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Arizona Governor Jan Brewer speaks after signing an expansion of the state's Medicaid program into law, at the Arizona State Capitol in Phoenix June 17, 2013. Brewer signed a law on Monday to expand Medicaid, embracing a key part of Democratic President B
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer
Sources close to Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer keep saying she's going to veto the bill that would allow businesses to discriminate against gay customers or basically anyone else they claimed to object to for religious reasons. But Brewer's office is denying that she's made any decision at all:
"Governor Brewer hasn’t yet made a decision," a Brewer spokesperson said in an email to Business Insider Tuesday. "The Senate transmitted its bill to our office yesterday while the Governor was in DC. When she returns, she will take the time necessary to thoroughly review and evaluate the legislation before taking action."
But don't worry, she'll do the right thing:
I assure you, as always, I will do the right thing for the State of Arizona. #SB1062
@GovBrewer
Even if she ultimately vetoes it, Brewer is intentionally taking time to play footsie with the hardcore bigots, showing that she takes their wishes very, very seriously. This is a two-page bill that's been pretty thoroughly and publicly reviewed and discussed, and Brewer has a staff for evaluating legislation. This is not one person poring over hundreds of pages of dense legal text by candlelight, needing extra time to know what she's getting herself and her state into. This is Brewer dragging it out so that the people who are pissed about whatever she does on the bill know that she Listened To Them And Heard Their Concerns. And what that boils down to is that Jan Brewer could not look at a bill that would give businesses the right to deny service to people because they're gay or Muslim and just say "I'm vetoing this." That in itself is not "doing the right thing for the State of Arizona."

Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed similar legislation last year. We can make her do it again—but if you're a resident of Arizona, she needs to hear from you. Please sign and send a message directly to Jan Brewer’s office.

Originally posted to Laura Clawson on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 06:44 AM PST.

Also republished by Baja Arizona Kossacks and Daily Kos.

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  •  Yes, such a hard decision requires time (14+ / 0-)

    doesn't it?

    I predict she takes the weinie way out and neither signs nor vetoes and lets it pass into law without a decision from her. After all, who is she to deny the sociopathic voice of the peoples representatives? Who is she to attempt to push back a New Age of Intolerance?

    “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

    by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 06:55:45 AM PST

  •  She has to decide if hate can or should (14+ / 0-)

    be sanctioned by elected officials whose job it is to represent all the people of a state, not just the ones some head-up-the-ass fundamentalist who runs a restaurant or retail store thinks should be served.  

    I don't have a lot of faith in Jan Brewer or in the people calling her office at this hour urging her to sign the bill.  But if she wants to, if she digs down deep enough, she can do right by everyone.  

    But if she signs the bill, she deserves all the shame it will bring her.  

    •  she wants the attention (8+ / 0-)

      she loves it, but in this case it may be useful.  The threatened boycotts have begun, all those airlines are great, given that it's also on Georgia's agenda, and Atlanta is a real hub and we want issues to change Georgia blue,

      It's just her limelight jones, but it is getting the issue useful attention too. She's veto it, of course, but first those three senators who wanted to change their votes will have to visit her and beg and she'll feel on top of the world.  

      •  The attention might be very useful in preventing (3+ / 0-)
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        anna shane, Jay C, Remediator

        similar stupidity in the future.  It certainly saves her from having to be a scold or having to belittle anybody's religious beliefs.

        "Look guys, this kind of thing hurts the state and my job is to look out for the state."

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:03:57 AM PST

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        •  Another argument against SB1062 (2+ / 0-)
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          dinotrac, Remediator

          Whatever Gov. Brewer's inbuilt "principles" might be - and as a professional (Republican) politician, it's unlike she still has any - it might be a good idea (and the "best interest" of the State of Arizona) to veto SB 1062, and send it back to the Lege for "tweaking" - i.e. burial. It is probably NOT in Arizona's interest to become the test case for these sort of overbroad "religious freedom" pro-discrimination laws: it is a certainly that someone will have a legal challenge to it filed before the ink on Gov. Brewer's ( possible) is dry: I would think that she would want to have some other state's name/face on a challenging suit to a law that is likely to get knocked down in short order.

          There are several other states vying to get pro-discrimination-in-the-name-of-religion crap on their books: if Jan Brewer is concerned about how Arizona looks, she should veto and let someone else take the heat....

    •  If she digs down deep, is there anything (2+ / 0-)
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      Jank2112, Remediator

      there to show her how to do the right thing?  I'm not sure these rightwing haters have anything there, personally.

      The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

      by AnnieR on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:58:57 AM PST

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  •  I do not say this lightly. (41+ / 0-)

    As the mother of a gay son and as a human being, this is a vile abomination of a law. But part of me ( a teeny tiny part) wants her not to veto it and suffer the shitstorm that will come down on her.

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

    by Vita Brevis on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:04:17 AM PST

    •  This will be controversial, but I think Brewer (6+ / 0-)

      should refuse to sign it, meaning it will become law without her signature. She should tell the legislature to stop sending her this kind of crap - you guys made this mess, YOU fix it. Three GOP Senators, including former Senate President Steve Pierce voted for it and now claim they didn't realize it discriminated against the LGBT community and have called for Brewer to veto it. Bullshit, Democratic Senators testified strongly against it, pointing out that is exactly what it would do. Idiot Republican state legislators passed this turd of a law, THEY should be forced to now pass a new law voiding the piece of shit they passed.

