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Former President Bill Clinton is campaigning in Kentucky today for Democratic Senate candidate Allison Lundergan Grimes in her bid to unseat Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul, the state's junior senator, isn't too happy about it.

Speaking to NBC's Kasie Hunt ahead of Clinton's visit, Paul said:

You know, it concerns me.
And why does it "concern" this professional troll?
The thing is, I think workplace violence is a serious thing.
Yes, I remember Paul saying the same exact thing when he explained his support for expanding background checks on assault weapons purchases. Not. Anyway:
If the president of your network had relations with a 20 year-old girl who was there from college, I think the president of your network would be fired.
Actually, I doubt his hypothetical conjecture is correct, but now you see where this is going, though I'm sure there never was any doubt in your mind. It's more Clinton Derangement Syndrome from Rand:
If that's what Bill Clinton did multiple times, really they ought to be concerned about being associated with him.
Okay, nobody defends what President Clinton did. Not even Clinton himself. It was wrong. But it's also old news that has been rehashed to death. Everybody's made up their minds about it. After twenty years, it's time to move on.

Maybe that explains why Paul feels compelled to embellish facts, saying that Lewinsky was a girl when she was a woman, claiming that she was a college student when she was a college graduate, and suggesting that Clinton had "multiple" similar affairs without providing any evidence.

But no matter how much Paul enhances the story, this central fact will remain: He's talking about something that's completely irrelevant to the daily lives of men and women in Kentucky and around the country.

Meanwhile, the most relevant thing about the Clinton years is this: The economy was pretty good and things were headed in the right direction. That's why Republicans like Rand Paul don't want Democrats to be seen in public with Bill Clinton. And that's why smart Democrats like Allison Lundergan Grimes aren't going to listen to trolls like Rand Paul.

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  •  More wisdom from Aqua Buddha lover (36+ / 0-)

    the same asshole who abducted a young woman and forced her to pray to Aqua Buddha trying to dispense advice on how to treat women.

    Fucking unreal.  I really wish someone would call him out on his bullshit.

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:12:28 AM PST

    •  Profile from GQ (23+ / 0-)
      The strangest episode of Paul's time at Baylor occurred one afternoon in 1983 (although memories about all of these events are understandably a bit hazy, so the date might be slightly off), when he and a NoZe brother paid a visit to a female student who was one of Paul's teammates on the Baylor swim team. According to this woman, who requested anonymity because of her current job as a clinical psychologist, "He and Randy came to my house, they knocked on my door, and then they blindfolded me, tied me up, and put me in their car. They took me to their apartment and tried to force me to take bong hits. They'd been smoking pot." After the woman refused to smoke with them, Paul and his friend put her back in their car and drove to the countryside outside of Waco, where they stopped near a creek. "They told me their god was 'Aqua Buddha' and that I needed to bow down and worship him," the woman recalls. "They blindfolded me and made me bow down to 'Aqua Buddha' in the creek. I had to say, 'I worship you Aqua Buddha, I worship you.' At Baylor, there were people actively going around trying to save you and we had to go to chapel, so worshiping idols was a big no-no."

      Nearly 30 years later, the woman is still trying to make sense of that afternoon. "They never hurt me, they never did anything wrong, but the whole thing was kind of sadistic. They were messing with my mind. It was some kind of joke." She hadn't actually realized that Paul wound up leaving Baylor early. "I just know I never saw Randy after that—for understandable reasons, I think."

      I guess you can chalk this up as youthful indiscretions though.  Funny how conservatives always have an excuse.

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:17:05 AM PST

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      •  Now if she had given him a blow job then it would (2+ / 0-)
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        be really a more significant event donchatink?

        •  Well maybe she chose not to. (5+ / 0-)

          I mean look at him.  

          But yeah I guess getting a blow job from a consenting adult at your office is far more significant than abducting someone, forcing them to do drugs, throwing them in your car, driving while under the influence and forcing her to pray to aqua buddha.

          This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

          by DisNoir36 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:32:01 AM PST

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      •  Wash Post confirmed Rand Paul abduction claim (2+ / 0-)
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        The woman who claimed she was abducted by Rand Paul while they were students at Baylor University in the GQ account repeated that claim for the Washington Post in 2010, although she said she did not consider it a kidnaping and treated the incident as a weird joke. But she said they did tie her up, took her for a ride to a room filled with pot smoke and told her to smoke pot, then took her out to a creek and made her worship Aqua Buddha. She is now a clinical psychologist and did not want her name used because she feared complicating Paul's Senate run could expose her to danger. See http://voices.washingtonpost.com/...

        •  Thanks for that link... (0+ / 0-)

          Though I think that it contradicts, rather than confirms, that it was an "abduction", at least in the legal sense.

          •  Not sure if it contradicts (0+ / 0-)

            Either way she was not consenting to being taken for a ride.  Also completely overlooked was the illegal drug use, driving while under the influence and the complete stupidity of forcing anyone to bow down and worship something called the Aqua Buddha.  THAT alone should disqualify Randy from being anywhere near a position of power.

