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U.S. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) (L) and House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) (R) stand together at a news conference at the Republican National Committee offices on Capitol Hill in Washington October 23, 2013. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst
Fun times.
House Republican ineptitude at governing has been no more apparent than in the Obamacare repeal and replace debacle they've imposed on the nation for the past three years. The repeal part, they got that down after 40-some votes. The replace part, however, that takes actual hard thinking and policy making, something the Republican party lost interest in years ago. So it's looking increasingly like they're just going to give up on it.
House Speaker John Boehner, the top U.S. Republican, told reporters on Thursday that it was important for Republicans to come up with "better solutions" on healthcare.

But Boehner would not commit to putting a Republican alternative to a vote this year. Pressed on his plans to move legislation, he said the party would continue discussions on replacing Obamacare and seek member input. "We're going to go through a lot of ideas," Boehner said.

Part of the problem is what we've seen for the whole of Boehner's speakership: he's incapable of leading the tea party contingent he let take control of the conference. They fundamentally don't care about anything other than repeal and they don't want any replacement that has anything at all to do with Obamacare as it exists now. But Republicans can't actually say out loud that they think insurance companies should be able to refuse to sell you insurance because you have a pre-existing condition, or that insurance companies should be able to just dump you for any reason. So now that all those things are actually law, they have to say they want to keep them, but are utterly incapable of coming up with a real plan that would work in the real world.

So, after weeks of promises of a Republican plan emerging from the House, leadership is being forced to walk that promise back. The best part of this is Boehner's lame excuse: they just have too many ideas! "And so, we're going to continue to go through a lot of ideas. You can see our members—they've introduced 126 different ideas about how to fix Obamacare, how to replace Obamacare." Uh, huh.

The second best part is the "hope group." That's Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA), House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) and House Republican Conference Chair Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA) who are meeting Friday to try to figure out where in the hell to go from here. They "hope" they can find some way out of the repeal corner they've painted themselves into and come up with a plan that House Republicans would actually vote for. I hope they're not holding their collective breath. Meanwhile,

House to vote on a bill to delay individual mandate for a year next week. Will post details shortly.
@philipaklein
They just can't resist the siren song of repeal.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 09:03 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (55+ / 0-)

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

    by Joan McCarter on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 09:03:50 AM PST

  •  Grayson already revealed their real solution. (17+ / 0-)

    "Die Quickly"!

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 09:09:32 AM PST

    •  Republicans . . . (3+ / 0-)
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      They shall undercome.

      Not someday.  Every day.

      •  Wow! 126 different ideas. No wonder they can't (2+ / 0-)
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        make up their minds. But do you think they could maybe divulge 1 or 2 of them to the public?

        •  Yeah, with 126 different ideas, (1+ / 0-)
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          JusticeSeeker68

          there might be 1 or 2 that aren't bad.

          But, I doubt it.

          Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfu*king snows on this motherfu*king plain!

          by shoeless on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 10:47:49 AM PST

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        •  Becaue ObamaCare was a republican idea. (1+ / 0-)
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          The very conservative Heritage Foundation borrowed the ideas and authored a plan that is the underpinning for the Affordable Care Act - ObamaCare.

          The plan from Heritage was an answer to the plan devised by then First Lady Hillary Clinton.

          The Heritage plan was adopted and implemented by Governor Mitt Romney.  Mitt Romney went on to run for president in 2008 with the idea that he would bring RomneyCare to all 50 states should he have become president.

          Of course, what changed the mind of Mitt Romney and republicans was Obama Derangement Syndrome.

          President Obama decided he did not have the votes for single-payer, so he naively believed that by co-opting the republican plan, he could get republicans to the negotiation table for the plan developed by a conservative think-tank that was implemented by a severely conservative governor.

          The reason why republicans cannot come up with a better solution to ObamaCare is because Heritage Foundation did a reasonable job at coming up with a private sector solution that was not single-payer.

          What changed the mind of Mitt Romney and republicans was Obama Derangement Syndrome.