      My reasoning: that is the right thing to do, they passed the law & made the mess, they should fix it. But yes, also political - this mess has likely already ensured the reelection of Congresswoman Ann Kirkpatrick in AZ01, her opponent is the current GOP Senate President who voted for this turd. Making them repeal their own law will help more Democrats statewide.

      David Koch, a teacher and a Tea Partier sit down a table with a plate of a dozen cookies. Koch quickly stuffs 11 cookies in his pockets, leans to the bagger and says "watch out, the union thug will try to steal your cookie".

      by Dave in AZ on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:48:21 AM PST

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    •  I agree! (2+ / 0-)
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      AJayne, Matt Z

      But the thing is, it wouldn't just affect the Wicked Witch of the West....it would inflame the cracks in the entire GOP.

      Look at some of these southern states (GA which already has another bill proposed). Do you think THEY'RE going to stand by and let those elitists in Arizona out-bigot them?

      No way!! You'd have a gold rush of Congressmen rushing to legislate discrimination.

      All of these bills would get shot down by the SCOTUS (probably wouldn't make it that far) but not before the 2014 elections, and that would shine an ever brighter light on the wingnut brigade.

      And then of course, there's the problem prospective 2016 candidates would have at that point: To endorse, or not to endorse???

      It really shouldn't go any farther, but if Governor Cruella does sign it, we should be ready to capitalize.

      Message to Dems: We HAVE to start showing up for Midterms.

      by Jank2112 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:14:32 AM PST

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  •  Since these bills are popping up in numerous (9+ / 0-)

    places, I have to wonder:

    When did the ALEC junket to Uganda take place?

    “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

    by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:05:15 AM PST

    •  ALEC is not behind this one (10+ / 0-)

      Religious fundamentalists are. Tony Perkins' Family Research Council, NOM, Focus on the Family, etc.

      They have formed a new group that unites them. I can't remember the name right now. They are pushing these laws in many states.

      •  But Arizona is an ALEC rigged state (9+ / 0-)

          It's a direct consequence of all that ALEC meddling that the Arizona legislature is a rubber stamp joke.

        Arizona has one of the highest concentrations of ALEC legislators of any state in the United States- at least 50 of the 90 legislators now serving are ALEC members.
            Two-thirds of the Republican leadership in the Arizona House and Senate are on ALEC “task forces” that write“model” legislation for state legislators around the nation.

            ALEC INSPIRED LEGISLATION IN ARIZONA

            Anti-Immigration

            No Sanctuary For Undocumented Workers

            Immigration Law on Trespassing

            14thAmendment and Citizenship Status for Undocumented Workers

            E-Verify Program

            Government Publications in English Only

            Privatization of Prisons

            Prison Statutes

            Private Correctional Facilities Act

            Privatizing Prison Facilities

            Voter Suppression

            Voter ID Act

            Early Voting ID Act

            Resolution Opposing Taxpayer Financed Political Campaigns

            Anti-Worker Rights

            Council on
            Efficient Government Act

            Prohibition on Employee Compensation Deductions

            Privatization of Public Education

            The Parental Educational Choice for Grants

            The Special Needs Scholarship Program

            Virtual Public Schools Act

            Healthcare Reform

            Health Care Choice Act for States

            Health Care Sharing Ministries Freedom to Share Act

            Anti-Environmental Protection and Energy

            State Sovereignty On Environmental Regulations

        If cats could blog, they wouldn't

        by crystal eyes on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:55:02 AM PST

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        •  Yes, thank you, that is exactly right (3+ / 0-)
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          crystal eyes, tb mare, Jay C

          Every one of these issues are places where Arizona's poor and minority and native populations are used mercilessly to carry out these "experiments" and channel taxpayer money into the pockets of big business. The private prisons are a HUGE problem, and not just for Arizona's unfortunates. They house "supermax" prisoners in private prisons here on contract from all over the country. A human warehouse system, guaranteed "occupancy rates" and it is all just sickening.

          It's not just in Arizona that this is happening, nor is it Arizona natives who are doing this to us ... it is transplants, retirees, and outside meddling have made a huge fucking mess here. Yes of course we have rednecks and bigots and religious fanatics who are from here too, what state doesn't have a share of those? Lots of them move here, unfortunately. Arizona has become vulnerable to this influence and it mostly outsiders and transplants who elect these fools.

          It is interesting to me as an Arizona born and bread lover of this amazing land, to watch which issues the rest of the country cares about. Private prisons? Nope. Nary a peep. Mostly it all goes unnoticed. So far two laws have been notorious enough to attract notice -- SB1070 and this one. And in both cases, instead of anyone caring about the people being trampled here and wanting to help, it is calls for us all to suffer even more. I am very tired of all this. I love this place, I was born here and have lived most of my life here, and it's just heartbreaking to see so much broad-brush hatred directed at us.