            This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

            by DisNoir36 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 12:40:51 PM PST

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            •  She didn't say... (0+ / 0-)

              ...she was not consenting.  

              ...she said she did not consider it a kidnapping and treated the incident as a weird joke.
              If she wasn't consenting, then it would be a kidnapping.  It sounds to me like it was a weird prank that she reluctantly went along with.

              As for illegal drug use, DUI, and making up crazy imaginary religious icons, that part actually sounds like something my friends and I would have done at that age.

              •  Reluctantly went along with? (0+ / 0-)

                I don't think she had any choice in the matter.

                I get it.  I did and had some stupid shit done to me too.  I was also taken along for a ride blindfolded and dumped in State Island, then told to make my way back to campus as part of a fraternity prank.  

                The difference is I'm not a prominent national politician obsessing over a fucking blow job from 15 years ago and going on national media making an ass of myself over said blowjob.

                This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

                by DisNoir36 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 02:50:50 PM PST

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                •  If she didn't have any choice in the matter... (0+ / 0-)

                  ...why did she "not consider it a kidnapping"?  When you're taken somewhere without your consent, that's kidnapping.

                  Maybe this story undermines his support from Christian fundamentalists, but for me and, I think, a lot of people, it doesn't move the needle at all. I'm much more disturbed by his present behavior, and if you were looking to secure my vote against him, I think that would be where to focus.

      •  Randy... (0+ / 0-)

        I love that he changed his name from Randy.  

        This guy is a silver spoon dweeb, turned hateful, holier-than-thou libertarian who allegedly believes everyone should make it solely on their own merit even though he rode his daddy's coattails all the way into politics.  

        Pull up the ladder as soon as you get to the top.  Libertarian, my backside.

    •  No kidding (6+ / 0-)

      time to throw this back at him.

    •  aquabud (2+ / 0-)
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      You beat me to it.

    •  He just opens his mouth and the foolish comes out. (4+ / 0-)
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      Tonedevil, Aunt Pat, Matt Z, Dodgerdog1

      Monica was 23, not a 20 year old on a summer vacation.  If he gets away with 20 why not 17?  why not 14.

      statuatory rape coming to a mouth near Rand Paul.

      •  And she was not an intern at that point (4+ / 0-)
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        She was a paid staffer.

      •  She was of legal age --a consenting adult (3+ / 0-)
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        the issues after that are between Bill, Hillary and Monica.

        That whole witch-hunt always made me sick.

        "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

        by GreenMother on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:49:25 AM PST

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        •  The beginning of the Ken Star Inquisition was a (0+ / 0-)

          real Hester Prinn moment for me.

          I don't see why Bill ever felt compelled to answer. It was of no consequence.

          "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

          by GreenMother on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:59:12 AM PST

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        •  There was power inequality (2+ / 0-)
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          but it was two adults and there was consent within the meaning of the law.

          I wonder why Rand Paul is so silent on that Congressional Representative across the border in TN who forced his GF to get an abortion?  Or on all the other sexual reprobates and predators in his own party?

          “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

          by ivorybill on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:37:08 AM PST

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          •  Adult people sometimes pursue sexual liasons (2+ / 0-)
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            in areas that may be in bad taste, but that are not illegal.

            In cases where no laws were broken and no one was hurt--professionally or medically--I really don't want to know.

            And in this case, no one had to be hurt professionally. So IMHO this was bullying of both parties for political reasons and for the sake of being cruel.

            Once again, I am more interested in the president's performance as the president. What has that person accomplished after he or she was voted into office?

            Also, holding Hillary responsible for President Clinton's wandering eye is just ridiculous. I don't expect spouses to keep each other literally on a leash like dogs. If someone suggested a man control his wife to that degree or be responsible for the result--that would piss me off too. They are married. But they do not "own" each other. They are individually responsible for their own actions.

            "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

            by GreenMother on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 12:42:38 PM PST

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      •  She was a 22 year old college graduate at the time (0+ / 0-)

        Not 20 and not 23

        •  And she told some of her friends (2+ / 0-)
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          That she had her sights set on getting really friendly with the President. So their liaison was not just Clinton's idea.

          Still, I wish the Republicans would get it through their thick heads that I don't give a damn who a politician has sex with as long as he or she gets their job done, and that they don't do it during working hours.

      •  Per Wikipedia, Monica turned age "22," in July of (0+ / 0-)

        1995, the year that the affair began in November.

        Rand Paul is the least of HRC's worries.

        From what I've seen on YouTube video--I would be worried that Monica HERSELF might come out against FP Clinton.

        Forget what Rand Paul says--what do you expect a potential opposing candidate to say?

        I think that Paul's tactic is designed to shut down Dems' appeal "to women voters."  

        Which may work in some quarters--more conservative Independents, for instance.  OTOH, nothing would sway conservative Repubs, so why sweat it.

        The best strategy may be to ignore this since constant hand-wringing by Progressives may serve to give the storyline more credibility and life.

