch Brothers to support a Republican candidate who is opposed to The Affordable Health Care and Patient Rights Bill.

    Fact Checking has revealed that she is disingenuous about her complaint or ignorant of her benefits under the so called "Obama Care" bill.

    She appeared on Fox TV, of course, to defend her position.  

    It is time that America demand that FOX TV NETWORK NEWS be redefined as a political action committee and not an "entertainment network", and, its cable license revoked.  

    •  Agreed! (0+ / 0-)

      We are dealing with a powerful propaganda machine, the birth of which came about as a result of the repeal of the Equal Time Doctrine which the Right so virulently despises!

      The last thing we want to do is limit free speech. Let Fox peddle its propaganda to its heart's content. Then let them seat a Mike Papantonio or a Randy Rhodes at the other end of the table and give both sides of the issue of the day EQUAL TIME. That would help to weed out the propaganda--and pure malarkey--coming from advocates for BOTH sides.

      No need to revoke licenses. Fox TV Network News should be allowed to say whatever they want, as long as they allow equal time to people with opposing views. All the cable networks would fight it tooth and nail, and under the current rules of our illustrious legislatures, it couldn't even get off the ground.

    •  Don't need a license to operate a cable network (0+ / 0-)

       just ask Pat Robertson...

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 04:57:04 PM PST

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  •  The Obamacare woman (0+ / 0-)

    How much did Fox Noise pay the woman to tell that lie or is she just another sheep being led around by the nose by the Repugs and their hatred for any Obama initiatives because he is black. Do they still keep slaves in VA?

  •  So basically... (0+ / 0-)

    Julie Boonstra is just the Koch Brothers and AFPs lacky (I was going to use another word, starts with 'B', but don't want to sound callous). If she's not callous, and a lacky, then maybe she's just delusional, or maybe just stupid, but she's something, but not truthful or sincere.

  •  LIAR! (0+ / 0-)

    They play this ad over and over again during the evening news, and my husband has to mute the TV because I get so angry that my blood boils.  I think he's afraid I'm going to smash this witch's face (and hence the TV) because I can't abide liars.

  •  kock bros /fraud (0+ / 0-)

    the kock bros are probably paying for her treatment.I am sorry but I have a problem with her credibility of what it actually costs for her care.Until this is verified I just don't believe her.

  •  Upside down and backwards. (0+ / 0-)

    And do not worry they will keep telling everyone the same thing over and over again no matter how often someone tells that it has be proven wrong.  You know black is white and down is up, just ask any good FOX fan.

  •  I wouldn't be surprised if she hates the law, (0+ / 0-)

    because she is being paid to hate it by the Koch brothers et al.

    Wanting to own a gun is an immediate indicator that you should be the last person to have one.

    by pollbuster on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 03:22:45 PM PST

  •  really (0+ / 0-)

    Fuc the Kocks' and Fuc this women. She is stupid and you can't cure that. I hope she survives Cancer but I doubt she will survive stupid.

  •  Eye blinking is a sign of lieing (0+ / 0-)

    if her eyes blinked any faster, she would have lifted off the ground.

  •  Cancer liar playing victim (0+ / 0-)

    Boonstra got busted for being a liar. Half of U.S. women get cancer~~we don't ask for pity. Or go on Faux News to whine. Shut up & pay your premiums. Or get a job that keeps your self-pity at bay. We're tired of hearing bitching when every1's got problems. D'ya have an autistic kid?

  •  Obamacare (0+ / 0-)

    Big money can buy anyone to say anything. The Koch brothers love to buy liars to promote their causes.

  •  So the big question in my mind.... (0+ / 0-) much was she paid to do that ad?  

    The Kochs can afford to sign million-dollar paychecks after all.

  •  Koch payoff (0+ / 0-)

    No doubt big payoff to this woman.  Money trumps truth.

