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In Louisiana, the Koch brother's Americans for Prosperity was blasted for running anti-Obamacare ads featuring paid actors to play Louisiana residents telling "their" stories about how Obamacare had harmed them. After being called out for that, AFP apparently decided they'd better start using real people. So, in New Harmpshire their ads are doing just that. Real people who also happen to be Republican activists.

The real people AFP found are Donna Marzullo and Helen DePrima. In one of the ads, Marzullo laments the loss of her existing plan, focusing on the unfortunate "you can keep your plan" promise made by President Obama. DePrima says she lost her secondary health insurance because of the Affordable Care Act, and that her cost for prescription drugs increased. Who are these women?

Marzullo is married to the vice chairman of the New Hampshire GOP, J.P. Marzullo, and is herself the vice chair of the Contoocook Valley Republican Committee. She was also a member of former Rep. Charlie Bass' (R-N.H.) Women's Coalition.

DePrima has participated in events for Republican activists in New Hampshire as well, and she even called for Obamacare's repeal shortly after the Supreme Court upheld it in June 2012. "By exposing it as a tax, [Supreme Court Chief Justice John] Roberts made it easier to limit or repeal. Brilliant," DePrima wrote on Facebook at the time. In August 2013, she attended a fundraiser for Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), who is perhaps the most vocal critic of the health care law in Washington.

Beyond the obvious fact that these women are not representatives of the general public and their concerns about the new law, there's the usual lack of key details and stretched truths contained in the ads, detailed by Granite State Progressive. Like the fact that DePrima is probably covered by Medicare, and that she states in the ad "some of my medications may not be covered" without actually saying that some of her medications are not covered. Or, in the case of Marzullo, that the current plan she says she lost is actually in effect until November, 2014. She says she's not sure if she can go to the doctor or hospital of her choice under Obamacare, but in reality she doesn't know that yet—she hasn't yet chosen a plan under the new law.

Once again, AFP is putting out half-baked half-truths, and attacking those who question the claims made in their ads for being callous toward the women (notice how they're always women?) who are just expressing their concerns about the law, and trying to bully them into silence. Never mind the facts, they've got truthiness.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 08:36 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  they'll spend a full billion (28+ / 0-)

    this time. imagine if they used such money to help people in need. well, other than that they wouldn't be the koch brothers anymore...

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 08:45:13 AM PST

  •  Koch fiends snorting cognitive dissonance /nt (8+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 08:45:41 AM PST

  •  Lies work. Big lies work in bigger ways. (18+ / 0-)

    Will Democrats stand up and accuse the Koch Brothers of lying?  Every Dem in that state should be on the news.  

    Until they fight as if their lives depend on it, the people's lives will continue to be worse.

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 08:51:29 AM PST

  •  Republicans, Lies? It's what they do. nt (5+ / 0-)

    Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

    by Ohiodem1 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:20:27 AM PST

  •  I don't think that the fact that these are (5+ / 0-)

    either actors, or active Republicans, is what will matter in the end.

    It seems to me that what will matter is people's experiences, or the experience of people they know.  If someone is happy with the changes brought by the ACA, or has friends/relatives who benefited -- i.e., if what they see are mainly those who benefited --  these commercials won't resonate.  On the other hand, if what someone sees in their own life, or the lives of friends/relatives is someone who is less satisfied with their health insurance situation after the ACA, it doesn't matter who is speaking in the commercial, the stories will resonate.  

    The ACA created -- or will be creating --  "winners" (people with pre-existing conditions who can now get coverage, adults under 26 who can stay on parents plans, people who are in expanded Medicaid, people getting generous subsidies) and "losers" (people who are paying more for coverage they did not necessarily need or want; people whose employer-based insurance will be going up or be taxed as a Cadillac plan; people whose networks or doctor choices were narrowed; people whose hours are going to be cut to get them under 30 hours, or even people who will be laid off in a few cases).  I think and individual's perspective on the ACA -- and the effect of the ACA on the vote this fall -- will depend larger on whether, in that person's life, he/she sees, or knows, more winners than losers.  

    •  Need to emphasize that everyone benefits (13+ / 0-)

      There is one way in which everybody benefits from the ACA.  No matter what happens to you in the future - lose your job, change your job, develop a chronic condition, have a child with a chronic condition, etc. etc. - you will never have to worry again that you or your loved ones can be shut out from health care coverage.  

      These things can happen to anyone.  Maybe you've got a job with great insurance, but jobs are rarely guaranteed for life.   You could get laid off or just piss off your boss and suddenly find yourself out in the open market.   Then some pre-existing condition crops up in your family and you are screwed.  Anyone on the individual market was always at risk of losing their coverage.  That can't happen now.  