        And it will certainly bring up a chapter that NO ONE cares to revisit--least of all the Clintons.
        \

        Mollie

        "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


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        by musiccitymollie on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 12:49:08 PM PST

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    •  Poor Buddha--just saying (3+ / 0-)
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      Poor all of us, that someone like that can reach such prominence. It causes me to check the seams of reality for a serious tear.

      "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

      by GreenMother on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:47:48 AM PST

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    •  I'm sure Paul would say that it's old history. (2+ / 0-)
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      Time to move on to more recent things, like Bill Clinton's affar.

      Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfu*king snows on this motherfu*king plain!

      by shoeless on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:48:14 AM PST

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  •  Rand, who the fuck cares? (9+ / 0-)

    If you think bringing this shit back out is going to hurt Clinton and the candidates he endorses, you're wrong. Rand's probably just pissed because his wife won't blow him. With that hair, I don't blame her.

  •  Who cares about Monica Lewinski? (11+ / 0-)

    People who cared about Monica Lewinski, a lot, circa 1996. That is to say, dyed-in-the-wool conservatives of a certain age.

    Rand Paul speaks the language of wingnut to the true believers, who give him an amen! In the mean time, 80% or more of Kentucky's voters, including all the moveable swing voters, yawn in his general direction.

    Purity is for primaries; in the general, our worst are better than their best.

    by blue aardvark on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:15:54 AM PST

  •  Monica was just shy of her 22nd birthday when she (17+ / 0-)

    met President Clinton.

    It bugs me that republicans get away with talking about a "20-year old girl."

    She was a college graduate, out in the adult world, not a dependent student intern.

    This may be a nit, but this type of lie makes a difference and is the republican modus operandi--which they constantly get away with unchallenged.

    Such an obvious and simple fact--but never corrected, and the lie becomes reality to an uninformed public.

    Some people fight fire with fire. Professionals use water.

    by Happy Days on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:16:13 AM PST

  •  Has anyone fact checked Rand Paul on this? (9+ / 0-)

    I'm betting he lifted these talking points from someone else. Rand hasn't had an original thought since.. well, since he dreamt up Aqua-Buddha. Hell, even that was probably somebody else's idea. For a serial plagiarist to be giving ANYONE advice is bad. For anyone to take him seriously is just plain stupid.
     

    Food processed to be nothing more than simple starches with two dozen flavorings and stabilizers added to make it appear to be food isn't "food". It's "feed" -- what you give to livestock to fatten them up for slaughter.

    by ontheleftcoast on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:16:48 AM PST

  •  With that hair.... (1+ / 0-)
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    he is just the person to be giving advice about acting one's age.  

    It's all a Communist PLOT!

    by quiet in NC on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:17:24 AM PST

  •  The half-life... (4+ / 0-)
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    ...of the Lewinsky story has come and gone.  

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:19:21 AM PST

  •  Oh Aqua Buddha. Come 'ere, let me rub your belly. (2+ / 0-)
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    I'll tell you right out, I am a man who likes talking to a man who likes to talk. - Kasper Gutman

    by rasbobbo on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:19:41 AM PST

  •  Rand Paul, the ultimate plagiarizing concern (3+ / 0-)
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    troll with no substance, just a loud mouth.

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    by wishingwell on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:20:00 AM PST

  •  Let me see if I understand this (13+ / 0-)

    The president has an affair, and his wife will suffer a decade plus later when she runs for president after the a successful stint as both a senator and the secretary of state and who's husband is still a hell of a people-to-the-polls-mover for the democratic party...

    seems logical.

    Also, I am currently wiring money to a Nigerian prince that I am the last living relative of who won the lotto but needs help sneaking his Swiss funds out of the country

    Nicht durch Zorn, sondern durch Lachen tödtet man. ~Nietzsche

    by somewierdguy on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:20:10 AM PST

  •  When in reality what they should be doing (3+ / 0-)

    is plagiarizing speeches from the Wiki, right Rand? Or, better yet, creating "boards", out of thin air, with the specific purpose of certifying you...

    Let's be real here Rand- if a young, 20 something year old intern, offered to give you a blowjob, you wouldn't turn it down. The problem you have with it is: no young, 20 something year old intern, is offering to give you one.  One might call that jealousy, and it's really, really unbecoming Rand, not that you were actually ever, ya know, "becoming" in the first place.

    Have you actually noticed that people are actively mocking you for this line of attack Rand?  

    You can get animals addicted to a harmful substance, you can dissect their brains, but you throw their own feces back at them, and suddenly you're unprofessional. -Amy Farrah Fowler/The Big Bang Theory -7.50, -5.03

    by dawgflyer13 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:20:11 AM PST

  •  Thing is... (16+ / 0-)

    ...if they/he had anything better, they'd be saying that instead.

    That's all you need to know.

  •  This can't be fun for the Galtmeister. (16+ / 0-)

    He can't bring himself to campaign for McConnell, a man for whom he feels deep contempt, so he has to campaign against a visiting fundraiser-surrogate of McConnell's opponent. To demonstrate that his "he asked me" endorsement actually means something.