      •  lookup Cathi Herrod, lobbyist (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        AJayne, CS in AZ

        and the president of Center for Arizona Policy.

        •  Cathi Herrod is just the local face for... (3+ / 0-)
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          manyamile, CS in AZ, Jay C

          (from a report on AmericaBlog.com)

          As reported by Al Jazeera America:

          Cornerstone in Idaho, the Kansas Family Policy Council, and the Center for Arizona Policy, which supports the bill there, are all part of a network of 38 state “family policy councils” pressing for these laws under the umbrella of Citizen Link, the advocacy arm of the conservative Christian powerhouse Focus on the Family.

          Focus on the Family is James Dobson’s hate-mill, by the way, now headed by Jim Daly. Another backer is the American Religious Freedom Program, headed by Brian Walsh — who disingenuously claims these efforts are nothing more than trying to ensure that priests and florists don’t have to participate in Big Gay Weddings. And the ARFP sounds familiar, that’s because it’s part of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a conservative think-tank and lobbying organization run by Ed Whelan, former Reagan official in the DoJ and also former clerk for Justice Scalia.
          "Citizen Link" - that's the name I couldn't remember when I posted my first comment.
  •  Something's wrong with her moral compass (19+ / 0-)

    Otherwise it should have taken her less than one minute to decide that this bill was horrible and then to veto it.

    Sometimes it's not clear what the right thing is.  This isn't one of those times!

    These are the "United" States of America not the dividing states.  "United We Stand" should be more than a motto.

    "Trust only those who doubt" Lu Xun

    by LookingUp on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:06:35 AM PST

    •  The flip side is... (4+ / 0-)

      If she is indeed a 'conscience guided Christian', then she would sign it with impunity.  What is there to 'weigh'?

      “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck (Disputed)

      by RichM on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:31:11 AM PST

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    •  She doesn't have a moral compass (6+ / 0-)

      She's another political opportunist trying to calculate what gives her the most leverage.

      This does seem odd to me, though. The longer she takes and the more people, both right and left, who pressure her to veto, the more difficult it is going to be to veto the bill. If she does veto it, the right wing hate squad is going to accuse her of caving to public pressure. If she does not veto it, she'll be the hero of a small minority of religious bigots who aren't going to get her squat for political leverage going forward.

      I don't understand her political calculus here, especially since she's already vetoed a similar bill before. Maybe it's just that she really really likes the attention. Maybe she thinks that she's going to get shit from one or both sides no matter what she does and she might as well be on center stage for as long as she can.

      Oh, and this woman is an idiot.

      •  Think of the emotional high she's on. (3+ / 0-)
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        Mr Bojangles, mconvente, AJayne

        Every cable station, every local and national news program, every national correspondent - all waiting with baited breath, on HER!

        She had that attention before, and probably felt like Sarah Palin, after the glow wore off. She wants another 15 minutes of infamy, and by gosh, she's going to get it.

        Frankly, I think she will milk this as long as she can, then veto it. Or not. I honestly believe that she hasn't the capacity to fully understand the damage that such a law can cause to the state. But, this is status quo for AZ. Didn't they outlaw celebrating MLK Day?

        What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

        by agnostic on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:49:43 AM PST

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        •  Yes. Oh yes. She didn't get ENOUGH attention (0+ / 0-)

          when she shook her finger in my president's face.

          Cow.

          Let me explain the order of things to you. There's the aristocracy, the upper class, the middle class, working class, dumb animals, waiters, creeping things, head lice, people who eat packet soup, then you. -- Gareth Blackstock, Chef!

          by avamontez on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 09:15:08 AM PST

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    •  You have to recognize that her moral compass (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      LookingUp

      and yours point to different norths.

      This is not a moral issue with her.  If it were she would have already signed it.

      This is a political and pragmatic issue with Jan Brewer.  She may allow it to go into effect without signing it, but if she does, she should be branded with it just as if she had signed it, because she knows damn well it's the same thing.

      Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

      by ZedMont on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:03:41 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Something's wrong with AZ's moral compass (0+ / 0-)

      AZ is full of old, retired Rush Limbaugh listeners from the rust belt. It's no wonder ALEC runs the state.

  •  "Make sure you spell the name right" (9+ / 0-)

    Jan Brewer wants the country to focus on her for as long as possible - even negative focus still keeps her in the spotlight.

  •  AZ ripening for Rand Paul/or not.. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Remediator

    honor the treaties. honor the honorable.

    by renzo capetti on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:17:42 AM PST

  •  Jan Brewer announced her resignation (23+ / 0-)
    I will do the right thing for the State of Arizona
    It's almost too easy.

    There's no such thing as a Free Information Kit. There is, however, advertising.

    by lotac on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:20:33 AM PST

  •  Even the Republicans who are against it... (20+ / 0-)

    ...can't dig up any semblance of human decency as their reason.  For them, it's about loss of commerce.
    This is a microcosm for the entire "Conservative Republican" experience in the modern era.  It's simply the weighting of a choice between hatred and money.  

  •  She's on the (8+ / 0-)

    Central Ring, you think she is going to let her time in the spotlight go  away soon?

