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After initial attempts to dodge the issue, Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal has come out in support of a Georgia specialty license plate design featuring the confederate flag. The plate honors the Sons of Confederate Veterans.
When asked by 11Alive's Paul Crawley if he thought the plate should be changed, Deal said, "I don't think so, I mean it is one of many specialty plates that we have that are supportive of a variety of organizations and causes." [...]

"I don't think that it is something that we should be so concerned about," Deal said. "Hopefully those who take offense at it will look at the fact that it is a part of a cultural heritage of our state."

(Via Right Wing Watch.)



Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on this date in 2013The sequester is stupid and contractionary, but Republicans can't stop themselves:

I'm not sure that there's much nuance to be parsed out about the sequester and why we seem to be headed for it despite it being plainly and obviously the worst possible thing to do. The problem is that the one actually sensible solution—to just dump the whole idea, as Congress can do at any point during this entire ridiculous, posturing debacle—isn't politically palatable to any of the involved groups. Sure, the sequester will foul up the economy, hurt a hell of a lot of people and botch up important government functions all around the nation, but as of right now both parties see "screw up the entire American economy, again" as being preferable to any of the achievable political alternatives.

The Republicans know the partial shutdown of services is going to hurt—a lot. They also know they're going to be blamed for it, no matter what little Twitter hashtags they deploy to the contrary, and that once people with government jobs or government contracts actually start getting furloughed, costing them a hefty chunk of their paychecks, people are quickly going to become irate. Every small town in America is going to be awash with the news of what's been cut, and how many local residents are being furloughed, and how that's going to affect the rest of the local economy, and they'll all be duly noting that there was abso-effing-lutely no reason for it other than this stupid "cut everything because governmenting is hard and stuff" plan.



Tweet of the Day:  

General to Congress: #Guantanamo hidden prison problems ‘increasingly unsustainable’  http://t.co/... Cost only $840K per man/per yr.
@ColMorrisDavis



On today's Kagro in the Morning show, Greg Dworkin reports on the latest Kaiser poll data, the DCCC says it's going on the offensive on the ACA, Chait takes a swipe at pediatricians (or the AAP, anyway), and Chris Christie is still toast. Hey, how about a celebrity salami? Armando calls in to catch up on NSA stories, the upcoming election-time health care fight, AZ's anti-gay legislation & ALEC, and ask why Raymond Felton's gun charges aren't a cause célèbre for gun rights advocates. Banning gays from the NFL is apparently a thing people think they can do.



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  •  franklyn. Proud member of Christie's Hysterical.nt (5+ / 0-)

    After 65 years, the ONLY thing I know absolutely and positively about life is that the check is SUPPOSED to be in the mail. That's it. Nothing else. PERIOD.

    by franklyn on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:30:57 PM PST

    •  Actually, three down, right? (5+ / 0-)

      Didn't Ohio withdraw theirs and Gov. Brewer vetoed the one in Arizona?

      And Kansas withdrew theirs last week.

      But I think Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia all have versions of it winding their way thru their legislatures.

      Food processed to be nothing more than simple starches with two dozen flavorings and stabilizers added to make it appear to be food isn't "food". It's "feed" -- what you give to livestock to fatten them up for slaughter.

      by ontheleftcoast on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:48:19 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  What irks me about these bills is we passed (10+ / 0-)

        one here in WA several years ago and it hardly drew a blip on the radar nationally. WA has a "conscience clause" that let's pharmacists decide to deny service to someone if it offends their morals. Obviously designed to prevent those "women of low moral standards" from getting morning after pills after their weekend of debauchery and hedonism but it could easily be used to decline to fill an HIV prescription. Or how about a Scientologist pharmacist who refused to dispense psychiatric medication? It's effectively just as shitty as the law in AZ or those other states and needs to be overturned somehow.

        Food processed to be nothing more than simple starches with two dozen flavorings and stabilizers added to make it appear to be food isn't "food". It's "feed" -- what you give to livestock to fatten them up for slaughter.

        by ontheleftcoast on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:59:05 PM PST

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        •  I think it was on Chris Hayes' show a couple days (2+ / 0-)
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          back where he mentioned some god-bothering asshole pharmacist who decided—since Plan-B is now available without a prescription—that the only way to protect all those not-yet-conceived babies in his town was to simply purchase the entire shipment as they came into the store.