        •  my thoughts exactly (0+ / 0-)

          If they are so hell bent on replacing the ACA why didn't they offer up some of they idea from the first vote on their repeal and replace campaign, Just asking?
          Let's hear some of their Idea we may just think that they might just have at least 1 out of a 126, the odds have got to be in their favor.
          What are they scare or something?

    •  Die Quickly at home. (4+ / 0-)

      The Republicans do not want to provide healthcare for those who haven't been able to afford it.  Every plan with which they have come up would increase the number of uninsured.  They keep saying they will come up with a plan but after 5 years, the best they can do is urge the poor to avoid seeing a doctor or going to an emergency room until they are ready to die and then do it quickly.  The milk of human kindness was evidently left out of their constitution, pun intended.

    •  you think youre kidding (0+ / 0-)

      But look at Georgia.
      They want to repeal the requirement that hospitals must treat women in labor and people with medical emergencies regardless of ability to pay

       there goes Georgia again  

  •  they've had four years to come up with (16+ / 0-)

    a better solution...and their limited abilities have, apparently, prevented them from doing so thus far. What makes them think it will be any different any time in the near future?

  •  Good (2+ / 0-)
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    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 09:28:44 AM PST

  •  Can't walk November back Boner. (2+ / 0-)
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  •  Really? (4+ / 0-)
    I hope they're not holding their collective breath
    I hope they hold their collective breath forever.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 09:38:18 AM PST

  •  Bill Kristol is wrong, yet again. (9+ / 0-)

    In December 2013, he appeared on Morning Joke and proclaimed that Paul Ryan would introduce a replacement bill January 1, 2014.

    I licked my chops when he said that because we all know Paul Ryan has a problem with basic MATH.  

    It reminded me of the GOP campaigning on jobs, jobs, jobs in 2010.  

    Democrats must hold these charlatans accountable and force them to put up or shut up!

  •  I'd say they don't even have the "repeal" Thing (5+ / 0-)

    down.

    (Looking around...)

    Nope.  Obamacare is still law of the land.

    Theyre simply inefficient time- and money-wasting Morans  pursuing cruel and stupid unrealistic dreams created in their shrunken little brains while veterans, seniors, children, sick and other citizens pray that one day they'll actually, you know, do their jobs.

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 09:55:10 AM PST

  •  The Big Bad Wolf (4+ / 0-)

    who says, I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll continue to go through a lot of ideas. Ideas like

    vacation, vacation, cocktails, repeal, vacation, Bengazi, repeal, vacation, cocktails, tanning session, golf, vacation, cocktails, impeach, cocktails, vacation, repeal, witch hunt, Bengazi, cocktails, teh gays, repeal, cocktails and vacation.

    See, they got hundreds of ideas.

  •  All very true, Joan. (1+ / 0-)
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    And all very gratifying to me as well.  

    But let's not ignore the president's and Democrats' general ineptitude.  Even the hillbillies are eventually going to figure out the ACA is a good thing and then we'll be talking about how much better it could have and should have been had we stuck to our principles.

    •  ineptitude? (2+ / 0-)
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      Aunt Pat, Shawn87

      what about the game is rigged do you not understand?

      how much better it could have been
      pipe dream.

      -You want to change the system, run for office.

      by Deep Texan on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 10:06:42 AM PST

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      •  Don't talk down to me. (0+ / 0-)

        I understand, yeah, it's rigged.  That's why we need to fight, stand up and act like real Democrats.

        But there's no time for that if we hang out in progressive blogs all day gloating about how much smarter we are.  If we're so smart why don't we unrig the goddamn system?  All it takes is a few more progressives in congress instead of sorry wimp democrats-in-name-only.

        •  fight how? (1+ / 0-)
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          you need to go somewhere else with your wimp democrats bullshit.

          your language use is offensive and you're not providing any method to achieve more than what we have.

          -You want to change the system, run for office.

          by Deep Texan on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 01:07:17 PM PST

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          •  Yes, I am. (0+ / 0-)

            First, fight AT ALL instead of negotiating with GOP terrorists.

            Fight by calling out the Koch brothers as liars instead of meekly apologizing for a glitchy rollout.  The president should address the lies directly and he should debunk every "horror story" lie.