    She's is going to milk this as much as she came to come the rescue in the last second.

  •  Probably waiting till Friday news dump (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Raynfala, mconvente, Jay C

    to do whatever... That way if she vetoes it she hopes to outrage racists less as they may miss it and I she signs it she hopes to outrage everyone else less as they may miss it.

    Why else does so much shady things get released on Friday and dumped all at once?

  •  Maybe... (9+ / 0-)

    Obama needs to fly to AZ and put a finger in Brewer's face.

    “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck (Disputed)

    by RichM on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:29:36 AM PST

  •  Come on Jan, do the right thing, veto that f&%ker. (0+ / 0-)

    nt

  •  As long as the spotlight is on her (2+ / 0-)
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    Hohenzollern, mconvente

    she'll keep dragging her feet.

    "Onward through the fog!" - Oat Willie

    by rocksout on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:34:55 AM PST

  •  Since the bill passed (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, Jay C

    I have been expecting Brewer to sign it - not veto it.  I don't think she's ever done the right thing for Arizona, only what is right by the radical far right and their deep pockets and their psychotic world view.

    •  She did the Right Thing on the Medicare expansion (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      ZedMont, AJayne, Jay C

      In fact I actually admired the hell out of her on that one, I am amazed to say. I kept looking for what I was missing because it was so weird that she was going to do it ... and let's be clear -- she did the right thing, but not for the right reasons, it was about the money and hospitals and healthcare industry money flowing through the state -- but nonetheless, she stood strong against the tea-party "conservatives" and strong-armed the legislature into taking the expansion money.

      She played hardball with them, without a moment's hesitation, forced them to cave and we got the money -- and thousands of people across this state now have access to health care, thanks to her willingness to do that. And her ability to win the showdown. So yes she has at least that once done the right thing in the end. Actually she also stood up for a tax increase that was passed by voters to fund education. She has proven on occasion to be able to do the right thing. I hated her so much her first years in office, but ever since she was elected governor, and is term-limited so she's no longer facing another election, she has been different and managed to do us right on a few issues.

      I believe she will veto this. I don't know what she is getting out of waiting, perhaps she thinks there is value in appearing to take time and consider it before acting. But I don't see that value myself, and I don't see why she would either, since the Medicaid fight she's already lost most the wingnuts so why bother appeasing them in any way now?

      Maybe it is about making the legislature squirm, since the very fools who passed this are now begging her to veto it. She may be disinclined to let them off the hook so easily. That is probably a very charitable interpretation. But the only other thought I have is that she really is thinking about it... and that is just unthinkable. She must veto it, so please just get on with it already.

      •  I really dislike this sentiment (0+ / 0-)
        and let's be clear -- she did the right thing, but not for the right reasons
        And I mean really dislike it. Not only does it have the implication that a decision has to be "pure" (for whatever a person decides means purity to them), it is contrary to pretty much every fact of human nature. People will come to the same decision for different reasons, and if it's the decision you want, why harp that those other guys made it for different reasons, some that you don't agree with? Because I guarantee, they will be doing the exact same thing.

        At a minimum, you're wasting time complaining about something. At worst, you increase the odds of that other natural human reaction, spite. "I voted with you and you still complained about it? Well, fuck you. Don't be expecting me to help next time even if I'm in agreement with the goal, if not for the same reasons." And they'll do it even if it goes against their own interests, because research has shown humans (not to mention our closest primate relatives) will instinctively go against their own best interests just to get back at another party that they felt has wronged them.

        Part of leadership, and common sense, is recognizing when you share a goal with someone else and are able to explain, and justify, it in their terms why it's a good idea.

        Yes, preventing discrimination against people (or expanding health care coverage) is a worthwhile thing in itself, but if someone wants a financial reason why they should do it, give it to them because it's often trivial to demonstrate and it just reinforces why it's the right decision.

        •  Wow, ok then. I wrote 4 paragraphs defending her (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Zaq

          and noted in one sentence that her motives are money and not the good of the people, and you discard everything else I wrote and spend your four paragraphs jumping all over me for "harping" on it, "whining and complaining" about it, all because of an 11-word side comment? Way to completely miss the point! And your demonstration of good leadership and common sense in recognizing allies is noted. LOL.

          But, since you did that, here is your answer: I put those words in there because I knew when I started writing that if I said a good word at all about Brewer, gave her any recognition on here, that someone would pop up to remind me about how she's a republican and it's about the money for them. Which I realize, so I acknowledged that up front. That is ALL it was about. I don't really give a fuck why she did the right thing, I am glad she did and that's why I bothered defending her in the first place.

          Too bad it appears you got so stuck on that small point, that you failed to notice I was actually saying she's been decent and has in fact done the right thing for Arizona on more than one occasion.

      •  I was thinking this was the reason too (2+ / 0-)
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        ItsaMathJoke, CS in AZ
        Maybe it is about making the legislature squirm, since the very fools who passed this are now begging her to veto it. She may be disinclined to let them off the hook so easily.
  •  Time to call GOP-controlled states by what (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    a2nite

    they really are - Neo-Slave states.