      These are the points we need to emphasize.  Every American is a winner from the ACA because no American can ever be shut out of the medical insurance market again.  

  •  I think these ads are starting to backfire. (10+ / 0-)

    Every time one comes out, political journalists race to be the first to fact-check it and report on their results.

    If the trend continues, the Kochs will end up spending a hundred million dollars advertising that they are liars.

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:52:09 AM PST

    •  Not backfiring on their own, ... (4+ / 0-)

      ... but complex weapons painstakingly turned back on their wielders. However weak, submissive or somnolent the big outlets have gotten, let's take a moment that journalism still manages to happen here. Somehow, enough dedicated patriots made the facts so hard to ignore, the villains so obvious and already damaged, and the story so compellingly connected to our common well-being, that it's finally profitable for "real" reporters to pursue.

      Finally others can begin to understand that the big donors, the ALEC-dependent legislators, the town hall disruptors, the voter suppression schemes and thugs, the ridiculous GOP candidates, and the politically expedient opinion factories are all part of the same operation. That Fox News, the GOP, the tea party, the Koch-funded think tanks are just different nameplates on the same product.

      So thanks.

      Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

      by chimpy on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:36:12 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Maybe outside the bubble but not (3+ / 0-)
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      inside. I woke up early this morning and turned on FOX and Friends. They were doing a story on the Ill. Congress critter who is trying to stop these misleading ads. Not once did they mention what he found misleading, they only talked about the free speach rights of the woman in the ad.

      Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

      by Mike S on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 11:29:31 AM PST

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  •  You ain't seen Nothing Yet (2+ / 0-)
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    the election season is still early.

  •  But New Hampshire is a fustercluck in the ACA (5+ / 0-)

    Some of our general assumptions about  how the ACA works might not apply in New Hampshire.  It is perhaps the worst state for coverage.  You can go onto healthcare.gov and see some of it.

    The problem is that the exchange has precisely one insurance carrier.  You have your choice of Blue Cross-Blue Shield of New Hampshire (Anthem, I think), period.  The state is trying to talk two Massachusetts HMOs into expanding northward, and that might be in place by next year, but it isn't the case now.

    Compounding things, BCBSNH decided to cut its costs by negotiating with only some of the state's hospitals.  Even some community hospitals who wanted to make a deal were turned down.  Since much of the state is rural, you can be pretty far from a covered hospital, close to an hour's drive up north.  The missing hospitals will have to survive on Medicare/Medicaid, group insurance, and (in the case of some Connecticut Valley hospitals) Vermont ACA plans, which do cover nearby NH hospitals.

    This needs to be fixed, though of course if it needs Congress to do anything, fuggedaboutit.

    •  It looks like NH legislators did everything ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... to make things as painful as possible to their constituents.  Of course, they are blaming ACA for everything.

      Water which is too pure has no fish -- Ts'ai Ken T'an

      by mik on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:42:13 PM PST

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    •  Having only Blue Cross (0+ / 0-)

      doesn't necessarily create a problem -- here in RI we do have another ACA choice, but it's neighborhood clinics. Out of something like 15,000 people who have bought ACA coverage, I think all but 500 or so chose Blue Cross. But here Blue Cross has contracts with just about every provider in the state, so the network isn't an issue.

      The definition of the network is the problem, and as I understand it, that's under the control of the state Insurance Commissioner. People (and the North Country doctors and hospitals) need to be screaming about that, to the Insurance Commissioner. It does not require Congress to do anything. The law requires "reasonable" networks. It's up to the states to regulate what the companies are allowed to offer in that state.

      I don't practice law up there any more, but there used to be a good consumer & civil law clinic at the UNH Law School. Maybe a group of smart eager-beaver students and their professors can take this on and push for expanding the network.

  •  This is also happening in Michigan. (7+ / 0-)

    The AFP/Koch brothers have broadcast an ad featuring Julie Boonstra, of Dexter, Michigan, who has some dubious complaints about the ACA.  Rep. Walberg (R-MI-7) brought her to the State of the Union speech as his guest.

    Julie Boonstra is no "Mrs. Smith Goes to Washington."  She is related to Mark Boonstra, long-time Republican activist and formerly Chair of the Washtenaw County (seat of U of M/Ann Arbor) Republican Party.  Sounds like another Repug political contrivance to me.

    •  Has it been confirmed (1+ / 0-)
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      that she's related to Mark Boonstra? I've not seen that definitively confirmed yet.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:47:21 AM PST

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  •  Need an ad campaign (2+ / 0-)
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    with unattributed quotes?