            Stop supporting so-called Democrats who subvert our agenda.

            Fight for our core values instead of negotiating them away, e.g., the "grand bargain," and what was chained CPI doing on the table in the first place?  

        •  It's all about the number oh yay (0+ / 0-)

          I got to agree with you oh yay and your passion to stand up and fight.
          But we just don't have the number in the House of Representatives, We do in the Senate but the Dem are thin there also, with the filibuster rules that are in place
          We really don't have a majority rule in the Senate.
          The Senate is the only thing that is keeping us on at least an even keel.
          In the House the Dem's can't even bring bills up on the floor, unless they use a discharge petition, in which they will need to get some repub's to sign on,and it depend on how many dem's sign on to the bill on the number of repub's so the number will vary for a simple majority

          I understand your frustration, it just that the gov. is about at least 3 to 5 year behind the times.  

          Johnny B where the Jobs?

    •  And we'll all time travel to the past (2+ / 0-)
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      and just tell everyone that if you'll just make it Single Payer, it'll be great for this country.  And Lieberman and Nelson and others will vote against it, and then we won't have any health care improvements.

      At least the paradox will destroy the universe.

      "Harass us, because we really do pay attention. Look at who's on the ballot, and vote for the candidate you agree with the most. The next time, you get better choices." - Barney Frank

      by anonevent on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 10:06:50 AM PST

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  •  Here in LA. the Koch Bros. have been running ads (5+ / 0-)
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    for months attacking Sen. Landrieu because she supported Obamacare. In their ads they state "We can do better." What would THAT be?

    "Onward through the fog!" - Oat Willie

    by rocksout on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 09:57:17 AM PST

    •  the conservatives have an all out blitz (2+ / 0-)
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      going here in Texas.  batshit crazy republicans.

      tea bag republicans everywhere.

      -You want to change the system, run for office.

      by Deep Texan on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 10:07:36 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Yes, but. (1+ / 0-)
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      Where is the president?  Why doesn't he give a primetime speech specifically to denounce the ads the Koch brothers are paying for?  Why doesn't he stand there and look into the camera and call them liars, then briefly debunk each and every "Obamacare horror story"?

      Why aren't we fighting this more effectively?

      •  He could at least... (3+ / 0-)

        Give a prime time news conference 'spiking the ball' with Obamacare.  Brag about the numbers.  Find a half-dozen iron clad fully vetted anecdotes.  Something.  Anything.  Instead, silence.

        “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck (Disputed)

        by RichM on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 10:14:50 AM PST

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      •  I've lost count how many times in the last year (2+ / 0-)

        I've called on Obama to give a primetime speech to hammer the GOP for holding the country hostage, or educate the public on this or that issue. The fact that he has only done it once, to persuade the public to support possible military action against Syria, even after both he and Cameron had all but abandoned their plans, following the British PM's defeat in Parliament and Putin's intervention, is maddening.

        To say Obama and the Dems have let the Boehner and the teahadists off the hook, would the understatement of the decade.

  •  Now that the Obamacare furor has died down (2+ / 0-)
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    in the general public, the Administration will have a real opportunity to scrutinize the data from this first enrollment period and figure out what things they need to work out to optimize the 2014-15 rollout period.  I think there is a goldmine for the exchange from small business.  Some have started to join the exchange already but others probably held back to do a wait and see approach.  The exchange will remove an operational burden for small business while providing a good deal for the customers.  There are some trade-offs:  the tax deduction for offering health insurance (not as big of a benefit for small business due to lack of volume, but still something to consider; the deductions from paychecks to pay health care premiums being pre-tax vs. post-tax...could be an issue for some.).

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    by khyber900 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 09:59:46 AM PST

  •  Can't wait for some young republican (0+ / 0-)

    sometime in the future, who don't really know much about the health care debate before the ACA, to suggest a single payer system.  