    I believe the phrase is "weak tea."

    Still, hard to blame him. Mitch has done something nobody thought possible: united Kentuckians. They all hate him.

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:21:06 AM PST

  •  Isn't this the same guy who sicced his thugs (27+ / 0-)

    on a protester and had them stamp her head in because he didn't like what she was saying? Yeah, workplace violence really sucks.

    ... all that oration sounds like capitulation now.

    by Darwinita on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:21:23 AM PST

  •  Is Senator Paul suggesting Secretary Clinton (3+ / 0-)
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    not be associated with her husband?
    That's gonna be tough with Republicans hammering that point home every 2 seconds.

    I ain't often right, but I've never been wrong. Seldom turns out the way it does in this song.

    by mungley on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:21:52 AM PST

  •  Rand Paul wishes he could damage Hillary (3+ / 0-)
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    with this... NOPE... sorry Rand.  this won't do it.

  •  What I would like to see again (0+ / 0-)

    I'd give my left nut to once again see the cooperation between a democrat and the congress that was seen when Clinton was president.  Look what was accomplished then.

    •  ??? (5+ / 0-)

      You mean the Congress that twice managed to shut down the government because Newt Gingrich didn't get everything he wanted?

      The one that took out the "Contract on America" to see how much faster Reagan's dream of killing the middle class could be accomplished?

      The one that destroyed Glass-Steagal and led us to the 2007 meltdown of the global economy?

      Um, no thanks, I don't want that kind of "cooperation" ever again.

      Food processed to be nothing more than simple starches with two dozen flavorings and stabilizers added to make it appear to be food isn't "food". It's "feed" -- what you give to livestock to fatten them up for slaughter.

      by ontheleftcoast on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:30:06 AM PST

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      •  Nothing's been perfect (0+ / 0-)

        Sure, anyone can present negatives about just about any period in American political dealings.  I know that.

        Just my perspective on what happened during some of the Clinton years.  Yes, lots of things weren't perfect then.  But, some things were pretty damn good.  Wishing for those day.  

        •  But you make the mistake of thinking getting (1+ / 0-)
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          Democrats to act like Republicans helped create those days.

          Those days were an illusion created by the binge spending of the Reagan years and the massive credit debt run up by average Americans swept up in the fury of crazed consumerism often on credit. It was unsustainable and can't be repeated.

          Food processed to be nothing more than simple starches with two dozen flavorings and stabilizers added to make it appear to be food isn't "food". It's "feed" -- what you give to livestock to fatten them up for slaughter.

          by ontheleftcoast on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:42:35 AM PST

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    •  You mean stuff like Glass Steagal repeal? (2+ / 0-)
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      Welfare reform?  That sort of thing?  

      Or are you instead referring to when the GOP congress worked with Clinton to impeach him and remove him from office?  Now that was some warm fuzzy bipartisanship!

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:38:31 AM PST

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      •  The commenter pines for "the good ole days" (2+ / 0-)
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        And in more ways than one. They suffer from an extreme case of blindness to white privilege and I'm guessing a few other social conditions.

        Food processed to be nothing more than simple starches with two dozen flavorings and stabilizers added to make it appear to be food isn't "food". It's "feed" -- what you give to livestock to fatten them up for slaughter.

        by ontheleftcoast on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:54:38 AM PST

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      •  Here's the (0+ / 0-)

        thing. A lot of people just remember that the 90's were AWFULLY good for them. They had jobs. They had money in their pockets. Yeah, we had a terrorist attack but he was found quickly not allowed to run loose or escape like Osama did. Screaming things like Glass Stegall does not change their minds. People are really suffering now, suffering a lot. Obama hasn't done much to alleve that suffering.

        It's the policy stupid

        by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:57:43 AM PST

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        •  Much of today's suffering (0+ / 0-)

          can be traced to the repeal of Glass Steagal, which was a bipartisan effort.  In many ways, "bipartisanship" is a euphemism for serving corporate interests.

          "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

          by Subterranean on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:45:46 AM PST

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          •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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            people don't want to hear that. What they want to hear is how you are going to make their life better. If you truly believe that it's the problem then get someone to explain how it's the problem and then tell them how you can fix that and then tell them how this is going to bring a job to their hometown.

            It's the policy stupid

            by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:57:26 AM PST

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            •  Anger at the financial sector remains (0+ / 0-)

              I'm not quite sure what you're driving at, but people understand at some level that the financial sector is out of control.  Anyways I wasn't commenting on what people believe, I was observing what is.

              What little bipartisanship there was in 90s produced extremely bad results.  Usually the only thing dems and republicans can agree on is serving corporate interests, and those interests were served very well in the 90s, to the detriment of the middle class.  