          Of course there's nothing strictly illegal about doing that; he's not stealing them and he's not reselling them, he's just destroying them so no one else can have them.

          Now, I'm sure if enough people complained they might get this person fired or maybe even get their license yanked – but that would most likely lead to moral outrage and lawsuits and a settlement that would allow them to travel throughout the land buying up all the Plan-B in America.

          Dear Pharmacies: you can prevent stupidity like this quite easily. And you should. Otherwise you should just get out of the medicine business and stick to five and dime crap.

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          by here4tehbeer on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 01:25:18 AM PST

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      •  For the same reason (1+ / 0-)
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        Brewer vetoed the bill today, I think Georgia ultimately will do the same.  There are too many financial and business interests in Atlanta (not to mention the Braves and Falcons) for it to pass ultimately pass.

        I am not as confident about Mississippi or Alabama.

        Sigline? What Sigline?

        by Khun David on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 11:35:48 PM PST

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    •  Here is what I assume are the current states (2+ / 0-)
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      with similar initiatives proposed:

      Anti-Gay Bills That Would Allow Businesses To Turn Away Same-Sex Couples

      Kansas, Tennessee, South Dakota and Oregon have put forward the most explicit anti-gay bills. Other states, such as Arizona, Idaho and Maine, have introduced "religious freedom" measures that would have a similar effect.
      Each of the state links in the quote above have links or PDF's regarding details of each.

      I am dismayed and embarrassed that Oregon is one of them.

      "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress Chris Christie. But I repeat myself." ~ Mark Twain, (with a twist) ;o)

      by Terre on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 09:38:03 PM PST

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  •  Yeah, it's a part of our cultural heritage alright (17+ / 0-)

    Our racist, slave-holding, traitorous cultural heritage.

    When will these un-reconstructed Confederates realize that THEY were the traitors?

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:37:43 PM PST

  •  $840,000 per year, per person... (9+ / 0-)

    to keep someone in Guantanamo??? WTF??? Where's a fiscal conservative when you really need one?

    Unbelievable!

  •  sequester (8+ / 0-)

    How America Became a Third World Country
    May 21, 2013

    EXCERPT

    This piece first appeared on TomDispatch.

    The streets are so much darker now, since money for streetlights is rarely available to municipal governments. The national parks began closing down years ago. Some are already being subdivided and sold to the highest bidder. Reports on bridges crumbling or even collapsing are commonplace.

    The air in city after city hangs brown and heavy (and rates of childhood asthma and other lung diseases have shot up), because funding that would allow the enforcement of clean air standards by the Environmental Protection Agency is a distant memory. Public education has been cut to the bone, making good schools a luxury and, according to the Department of Education, two of every five students won’t graduate from high school.

    It’s 2023 — and this is America 10 years after the first across-the-board federal budget cuts known as sequestration went into effect.  They went on for a decade, making no exception for effective programs vital to America’s economic health that were already underfunded, like job training and infrastructure repairs. It wasn’t supposed to be this way.

    Traveling back in time to 2013 — at the moment the sequester cuts began — no one knew what their impact would be, although nearly everyone across the political spectrum agreed that it would be bad.

    As it happened, the first signs of the unraveling which would, a decade later, leave the United States a third-world country, could be detected surprisingly quickly, only three months after the cuts began. In that brief time, a few government agencies, like the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), after an uproar over flight delays, requested — and won — special relief.  

    Naturally, the Department of Defense, with a mere $568 billion to burn in its 2013 budget, also joined this elite list. On the other hand, critical spending for education, environmental protection, and scientific research was not spared, and in many communities the effect was felt remarkably soon.

    Robust public investment had been a key to U.S. prosperity in the previous century. It was then considered a basic part of the social contract as well as of Economics 101. As just about everyone knew in those days, citizens paid taxes to fund worthy initiatives that the private sector wouldn’t adequately or efficiently supply. Roadways and scientific research were examples.