  •  Notice as she "does the right thing" there'll be (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Mother Mags, Jay C

    plenty of swipes against the "liberal media" for stirring things up and misrepresenting the bill, blah, blah, blah.

    "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

    by Wildthumb on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:39:38 AM PST

  •  Just proves what I've always thought about her. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Hohenzollern

    She's an idiot who can't even read.

  •  Graft. Pure Graft. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    mconvente

    She's waiting to see what they can offer her, on both sides.

    Remember, she's term-limited, has basically no political future (someone suggested McCain's set -- as if), and is trying to feather her nest.

    She'll veto it, but at the 11th hour after all of the bidding is done.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:41:23 AM PST

  •  Jeebus (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Vita Brevis

    sign the bill or veto it already. This is beyond silly. But this is what happens when you try to pander to these crackpots in the GOP.

    It's the policy stupid

    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:41:48 AM PST

  •  Jan Brewer. Not quite as evil as she could be. (7+ / 0-)

    I did my best to be nice .

    I ride the wild horse .

    by BelgianBastard on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:42:39 AM PST

  •  NFL - pull the Super Bowl (5+ / 0-)

    no matter what Brewer does.  You know that as soon as the SB is over they will pass this legislation.  Are SB $$$ worth a little delay?  Of course they are.

  •  She won't sign the bill (0+ / 0-)

    Why is she waiting so long to sign or not sign? She wants to attract an audience the longer she waits the bigger the audience gets.
        So tell me is Jan stupid enough to think that by Vetoing one bill she can get Cred from the Left?
         Or if she signs the bill she becomes the GOP woman candidate in the GOP Primary.
         Who unlike Michelle Bachman or Sarah Palin will have an actual record of passing the crazy hate legislation  that she is talking about.
       Or lets put it another way every hour Jan waits  AZ's tourism board knows more people will hear this story and change their travel plans even if Jan vetoes the bill because they will have heard enough, thats it.
         

  •  Arizona is not in Bluestateia (2+ / 0-)
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    Things Come Undone, ZedMont

    Jan Brewer was a Secretary of State who was also a chair of the Bush Cheney campaign and was working to do what she could to push the margins in the direction of the GOP.  

    She believed she was right because she is a born again, and she more or less was the least dim bulb next in line after her predecessor left to join the Obama Administration.  

    This is Arizona.  This needs to be repeated.  Arizona.  

    The people who elected her are the extreme right and she has to be intellectually and temperamentally in tune with the bill and would not veto it without it being in a very hot spotlight.

    She might not, if she decides God is telling her to let it pass into law or that she should sign it.  

    Don't be surprised.  

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:46:42 AM PST

  •  Jan Crow. Same as Jim Crow, (5+ / 0-)

    only bigotier.

    Peace on Earth was all it said.

    by BobBlueMass on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:49:12 AM PST

  •  The only reason the last one was vetoed.... (5+ / 0-)

    .....was because it was part of a package of bills that hit her desk after she had threatened to veto everything until they agreed to expand Medicaid under Obamacare.   If she hadn't made that threat, and stuck to it, would she have signed it?  (it wasn't vetoed because it was a bad bill.  It was vetoed because of her overall threat)

    As for the "As always, I will do the right thing for the state"....like signing SB 1070?  Mmmm hmmmm....

    While she did good with the Medicaid expansion, other than that, I have very little faith in her.

  •  She will not veto this law b/c it is an (3+ / 0-)

    opportunity to hate and that's what she does.

  •  Guess someone has her (bone)finger to the wind. nt (2+ / 0-)
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    EastcoastChick, Vita Brevis

    Stuck in PA-3. Let's defeat "Mike" Kelly and Tom Corbett in 2014!

    by JBraden on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:51:00 AM PST

  •  and denial is a river in Egypt /nt (0+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:52:15 AM PST

  •  While I understand the power of law, the fact (3+ / 0-)
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    Vita Brevis, 88kathy, mconvente

    remains that the elected legislature of Arizona passed this odoriferous bill, and whether or not Brewer signs it, there's no way to wash that stink of talibangelical bigotry off of the state.

    Separation of powers matters. It matters that the legislature is so off the rails that it could do this. Those douchenozzles represent the state more intimately than anyone else. And, they need to suffer the consequences.

    There's no need to wait for the bill to become law. The boycott hammer should come down no matter what, IMHO.

    •  Again, the concept: This is Arizona (1+ / 0-)
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      Arizona is not Washington State, nor is it California.  It is not New York or even New Jersey.  It is not Pennsylvania nor even West Virginia.  

      Democrats in Arizona have to hope that the rising demographic of Hispanic voters will have an impact on vote totals in the near future.

      Until then.  the zombies are in control.  

      Arizona.  The place where the people who want to live in a Louis L'Amour theme park in their last years go.  

      hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

      by Stuart Heady on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:16:42 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Too Bad. (2+ / 0-)
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    GrindtheHills, 88kathy

    I wanted the people of Arizona to be the new Shame of America.  They voted for her, they got her.  The people in Arizona that did not feel voting was worth the trouble need to re think that deal.

    Arizona has a lot of people that probably wish Jan Brewer was not in office.  Next time, they should get out and vote.

