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There is a lot of discussion over the Ukraine and standing up to Putin, and Russia.
The usual faces are demanding we go to war with East Asia. Sarah Palin is even
claiming she predicted this. My ass, she can't even find Ukraine on a map.

Russias big export industry is energy.

if Europe and the US push hard, we can change that equation and
push the russians back.

http://www.renewablesinternational.net/...

the picture above shows how much we have moved in wind energy.

40X.

That's a big deal,  and we are headed to 100X in 25 years.

The news biggest turbines are pushing 7 MW.  That's a monster turbine.

That's wrestle with Godzilla and win turbine.  

That's grind up sancho panza into dust turbine.

meanwhile in solar

http://www.economist.com/...

the latest cells coming out are now headed for 50% efficiency

but more importantly cost

http://cdn.static-economist.com/...

If we want to slow down the cash Putin is using in the Ukraine we should each be
looking at how we can get over to a lower energy intensity basis, particularly with
respect to Fossil Fuels.

Me, I'm  trying to get my solar HWH/Radiators up,  then the PV and then the Plug in hybrid.

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  •  Agreed. (1+ / 0-)
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    assyrian64

    And a part of the loans for Ukraine should be reserved for the construction of renewable energy power plants.

    "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

    by Lawrence on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 05:23:19 PM PST

    •  The US has no intention of allowing loans to be (2+ / 0-)
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      Lawrence, unfangus

      used in such a fashion. The first billion will go to a new LNG re-gasification terminal. It is interesting that the Ukraine, right next to one of the greatest gas producing nations in the world and having extensive gas pipelines in every corner of the nation, should look to other sources such as shipping in LNG by tanker.

      Ukraine LNG Terminal, Ukraine

      A new LNG terminal is being built in the Ukraine on the coast of the Black Sea to re-gasify the liquefied natural gas (LNG) imported from various sources. The Ukrainian Government considers the terminal as one of the top five projects of national importance and part of the government's National Energy Strategy.

      The LNG terminal will have a total capacity of 10 billion cubic metres (bcm) of gas a year and is estimated to cost €969m ($1.3bn). The facility is expected to begin production by 2018.

      Now where in the world will this cheap LNG come from?
      US LNG Export Terminals: An Update With Map Of US LNG Facilities

      The U.S. is producing more natural gas than ever and aims to export the commodity as liquefied natural gas, or LNG. But some companies are facing an increasingly long wait for the Energy Department to finish reviewing their proposed LNG export projects.
      ...
      Thanks to hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, and the ability to drill horizontally, oil and gas production in the U.S. has skyrocketed. Fracking is a drilling technique that blasts millions of gallons of water and chemicals to fracture rock formations deep beneath the surface and release petroleum. The drilling technique has been heavily criticized, and some environmentalists contend that fracking contaminates groundwater.

      Delays in the approval process stem from the debate within the U.S. administration on how much natural gas should be exported without raising natural gas prices and reducing supplies in the U.S.

      Keep in mind that LNG is a fungible commodity. If the Ukraine takes from one source, the US can make up the difference.

      This aught to put Putin in his place.

      •  The good thing about having a LNG terminal (0+ / 0-)

        is that it allows the country to get natural gas from anywhere.

        Since Russia often uses natural gas as a cudgel, it's not a bad idea.

        Germany should have built some by now, too... it is far too dependent on Russian natural gas and thus needlessly throws money at Russian oligarchs by paying inflated natural gas prices.

        The Ukraine actually could cover ten percent of its total energy costs with biogas from agricultural waste, as well, and I am sure they will now renew efforts to expand that, as well as solar and wind.

        "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

        by Lawrence on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 02:01:20 AM PST

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  •  We could always nuke them into oblivion. (0+ / 0-)

    I mean, that worked for 40 years. /snark

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 05:32:02 PM PST

  •  No one is getting that this (6+ / 0-)

    ...is a crisis created by neo-con Victoria Nuland-Kagan the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs and neo-con elements in the national security state to drive a wedge between Putin and Obama on issues like Syria and Iran.

    And they are exploiting Cold War mythology to create hysteria about Putin's intentions.

    The bottom line for Putin is protection of the Russian access to the military base at Sevastapol.  The neo-con dream is to shut down Russian access to the south.

    The secondary consideration for Putin is protection of ethnic Russians in the Ukraine given the ethnic nationalism of the Svoboda and Right Sector parties that provided the muscle in the #EuopeanMaidan movement.  There are serious questions about the relationships that these parties (which border on being neo-nazi parties) have with US covert operations.

    This is all complicated by an honest-to-goodness movement for transparency and and end to corruption in the Ukrainian government that was brutally suppressed by the former Ukrainian regime.