    In the post-World War II years, the country invested great sums of money in its interstate highways and what were widely considered the best education systems in the world, while research in well-funded government labs led to inventions like the Internet. The resulting world-class infrastructure, educated workforce and technological revolution fed a robust private sector.

    http://billmoyers.com/...

    A study from the University of Kansas found that companies lobbying for a tax holiday received a 22,000 percent return on the money they spent to influence the legislation.

    by anyname on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:41:49 PM PST

  •  Ohio Republicans have finished installing (8+ / 0-)

    their Voter Suppression program that is designed to hand the 2014 and 2016 elections to...Republicans.

    Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

    Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

    “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:42:28 PM PST

    •  Are they saying that it's serious (2+ / 0-)
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      and something we should freak out over?

      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

      by kovie on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:53:11 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  It is serious (5+ / 0-)

        Remember 2004, when Ken Blackwell handed Ohio to Shrub Jr. by shorting the amount of voting areas in minority communities, thus causing lines out the door and down the street of Democratic voters?

        Well, they're doing that on steroids.

        “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

        by Jeff Y on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 09:05:17 PM PST

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        •  And what is the DoJ doing about it? (1+ / 0-)
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          Can they do anything about it? Dems are still bringing nerf bats to a gun fight. They act like they're taking the high ground when the reality is that they're just pathetic cowards who only care about their own asses.

          "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

          by kovie on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 09:13:39 PM PST

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          •  I don't know that there is anything they can (1+ / 0-)
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            do about now that the right wingers on the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act.

            What I would hope would happen is that Democrats could get enough signatures to make it a ballot issue taking the issue out of the hands of the legislature (non-partisan board) or something.

            “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

            by Jeff Y on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 09:20:36 PM PST

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            •  Even if they can't fight it on the basis (1+ / 0-)
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              of willful racial discrimination they could fight it on the basis of either effective if unwitting (yeah right) racial discrimination, or unfair disparate outcome. E.g. like putting one cop per X people in one neighborhood and 10 cops per X people in another, even though both have had comparable crime rates. Even if it's not intentional let alone willfully discriminatory, it's wrong and unfair and should be corrected. But IANAL so I don't know how this translates to an actual legal case based on existing law.

              "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

              by kovie on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 09:30:46 PM PST

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  •  Frankly the problem (7+ / 0-)

    is that people think there is something to be proud of.  Stripping away all the obvious racist aspects.

    There is still the anti-federalist traitorous garbage still leading the region.

    Over 100 years later we are still paying for the fact that Sherman was handicapped and not allowed to truly remove the traitorous social structures.

    "The south shall rise again" and "the union will embarrass them once again"  or something.

  •  Brewer babbling on CNN (10+ / 0-)

    Reading a prepared statement which can be politely described as Palin-esque with a light Vinaigrette dressing

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:45:55 PM PST

  •  Hey, I've got an idea! (6+ / 0-)

    How about Germany comes out with a special commemorative lamp shade with a swastika on it, to honor the sons of SS officers!

    Because it's exactly the same thing! Sieg huzzah!

    I wish I was in Deutschland, hooray, hooray!

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:52:03 PM PST

    •  Old joke (3+ / 0-)
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      Q: What's the difference between Germany and America?
      A: America still has a Nazi party.

      German's don't put up with Nazis. Or Scientologist. There are times I think we need to restrict the 1st Amendment but then I get better and that idea passes. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't ridicule the stupid when we see it. And the Sons of the Confederacy license plates are pure, unadulterated stupidity.

      Food processed to be nothing more than simple starches with two dozen flavorings and stabilizers added to make it appear to be food isn't "food". It's "feed" -- what you give to livestock to fatten them up for slaughter.

      by ontheleftcoast on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 09:43:49 PM PST

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      •  Agreed, but think of the $$$$$ (2+ / 0-)
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        off those special commemorative license plates that Georgia will be wringing out of the racist d**f**s who would moan and groan and pull out their guns if you tried to add that very amount to their taxes.

