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A new study by the Pew Research Center provides reason for political optimism: Members of the so-called millennial generation, born after 1980, are more liberal than the preceding generations on a range of issues:
The millennials are also the only generation of adults with more people who identify themselves as liberals than as conservatives. Just less than one-third of millennials call themselves liberals while about one-quarter identify as conservative. And nearly half say they have become more liberal as they have aged, with 57% saying their views on social issues have become more liberal over time. [...]

The liberal views of the youngest adult generation show up on a range of issues. Nearly seven in 10 say they support same-sex marriage, for example, just more than half identify themselves as “supporters of gay rights” and they are twice as likely to see gay and lesbian couples raising children as a good thing for the country than as a negative, which puts them at odds with older generations. They are also far more likely to favor legalization of marijuana. Opinions on abortion and gun control, by contrast, show little generational difference.

Just more than half of millennials say they favor a “bigger government providing more services” rather than a smaller government – a polling question used for years as an index of people’s attitudes toward government’s role.

The greater racial diversity of the millennials is one reason for the generational shift. They've also come of age in an era of recession and student loan debt. Now we just need to get out the millennial vote, even in midterm years, and we'll be cooking with gas.

Originally posted to Laura Clawson on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 08:53 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  if only they'd vote /nt (24+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 08:56:55 AM PST

    •  Took the words right off my fingertips!! (10+ / 0-)

      ONLY IF THEY VOTE! No snark at all here!
      #waronwomen #lgbt #equality #dreamers #immigrations #healthcare #livingwage #incomeinequality #koch bros #citizensunited #votingrights #moralmarch #gaymarriage #wwjd #popefraancis #sexualabuse #childabuse #gunviolence

      Proud to be part of the 21st Century Democratic Majority Party of the 3M's.. Multiracial, Multigender and MiddleClass

      by LOrion on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 09:05:57 AM PST

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      •  this fits my experience (4+ / 0-)

        The ones I have met have been much more tolerant, and very interested in saving the planet.  It's the best generation I have seen since anti-vietnam war hippies. when beauty became unimportant and sharing very important.  

        But, we turned into professionals and now we drinks Peets coffee and dine at Chez Panisse. In between us and these were the sensationalist generations, who turned into don't cares, concern-liberals, brilliant iconoclasts and/or researchers and nutty conspiracy theorists.  

        The Democratic Party is cagier than ever too, with the Obama/Clinton competence alliance, and I do think that these very millennials will turn out to vote this year and save the Senate.  But only if Obama fills the courts with rational brilliant non-climate change deniers.  

        •  Chez Panisse? (0+ / 0-)

          Pick another example, please. Alice Waters was one those very hippies you extol -- and Chez Panisse was a seminal development in what's now a nationwide locavore/whole foods movement. (School gardens were her idea, too.) Beauty was important to the Panisse model -- but sharing is very much a part of it, too.

          Yeah, it's expensive. Pioneering always is; and catering to upscale diners was a way of financing a really important part of a national food revolution. So I'm not inclined to begrudge her her fancy prices.

          There are all kinds of yuppie affectations you can pick on that might better make your point. (Hummers? McMansions? When the hippies turned to yuppies, this stuff definitely happened.)

          •  I guess I'm a product of my time (1+ / 0-)
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            Born in 1961, I was on the tail end of the boom.
            Got to see hippies, didn't really go for it, but I was quite young.
            Meanwhile, the yuppie thing is something I never really got.

            Someone's worth is not their acquisitions, it is their contributions that are worthy and can live on.

          •  I knew in 1984 (0+ / 0-)

            when Roger Daltry (TheWho..."We won't be fooled again") hawked Rolexes on TV that we had indeed been fooled again.  Screw the hippies.  They are the closest thing to the 1%.  Whole Foods cares primarily about their stockholders too.

            We won't be fooled again, sang every generation.

        •  I don't know... (0+ / 0-)

          This generation is, indeed, focused on theoretically "saving the planet." Not enough to give up their cars, but...  All I've seen is middle classers waving the banner for the middle class.  When was the last time you saw young people rally for poverty relief for impoverished Americans? In a nation that shipped out a massive chunk of our working class jobs, when was the last time you heard a Bold Progressive call for simple poverty relief for those pushed out of the job market? When they "take a stand" against inequality, they mean ONLY the inequality between the middle and the rich.  