    But Kerry, who voted for the AUMF to invade Iraq is being blatantly hypocritical in his statement about Putin's action in sending 6000 troops into Crimea to protect its Sevastapol base.  If there is action outside of Crimea, this might become more dicey.   If the leader of the former regime sets up a rump government in Crimea, this becomes more dicey.

    Time to pay attention to a lot of the details, putting down the poms poms, and being a little more circumspect about chanign U-S-A, U-S-A.

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 05:44:53 PM PST

    •  Sorry, but I'm not seeing any daylight (2+ / 0-)
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      truong son traveler, nextstep

      between Nuland, Kerry, and Obama.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 05:49:01 PM PST

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      •  You won't at the moment (1+ / 0-)
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        liberte

        Tomorrow when Kerry talks to the new government in Ukraine will start any process that walks this back from the neo-cons.  Kerry has to see how much latitute the Ukraine government has to begin resolving the crisis and how much the nationalist elements in the government are driving the process.

        Would like to see Menendez start investigating US involvement in Ukraine, but he's part of the problem being an AIPAC puppet.

        50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

        by TarheelDem on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 06:07:01 PM PST

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        •  Kerry is a neolib (3+ / 0-)

          and as such is no different than the neocons in terms of foreign policy. There won't be any "walking back" unless Kerry, profoundly unsuited for foreign affairs work to begin with, commits another legendary gaffe.

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 06:26:40 PM PST

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          •  Walking back will be done (2+ / 0-)
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            liberte, patbahn

            ...by Ukraine and Russia if the US wants to keep the current Ukraine regime in power and avoid disrupting Syria and Iran negotiations.

            Gaffes are sometimes useful for domestic audiences.  Kerry's last gaffe moved us away from a war.  Had he not said it, the public would not have panicked and pushed back on Congress.

            This is a distraction from making a huge historical agreement with Iran and unwinding the deteriorating situation in Syria.   Those are more important to Kerry than counting coup on Putin.  But neo-cons really want to bottle up the Soviet Union Russia from the Black Sea.  They have put so much stock in conventional geopolitical explanations about what Putin wants.

            The scary part for the US is the power of the neo-Nazi nationalists in the new Ukrainian regime.

            50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

            by TarheelDem on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 06:37:52 PM PST

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            •  more eleventh-dimensional chess. (1+ / 0-)
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              truong son traveler

              Sorry, Occam's razor cuts a bit deeper than that.

              Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

              by corvo on Sun Mar 02, 2014 at 06:38:49 PM PST

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              •  I wish it was chess... (1+ / 0-)
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                patbahn

                more like muddling through if we're lucky.  The US leadership just needs to know when to stop talking like neo-con Republicans and do a deal.  That happened with Syria after the American people stared into the abyss with Kerry's gaffe in threatening war on Syria.  The public mood has been whipped up more into a war fever this time.

                I was just saying that until Kerry talks privately with the Ukrainians, he won't know how locked into hostilities the Nuland crowd has put us.  Because Putin is not going to give up Sevastapol as a base and he will only back off from the ethnic Russian oblasts in Ukraine if there are proper minority rights guarantees.

                So Kerry's job is to find out how locked into power the neo-nazi Svoboda and Right Sector parties are.

                50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

                by TarheelDem on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 10:37:23 AM PST

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                •  well, trust me, (0+ / 0-)

                  the american public is way less enthused with a slug fest
                  with the russians then even Syria.

                  The American's know the Russians are no push over.
                  We can steamroller the arabs, but, the russians, they took on Hitler, for 5 years alone.

            •  who cares if the russians are on the Black sea? (0+ / 0-)

              1) They've been there since the time of the tsars.

              2) It's a sea, the rights are driven by coast line, not presence.

              3) It's a bathtub.  The straits of hercules are a death trap to any unwanted crossing.

              aside from it lets the Russians lean on Georgia a bit and
              trade to Turkey, who cares?

  •  aside: Country wants to be called "Ukraine", not (1+ / 0-)
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    patbahn

    "the Ukraine", I've read and was interested to know, so thought others might be.

    "The Ukraine" is a reminder to them that they were a region of the Soviet Union. (like "the South", "They Midwest", "The West Coast" etc  here. New England being the anomaly in this naming scheme)

    The country is Ukraine.

  •  Treat Putin as a petulant, yet dangerous, kid... (0+ / 0-)

    You can't over react while facing a petulant, yet dangerous, kid throwing a fit. No knee jerk reaction, otherwise he's got you by the balls.

    You have to keep your poise, remain in control, i.e. exactly the opposite of the current GOP panic. Then reduce his air supply, or in Putin's case, the ONLY source of power he has: money.

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