        Darling, you didn't use canned salmon, did you?

        by JrCrone on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 10:03:53 PM PST

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    •  Love it! (0+ / 0-)

      A perfect companion rant to my ongoing crusade for the very same reasons.

      "Takes more than guns to kill a man" Joe Hill

      by sajiocity on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 11:20:09 PM PST

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  •  This, is awesome (11+ / 0-)

    In Georgia they have decided that it's ok to hand out specialty license plates adorned with the Confederate flag, you know, because "heritage".

    F-ing racists.

    So another group decided to petition the state for special license plates that feature a picture of Gen. Sherman with Atlanta burning in the background.

    I actually think they should have requested a specialty plate featuring Sherman's picture with Confederate troops waving a white flag in the background. But whatever, this is pretty good.

    New Georgia License Plate Marks 150th Anniversary of Sherman's March:

    The state of Georgia last week began offering a new version of its vehicle license plate featuring the Confederate battle flag. Sponsored by the Georgia division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (to whom a portion of the purchase price and annual registration fees will go), the revised design has many people inside the state and out howling mad.

    In response to the outcry, Georgia SCV commander Jack Bridwell asked, "What's the big deal?" Echoing Bridwell's explanation that "the design is just people trying to show who they are and trying to be proud of their heritage," Sons of Confederate Veterans spokesman Ray McBerry invited other groups to do the same:

    Now, a little known organization is taking him up on the offer. The group, calling itself The American People, is sponsoring a license plate to mark the 150th anniversary of Union General William Tecumseh Sherman's March to the Sea.

    http://crooksandliars.com/...

    “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:53:37 PM PST

  •  "Cultural Heritage" (7+ / 0-)
    We, the people, declare today that the most evident of truths –- that all of us are created equal –- is the star that guides us still; just as it guided our forebears through Seneca Falls, and Selma, and Stonewall; just as it guided all those men and women, sung and unsung, who left footprints along this great Mall, to hear a preacher say that we cannot walk alone; to hear a King proclaim that our individual freedom is inextricably bound to the freedom of every soul on Earth.

    ~ President Obama (1-21-13)

    THIS is the "cultural heritage" I celebrate.

    Be sure you put your feet in the right place; then stand firm. ~ Abraham Lincoln

    by noweasels on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:54:49 PM PST

  •  Georgia Plate (2+ / 0-)
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    Sons of the KKK.

    "I don't think that it is something that we should be so concerned about," Deal said. "Hopefully those who take offense at it will look at the fact that it is a part of a cultural heritage of our state."

    After 65 years, the ONLY thing I know absolutely and positively about life is that the check is SUPPOSED to be in the mail. That's it. Nothing else. PERIOD.

    by franklyn on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:55:59 PM PST

  •  Well that was an absolute shitshow... (3+ / 0-)
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    last night.  The UCLA student government voted down a resolution to divest from certain companies doing business with Israel in a marathon 12-hour meeting where over 900 students spoke, and ended with a girl suffering a nervous breakdown.

    I wrote about it as well last night, which drew out a guy who seems to randomly attack me at various times.  Then this morning as well, when I tried to explain the campus dynamics that caused the vote to fail.

    You know what?  Fuck both sides, y'all are assholes.  How about that?  :-P

  •  Kansas tries to steal medicaid money.. (4+ / 0-)

    And it's insurance commissioner, a Republican goes ballistic.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    I hate publishing so late at night, but here's hoping someone sees ;)

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 09:02:49 PM PST

    •  Join the Midnight Musers Dude! (3+ / 0-)
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      I always seem to post when I have something to do (as in I set a time ahead on the publish and then...) or late at night.  Wish we had a reboot in the a.m. for us real night owls.

      ~Arianna_Editrix-- I willingly accept Cassandra’s fate, To speak the truth, altho’ believ’d too late

      by Arianna Editrix on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 09:34:08 PM PST

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  •  A Reflection on Music and Truth... (2+ / 0-)
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    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. -Bertrand Russell

    by mftalbot on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 09:05:27 PM PST

  •  I was all just a mistake huh? or is "cultural.. (3+ / 0-)
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    ..heritage..