          •  Not enough to give up their cars (3+ / 0-)
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            The top selling car in California is the Prius, which is favored by younger drivers.  We don't have to give up our cars, we just need to give up fossil fuels.  Get solar and charge your car and home with local pollution-free energy.

            The poor do not need poverty relief; they need jobs. The government should guarantee a job to anyone able to work at a living wage.  The minimum wage should be raised, and tax rates at top margins should go back to the higher rates that prevailed during times of strong economic growth.

            Jobs for all!  

          •  As to giving up their cars - - (0+ / 0-)

            I live in a pretty laid-back neighborhood.  While most of the speed limits are 30 or so, most people travel around 20ish. And lots of kids in the generation we're talking about ARE eschewing their cars in favor of bikes, skateboards, alternative cars, even segways if they can afford them.  A number of these folks say they moved to this community because it's so pedestrian-friendly and easy to navigate by bike.

            And, though I'm far too old to be one of them [an old hippie who didn't sell out, aamof] I recently turned in my old Smart Car for a GEM NEV.  All electric - - top speed of 40.  It fits right in to my neighborhood.  When I need to venture out, I take the trolley or the bus.

            Who knows?  Maybe ped-borhoods are our future.  Not in California, perhaps, but still - one can hope - - - - -

            Another upside:  I know more of my neighbors than I ever did when I lived elsewhere.

            The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men - - Plato . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We must be the change we wish to see in the world - - Mohandas Gandhi

            by twocrows1023 on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 09:50:45 PM PDT

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        •  SADLY I REMEMBER THE 60's (1+ / 0-)
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          We were just as Idealistic & Progressive but look at us Boomers now. Almost all have taken the BIG RIGHT TURN somewhere in their 50's. I am one of the few diehard progressives left in the Boomers. If people would only remember their youthful ideals after years of strife & disappointments. I am really disgusted with how closed minded & provincial my generation has become. We can only hope these Millennials don't take that BIG RIGHT TURN after a few decades of bitterness & disappointments. It seems like people never learn.

          •  Agreed. (0+ / 0-)

            I'm a boomer, too,  and I despair for my generation.  

            I also get angry at the youngsters who assume we all took that hard right turn.  Maybe I shouldn't - - - but there does seem to be an awful lot of generalizing about my generation.  
            Again.  
            Just like our elders did when we were in our 20's.  It does get tiresome.

            And perhaps, hopefully, the Millennials will take a lesson from us and not go down the road so many of my generation did.  

            I will say this: the TP'ers I know are, as a body, pretty angry and miserable.  I would feel sorry for them if I didn't know they chose to make this bed and could unmake it if they wanted to let go of their rage.

            The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men - - Plato . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We must be the change we wish to see in the world - - Mohandas Gandhi

            by twocrows1023 on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 10:00:17 PM PDT

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      •  BREAKING!! Daily Kos acquired by Twitter (2+ / 0-)
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        in hostile takeover! Coherent speech outlawed!

        That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

        by enhydra lutris on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 03:41:51 PM PST

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      •  Question (0+ / 0-)

        Poverty has grown significantly as a result of NAFTA/"free trade" combined with wiping out welfare aid (which actually was the proverbial ladder out of poverty). Democrats did this, not Republicans. With the most recent budget, 89 Democrats voted to slash our meager food aid to the elderly, disabled and poor.  Again. (Bill Clinton was the first president in history to specifically target the disabled.) For whom should the poor vote? (Note:  The poor do not believe in trickle-down economics...)

    •  whatchu talkin' about. we vote. (6+ / 0-)

      Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility. uid 52583 lol

      by terrypinder on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 09:12:13 AM PST

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      •  Some, but statistically..... (9+ / 0-)

        The AARP crowd votes at 2 or 3 times the rate.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 09:47:13 AM PST

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        •  reason being (8+ / 0-)

          they've been in their homes for eons, and they vote local issues.  So, they've been registered forever, and they have a local stake in the outcome.

          That just means we need to find the same issues for the terrypinder crowd.  They are there - climate, research, education, reproductive freedom.

          What do you think, Terrypinder?

          •  i tend to vote on local issues (7+ / 0-)

            national issues i either don't care about, they don't effect me, or they are an issue so big they won't ever be solved (climate, for example). so a candidate going on and on about climate change is important but ultimately i'm going to look for things like what their stances are on poverty, and stuff like that.

            oh and ones god: the less I know about your personal god the better. the Democrat who just announced for my congressional district is likely going to let me know at every turn about his god because he's a pastor. i won't vote against him, but it's very much not a vote for him but one against the odious Republican sitting in the seat.

            Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility. uid 52583 lol

            by terrypinder on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 11:15:07 AM PST

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            •  the local issues are like (2+ / 0-)
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              mayor?  What is it about a mayor race that grabs you?  Or school boards, do they bring you out?  

              I expect it would not be hard for the team that got ACA working after the botched roll out to program all the local races and what they mean to the under thirties.

              Do you suppose that there would be volunteers who have the main concern of the environment, but want to work on voter turn out, who would 'map' the local issues near their own homes?  

              •  i've missed exactly 5 elections in the last 15 (5+ / 0-)

                years of being eligible to vote. it's a civic duty. now if only i could get my county to call me for jury duty!

                Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility. uid 52583 lol

                by terrypinder on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 11:25:41 AM PST

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                •  let's say not you (3+ / 0-)
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                  but some others who don't yet see their civic duty?  What are the local issues that matter to younger people who don't own their own homes and/or won't be staying in a particular geographic such that it could matter what the community invests in, or whether property values go up or down in that community?  

                  That's all that brings out the parents and the retired, who aren't going anywhere anymore and so who care who is mayor and who gets on the school board.

                  •  I'd be a bit concerned if young people (7+ / 0-)

                    are choosing not to look at local issues. The oldest millenials are turning 34 this year and a not insignificant number of them have children in elementary, middle, and high school.

                    Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility. uid 52583 lol

                    by terrypinder on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 11:51:05 AM PST

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                    •  if they bought homes (3+ / 0-)
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                      and their kids attend public schools.  The fact is turnout is a lot lower than with older folks, so you can bet that they aren't looking at the local issues, or they would not miss an election.

                      but given that, which ones would they look at if they were better targeted, I mean better informed?

                      •  everyone really should care about: (6+ / 0-)

                        who their local mayor is and who's on the school board.

                        Those people effect your life way more than Congress or the Executive Branch whether you rent or not. I personally am not sure why people choose to ignore the down-ticket races.

                        Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility. uid 52583 lol

                        by terrypinder on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 12:41:05 PM PST

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                        •  should schmud (3+ / 0-)

                          should will get us no where, no one is shamed into voting, it's too bothersome.  There must be issues we are missing that would motivate non-presidential-year younger voters.

                          •  if school boards electing loons don't motivate (0+ / 0-)

                            them nothing will.

                            I vote in almost every election. If they don't, well, that's on them.

                            Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility. uid 52583 lol

                            by terrypinder on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 06:31:45 PM PST

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                          •  Ah ha! (0+ / 0-)

                            You're just the sort of person to whom I've wanted to ask this question: For whom should the poor vote when NO candidate or party represents them?  That's a pretty big chunk of the voting population today. Since Clinton, Democrats have been much worse for the poor (working, or worse off) than Republicans.

                          •  mmmmmmmmm - - - (0+ / 0-)

                            Have you been paying attention to Congress lately?  How about states with Republican governors?  Or cities with Republican mayors?

                            Jfwiw - - when the Democrats took over a town in Florida after the Reps had held sway for some years, they rescinded the law that made it illegal to sleep in shop doorways and parks.  And now they're working to actually - you know - REDUCE homelessness.  One way they're approaching it is by working to get vets off the streets.  You know - those vets the Republicans love to wax eloquent about while blocking a vote for a bill that could help them.  THOSE vets.
                            And they're working with schools to target homeless children [and their parents.]

                            What's Ryan doing?  Oh, right, lying about those children and their parents to score points at CPAC.  I remember now.
                            And what is Michigan's [Republican] governor doing?  Targeting primarily black cities and appointing dictators who then remove the duly elected city councils and mayors.
                            Yeah, those Republicans do love them some poor people.

                            The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men - - Plato . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We must be the change we wish to see in the world - - Mohandas Gandhi

                            by twocrows1023 on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 10:19:57 PM PDT

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                        •  How? (0+ / 0-)

                          For most of us, I think, decisions made at the local level have little or no impact on our lives. It's the decisions made at the state and federal levels that determine our economic situation, and can therefore have a profound impact on our lives.

                      •  Heh, they can't afford new cars (1+ / 0-)
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                        Thanks to low wagws, high debt and high unemployment, these kids have a hard time buying homes.