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    by SacSloth on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 09:59:47 AM PST

  •  Republican proposal to end WWII (3+ / 0-)
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    Speaker John Boehner appeared today at a news conference to discuss the latest plans of the Republican Caucus for ending the Second World War.
    "Well, we've gone through a lot of ideas and have finally narrowed it down to three or four. We really think Germany should unconditionally withdraw from the former Stalingrad but haven't worked out a new border completely. Japan should go back on the gold standard and we would really like to see them stop attacking British India. Besides that, I've got nothing."
    Stay tuned for more breaking news....

  •  It's a low bar and they still can't hit it. (2+ / 0-)

    It is no secret around here that I think very little of the ACA as law or implementation, but believe it to improve considerably on the former status quo.

    That said -- there is so much to improve on, it's amazing these dickheads can't manage to do it.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 10:05:53 AM PST

    •  Any 'improvement'... (1+ / 0-)
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      davidincleveland

      Would either reduce benefit guarantees or cut into insurance profits.  Or increase deficits.  They can't touch anything without changing one of those parameters.

      “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck (Disputed)

      by RichM on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 10:17:47 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  On the other hand, dinotrac - (1+ / 0-)
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      T Maysle

      The kind of actual improvements you're talking about could be proposed by the Democrats.  But no, they're so relieved to not have to cast more "controversial votes" for something everyone wants and needs and will love if you explain it and stand up for it.

      •  Could be, but haven't. (1+ / 0-)
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        What we're more likely to see is provisions like the one that irks me more than just about anything else: one protecting annual mammograms.

        If we protected and provided the right to effective medicine for patients instead of doctors', hospitals', pharmaceuticals', and insurance companies incomes, we might just get somewhere.

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        by dinotrac on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 11:11:23 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  GOP: ass-less chaps (2+ / 0-)
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    Obamacare reality bites Republican butts

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 10:06:15 AM PST

  •  They are going to introduce single payer! (4+ / 0-)

    :)

  •  If they can't make someone miserable, (4+ / 0-)

    desperate, and/or destitute,

    -- Republicans are not happy.

  •  While Republicans stumble over themselves... (0+ / 0-)

    ... while deciding who should be sacrificed to their plutocratic agenda next, the Democratic agenda is already at work improving the quality of life for millions.

    The Party of No continues to offer the American people nothing. No leadership. No solutions. No future.

  •  It's the easist thing to do... (4+ / 0-)

    Criticize a system that is massive and hard to comprehend.  But the hardest thing to do is figure out how to change it for the better (assuming that is even your intention in the first place).  In business (isn't the GOP the party of business?) management is very fond of saying, 'Don't bring me a problem unless you bring me a solution.'  The GOP likes making problems out of thin air.  It's easy.  And our stenographic pundacracy eats it up without the slightest bit of analysis.

    “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck (Disputed)

    by RichM on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 10:11:00 AM PST

  •  It must be tough for them (2+ / 0-)
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    because their ideology is "I got mine, keep your hands off of it".  Trying to design a healthcare system from scratch around that ideology forces you to confront some ugly truths about your morality.

  •  It's like Nixon's secret plan to end the war... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...in Vietnam.  You don't get to see it unless you vote for him, and then you find out the plan is massive bombing and taking the war to new countries.

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 10:20:30 AM PST

  •  We should always be in *favor* of Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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    T Maysle

    holding their breath, until they turn blue.

    Enough fossil fuel remains on Earth to warm it 6 degrees C by 2100 AD if it is all used. A +6 C planet will only sustain half a billion humans. Human population will rise to 9 billion by 2050. Any questions?

    by davidincleveland on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 10:29:34 AM PST

  •   Boehner's lame excuse ... (0+ / 0-)

    Even though it is satisfying to watch them squirm and flail on the issue, the truth is that an out that lets them save face in some manner will likely be the most productive.

    "It's not surveillance, it's data collection to keep you safe"

    by blackhand on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 10:31:47 AM PST

  •  Delay of the individual mandate for a year (0+ / 0-)

    Does anyone ever explain what a delay of the individual mandate for a year would accomplish?

    Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfu*king snows on this motherfu*king plain!

    by shoeless on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 10:44:34 AM PST

  •  Let me guess. Their 126 ideas all involve either: (0+ / 0-)

    a. deregulation of the health insurance industry

    b. health savings accounts

    c. tax cuts for health insurance executives (and other millionaires, of course)

    d. all of the above

    Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfu*king snows on this motherfu*king plain!

    by shoeless on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 10:53:41 AM PST

    •  I think you may have forgotten one! (0+ / 0-)

      Don't treat anyone that doesn't have insurance or can't afford it.

      I just heard recently (I forgot what state it is) that they want to pass a law that if you're sick and or injured, the hospital can turn you away if you can't afford it.

      A law that I believe their beloved Reagan put into affect.  

      •  I need to clarify my comment (0+ / 0-)

        "A law that I believe their beloved Reagan put into affect."

        The law that I am referring to is that: hospital are not allow to turn you away due to your financial status.

        It was a little ambiguous "sorry"  

      •  ...there is a GOP lawmaker that does want... (0+ / 0-)

        ...to create a law that disallows anyone who has no health insurance or is simply destitute from receiving emergency room care...

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        by paradise50 on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 12:14:34 PM PST

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  •  "They 'hope' they can find some way out of (0+ / 0-)

    the repeal corner they've painted themselves into and come up with a plan that House Republicans would actually vote for. I hope they're not holding their collective breath."

    Actually, I hope they are.

    Is it wrong that I'm smiling?

  •  126 ideas, 20 pages per idea (0+ / 0-)

    that's pretty close to a 5000 page bill

  •  You're a better human being than I (0+ / 0-)

    "I hope they're not holding their collective breath."

    I, on the other hand, hope they do just that. After all their hokey lapel pin patriotism (while hating everything best about America), what more fitting end for the lot of them than to turn red, blue, and white?

  •  This country has kicked the can (1+ / 0-)
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    Shawn87

    down the road for far too long.

    We had been the only Western Industrialized country who did not even try until this president to deal with the problem of the uninsurable and the uninsured for whatever reason.

    The stark fact that those uninsured who find themselves with a medical crisis either paid away their life savings, went into bankruptcy, or their bills found their way in rising hospital and insurance costs, along with all of us paying needlessly.

    This reform and regulatory system mandating coverage is the only way this country can deal with our particular solutions at this time, with Corporate America (the insurance companies) still in charge.   It is our government's duty to regulate an industry that was screwing their policyholders at every turn.

    Until we have Medicare for all, or single payer, this is what we have.  It is a step up from what we had before.  It behooves all Americans, Republican and Democrate to get behind it, make it work, and stop this nonsense.

    The GOP can't take away all the strides we have made so far.  The American people won't stand for it.

  •  So their big idea is to save $95 for noncompliers (3+ / 0-)
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    They're not actually proposing to delay the mandate, just the fine for not buying insurance.

    As my Southern friends say, "Big whoop."

    Roll down the window and let the wind blow back your hair.

    by Lisa in Bama on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 11:38:32 AM PST

  •  And all they really have to do is quite simple (0+ / 0-)

    If the Republicans finally decide to take this issue on seriously, they should propose scrapping ObamaCare and lower the eligibility age for Medicare to birth.

    Or propose a public option. They could really lambaste Obama with that one: "We will bring to the people Health Care Obama was afraid to touch!"

    And don't say it would be against Republican principles: they have none (except making sure Obama is a one term president...heh heh heh. Don't you dare tell them...)

    Really. The Republicans see their road back to power is a trashed economy with a Democrat in the White House, and disaffected voters throwing the bums out. So they kill unemployment insurance, minimum wage, infrastructure investment, anything that would help the economy get back on its feet, hoping Democrats will get the blame for not 'doing something' while they had the chance.

    But what if they saw their road back to power was doing something really really popular? Medicare is really really popular, and so would be expanded VA style health care for non-veterans.  

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    by Orinoco on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 11:40:31 AM PST

    •  Republicans would never do that. (1+ / 0-)
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      T Maysle

      They are agaiinst "socialized medicine," i.e., any plan that hurts the health insurance racket.

      Democrats, on the other hand, could and should propose such things.

      But everyone knows Americans prefer to be taken advantage of, and love being denied adequate coverage for health care, especially now that we're all living so much longer.  Such proposals are just so controversial, so dangerous.