    " With religion you can't get just a little pregnant"

    by EarTo44 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:52:27 AM PST

    •  And for those of us who DID vote? (1+ / 0-)
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      Jay C

      Just into the hellhole with the rest, eh? Next time I should vote MORE, or something?

      Doesn't matter what the state is. No matter how red, no matter how reactionary the elected officials, no matter how guanopsychotic the local politics, the people there don't deserve to suffer. There are good progressives everywhere, even if we get shouted down sometimes. And even those who were foolish enough or short-sighted enough to support politicians we don't like still don't deserve to suffer if we can do anything about it. That's kind of one of the main things about being a progressive, isn't it? We help ALL the people, not just the voters we like. How's the saying go? "Better ten guilty go free than one innocent be punished," right? Same principle, if it's easier for you to look at it that way.

      AZ, TX, AL, FL, ID, or WTFever, I don't care. There are good folks there who don't deserve to live under crushing reactionary policies, and even the voters who let that happen still deserve something better.

      Be just enough not to punish me for my neighbors. And be kind enough not to wish my neighbors harm for their short-sightedness.

      Always follow the money.

      by Zaq on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 10:40:18 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Tough call. (0+ / 0-)

        I would move.
        Same deal with Texas.
        I would move.
        Same deal with Alabama.
        I would move.
        Florida has enough areas to survive in.

        I just feel if more people suffer, more people will wake up and realize the damage.   More people will change their mind and show up to vote, and some might switch from stupid to Democrat.  

        " With religion you can't get just a little pregnant"

        by EarTo44 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:22:27 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  She's dragging it out to give Time magazine a (2+ / 0-)
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    Things Come Undone, 88kathy

    chance to put just the right photo of her on the cover.

    Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

    by ZedMont on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:56:10 AM PST

  •  Are we looking at a pathetically desperate (4+ / 0-)
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    Vita Brevis, 88kathy, ZedMont, dagnome

    need for the spotlight here?  Will she play this to the very end and make her decision on Saturday?  Hope I'm wrong.

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:57:10 AM PST

  •  If this is what being born again does to a person (6+ / 0-)

    I'm sticking with my original papers!

  •  Jan's having one of her infamous 16-second (1+ / 0-)
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    Vita Brevis

    brain farts, only this time it's stuck. She will veto this POS, she has to. This place is ready to burst if she signs it or lets it pass into law without her signature. All of the GOP gubernatorial candidates but one (Thomas, natch) have spoken out against the bill; if it becomes law they'll be saddled with it, to the delight of Dem Fred Duval.

    stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

    by Mother Mags on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:01:56 AM PST

  •  Jan's Magic 8 ball said-not a good day 4 decisions (1+ / 0-)
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    Vita Brevis

    So she'll crawl back in her Jim Beam's bottle and try again later.

  •  Jan Brewer is NOT stupid, nor evil. She's very (4+ / 0-)
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    Stuart Heady, 88kathy, CS in AZ, Jay C

    shrewd politically. She signed SB1070 (the papers please bill) knowing it would boost her politically. She won election to a full term overwhelmingly, after the state had elected a Democratic Governor twice in a row (Janet Napolitano).

    Then she took on her own GOP legislature to push through the ACA Medicaid expansion, at one point threatening to veto every single bill sent to her until they passed the expansion. Democratic legislators supported it unanimously, and Brewer forced enough GOP legislators to support it that it passed. The Arizona Healthcare business community strongly supported it, and Brewer was smart enough to know that a state with a high percentage of retirees needs a vibrant, state of the art medical care industry to continue to attract more retirees. She's also smart enough to know this "religious freedom" law will hurt the state and will not sign it.

    I still don't like her and would never evah vote for her, but when she pushed through Medicaid expansion she earned my respect.  

    David Koch, a teacher and a Tea Partier sit down a table with a plate of a dozen cookies. Koch quickly stuffs 11 cookies in his pockets, leans to the bagger and says "watch out, the union thug will try to steal your cookie".

    by Dave in AZ on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:10:11 AM PST

    •  The only analysis that sounds right (1+ / 0-)
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      Jay C

      A lot of people in the media, here and everywhere else seem to be willing to go full bore on spouting opinion about this without much basis.  

      I lived in Arizona for several years and really am glad to not have to even drive through it again.  The landscape is beautiful.  The Navajo Nation is incredibly great.  But the white racist backward thinking assholes are highly concentrated enough that it makes you wonder if there is any hope for the future.

      But I am glad to hear that there is a way to look at this that comes from an analysis that makes sense.  I would rather believe that there is some hope, however thin.  

      Thanks for contributing this.  

      hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

      by Stuart Heady on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:21:40 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  She's smarter than she looks. (0+ / 0-)

      But she's still pretty damned evil. Maybe more Iago-evil (I will have my way, and woe to those between me and it) than Sauron-evil (I want to watch the world burn), but she's still evil.

      You know, I don't like that we've reached a point in history (was it ever different . . . ?) where we can call politicians "evil," but god damn, it takes a pretty damned evil outlook to do the shit they do, doesn't it?