    Arizona Senate president Steve Pierce, an original proponent of SN 1062, is now saying that this ‘expansion of the conscience clause’ (as touted by the RWNJ's) was a mistake and not supposed to target the LGBT communityat all.

    Senator Pierce reversed himself calling for Brewer to veto SB 1062/HB 2153 because it was just - “a mistake".

    He acts as though he was unaware of the discrimination against LGBT that SB 1062 protects, because the Bill's language does not specifically target any particular group. And Pierce doesn’t know how on earth this Bill got fast tracked to the front of the legislative line – the President of the senate

    discrimination: "there is none in my view" - Steve Pierce
    Discrimination that is unconstitutional as ruled in one of the earlier cases and sort of the genesis of this latest republican effort at advancing legal bigotry.  In New Mexico as explained by  Jonathan Turley:  
    The New Mexico Supreme Court ruled yesterday that a photography studio violated the New Mexico Human Rights Act (NMHRA) by refusing to photograph a same-sex wedding. -  August 23, 2013 by Jonathan Turley

    The Court made a reasonable distinction between the Huguenin’s conduct as opposed to their beliefs. The law governs conduct in public accommodation. Thus, “in the “world of the marketplace, of commerce, of public accommodation, the Huguenins have to channel their conduct, not their beliefs, so as to leave space for other Americans who believe something different.”

    (short ad - sorry)
    transcript @ link:  http://video.msnbc.msn.com/...

    But I don't buy his feigned (?) ignorance of the blatant discrimination that this bill makes "legal".

    The reason that this and Bills like this don't technically target one specific group (in this case LGBT although that certainly is the motive in many instances in many states) is that specific targeting or differential treatment has been found unconstitutional by the SCOTUS

    This was not a misunderstanding that somehow got blown out of proportion or as senator Pierce calls it - “went viral”; republicans have been proponents of this and too many other discriminatory measures (voter suppression) for too long to try to sell that claim.

    It is clear what the GOP has been doing here - imo - broad discrimination with the target of their bigotry left to anyone to decide who they want to discriminate against based on so called "religious beliefs" or "liberty" or whatever BS wording is used.

    Just a “mistake” that the republican party has been making for many years, every year, all over the country and abroad.  Talking to you too James Inhofe

     - end of rant

    P.S. I'm glad Brewer vetoed this bill, but republicans should get no credit for their flip flopping - imo

  •  Holy shit, I just found out about the (2+ / 0-)
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    160 foot giant squid that recently washed up on a Santa Monica beach that is presumed to have been caused by the Fukushima nuclear spill.

    Talk about jumbo-sized calamari on a graphite rod shish kebab skewer!

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 09:18:14 PM PST

  •  Straight from the mouths of the KKK. (2+ / 0-)
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    ...Georgia specialty license plate design featuring the confederate flag..."I don't think that it is something that we should be so concerned about," Deal said. "Hopefully those who take offense at it will look at the fact that it is a part of a cultural heritage of our state."


    Who told the Greeks they were any good at making yogurt?

    by glb3 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 09:30:18 PM PST

  •  When Will they learn to spell Privilege down there (0+ / 0-)

    At least take comfort in knowing that, with this on the bumper, one can ID "stupid" REALLY fast!

    And yes, we have to put up with it, but I love the new group wanting Atlanta burning in the background.

    As a person "entitled" to an alphabet soup (DAR, DOM, etc.) because of whom I was born to etc. I know one thing, it doesn't mean shite when the shit hits the fan.

    Kudos to my kids in AZ for doing me proud and tying Brewers phone lines up in knots! SWAK!

    ~Arianna_Editrix-- I willingly accept Cassandra’s fate, To speak the truth, altho’ believ’d too late

    by Arianna Editrix on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 09:41:10 PM PST

  •  Brian-Schweitzer is now a MSNBC contributor (0+ / 0-)

    "Go well through life"-Me (As far as I know)
    This message will self-destruct upon arrival in the NSA archives in Utah.

    by MTmofo on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 09:48:21 PM PST

  •  Tweet of the Day (0+ / 0-)

    I'll take half of that ... that'd be ok ...
    $425,000.00 per year.  Done.