    The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of the nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies but would be ashamed to tell a big one
    The greatness of every mighty organization embodying an idea in this world lies in the religious fanaticism and intolerance with which, fanatically convinced of its own right, it intolerantly imposes its will against all others
    Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it

    ''The guarding of military and diplomatic secrets at the expense of informed representative government provides no real security for our Republic.'' - Justice Hugo L. Black of the Supreme Court

    by geekydee on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 11:01:38 AM PST

  •  Here's another Kochroach liar; too bad we are (0+ / 0-)

    paying them to oppress us.

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 11:21:34 AM PST

  •  In Louisiana the Koch Bros have been running (3+ / 0-)
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    ads for months attacking Sen Landrieu because she supports Obamacare. They state; "We can do better". What would THAT be?

    "Onward through the fog!" - Oat Willie

    by rocksout on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 11:27:27 AM PST

  •  Soon the koch's themselves (1+ / 0-)
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    will be puking up nonsense about how Obamacare has hurt them by cancelling their health coverage.  When do their end of life cycles begin?  Sometimes, enough is enough of these two bozoheads

  •  Marzullo (0+ / 0-)

    has probably never been without health care in her entire life

     Her opinion on Obamacare is seriously overrated.

  •  Politics is about money (1+ / 3-)

    Republicans have the Koch Bros.   Democrats have the Soros entity.  It's tit for tat.  Politics is all about money and money donors and that's what it has become.

    To me, it seems that term limits and public financing of elections should be the rule.  

    I wonder what the people here on DKos think about this suggestion.

    •  Agree (3+ / 0-)
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      terrybuck, Black Mare, cville townie

      on one of your suggestions - Public Financing - and there are already Term limits - they are called ELECTIONS.  If we got public financing maybe some candidates that won't run now because of money would run.  I would hate to lose a good congress person (if there is such an animal) due to term limits, but with public financing, our members of congress wouldn't have to spend 4-5 HOURS A DAY on the phone asking for money.  

      Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

      by Caniac41 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 11:57:09 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Seen that argument before (0+ / 0-)

        Term limits would bring about people that are more about doing what's right rather than being about getting reelected.

        When you don't have to consider being a "career politician", then you do thing differently.  I know that has arguments, but I haven't seen any that I agree with.

        Being reelected is not really "term limits".  Nice try.

        •  Term limits leave a bunch of rookies who wind up.. (2+ / 0-)
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          CardCarryingLibrul, terrybuck

          relying on lobbyists to tell them what they need to know.  There is no institutional memory and you get the same dysfunction from coast to coast wrought by Teabaggers totally ruining self-government.  Do you want your doctor to be inexperienced and raw or confident and experienced.

          •  Poor argument (0+ / 0-)

            Comparing a doctor to a politician is so absurd.  What a joke.

            C'mon, You can do better than that.  That's like comparing a plumber to a rocket scientist.  

            "Experience" in politics is NOT a positive.  It's a negative, my friend.   That's what people against term limits are saying.  The more you learn how to "work the system" as you go along in politics, the worse the politician you are.

            I doubt you would understand that.  So, I'll leave it here and I'm sure you'll have something really wonderful to say in response.

            •  Oh how about this argument (0+ / 0-)

              in NC - they are going to give new teachers with less than 5 years experience pay raises but are going to encourage teachers with more than 20 years experience to retire by NOT giving them raises - leaving the teaching corps with no experienced teachers..

              That is what will happen with term limits.. I agree with MichiganMitch - that leaving our Congress with rookies vulnerable to experienced lobbyists would not make us better off.

              Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

              by Caniac41 on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 10:24:23 AM PST

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    •  Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. (0+ / 0-)

      Frank Zappa

      "Onward through the fog!" - Oat Willie

      by rocksout on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 12:22:45 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  What is the lie Soros is telling? (2+ / 0-)
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      Just because Soros is reich does not make his ads lies.  Kochs are telling lies.  Not the same thin
      g at all.

    •  I wish (1+ / 0-)
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      cville townie

      we had Soros.  He is very wealthy, yes, but not Koch wealthy and nowhere near the contributor most RWNJs are.

      •  We have Soros (0+ / 0-)

        George Soros is an advocate of the progressive movement and contributes in many way to it.  I am thankful for that.  If you want to see how that is happening, I'm just going to ask you to go to Google or some other search engine to see how that is happening.  

        Thanks.

  •  Literally just heard one on VPR (0+ / 0-)

    Michelle something, talking about the Detroit bailout and all of a sudden she lets off this whopper about some lady in Detroit that had to move in with her daughter because Obamacare raised her health care costs so much. Bear in mind that this point has 0 to do with the Bailout. And also note that the hostess of the show never said a word about this anomalous point.