      •  If they would never do that (0+ / 0-)

        it is because they think they would lose. It seems the only principle Republicans can be reliably counted on to advance is: winning is good, losing is bad.

        I don't think they will pivot that way either, but it's not because they are against socialized medicine. They really have no clue what socialized medicine is, nor socialism, nor even medicine, if it comes to that. It's just buzz words in the service of winning power, which is their only bottom line.

        The Koch's didn't buy the Republican Party because of Republican's principles, they bought it because it was for sale. If it becomes advantageous for the health insurance racket to get thrown under the bus, why, under the bus it will go, without a seconds hesitation or any second thoughts.

        "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

        by Orinoco on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 06:01:08 PM PST

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  •  Reminds me of another GOP whiz - Joe McCarthy (1+ / 0-)
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    who famously had "in (his) pocket, the names of 234 (or 143, or 916 or make up any number) state department (or white house or members of congress, you know) employees who were card carrying communists."
    But he was finally "shamed" from office and his despicable accusations.
    The current crop of teathuglicans do not have the capacity for shame as it is a human trait.

    "Takes more than guns to kill a man" Joe Hill

    by sajiocity on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 02:57:21 PM PST

  •  It doesn't take a lot of thought (0+ / 0-)

    Just make it Medicare for all.  See how easy that was?

  •  Obamacare (2+ / 0-)
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    In Maine, a non-profit alternative to Anthem BC/BS was started, called the Maine Community Health Option.  Their hope was to have 7500 people enrolled by the end of March.  They just told me that they have over 20,000 signed up.  They also told me that of all the new Mainers getting policies through healthcare.gov, MCHO is getting 82% of them.  Anthem has had a monopoly here for years......and it's over!!

  •  What a bunch of sad sacks. (1+ / 0-)
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    The GOP is just a cartoon of itself.  They have no good ideas, do not know how to run a functioning Government and will continue their downward spiral until they hit the bottom of the deep ditch they have dug.  I just wish they would hurry up, it is getting painful to watch.

  •  ACA (aka Obamacare) Was the GOP Idea (0+ / 0-)

    that is why they can't come up with new ideas. Remember Nixon "invented" ACA, Heritage re-tooled it, Newt glommed on to it to oppose BillaryCare, W ran with it, but we only got the BlackHole of WCare Part D, then, RMoney passed it in MA.

    However, the majority of 'registered' GOP has an idea. Team up with the majority of Dems and Indies to create Universal, Single-Payer Healthcare - just like every other Industrialized Nation has - plus countries like Costa Rica.

  •  126 different ideas? Yo! Mr. Speaker! (1+ / 0-)
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    Y'all are makin' this wayyyy too complicated.  There's only ONE "idea" you have to get yours and your party's head around and that's SINGLE-PAYER Health Care For All.  You know, like all those other "backward" countries have...the ones that only pay half of what we do for health care that's twice as good as ours.  Yeah, those countries.

    The closest we have to their extremely-simple systems is Medicare (for seniors and the disabled), and the VA (for veterans). Expand either of those (or combine the two) to include ALL Americans, and you and your buddies in Congress can stop taxing those few working brain cells to come up with a "replacement" for Obamacare.  

    There now, see how easy that was?  

  •  House Republican ineptitude at governing (0+ / 0-)

    I don't think they are inept.  Up to now they have managed to stall, stop or delay almost every progressive bill that comes before them in the house or senate.  As a minority party they have exerted more power than the majority.  Spending cuts to social programs have gone forward, unemployment benefits have been stalled, immigration reform will not happen.  On the contrary, other than completely repealing the ACA I would say they are doing just what they wanted.  It doesn't say much for the Dems who appear weak and spineless.  

  •  Obamacare biting Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    Especially since the under reported story is that Obamacare seems to be bringing down the rate of rising health care costs, at least according to James Carville's statement in the last month or two.