              "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

              by Subterranean on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 12:52:53 PM PST

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          •  Ditto, Sub! N/T (0+ / 0-)

            Mollie

            "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


            hiddennplainsight--Relaunched 2014!

            by musiccitymollie on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 02:25:30 PM PST

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      •  Hear, hear, Sub! ;-) N/T (0+ / 0-)

        Mollie

        "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


        hiddennplainsight--Relaunched 2014!

        by musiccitymollie on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:55:02 PM PST

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  •  Lies are very instructive (1+ / 0-)
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    Rand is suppose to be dissing Obama for campaigning  against Mitch and for Allison Lundergan Grimes.  In other words attack Obama, attack Allison praise Mitch why bother attacking Clinton?
       Why waste air time trying to motivate the hard core GOP base with old Clinton scandals Unless the GOPhard core base is not motivated?

    •  TCU, Rand is trying to accomplish several things. (1+ / 0-)
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      At least, I perceive him to be.

      He is attempting to co-opt Dems from their usual attempt to go after "the women's vote."

      IOW, he wants to make it so uncomfortable (by dredging up this awful chapter) for all Dems to even "talk about women."

      He's also has a strong lead in some polls over all the potential 2016 candidates with "youth."

      Many of them wouldn't be old enough to "remember" MonicaGate--so he's making sure that one of the Dem strongholds, will hear negatives that they are mostly unaware of (not that I believe that it will work, except among the most conversative and/or evangelical youth).

      Some conservative bloggers consider him "fair game" because the "First Spouse" has a somewhat formal "role," if you will.  (unlike a child of a political candidate)

      I think that instead of obsessing over MonicaGate, progressives need to recruit a truly liberal or progressive candidate if they hope to take the youth vote in 2014 and 2016.  

      There could be a sea change--that is, if the bumper stickers and signs on our university campus in 2012 were any indication of a huge "swing to libertarian ideology."

      Democrats definitely have their work "cut out for them" in 2014 and 2016.

      They have alienated so many seniors and the youth!

      BUT, they can still wake up and change course--if only they will!!!!

      ;-)

      Mollie

      "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


      hiddennplainsight--Relaunched 2014!

      by musiccitymollie on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 02:41:20 PM PST

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      •  I agree we need a more (1+ / 0-)
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        Progressive candidate. I agree Rand is trying to get us to stop talking about Woman's issues.
            But I think Rand is the last guy who should be speaking for the GOP on this issue.
           This can easily back fire on the GOP. Whats next get Dick Cheney to make an anti torture commercial.
            Rand is the GOP's best hope to get the youth vote why would anyone sane make him risk his Cred with Youth by making him talk about Woman's issues and Bill and Monica.
           

        •  Hey, trust me--not trying to take up for Rand Paul (0+ / 0-)

          But it is the real risk that Dems run, if they put HRC up as their Presidential candidate.

          Let's face it, FP Clinton's past is well-known and documented--so it is 'old news,' except for the very young.

          And regarding the polls that show Paul very strong among youth, he probably feels emboldened because he does have relatively strong support among them.

          Again, it seems that progressive blogs tend to amplify this, which I would "imagine" is the last thing that the Clinton camp needs to have front-and-center.

          I would ignore him--at least until he actually makes a formal bid for President (if he even does).

          MonicaGate would only affect the opinion of a VERY small portion of conservative young people--mostly evangelicals.

          And they probably wouldn't have considered voting for HRC, anyway.

          (Trust me--I can't throw a rock out the door without hitting a hoard of these folks--I know, LOL!)

          Mollie

          "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


          hiddennplainsight--Relaunched 2014!

          by musiccitymollie on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 06:52:32 PM PST

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  •  Serial plagiarists who live in glass houses (1+ / 0-)
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    should not throw stones.

  •  I defend what President Clinton did. (0+ / 0-)

    He got a blowjob from an intern.

    WHO FUCKING CARES?

    29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:25:24 AM PST

  •  "Had relations"???? What is he, in an (0+ / 0-)

    Eddie Murphy movie???

    He just may be, and we are all in it too; as I have said many times, it now feels like we are in a really really bad movie.

    Please know I am not rude. I cannot rec anything from this browser. When I rec or post diaries I am a guest at some exotic locale's computer. Ayn is the bane!

    by Floyd Blue on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:25:50 AM PST

  •  Well timed comments, aren't they? (1+ / 0-)
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    I just saw on MSNBC some footage of The Big Dog who is going to be in Kentucky campaigning for Allison Grimes.  

    It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

    by Radiowalla on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:26:12 AM PST

  •  I cant fault Rand for this strategy (0+ / 0-)

    Even if L'affaire Lewinsky is irrelevant today, its based in actual reality, not the alternative reality most GOP talking points are based on like IRS and Bengazhi.
    I am sure if its a GOP Prez that had the scandal Bill had, some dems would latch on it hoping the sparks turn into an inferno.

  •  As Jed said (1+ / 0-)
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    Clinton's affairs have already been "adjudicated" by the public long ago.  When Clinton first got into office, there were voters in KY who used the Flowers allegations as an excuse to vote Republican in 1994 and in the rest of the 90s.  But there is a new bug a boo for conservative voters in KY, and he is called Obama.  Clinton's time in office with the economy is looked fondly upon by most in KY.  Besides, we already had an impeachment trial for Clinton, and the country has moved on.