                        In our area, they're moving into cheap housing in the inner cities, rebuilding neighborhoods.  They're very involved at the local level. They just don't trust politicians, can't blame them.  Watch a lot of them begin running for office soon.

                        Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

                        by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:27:18 PM PST

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                        •  but we want them to vote (1+ / 0-)
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                          and we need them to vote.  

                          You think it's a trust issue? What would make them want to vote even without trust?  What issue transcends trust.

                          I am thinking women's health, that's a concern to all young adults, unwanted pregnancy and rights to control one's body.  When i was in my twenties it was a big deal.  Roe vs. Wade was when I was 26, and it was a very big deal.  

                          Anything comparable for men?   Like things that help upgrade skills for college grads, would that be interesting?  Maybe local jobs programs for different stages in careers?  

                          •  They do vote (0+ / 0-)

                            They're just not enamored with Democrats.  Obama blew it. We have to earn their trust again and I see no sign of that happening. Our leaders seem to be doubling down on the stupid.

                            Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

                            by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 04:42:19 PM PST

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                          •  fact is that they don't (0+ / 0-)

                            obama was reelected but he isn't running again.  Trust isn't the issue, issues are the issue.  oh, well ...  maybe it's not worth the bother.  

                          •  I believe it was up when Obama was reelected (2+ / 0-)
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                            As well in 2008. This is not a new phenomenon where we've been losing ground with younger Democratic voters. They've never been a large part of the mix, not at least in a generation or so. If anything, from what I've seen, in 2008 and 2012 there's been an uptick because of Obama.

                            I think the Democratic party has been poor on driving up their numbers not long since lowering the voting age a long time ago. I hope that starts changing this year.

                          •  it must (1+ / 0-)
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                            and I think it's doable.  

                          •  You think? (0+ / 0-)

                            No, middle class Dems have simply been weirdly oblivious to the real class war. Age and race have actually been irrelevant. It was the Clinton Dems who gave us NAFTA, the leading cause of the loss of our manufacturing jobs. Dems wiped out the Great Society as a necessary step toward ending the New Deal (note: What came to be called AFDC was actually first written into FDR's Social Security Act of 1932.  Clinton still had time to begin targeting the disabled -- we pay into Social Security retirement and disability.) Dems successfully pitted the middle class (incomes roughly in $50k range) against the poor, alienating a huge portion of their base. Something libs either didn't get or wouldn't admit: Clinton/Gore targeted the poor, giving us 8 years of Bush. The poor didn't vote for Bush; the middle class elected Bush. The poor overwhelmingly voted for Obama on the slight chance that he would be able to launch a legitimate discussion about US poverty. That wasn't possible.  With the most recent budget, 89 Dems voted to slash food aid to the elderly, disabled and poor.  Again. .Hpw do you think the poor will vote in the next election?

                          •  They usually don't. But they could be motivated (0+ / 0-)

                            If the Dems go out if their way to get them to the polls. And ignoring the opinions of younger voters, so many if them sympathetic with the Occupy movement which dropped 2012's winning platform in their laps, would be so stupid and shortsighted. Because it's all about money greasing pol' hands. It's time they move away from that model of campaigning and move leftwards and redefine what liberalism is to America.

                          •  Yes... (0+ / 0-)
                            Obama blew it.
                            Major understatement.  He massively blew it, and he's never going to get back the mandate/magic he once had.  
                          •  Obama "blew" what? (0+ / 0-)

                            This president has submitted some of the most progressive policies we're seen in over 30 years.  Time after time, the (Clinton) Dems in Congress voted against the president's proposals. From the start, Obama repeatedly told us that there was little he could accomplish alone -- if we want something, we would have to get to our feet and make Congress listen. We almost did that, too, with Occupy. Unfortunately, before we even had time to catch our breath, Dems/lib media raced in to redefine Occupy as a "movement of middle class workers" alone. The rest of us - the former middle class/poor - walked away, and that was the end of any movement. Of course, the middle class has had the means and money to organize and present their demands to Congress at any time. When they choose to do nothing, nothing is all they'll get.

                          •  No (0+ / 0-)

                            Govt focuses on increasing education and jobs skills training for men in poverty, even as they ended these opportunities for women in poverty.

                        •  How (0+ / 0-)

                          How do they get the money to purchase property, renovate buildings and pay high property taxes when they are young (therefore lower-paid) workers?

