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The Koch brothers' Americans for Prosperity should be renamed Americans for Full Employment of Fact Checkers. Yep, another ad, another debunking. This one isn't against a Democrat, but for Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI). It includes footage from a town meeting in which an elderly man says "This Affordable Care Act, I am going to have bureaucrats telling me what kind of services I am going to qualify for. To be honest with you, I’m scared to death."

Ah, death panels, because that's the scariest thing they can keep peddling to seniors. But the full story isn't about death panels, but those pesky Medicare cuts, because clearly, this man is on Medicare. The Washington Post's Glenn Kessler is back on the beat. He's got the full footage of the town meeting from C-SPAN.

First of all, it’s clear that AFP put two unrelated parts of the conversation together. The first part, about bureaucrats, is related to the Affordable Care Act. The second part is about Medicare. [...]

Here’s his full quote:  "I've got Medicare right now but they took $700 billion out of it to put into the Affordable Care Act and what is that going to do to my coverages? To be honest with you, I am scared to death."

And so Kessler has to go into the whole $700 billion in Medicare cuts again. At least he's got the answer to that one easily at hand, since that one has been debunked about a bajillion times since 2010. To recap: It's not Medicare benefits cuts, it's cuts to payments to private insurers for Medicare Advantage plans, which only about 28 percent of Medicare beneficiaries have. And Obamacare has actually "raised Medicare payroll taxes by $318 billion over the 10-year time frame, further strengthening the program’s financial condition." And Rep. Paul Ryan's budgets since 2011 have all contained the same cuts, and virtually every Republican in the House has voted for them.

Kessler, being the "objective" type he figures he's supposed to be, says "AFP should be wary of using a clip to score political points when the speaker was making an assertion based on misinformation." Yeah, right. Because AFP is concerned about accuracy in their ads. At least Kessler can be certain of his job security.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:31 AM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (14+ / 0-)

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

    by Joan McCarter on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:31:37 AM PST

  •  AFP = Americans For Prevarication (6+ / 0-)
    The Koch brothers' Americans for Prosperity should be renamed Americans for Full Employment of Fact Checkers.

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:43:21 AM PST

  •  Have him come to IL, where Jim Oberweis is (0+ / 0-)

    lying about Dick Durbin. He's been running ads constantly saying that Durbin "used the IRS to target political opponents" (completely false).

    On the other hand, this is Jim Oberweis, who has tanked every political effort he's made by being an extremist righty asshat.

  •  A Rare Day When Kessler Dings The GOP (0+ / 0-)

    But don't worry he's never rated Obama as truthful on any topic, so the universe is still in balance.

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 02:40:39 PM PST

  •  Starting to wonder how much Kochs are (4+ / 0-)
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    ColoTim, Pluto, gregsullmich, Back In Blue

    contributing to npr.  NPR had two hogwash horror stories about ACA today.

    #1 BC/BS in Texas putting doctors who call on hold.  

    Note to npr: Insurance companies always put folks on hold. Nothing new there. Single payer only solution to that problem.

    #2 Landrieu and Obamacare: Quoting guy in LA who just doesn't like blacks and therefore hates Obamacare.

    Note to npr: Who's paying to have this claptrap aired???

    •  This is a very important point. (2+ / 0-)
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      Back In Blue, akmk

      NPR is a very different entity from what many of our nice liberal friends think.  The Koch brothers are major contributors.

      Have you noticed how often NPR quotes the Mercatus Center at George Mason University?  Check out/Google this connection to gain insight on why NPR does this.

      Our nice liberal friends need to "connect the dots" on this.

      •  NPR is dead. I won't conribute anymore. (1+ / 0-)
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        All the good content (TV at least) is available elsewhere.  You'll know it's been fully Koched when Sesame Street stops speaking spanish.

        America, where a rising tide lifts all boats! Unless you don't have a boat...uh...then it lifts all who can swim! Er, if you can't swim? SHAME ON YOU!

        by Back In Blue on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 04:19:19 PM PST

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  •  We already have Death Panels (3+ / 0-)
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    And they are called Insurance Companies.

    They already tell us what tests doctors can perform, what drugs they should prescribe, and how many visits a patient can make.

    You are surely free to go beyond what the Death Panels pay for, but it will be out of your own pocket.  I am sure most elderly can afford it.

    My dad is being denied the drug his Dr. wants to give him because the Death Panel does not have it on their list of drugs they will pay for.  

    Death Panels, indeed.

    Where the fuck do these people get their information, anyway?

  •  $770B: when GOPers are mad at cost savings... (1+ / 0-)
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    …even though they included them in their own proposed budget...

  •  It really is incredible to hear elected (1+ / 0-)
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    lawmakers, people you'd expect to bring to their constituents factual information, outright lie.  I've heard the blatant lies and distortions of the truth from my then Congressman, Ed Royce.  

    I have been very interested in the success of "Obamacare," as a retired health professional in a hospital setting.  I have seen the need for reform and overhall since I came on the scene in 1975.

    During townhalls with Congressman Royce in 2009 and 2010, he allowed misinformation to go unchecked by uninformed people in his audience.  In fact, I'd venture to say, he even seemed to relish the falsehoods, watching it bathe his audience with a blanket of confusion  and distortion, knowing they would come away without the truth, and thereby passing along those lies to their friends and family.

    How these guys can be so comfortable with wanting to sabotage a very real improvement to our health insurance system is unconscionable.  Instead of contributing real help and viable solutions they enjoy standing back watching all the chaos they can muster.

  •  Justin Amash claims that we're going to have to (1+ / 0-)
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    move to a situation where people will make their own choices about their health care.  Well, that's what Obamacare gives people, at least in most locations.  They get to choose which health plan they want, the levels, the costs, the network of providers, but they aren't constrained by having to then go get approved by the bureaucrats who would deny them if there's any pre-existing condition, if there's any family history that might lead to medical expenses or if they actually wanted a doctor that is not in their network.

    Yes, another GOP'er lying to his constituents about what they should be learning about directly rather than listening to the BS he's shoveling.

  •  Where are our ads?? n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Everything that we see is a shadow cast by that which we do not see. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by destiny1 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 03:06:57 PM PST

  •  I live in Grand Rapids (0+ / 0-)

    have only seen this ad once. Typical fact free fear based appeal to paranoid wingnuts.  Wish I thought we could lose this dud Amash but the only time we had a Democrat Congressman was after our Congressman Jerry Ford became VP. Later due to protests over the Nixon pardon we did manage to get a Democrat in for one term only.

    Never promote men who seek after a state-established religion; it is spiritual tyranny--the worst of despotism. It is turnpiking the way to heaven by human law, in order to establish ministerial gates to collect toll. John Leland

    by J Edward on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 04:56:46 PM PST

  •  Another view: (0+ / 0-)

    All comments lifted verbatim from conservative web sites.

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