    And a newsflash for you Rand, KY voters have moved on also.  Most voters live in the now, except it seems for conservative Republicans who are in the minority.

  •  How did consensual relations (7+ / 0-)

    turn into workplace violence? Sounds like he's projecting.

    I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

    by jhecht on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:30:02 AM PST

  •  the fact that B. Clinton (4+ / 0-)
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    had an affair reflects in what way on H. Clinton's qualifications and capabilities to be president, exactly?

    Is he going to start trying to attach H.C. to Gingrich's gov't shutdowns next?

    "Labor was the first price, the original purchase - money that was paid for all things" -- Adam Smith

    by HugoDog on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:31:30 AM PST

  •  The lesson, as always, (0+ / 0-)

    Never act on electoral concerns raised by somebody whose No. 1 concern is to beat you in an election.

  •  What a scam (0+ / 0-)

    Swindling his constituents by diverting their attention to the stained on the blue dress of Monica Lewinsky is a scam worthy of Rand Paul.

  •  Well I heard that George Washington (0+ / 0-)

    was a little randy...:)

    Of course it was wrong, it was a long time ago and hey what happened to the Christian values of forgiveness and redemption?

    sh

  •  Lighten up, Randall (0+ / 0-)

    No Democrat condones sexual harassment in the workplace or anywhere else. But the cynical way you bring this up when, in fact, you probably couldn't give a fuck about it is typical of Republicans. Lies out of the mouth, truth out the ass.

    And as the song and dance begins, the children play at home with needles, needles and pins.

    by The Lone Apple on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:34:15 AM PST

  •  What else does this tell us (0+ / 0-)

    It tells us Rand has a compartmentalized  mind he sees no link to what Bill did a consensual  affair between adults and his kidnapping a young college student and trying to get her to smoke pot and worship a Pagan God, one must wonder why he did not try and have sex with the girl he kidnapped maybe bondage is more his thing?  Anyway
          Look at the language used

    The thing is, I think workplace violence is a serious thing.
    If the president of your network had relations with a 20 year-old girl who was there from college, I think the president of your network would be fired.
         Lets note Rand  thinks workplace violence is a serious thing just not student on student violence? Or is kidnapping female students not a violent act?  See his mind is starting to unravel he is projecting his own deeds and desires onto Bill Clinton he envies Bill Clinton deep down.

          Monica was a college Graduate, a Woman not a girl and as I note a consenting Adult unlike Rand's girl  Rand talks about himself when he talks about Bill.

  •  When's The Purge Of GOP Philanderers? (2+ / 0-)
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    Rick Santorum will be the last man standing.

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:38:07 AM PST

    •  Come on...the way Santorum projects? (0+ / 0-)

      He's got something to hide...

      "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

      by Orinoco on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 12:27:30 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  If any GOP is going to be the last man standing (0+ / 0-)

      It's gonna be that cosplaying dweeb and wannabe filmmaker James O'Keefe. Can you imagine?

      No... just no. Impossible. Never gonna happen. Not that he isn't trying, but... no.

      "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

      by Orinoco on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 12:32:06 PM PST

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  •  Paul is a complete and total piece of shit (1+ / 0-)
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    In a fair world we'd not even know he existed.

    In a heinously fucked up world, he'd be in power.

    Guess which world WE live in....

    Legal means "good".
    [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

    by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:38:13 AM PST

  •  running away (0+ / 0-)

    Too many Dems allow R slurs to damage reputations --the nicest president in all our history--Jimmy Carter--is not used in campaigns.  He was blamed for inflation inherited from unpaid Vietnam costs--and for the Iran crisis--which no president since has handled--and which was simmering since the early 1950s.  Stop running away from the best of us--if it was in our system of accolades-- he would be sainted.   He is what I want in politicians--and in friends and family.

    Actions speak louder than petitions.

    by melvynny on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:39:01 AM PST

    •  Once upon a time, Harry Reid was a trained boxer (3+ / 0-)

      and, apparently, he punched some guy out or choked the shit out him for making some sort of threat against him.

      Where is THAT harry?

      Dems are defined by their obsequiousness and their refusal to kick ass when the monet calls for it.

      How many times between 2002 and 2008 did we hear about "keeping the powder dry?" COUNTLESS. All they did was embolden the bullies we now see bullying all over America.

      DEms are totally invested in weenery, which is likely just their schtick in the Great Kabuki of the USA.

      it sucks.

      My experience with being bullied is beat one of them up sufficently, the rest leave you alone.

      But not until.

      There is no need for human beings to be a spineless and weak as dems generally portray themselves.

      Kabuki is the default explanation.

      Legal means "good".
      [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

      by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:51:37 AM PST

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  •  rand paul - (1+ / 0-)
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    america's board certified skidmark.

  •  I'm sure has beaten me to it but.. (1+ / 0-)
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    Monica was 22 years old and several months, not 19 or 20.  That makes her a consenting adult any way you look at it and I do not remember her ever raising an issue about coercion or sexual harassment. I think it was a bad idea for Bill but chit does happen, even at work.

