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Are debates demoralizing, largely because of provocative distractions?

If so, it should cheer you up, and help you to resist provocations, to remember that:

some of these provocations are probably engineered intentionally by your enemies.
In other words, it is probable that:
1.    Your views are correct on the morality and tactics of your enemies.

2.    Your enemies fear the consequences of smooth communication between you and your actual and potential allies.

3.    That fear is justified, partly because the weaknesses of your actual and potential allies are not absurd enough to cause so much provocation and distraction without being goaded by your enemies.

Luckily, the lack of certainty about these probabilities does not need to introduce any additional indecision into your answering of the following questions:
•    whether you should debate, and
•    how you should debate.

It is cheering to consider the question:

How much more indecision and demoralization would result from the opposite situation?

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  •  I'm trying to understand both the meaning (3+ / 0-)

    and the timing of this post. I think I'm just too bloody tired to engage my brain.

    Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

    by Smoh on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 08:35:04 PM PST

  •  Lemme finish this six pack (0+ / 0-)

    and I'll come back and check if this makes any more sense.

    We want to build cyber magicians!

    by VelvetElvis on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 09:14:30 PM PST

    •  It's totally clear: "Wouldn't you prefer that (0+ / 0-)

      the idiots spreading misinformation and shitting provocation are actually paid enemies instead of dumbfuck allies?"

      Of course, the only real response is that this paranoia is crazy. Even though, if the NSA is spying on us, that's actually GOOD! Of course, I'm a secret NSA agent, and I'm the first person who thought it was clever to say that, mwahahaha!

      Seriously, so fucking stupid.

      "Gussie, a glutton for punishment, stared at himself in the mirror."

      by GussieFN on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:03:42 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Uh, no. I really, really wouldn't. (0+ / 0-)

        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 03:34:41 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  My hovercraft is full of eels. n/t (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    skohayes

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 03:48:56 AM PST

  •  I think you imagine "enemies" (0+ / 0-)

    when it's actually people who just disagree with your tactics.
    Some people would like to say anything they want without pushback, so they label people who disagree with them as "agents" and "provocateurs" and "trolls".

    Your beliefs don't make you a better person. Your behavior does.

    by skohayes on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:06:39 AM PST

    •  U R correct on 1 thing, but 2 things can be true (0+ / 0-)

      1. Of course you are correct that some

      people ... just disagree with your tactics.

      Some people would like to say anything they want without pushback, so they label people who disagree with them as "agents" and "provocateurs" and "trolls".

      2. But how does this true point rebut the logic of the following?

      What basis is there for believing, in the face of recent evidence summarized here by Digby,  that intelligence community culture was so fundamentally transformed by the root and branch reforms [sic] after the 1976 Church Committee report that,

      Although, pre-Church,

      it shouldered the great expense, inefficiency and risks of placing of agents physically in meetings of platform-less dissident groups, where the agents’ performance was difficult to monitor,
      Now, after 9-11,

      the intelligence community’s culture is so deferential, to the penumbra-cum-Constitutional right of citizens to engage in provocation-free activism, that it does the following?

      Voluntarily forbears the opportunity to use the surplus bandwidth of its enormous workforce, at no additional expense, to engage in risk-free, efficient and fully-monitorable provocation and other trolling

      of online communities, that are seeking to leverage the lowered communication costs of Internet platforms, to enable sharing, refining and publicizing dissident information, ideas and activities.

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