                  •  How do you know what brings... (2+ / 0-)
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                    us baby-boomers out to vote? I vote in every election for all positions whether national or local. It's about building a base of more liberal office holders and voters. A lot of the time it's on the more local level that national programs are deployed. And it's often the local office holders who choose to move up after garnering some experience.

                    •  but we older ones do vote (2+ / 0-)
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                      and in my neighborhood, they vote in non-presidential elections on very local issues, like being friends with someone who is running for some Board.  Homeowners more, because they're already registered and know where to vote, and they have economic reasons, like voting up or down on a spending measure. That's what brings people out, yes or no for a school bond.  

                      And you're political, we don't need to motivate you.  

                      We need to motivate renters who are struggling to pay bills and save for a house or a vacation.  What would make them turn out after a long days work and before dinner?  

                      Should we set up stations not too near the polling places and give free coffee and tea?  Maybe folding chairs?  They'd be inside challenging votes and we'd be outside not saying who to vote for but making people more comfortable and letting them know they're appreciated?  

                      this coming up one is very important.

                •  Jeepers! (2+ / 0-)
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                  I think I've missed 5 elections since I turned 21, and I'm 66 now.

              •  elections (0+ / 0-)

                One gets involved in local races if there are local issues of particular concern to her/him. That covers a very limited range of issues simply because all of the major issues are decided at the state or federal level, not locally.

            •  I vote only on state and national issues (0+ / 0-)

              I'm white, retired and very liberal.  I live in "redder than red" Oklahoma and am getting the hell out as soon as my wife retires, so I don't care about local issues.

            •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

              With all due respect, I don't understand your post. How do you define "national issues"? Our leading national issue today (esp. since it threatens the collapse of the US itself) is unrelieved, growing poverty.  You don't care about national issues, but do care about poverty? Climate change is a global issue, not national, though it requires every nation to get involved. Incidentally, you might (or might not) be surprised about the pastor. When it comes to poverty (socioeconomic issues), the Church in whole is more progressive than Dems and liberals today.

          •  They've been badly burned by Obama (5+ / 0-)

            He sold them a bill of goods in 2008, with no intention to deliver on his promises. They're very skeptical now. No clever messaging campaign is going to fool them any longer.

            Fix the economy, create some jobs. That's what millenials are interested in. If you can't or don't want to do that, don't waste your time.

            Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

            by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:21:31 PM PST

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            •  Unless big wigs are brought to account (1+ / 0-)
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              ...the millenials, like the rest of us, will believe the deck to be stacked. We've all seen the first black president be a bigger friend of Wall Street than any of the Bushes or even Reagan. The same president has expanded the Patriot Act, signed the NDAA and murdered thousands with drones on sovereign nations. Under him, the banks are BIGGER than before. The rich are much richer than before.

              Obama has taught an entire new generation their vote seems NOT to matter.

              Yeah Obama! Go Hillary, right?

              That'll bring in the young people.

              I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. - Susan B. Anthony

              by pajoly on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:36:51 PM PST

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              •  Older Democrats make younger Democrats (0+ / 0-)

                not want to vote more than Obama.

                http://callatimeout.blogspot.com/

                by DAISHI on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 04:54:48 PM PST

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                •  Come now, daishi, (0+ / 0-)

                  What did you expect? Really, now, what did you expect? He never had a house or senate that had enough votes to pass all that he wanted. Even some "Blue Dog" Democrats seemed to be against him, add those bozos to the Republicans and then, the bats#%t crazy Tea Baggers, the man has had an uphill fight for his entire presidency. Even GWB wasn't faced with the hatred that our president faces. Now, just why do you think this is? Think, now, put on that "thinking cap." Could it just be the Republicans and Tea Bag crowd, are against any of his policies, some of which were THEIR policies to begin with, because he was a Democrat? They never let up on Clinton. So add to that, the fact that he was not just any Democrat, but a biracial Democrat, the man did not have a snowball's chance in Hell of getting anything through that crowd. As I look at polls, this congress is polling at about 8-9% popularity.
                  As for the B. D. Dems, " that is completely a race issue.
                  I am sorry that the president did not become angrier at both the senate and the house. However, talk to your black friends, there is much more criticism of an "angry black man," than an angry white man. Think about it.
                  I am saddened that our country has not moved past racial hatred.