  •  Rand Paul can't do math (0+ / 0-)

    Monica Lewinsky wasn't 20 when she began working at the White House.  She was 22 and a college graduate.

  •  Wait - if the president of the network had a (0+ / 0-)

    consensual hookup with a college-age intern, wouldn't they be a character on an immensely popular sitcom?

    I haz a confused :(

    Signature (this will be attached to your comments)

    by here4tehbeer on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:57:57 AM PST

  •  Clinton Better Economy Than Reagan (0+ / 0-)

    There is nothing economically that Reagan did that Clinton did not do better.

    Really even as much as we tend to dislike his business friendly approach I'd say the middle class and working class lost less under Clinton than Obama.

    •  What? You didn't like the two Reagan recessions? (0+ / 0-)

      How about the millions of lost jobs during the Reagan years? Wasn't that fun?

      Funny how Republicans don't know that any of that happened. Maybe they were all out of the country for 8 years.

      Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfu*king snows on this motherfu*king plain!

      by shoeless on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:24:45 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  When stuck in a traffic jam, do you think.. (0+ / 0-)

    "who did this to me?"  That was his initial  comment to Bridgegate.   No Rand, but I am not that egotistical.  Perhaps this is a window into the self-serving libertarian soul.   I find that extremely weird!

  •  High level execs do lose their jobs for that kind (0+ / 0-)

    of thing in both the private and public sectors.

    Check out Christopher Kubasik, Harry Stonecipher, David Petraeus, Brian Dunn,Mark Hurd,Kenneth Melani, Stephen MacMillan.

    Which is germaine to nothing at this point, except to cast aspersions on Clinton's character, which is fair game in politics.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:05:41 AM PST

  •  Rand Paul? (0+ / 0-)

    Where was he on this when Aqua Buddha did his kidnap-bondage scene in college?   (OK, he was more interested in getting her stoned.  I don't think you could sustain anything in the realm of sexual assault.  And I assume that in 1983 there was no anti-hazing law in Texas, which would have automatically criminalized this.  In Massachusetts at that time, he'd do at least some time in the slammer and his family would be at the receiving end of that state's voracious tort-law bar.

  •  He is a tea party intellectual (1+ / 0-)
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    which basically means, he wears slip on shoes as  shoe laces are just to confusing for him.  

  •  Journalists, Get Facts Straight & Call Him Out (1+ / 0-)
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    Then ask him about his antics and plagiarisms.  He is so slimy when talking about other people's lives.  Maybe he missed his calling by not taking a job as a trashy newspaper reporter.  

    Rand Paul is such a piece of work. From his phoney medical organization certification to his somewhat hidden Jim Crow views.  This guy needs to get straightened out publicly.

  •  What a warped, jerked-up miscreant — (0+ / 0-)

    whose own party cost the economy $54 BILLION with their frat-house 'shutdown' extravaganza — fixating like a disturbed juvenile on Bill Clinton's penis.

    ... which was, you'll remember, 'befriended' by a privileged tart who bragged that she was going to Washington to "earn [her] presidential kneepads"... all under the expert supervision of the lovely Linda Tripp and their consigliere, the truly execrable Lucianne Goldberg.

    My guess? Randy's working out his conflicts over that time in high school when the entire football team 'had its way' with him behind the gym.

  •  Iraq is fair game, then, right? (0+ / 0-)

    Let's talk about Iraq and about a rushed war with no exit plan.  Let's talk about that!

  •  Yes, it certainly was a terrible thing... (0+ / 0-)

    ...and lessee, I think they (republic party) impeached him for it.

    And they also tried to fire him, but that didn't pass the Senate.  So there's that.

    His wife forgave him (whether or not anyone thinks she should have).

    It was consensual and no issues with anyone being underage.

    If he has so much outrage over this old news, what are his comments about David "diaper baby" Vitter?  As I recall, when he returned to Washington after taking time off for his public mea culpas, he received a standing ovation from his fellow party members.

    And does he have similar outrage over the fact that Mark "I hiked the Appalachian trail to my mistress' house" Sanford has now come to Washington (divorced from his former family and remarried to his mistress)?

    Why does he not get asked these questions?

    "When and if fascism comes to America...it will not even be called 'fascism'; it will be called, of course, 'Americanism'" --Professor Halford E. Luccock of Yale Divinity School; New York Times article from September 12, 1938, page 15

    by demongo on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:48:49 AM PST

  •  Thank You Rand Paul (0+ / 0-)

    The more this idiot brings up the Monica Lewinsky thing the better in my view. It makes the Republicans look insanely ... insane.

    Just; it doesn't pass the laugh test. You're bringing up Monica freaking Lewinsky? !!?! It's preposterous.

  •  To be honest (0+ / 0-)

    I think bringing up the Lewinsky thing will actually backfire. IMO, the whole situation made the Clinton's seem more like "one of us", that even very powerful people can have painful marital problems.  While Bill Clinton may still have a lecherous reputation, Hillary does not. More people admire her for being strong through the whole thing and coming out a winner to boot.