  •  More republican lies (0+ / 0-)

    from a republican liar. She surely banked a huge amount of money for her republican lies from the liars at the lying republican party of liars, that can be applied to her out of pocket expenses. But a lying republican liar is still and always will be a lying republican liar lying republican lies. Its what the republicans do, lie and profit from it.

  •  We are fighting cancer at this moment (2+ / 0-)
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    My wife has stage three co-rectal cancer and this woman has me so upset I can barely control my anger.

    There are a lot of people who are ignorant to the ACA and this fool is out there telling lies for politcal reasons. I don't care that her stupidity is jeaprodizing her health, she made that choice. I care about all the people who listen to this dimwit and choose to not be insured, because of her lies.

    Let's get real here. Her pals at Fox News don't care about this woman's disease. They would probably celebrate her death? It makes a lot better story if she dies and they can blame the ACA.

    I am sorry to be so tough on a lady who is battling a horrible disease, but I feel nothing but anger toward her. I see my wife fight for her life and then this from someone who should know better? It is beyond comprehension how anyone, especially this woman, would participate in a hoax that will take lives.

    I need to shut up before I go way over the line.

    ...the GOP seems perfectly willing to hold their breath until the whole country turns Blue.

    by tommy2tone on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 05:00:49 PM PST

  •  When in the hate (0+ / 0-)

    and misinformation bubble, especially when sick and these people come in telling you how much you've suffered & are going to suffer, it must be hard for her to kick them loose as she probably thinks they're empathically on her side.

    This is really low rent disgusting. Way to go, GOP, this is why you win so many national elections.

  •  another Koch fabrication (0+ / 0-)

    If they keep telling lies often enough, the uninformed(and there too many of them)     believe the liars...That's their stock in trade.....create an atmosphere of fear. There are many lemmings waiting to rush to the surf to drown!

  •  Confused? (1+ / 0-)
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    Which "out of pocket" costs or reasonable tests and medical care did her old insurance cover that a new "Obamacare" approved policy would not cover?

    If her old policy was so wonderful, how did it not meet the minimum requirements of the ACA?

    How about some comprehensive reporting!?

  •  President Obama is God's Choice (0+ / 0-)

    Any mistake the President has made he has apologized for it.   We have never had a perfect President and never will but God is on his side!  King David said it best for those who persecuted him:

    Plead my cause, O LORD, with them that strive with me: fight against them that fight against me.
    Take hold of shield and buckler, and stand up for mine help.
    Draw out also the spear, and stop the way against them that persecute me: say unto my soul, I am thy salvation.
    Let them be confounded and put to shame that seek after my soul: let them be turned back and brought to confusion that devise my hurt.
    Let them be as chaff before the wind: and let the angel of the LORD chase them.
    Let their way be dark and slippery: and let the angel of the LORD persecute them.
    For without cause have they hid for me their net in a pit, which without cause they have digged for my soul.    Psalm 35:1-7 (KJV)  

    Let’s help Mr. President move America forward!  We are long past due!!!

  •  Is she getting paid? (0+ / 0-)

    People don't generally do this kind of thing without some kind of financial remuneration.  My guess is that she's not worried if the Koch bros campaign against the ACA succeeds...because they've quite likely promised to pay for all of her cancer treatments and are paying her a salary for appearing in these ads, as well.

  •  A.H.A. (0+ / 0-)

    She may well have known just what she was paying. But she failed to look closer at her policy. It had limits all over it. The life time limit on a lot of policies  is $1,000,000 after that you are on your own. Sounds like a lot but it is not. I would like for her to show all of us her policy. She got into this or was talked into this by someone. I bet a Tea-Party person that hated the President. Now all we want to see if she is telling the truth as she knows it.

  •  SAD (0+ / 0-)

    No accounting for stupidity!

  •  We can only hope she... (0+ / 0-)

    expires!  FAST!!! That should be a lesson not to lie via Fox News and the right wing extremists! RIP, Julie!

  •  Cancer treatment (0+ / 0-)

    sometimes causes brain damage, I believe -- most Republicans don't have that excuse, however.