  •  A tambourine ain't no stinkin' cow bell. (0+ / 0-)


    Who told the Greeks they were any good at making yogurt?

    by glb3 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 10:05:18 PM PST

  •  Part of my heritage... (4+ / 0-)

    Involved scalping white folks. Sure - we only started doing that AFTER you all scalped us first (Mexican government used to pay $15 a head for us, so folks would scalp us to collect, so we started doing it back).

    So maybe I should drive around with a license plate depicting some of my folks scalping white women.

    - And maybe Germans should have a plate with a certain flag from the 1940s...

    All part of our heritage and such.

    Or maybe its just not right to "celebrate" certain things...

    Call me whatever, but "honoring" the heroes of genocides past just seems like poor taste...

    OMG, like, gag them with a multi-colored spoon. Like, ya know.

    by Jyotai on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 10:19:04 PM PST

    •  I wonder who made your tribe that lowball offer (0+ / 0-)

      We were getting $20 gold eagles for Crow scalps back in the day!

      ~Arianna_Editrix-- I willingly accept Cassandra’s fate, To speak the truth, altho’ believ’d too late

      by Arianna Editrix on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 10:26:46 PM PST

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      •  Yeah Wasn't sure on the number... (0+ / 0-)

        But...

        I am a Crow. Mostly Cherokee though.

        My mind at the writing of the above was thinking of what the Mexicans paid for Apache - and then generalizing.

        Scalping was brought here - a fact I didn't know until my teenage years, having grown up with the people who's ancestors brought it here using it as a slur to justify looking down on me.

        The general point though: Symbols from wars of hate - while these ARE parts of our cultural heritage, they are not parts to be celebrated, but instead put into places to remind us of what we must never again become. Holocaust museums.

        The ONLY legitimate place for the Confederate Flag is an American Holocaust museum. Right next to a noose and a slave whip on a display about the horrors that must never again be allowed.

        OMG, like, gag them with a multi-colored spoon. Like, ya know.

        by Jyotai on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 02:53:05 PM PST

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        •  Agreed (0+ / 0-)

          And sorry if you took the Crow bounty as a slur on your people.  NA's died in the hundreds of thousands and, having grown up in AZ, I did get both sides of the "Apache's were __" in the torture/war crimes games that were played.
          One reason I think we all need to come together is the perpetration of tribal "sovereignty" over inter-tribal unity which leaves a lot of our people out in the cold.

          ~Arianna_Editrix-- I willingly accept Cassandra’s fate, To speak the truth, altho’ believ’d too late

          by Arianna Editrix on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 03:07:54 PM PST

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  •  That is not the CSA flag. (3+ / 0-)
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    Khun David, MTmofo, Sharon Wraight

    The symbol that is being placed on the Georgia plate is not the Confederate national flag.  It is the battle flag of the army of northern Virginia.

    And I'm getting tired of progressive web sites letting this difference go and repeating that it is the Confederate flag.

    The national flag of the confederate states was a different symbol.  And it is that different symbol that they can argue is the symbol of their heritage but they cannot make that claim of the squared version of the stars and bars.

    (4 Months before the end of the war the national flag was a rectangle version of the stars and bars, so maybe, just maybe they can call that version the confederate flag, but never the squared version.)

    So lets review this.  As the battle flag that flag was a symbol of killing, of war.  After the war it became the flag of the KKK and started to die out as an active symbol as the KKK died out.   Then in the 1960s it underwent a resurgence as the symbol of blocking civil rights.

    We cannot let Confederate sympathizers continue this notion that it is a cultural or heritage item.  It was never the flag of the [snark] noble [unsnark] confederate nation.  It (the square version) may have warranted the label of culture and heritage back in 1863 or so, but once it was embraced by the KKK and then re-embraced in the 1960s it totally lost that designation.