    I love it when idiot Republicans try to pander to women. Remember Rend's ridiculous comments about how all the women he knows are super successful and therefore misogyny in the workplace doesn't exist? He has absolutely zero clue as to how to speak to women, much less what we care about.

    "Attacking" Hillary by bringing up her husband's infidelity is basically trying to paint her as a tainted victim. Sorry Rand, most women don't see Hillary as a victim at all, and bringing up her painful past is only going to rally more women to her cause.

    Money should be treated like any other controlled substance; if you can't use it responsibly then you don't get to use it.

    by La Gitane on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:54:39 AM PST

  •  As Rand Paul says (0+ / 0-)

    William Jefferson "Bill" Clinton (born William Jefferson Blythe III, August 19, 1946) is an American politician who served from 1993 to 2001 as the 42nd President of the United States. Inaugurated at age 46, he was the third-youngest president. He took office at the end of the Cold War, and was the first president from the baby boomer generation. Clinton has been described as a New Democrat. Many of his policies have been attributed to a centrist Third Way philosophy of governance. Before becoming president, he was the Governor of Arkansas for five two-year terms, serving from 1979 to 1981 and from 1983 to 1992. He was also the state's Attorney General from 1977 to 1979.

    Slow thinkers - keep right

    by Dave the Wave on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 11:12:43 AM PST

  •  Someone needs to get their eyes checked. (0+ / 0-)

    Right after they get their head examined.


    If life weren't so damn hard, we’d have no need for fabric softeners.

    by glb3 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 11:17:16 AM PST

  •  Missing the point here! (1+ / 0-)
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    This isn't really about Bill, this is about tarnishing Hillary's presidential bid with Bill's dirt through the power of magical thinking and sound bite editing.

    Water which is too pure has no fish -- Ts'ai Ken T'an

    by mik on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 11:21:09 AM PST

  •  Rand Paul (0+ / 0-)

    What relationship does the Clinton-Lewinsky affair have to "workplace violence?"

  •  Why are the Republicans running against a man (0+ / 0-)

    who is not running?

    Stupid?

    Sexist?  As in Hillary doesn't exist as real person except through Bill?

    They actually want the American public that was not sentient in the 90's to learn the real history of why Clinton actually served a full 8 years with rising approval rates?

    It's always the wife's fault when a husband is unfaithful, so stressing the unfaithful husband brands Hillary as a failed wife?  (And why, if true, does that have anything to do with her qualifications to run?)

    Oh, did I mention Sexist?

    Randie bound and gagged a female "friend", tried to force drugs on her, put her in the car and drove her into the country.
    There are very few women who have anything like that kind of experience who are not raped and brutalized and die horrible deaths.  And lots of American women die that way.

    And Randie thinks what Bill did was violent?

    Randie thinks that is the way to treat "friends", if they are female?

    Every day in every way Randie grows more repulsive and bizarre.

    Why do Republicans keep showing the world that they can't get  their minds of women's vaginas?

  •  Dandy Randy and his medium tales (1+ / 0-)
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    Seems as if his eldest is following in his fathers path.  
    Randy is a sick ticket.  He's starting his smear campaign early.  Hillary is not responsible for the misdeeds of her husband.  She put it aside so he (Rand) should shut his little yappy  mouth.   Little Mr. Aqua Buddha should start to think all the things he has said and done.  His voice is so whiny.  Nothing he says makes sense.  He still must be using his bong.  

  •  President Randy Paul. (0+ / 0-)

    Enough said.

  •  Memo to all politicians: (0+ / 0-)

    In an effort to reach as many potential voters as possible, you should keep up with the most relevant issues.  Americans are concerned about the economy, the budget and terrorists.  And most important of all, try to stick to issues IN THIS CENTURY.  In fact, try to just deal with the current and past decade.  Otherwise, people will think you are trying to hide something like how your platform is a total fraud and unAmerican.

  •  Retire Clinton already (0+ / 0-)

    And don't forget-- Clinton gave us NAFTA and workfare replacement labor, giving so many workers a (permanent) break from their jobs. He wiped out the Great Society, and was the first president to begin dismantling the New Deal, targeting Social Security disability (yes, we pay into retirement and disability).

  •  FREE ADVICE FOR RAND PAUL (0+ / 0-)

    Let me give you some free advice, you pathetic excuse of a representative of the people. Do something. Do anything but what you've been doing all your political life, which is run your mouth while you accomplish absolutely nothing for your fellow Kentucky citizens and the citizens of the rest of the nation. Also, you should consider changing political parties since Libertarianism is nothing more than the promotion of a nation wrought by anarchy. You don't deserve to hold your political office while your fellow Kentucky citizens live lives of poverty while they watch the destruction of their environment.

  •  MONICA WAS BLOWING BILL (0+ / 0-)

    while he was on the telephone with Boris Yeltsin.  Eat your heart out, Rand!

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