      Always follow the money.

      by Zaq on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 10:46:28 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Familiar Territory (0+ / 0-)

    I remember when this same situation came up with SB 1070, the smart money was on Brewer issuing a veto. She gave the same line of taking time to review the bill and held out to the end only to sign the bill. Prior to signing, she was a paragon moderation in public. After signing, she turned into another victim of ODS culminating in that finger wagging picture.

    But there is are differences: 1062 has more vocal opposition, even among Republicans. Also, she has no hope of reelection due to term limits, so she has no incentive to posture for the hard right.

    Oh, and the statement that she vetoed similar legislation before is meaningless. During that period, she vetoed several things she absolutely wanted simply because she was vetoing everything until the legislature agreed to expand Medicare.

  •  Give us this day our daily bread. (3+ / 0-)
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    ZedMont, HarryParatestis, a2nite

    NOT IN THIS RESTAURANT YOU LEPER.

    It seems Arizona is not a state of grace.

    Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

    by 88kathy on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:20:39 AM PST

  •  Brewer should sign this bill into law (0+ / 0-)

    as it does reflect Republican principles of running a business as the business owner wishes and not by what the government says.

  •  If she signs this bill, it could cause trouble for (2+ / 0-)
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    Jay C, drmah

    even the "so-called" Christians who proposed it.  Would the owner of a restaurant, who happens to be a muslim, recognize one of the Arizona representatives, and then  throw him or her out?  (for religious reasons of course)

  •  Jan Brewer is living proof that (5+ / 0-)

    President Obama's decision to name Janet Napolitano to his cabinet was one of the most bone-headed decisions he ever made as president.

    We had a sane person as governor of Arizona, in a state that has shown ample willingness over the years to vote the craziest of nutjobs into that office. And...instead of leaving things as they were...President Obama decided to make Jan Brewer governor of Arizona by naming Napoitano head of Homeland Security. Napolitano should have stayed where she was. She would be better for it. Arizona would be better for it. And the American people would be better for it.

    Same, too, for Kathleen Sebelius.

    When President Obama named Napolitano and Sebelius to his cabinet it make me scratch my head at first. And it's been making me scratch my head more and more each and every single day.

    These were two of the worst decisions of his presidency.

    •  I agree about Janet Napolitano, for sure (3+ / 0-)
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      falconer520, Jay C, Zaq

      Being from Arizona, I knew the minute it happened that taking our popular, elected Democratic governor from us and leaving the state in the hands of Jan Brewer was going to be a full-on disaster for this state and it was. And it's not as if Napolitano was so great in the job he took her for. It was a terrible decision on both their parts, and I am not surprised that Napolitano went to California after she left the cabinet rather than coming back to the people she abandoned. As for Sebelius, I don't know that situation as well but I suspect you are right on that one too.

  •  The majority of the people in that state (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, sukeyna

    elected those politicians as their representatives in the first place, knowing full well what species of "values" they were supporting.

    In spite of what the Constitution explicitly says on this matter in Article 6-3 and further supported in the Barbary Treaty of 1793, these people insist on using religion as their whipping post to publicly violate the law of the land by legislating an intellectual version of Krystallnacht against non-christers.

    I realize I'm in the small minority here who wants Brewer to sign that hideous bill into Arizona law so that that state may be a living, breathing example of the kind of damage that conservative thinking does to a democracy. We in California welcome the exodus of Arizona business and their refugee jobs with open arms.

    And after the November elections the Senate and new House should accept Arizona's secession from the United States so that the Mexican drug lords will have the last remaining obstacle removed for their ability obtain firearms free of hindrance from those pesky ATF agents and border police.

    •  um (1+ / 0-)
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      Zaq

      I do hope you're offering generous relocation expenses for all of us Arizona Kossacks.

      And thanks so much for your support.

      Reality has a well-known liberal bias -- Stephen Colbert

      by ItsaMathJoke on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 10:28:33 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yeah, this. (1+ / 0-)
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        ItsaMathJoke

        There are good progressives everywhere. And even folks who vote for Republicans might be convinced to come around. Just because we got shouted down doesn't mean we didn't vote.

        Did you leave the country when Bush got in power, Anakai? Why not? And why should anything be different on a state level or a local level?

        People deserve better. That means both that we shouldn't flee because an area is currently red (the blue voters there deserve better) and that it's worth trying to turn red areas blue (because EVERYONE there deserves better).

        Always follow the money.

        by Zaq on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 10:52:11 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  I fully expected to get shot down for my comment (0+ / 0-)

      by at least 5 fellow Kossaks. I'd really like to believe that there might be a plurality of people in Arizona emerging with some level of humanity besides the obvious minority of progressives living there; however my personal experience is based on practicality instead of speculative optimism:

      I "grew up" in the deep south for 16 of my first 18 years because of my father's job requirements - and after a stint in the armed forces at Uncle Sam's insistence, I had to return there. In spite of progress all around the area, nothing in the minds of the local residents ever changed, shifted or became aware of anything other than the kinds of behavior that I found vulgar and disgusting: racism, pernicious secular exclusion, closed minds and open rifle bolts. I left that damned place as soon as I could get the money together and I never looked back.