    So I respectfully request that when people on DailyKos comment on this symbol that they call it by its correct name.  Don't refer to it as the Confederate flag.  It is the battle flag of northern Virginia.  And thus it has an entirely different meaning that cannot be construed as a cultural or heritage item except for a rather horrible culture and heritage.  (War, the KKK and then later modern racism)

    I'm sorry for the rambling but I'm angry that people who call it the Confederate flag continue to get away with that and we let them.

  •  About that heritage... (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, Nannyberry

    "Hopefully those who take offense at it will look at the fact that it is a part of a cultural heritage of our state." It's a heritage of OWNING and ENSLAVING people.

    I don't get (nor do I want to) how people can take pride in the idea of holding people in bondage. I am not a proponent of what is done is done and moving on. Slavery was a shameful part of our history and should be treated as an embarrassment, not held up as a matter of pride. Slavery was the sin this nation was born in, and generations of good works will never remove that blight from our origins.

    I do believe that is possible for a soldier to fight honorably in a dishonorable war, but this isn’t about honoring individual acts of honor of soldiers it’s about honoring a system that not only destroyed the spirit of those enslaved, but those slave owners. When I see the confederate flag, what I see is treason.

    I realize that I have become a bit over the top over this issue, but I genuinely am disgusted by the entire concept of honoring states that tried to tear this nation apart over their belief they had the RIGHT to own other people. It disgusts me.

    To the world you are one person. To one person, you are the world. They can have John Galt, I'll take Joe Hill..

    by p a roberson on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 03:38:29 AM PST

  •  "...a cultural heritage of our state." (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, Nannyberry

    In the Georgia Declaration of Causes to Secede, slavery is mentioned 27 times as one of the reason to Secede.

    In the Constitution of the Confederate States "slave" in mentioned 8 times, mainly dealing with ownership, transportation and recognition of slaves as property.

    Quite the heritage.

    "If you pour some music on whatever's wrong, it'll sure help out." Levon Helm

    by BOHICA on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 04:10:57 AM PST

  •  I don't get why.... (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    ....anyone would want to honor a cultural heritage that encompasses fighting against your brothers took keep other people as slaves and then loosing that fight.

    If I had that in my past I would do all I could to keep it a secret and start a new page in my family history.

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 04:21:31 AM PST

  •  "Part of a cultural heritage." (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    Uh huh.

    A cultural heritage that no one should look at with anything but scorn, revulsion and outrage.

    Do these unreconstructed Confederates think there should be German-American Bund license plates?  How about KKK?  How about the American Nazi Party?  How about Jim Crow?

    I mean, seriously, do these rubes that ignorant?

  •  Tax Reform my ass. (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    They spend years working on 'tax reform', and they still offer us up the same old crap - fewer taxes on people with more money and a lot closer to a flat rate.

    You want a simpler tax code?  Make ALL income the same, get rid of every business-related loophole, cap the mortgage interest deduction to a 200k house's worth.  And ADD brackets.  A billionaire should not be paying the same percentage as a person who makes half a million a year.

  •  Are more people more mean, than before? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JeffW

    Or do we just hear about them, more?

    If either one, why?

    Or is neither the case?

    I remember when the bumper-sticker slogan "Mean people suck" seemed to be a more commonly shared attitude.

    These days, it seems like more people celebrate those who are mean. People looking for in-group/out-group distinctions? The anonymity of the internet unleashes nastiness that otherwise would be held in check by reputation effects of friends and family?

    This seems to be a common thread in various random cultural things -- using the Confederate flag (or the 1860s VA battle army variant), the knockout punch 'game', various nasty 'reality' TV shows, anti-gay bills, all the street fight videos (see Liveleak, Metacafe, etc.) and the hideous commentary on them, outright racist comments on many mainstream media websites (especially if linked to by Drudge), the graphic violence in first-person shooter video 'games' (used by the US Army to recruit and train soldiers), the graphic violence on TV and movies (violence and sex: the two cheapest devices for any screenwriter), violent lyrics in pop music, gun-violence and the fear of it ('stand your ground,' 'shall issue carry,' stockpiling, brandishings, etc.), self-proclaimed 'militias', etc.

    What's up with that?

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