  •  I Agree With Boehner (0+ / 0-)

    I do in fact agree with Boehner that we simply must come up with a better system of health care. The answer is as clear as a blue sky and the solution is a single payer system for all. The first step is to take away the unnecessary middleman known as health insurance companies. I'm not anti-business. In fact, I was the co-owner of an independent insurance agency and the owner of a small union concrete construction company while at the same time working out of the OPCMIA as a union cement mason/plasterer. I thoroughly enjoyed getting fifteen to twenty percent of every insurance policy I wrote every time the premium paid.

  •  single payer is on the way! (0+ / 0-)

    read and support H.R. 3737: Medicare You Can Buy Into Act

  •  They are clueless (0+ / 0-)

    We may have waited to long to state the obvious. The Republicans simply don't have what it takes to Govern. They have no idea what it takes to govern .

    Like the class moron, Republicans do what they know how to do best, which is to disrupt, bully, taunt, criticize,and undo what has been done.

    They cannot grasp basic concepts of operation and human decency. They love to be seen and heard even though they really have nothing constructive to offer yet, scream, wreck the rules, and have a royal fit when they are told that they can not have their way.

    We really do give Republicans too much intellectual credit when it comes to running anything. That is why we must bail them out of the mess they make far too often in corporate America.There was, and is, more than greed operating here. There is a preponderance of down home stupidity and ignorance driving Republican politics and governance.

    Just look at the train load of clowns they offered the American people, in the last election, to lead our nation.

  •  Until ... (0+ / 0-)

    Personally, I will no longer listen to nor consider anything said by the Republican caucus - which includes Tea Party, Libertarian and others, until they submit details as to what it is that they feel is wrong with the ACA - now proudly known as ObamaCare - and specifics as to their proposed fixes.  This constant barrage of demonization and attacks is really boring.

    There are many facts and factors that more than justify the major overhaul that the ACA brought about - and long overdue. Is the ACA perfect? No !!! But the absurd notion that scraping it and starting all over is justified is beyond absurd. Only a true reactionary zealot (see definitions that follow) would agree with that.

    reactionaryadjective; of, pertaining to, marked by, or favoring reaction , especially extreme conservatism or rightism in politics ; opposing political or social change relating to, marked by, or favoring reaction; especially :  ultraconservative in politics

    zealot One who is religiously devoted to an ideal, cause, object, person, culture, or political ideology. Typically to an extreme

    Think about it.

  •  Tea Party Extremisms (0+ / 0-)

    To be quite blunt , they are not the best or the brightest and therefore incapable of doing anything to develop a plan or strategy. Lisbeth Benacquisto, a Florida Republican State Senator, has developed an alternative to the Health Care Bill called the Market Place where people can sign up with private insurance companies. Does anyone notice something familiar about that and the Health Care Bill?

  •  I am really glad I (1+ / 0-)
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    live in Minnesota. I just signed up with the Minnesota Health Care Program. Because I make next to nothing my insurance is practically free (yes free!) with relatively low co-pays and deductibles. Folks, I haven't had health insurance for years!
    So will this keep me from looking for a better paying job or another part-time job so I can actually make enough money to pay off my student loan debt or buy a new used car? Of course not!
    If the Republicans think I don't deserve health insurance paid for by state taxes (which I have paid my share of for years, especially when I was working full time) they can bite me! We have all been footing the bill for their first class health care for quite a long time!

  •  They're just biding their time. (0+ / 0-)

    They have no intention of upholding the "replace" part of their mantra of "repeal and replace."  

    They're waiting till they have a Republican president.  Then they'll simply repeal it and hope he [and it WILL BE a he] signs the repeal.  

    So, come to think of it, they'll wait till his second term to send the repeal to his desk so he won't have to run again with that albatross hanging around his neck.

    The upside is that, by that time, enough people will be benefiting from Obamacare that the NEXT president will be a Democrat and the majority of those who voted for the repeal will lose their jobs.  
    But the downside is that Obamacare will be history - - - -  And HOW LONG did it take to get even this cobbled-together law into place?  We've been trying since Truman, fergoshsakes!  How long, then, will people be out in the cold?  Again?

    The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men - - Plato . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We must be the change we wish to see in the world - - Mohandas Gandhi

    by twocrows1023 on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 09:34:27 AM PST

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