            •  He sold us all a bill of goods. nt (1+ / 0-)
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            •  It's not that... (3+ / 0-)
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              Lilyoolily, VPofKarma, Silina

              we felt burned by Obama, but rather burned by Washington in general. I think Obama felt he would've had a lot more time to enact more of his policies when he was elected in '08. Very few people could've predicted the massive rightward shift in Congress in 2010 (sure, there is normally a shift to the other side in the year following a Presidential election, but '10 had both a massive drop off in young voters AND a massive surge in older voters).

              Since then, we've endured government shutdowns, debt ceiling default threats, and just overall stupidity coming out of Washington. So yes, we were very disappointed by a few decisions that Obama made, but even more than that we've been disillusioned by the idiots running around the halls of Congress.

              That being said, I don't think there will be a massive drop off in the millennial vote this election, and if Hillary runs in 2016, expect another big surge of young voters (and women) similar to '08 as we try to elect the first female President.

              As our generation gets older, we realize more and more the importance of voting and making our voices heard. Reducing student loan debt, slowing climate change, and just having a government that is more active in helping average Americans are all things that we care about. Those issues plus legalizing marijuana, legalizing gay marriage, and raising the minimum wage will get us to the polls, and for the most part we millennials know which party supports and opposes those issues.

          •   reason being (0+ / 0-)

            I am a member of the AARP crowd. But here in my area The majority of the AARP crowd vote against their selves in every election. It is hard to believe because when you talk to them , it seems they feel the same way I do, except for maybe two things. Most seem to be against gay marriage , and not allowing school prayer , and things of that nature.
            None of these things actually affect them , but they vote for candidates who use these points to gain votes. Too many of them only watch Fox News and don't ever listen to other points of view. It is hard to understand. Around here , it doesn't seem too many young people are very involved in what goes on. The ones who are lucky enough to have jobs spend all their time working or commuting, to have much time for other things.

          •  Please learn (0+ / 0-)

            Things have changed over the last 30+ years.  Catch up. It's always foolish to try to come across as an expert merely by reciting worn-out cliches. Poverty among older people, especially women, has been growing for years. A huge chunk of our former working class saw their retirement/pensions disappear since the 1980s. Home ownership has been on a downhill slide for years. Few younger people seem to realize that the blip of "prosperity" in Reagan's "Go-Go '80s" was seen by only a fraction of the population.  Under Reagan, family farms fell like dominoes, a massive number of manufacturing jobs were shipped out, and hunger and homelessness became common.

        •  I was an election inspector in 2010 (3+ / 0-)
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          There were more voters over 80 than there were under 30.

          OFA was very good at getting out young voters in 2012. I hope that they'll help in 2014.

          Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað

          by milkbone on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:11:09 PM PST

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          •  OFA isn't working on midterms (1+ / 0-)
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            They're a nonpartisan 501 c 4 these days, rolling in corporate  cash. They're gearing up for their big payday in 2016.

            OFA is no longer part of the Dem Party.

            The DNC and local party organizations will return to managing grassroots and GOTV. They actually do a better job and have more experience than people who are strangers to the area.

            Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

            by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:35:08 PM PST

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        •  Yeah, you oughtta be a member (0+ / 0-)

          Of that generation and try living in AZ. I will never go back where old geezers who live in huge houses on golf courses that devour water ask for 15% discounts everywhere....

          Life ain't like a box of chocolates. You pretty much do know what you're gonna get.

          by Nodin on Sat Mar 08, 2014 at 01:05:16 PM PST

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        •  In that age group (0+ / 0-)

          The problem is that it is Democrats who wiped out the Great Society as a necessary first step toward ending the New Deal. What came to be called AFDC, in fact, was included in FDR's Social Security Act of 1932. It was Bill Clinton who took the first swing-of-the-ax to Social Security itself, targeting the disabled (we pay into Social Security retirement AND disability). With the latest budget, 89 Democrats voted to slash food aid to the elderly, disabled and poor. How do you expect this group to vote in the next election?

      •  I'm 61 and, I, for one, salute our new (6+ / 0-)

        Millennial masters.  Hola!

        The fruits of the toil of millions are boldly stolen to build up colossal fortunes for a few, unprecedented in the history of mankind; and the possessors of those, in turn, despise the republic and endanger liberty. - Omaha Platform, 1892

        by Rikon Snow on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:37:36 PM PST

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      •  Rand Stated That Her Theories Were Unworkable (0+ / 0-)

        Ayn Rand wrote fiction mixed with economic baloney.  She herself said that her system, like capitalism, would lead to a tremendous gap between rich and poor.  She warned against anyone trying to adopt her theories.  Ryan and his friends are incompetent and intellectual frauds.