      And in response to Zaq - yes, I almost DID leave the mainland and had nearly everything in place until my wife got sick and then later, the '08 crash which took the rest of everything we had in investments. It wan't for lack of trying - timing and circumstances seem to have their way with most people these days. it's just that I see no point in putting myself or my family though any more crap in a failed, crime-ridden system when I have the option of relocating to a safer, less troubled and less toxic environment.

      If you're a heavy minority trying to vote your way out of an intellectual cesspool, you have my sincere admiration and respect. I simply choose to remove my hand from the fire when it's about to be scorched.

  •  Attention Whore Jan Brewer (0+ / 0-)

    Will wait until the last second before she does the right thing and vetoes Bill 1062.  Or she could sign it after all the attention whore signed the papers please law.

    Either way she is squeezing all the limelight she can waiting until the last second as she takes a week to read a two page bill.

  •  To violate the Constitution or not to violate... (0+ / 0-)

    the Constitution, that is the question.

  •  I like this law, let's me know who the bigots are. (1+ / 0-)
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    drmah

    And makes it easier to not give them my business. Very similar to the places in town that have tea party stuff in their window.

    A mind like a book, has to be open to function properly.

    by falconer520 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 09:51:54 AM PST

  •  Apple to the rescue? (1+ / 0-)
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    drmah

    I have to say I was rather stunned by the speed with which  Sen. Jeff Flake signaled his support for a veto of this toxic legislation.  

    It appears Apple Computer has plans to begin construction on a large manufacturing plant (2000+ jobs) in Gilbert, AZ., a Phoenix suburb which just happens to be the senator's home town.  

    Apple let it be known yesterday that it was not happy with the legislation and was encouraging the governor to veto it.

    Sen. Flake has a 0% GLAAD rating.  

  •  I kinda hope she allows it (1+ / 0-)
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    drmah

    IMO, if you are going to be a hateful bigot, at least be open about it.

    Let AZ businesses show us all how turning away customers is a good idea. I am excited to see it! Just as excited as I was for all those wonderful business owners rallying against the ACA and the results that came.

    Plus, if I lived in AZ... I would be more then happy to take any company that denied services to gays off my list of places to shop. Pretty easy to see a blog starting up listing companies to avoid because of their hate.

    The threat to our way of life comes from corporations, and the solution is to shrink corporations while freeing government from corporate control.

    by gbaked on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 10:19:12 AM PST

  •  Hoping the State Senate will bail her out? (0+ / 0-)

    I saw a diary that seemed to imply that the Arizona Senate can "un-pass" the bill. So I would imagine that Brewer is currently screaming into the ear of every state Republican who will listen, "You created this clusterf*ck, you fix it! I am not going to bail you idiots out."

  •  Her hesitation is less than inspiring. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  More evidence of how STUPID she is (0+ / 0-)

    There was only one way to play this and it was an immediate veto.  Check that, she could have announced her intent to veto.

    Once she failed to immediately veto this she guaranteed this would be a huge story for a long time.  Media attention has ramped up slowly and is getting more and more negative.  Business groups have had make public statements either for or against.  And every day she waits both sides get more angry about the inevitable outcome.

    There is no way this bill stands up to a Constitutional challenge.  None.  So no matter what, it will be reversed.  

    Had she vetoed it the day it was passed all the TeaBaggers would have gotten angry(er) for a day, blamed President Obama/Benghazi and moved on.  Right thinking people would have applauded her, businesses would have sighed in relief, Constitutional scholars would have pointed out that this was all a foregone conclusion and few outside of Arizona save political junkies would have taken notice.

    Instead Arizona is now the crazy state and every business is being forced to take sides.  The Governor looks like an idiot/bigot/meanie for even considering this and the Legislature looks even worse.  By waiting to veto this she has somehow made Arizona less reasonable than KANSAS!!  That takes effort.  

    Her political team is full of clowns and she is the biggest clown in the state.  I hope she signs it.  I hope she makes it the law.  NOTHING could be better for civil rights that this POS becoming law.  It will get struck down so hard and will forever be tied to Arizona - home of bigots.  we already have Miranda vs Arizona.  This will just add to the states infamy.  

    It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

    by ksuwildkat on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 11:03:15 AM PST

  •  She either wants the spotlight on herself (0+ / 0-)

    or she's pretending this is difficult to appease the AZ klansmen.    I'm not sure which.

    I am sure that I've seen a lot of unflattering photos of the governor that past 24 hours, and she'd do herself a favor and remove the spotlight and be done with this thing ASAP.

    Really.     Let's be serious.    She's not going to sign this thing into law and have AZ risk losing the superbowl a 2nd time.

  •  I Think She Just Likes The Limelight And Drama. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Damned if you do and damned if you don't paradox (0+ / 0-)

    LOL! Let's see have Jan/Baby handles business when things get tough.

  •  ridiculous! (0+ / 0-)

    That "Christians" would not embrace those who they deem are "sinners."  What would Jesus do?  He did not turn away those who were different than he.

  •  So would this "religious protection" extend... (0+ / 0-)

    to government employees or did they at least act smart enough to require all government employees to serve the public regardless of religious beliefs?

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