  •  Fight Back (0+ / 0-)

    This is a preexisting condition. Without Obama Care she is going to die and if she continue to support the Koch Brothers she is going to die. The Koch Brothers should pay her medical bills since they have her on television lying for them.

  •  It sounds like she prefers to pay up front (0+ / 0-)

    instead of dribbling money out little by little. Even if in the end, worst case, she ends up paying out the same amount, plus gains a lot of things she probably figures she won't need, like no lifetime cap, not getting kicked off the policy, and so on.

    I'd say that that might be an interesting marketing niche for health insurance providers: set a higher premium such that at the end of the year, the individual will have paid the premium plus the max out-of-pocket. Then, if there is an excess, reward the individual by sending them a check for the difference, plus interest.

    The marketing slogan would be: Never pay anything out-of-pocket, plus you get a bonus for being healthy!

  •  My mother (0+ / 0-)

    has some form of leukemia. The treatment and drugs are very expensive.
    Fortunately she also has a pension with life-long benefits, something the Holy Market worshipers wish to make extinct for everyone but themselves.
    That said, I am NOT a fan of the ACA. The market has failed to control costs in our health care/insurance system. In typical American fashion, our government has stepped in to "prove" that this fixed-price, corrupt system is the best way to serve our needs. We're only feeding the beast which is devouring us.

    "To succeed in life, you need two things: ignorance and confidence." - Mark Twain

    by CaptainAnalog on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 11:11:36 AM PST

  •  its a fashion thing (0+ / 0-)

    fors some fashionistas, a black man in the white house is worse than cancer... apparently...

  •  Helloooooo?!! (0+ / 0-)

    What this very stupid (but frightened) woman doesn't realize yet is that her OLD insurance company WOULD LIKELY HAVE CANCELLED HER ALREADY due to her cancer.  If she's breaking even, all things, considered, she's doing well.  The main thing is that she STILL has coverage and the out-of-pocket limits will prevent her from going bankrupt.  

    Republicans ALWAYS have a constant supply of really stupid people to use for the media.  And some people will do anything for money.


    My younger brother told me about a woman he knows, who has one child with a chronic illness. She said that she lost her old health care insurance plan because of Obamacare, and that her new plan would cost her $200 more per month. She was extremely upset about the increased premiums. Well, it turns out that her old program was merely "junk" insurance, with no coverage whatsoever for many of her and her child's medical costs, and with a high price for deductibles. Her new health care plan under Obamacare is more more comprehensive, and out-of-pocket expenses have been greatly lowered. And finally, the woman learned that under Kentucky's state Medicaid program, she'd end up paying only about $100 per month for insurance for herself and her daughter.

    THE MORAL OF THIS STORY IS... A lot of folks are talking smack about Obamacare before actually finding out the facts of how it works. I sort of blame President Obama for the misinformation and lack of details about how the program works before its implementation. (Also, that whole, "If you like the insurance you have, you can keep it," debacle.) Also, this woman lives in Kentucky, and Governor Steve Beshear has been extremely cooperative about Obamacare and the state's Medicaid programs. I think most of those having trouble with the new health care law either live in states with Republican-led legislatures, or they're just too lazy and/or stupid to do the research.

  •  The Koch Brothers (0+ / 0-)

    are living proof that some of the worst scumbags are filthy rich people.

    They're so rich, they can afford to air condition Hell; they're going to need it, because there is a special place reserved for them in HELL.

  •  Were I a betting man... (0+ / 0-)

    I'd bet the Koch Bros. have made suitable arrangements to pay for any requisite health care as long as she keeps making asinine comments to the press.

  •  People send me links to anti-ACA FB rants (0+ / 0-)

    And I am almost always able to debunk anti-ACA rants using (thus, avoiding the satanic website.)  All i need is a zip code, the person's age, and their income IF they want to find out whether they can get a discount on their insurance premium.

    I've only had one person who paid more for less under ACA (and I question whether the coverage is really worse than what that person had.  I had to assume he was being honest with me.)


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