    A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

    by onionjim on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 11:35:17 AM PST

  •  All this reminds me of Ronald Reagan being (3+ / 0-)
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    trotted out in the 60's to call Medicare a Communist plot.

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 11:36:37 AM PST

  •  insurnce companies (0+ / 0-)

    can change formularies (drugs listed and tiered as to coverage), there is never a guarantee that you can always get the same medicine under the same coverage when you renew the policy year to year.

  •  So ... when is the debate scheduled? (0+ / 0-)

    The one between these women and Bill Nye?

  •  Eh (0+ / 0-)

    paid propaganda campaign using people assuming false identities and portraying false information to the masses.

    From what Ive learned recently around here,  we should not care because people are smart enough to know plants when they see them.  

    If you stand for nothing you will fall for anything.

    by LieparDestin on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 12:17:36 PM PST

  •  Well duh! Who besides an ideologue (1+ / 0-)
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    is gonna bitch about getting a better deal for less money?  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 12:40:07 PM PST

  •  Today I saw the bumpersticker (1+ / 0-)
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    "I vote Republican because
    we can't ALL be on welfare".
    Desperately wanted to find this vehicle in a parking lot so I could attach a note:
    "I vote Democratic because
    your granny needs Medicare too."

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 12:56:53 PM PST

  •  Some time ago, (0+ / 0-)

    the Kochs and their fellow-travelers among the One Percent came to the realization that they're pitching to mostly uninformed dullards and, under those circumstances, any effort to maintain integrity in their messaging is purely wasted effort.

    Full-bore lying is analogous to a shotgun blast... some of the pellets are bound to miss, but most will hit the intended target.

    If you're gonna deceive, go BIG. I'm reminded of the story of two thieves who stole a canoe from a sporting goods store... simply hoisted it over their heads and walked out. The security guard held the door open for them.

  •  For years, since the ACA was (0+ / 0-)

    first proposed and looked like it had a chance, I have wondered why ANYONE who was not brain dead would think opening health care to millions of Americans is not a good idea.
    How do these asshats look in the mirror without it punching them in the face?  
    And the saddest thing is they have no alternative for those who are suffering.
    Inhumane?  Nah, just non human pieces of dreck.

    "Takes more than guns to kill a man" Joe Hill

    by sajiocity on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 02:03:58 PM PST

  •  Repeat ad nauseum: Medicare is not affected by ACA (0+ / 0-)

    If DePrimo is (as I immediately suspected from the words "secondary insurance") covered by Medicare, then having her in these ads at all is a flat-out lie. The ONLY thing the ACA has done for Medicare recipients is narrow the drug doughnut hole, and tweak (increase) the list of preventative services that now have no copay. If her secondary insurance was cancelled, that could not have had anything to do with the ACA. Same for changes to the drug formulary (if any) under her Medicare Part D.

    Someone in NH needs to find out how old Mrs. DePrimo is and if she is 65+, call her out on this.

    We also need to repeat over and over and over again: If you are on Medicare, the whole exchange thing does not apply to you. Period. Full stop.

  •  The very basic bottom line is simple. (0+ / 0-)

    Obamacare, or whatever you wish to call it is actually a reform and regulatory system put in place by law  for your insurance carrier.  

    There is no government "take-over," or bureaucrats telling anyone to "take away," coverage, rather it's powers make your insurance carrier obligated by law to conform to a basic coverage and protection (original name:  The Patient Protection and Affordable Health Care Act) so your insurance company can't screw you over any more.

    There will be some who will pay more, but the majority of Americans buying individual plans will come out way ahead.

    The reform for Medicare and that $700 billion "cut" actually is $700 billion in "savings," and strengthens Medicare.This money is poured right back into Medicare giving it a dozen more years of solvency.  It does not affect medical coverage one iota.

    The whole Medicaid debacle by Republican Governors and Republican state houses, is deplorable.  To think these plutocrats don't even blink an eye over denying coverage to poor families is beyond my comprehension.  Hopefully, these red states will see the light and feel the pressure and rescind their misguided decisions.

  •  The no goodnics-kochs (0+ / 0-)

    The bros koch don't have their fingers in the insurance cookie jars. It keeps the low IQs occupied while they, kochs,  pillage our national resources on the cheap and leave toxic waste and pollution in their wake for you and I to pay to clean up.

  •  PAVLOV'S DOG (0+ / 0-)

    That's what these conservative extremists are; nothing more and nothing less. The big money, jackbooted conservative PACs call the shots and the puppets start barking.

  •  Obamacare (1+ / 0-)
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    According to a spot w/ James Carville on NPR w/in the last month or two, the under reported story is that the rate of rising health care costs has come down since Obamacare.

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