    •  Give them a reason. And "better than those other (9+ / 0-)

      guys" isn't going to cut it.

      The Democrats have to move to the LEFT to capture their votes, not continually move to the space vacated by the Republicans.

      Obama: self-described Republican; backed up by right-wing policies

      by The Dead Man on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 10:46:56 AM PST

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      •  It would be nice if that were the case, but it's (2+ / 0-)
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        not.

        The people who don't vote are overwhelmingly just not engaged enough with the issues to care about voting.

        •  Insult them at your peril. (5+ / 0-)

          They're very engaged, very connected, just not easily fooled. They're not political lemmings.

          Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

          by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:37:38 PM PST

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          •  There are lots of millenials where I work (0+ / 0-)

            Most of them are white, from middle-to-upper-class families. Most have college degrees.

            The white males watch FOX or ESPN and the white females watch A&E or the Food Network.  When given links to news sources like Salon.com or HuffPo, they react like somebody tossed a slug at them.

            Aside from the two LGBTs (who almost by definition are politically aware and engaged, and for much the same reasons that every single black female at my workplace is aware and engaged), not one of them could name their US representatives, much less their state representatives or state senators.  

            Visit http://theuptake.org/ for Minnesota news as it happens.

            by Phoenix Woman on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 06:03:18 PM PST

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        •  Oh, yeah, that's it. (0+ / 0-)

          Frikkin kids and their Xboxes, won't matter if the Dems actually move left cause they're so damn lazy.

          Carry on with your stereotypes.

      •  Millennials are libs but not Dems. (17+ / 0-)

        This post is missing an important fact brought out byFDL's Walker:

        Most telling is that according to Pew Research they are the only generation where self-identified liberals (31 percent) outnumber conservatives (26 percent). By comparison, in every other generation conservatives have a double digit advantage. Roughly twice as many Baby Boomers call themselves conservative as liberal.

        This liberalism, though, is not translating into an alignment with the Democratic party. In recent years Millennials have been moving away from identifying with either major party. Now, 50 percent of Millennials call themselves independents, dramatically higher than any other generation.

        Why do you suppose that is?  Because the D party isn't liberal?  Because the D party is screwing millennials on economic issues from student loans to Obamacare to jobs programs?

        Playing identity politics ain't gonna cut it.  The D party is facing an existential challenge just like the Rs.  Kiss your plutocratic owners' asses and lose votes or stand up for workers and offend your bosses.

      •  HOORAY, you hit the nail (0+ / 0-)

        on the head!!!!!!!!!!!!!  We Democrats must put up really progressive candidates for the senate, house and presidency. We must be different because the TeaPubs are so far to the right that we will be back to the 1850s if we let them take us there.
        I read where someone said:
        R=Reverse
        D=Drive

    •  Link? (0+ / 0-)

      They vote, but they're independent, skeptical of Dems. Can't blame them.

      Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

      by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:14:12 PM PST

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    •  At some point they will (0+ / 0-)

      and increasingly so.

    •  If only dems would focus (0+ / 0-)

      on giving them a reason to vote.

      But even then - young people don't vote.  Not enough, anyways.  Never have, probably never will.

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:27:38 PM PST

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    •  Then, there are the current upcomign crop (0+ / 0-)

      Such as my niece, who went on a two day profanity laced tirade when Obama won the presidency for his second term.

    •   if only they'd vote (0+ / 0-)

      They are our salvation. Social Security and Medicare are also their salvation.  When they get old. They may need it as much as we do.

  •  the most interesting stat: (9+ / 0-)

    the liberal vs conservative statistic.

    Think about it. Right now, the overwhelming majority identifies as "conservative" or "moderate". Usually liberals take about 20% and conservatives take about 35%. Those are now reversed in my generation.

    At the risk of sounding insensitive, the geezers are the root of all the problems in American politics.

    TX-17 (Bill Flores-R), TX Sen-14 (Kirk Watson-D), TX HD-50 (Celia Israel-D)

    by Le Champignon on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 09:07:57 AM PST

  •  I can see it in my own kids. (13+ / 0-)

    I'm a 1967 Genx'er with three Millennial children.    I realize they and their friends are just data points and do not a trend make....  but they are feeling majorly shortchanged on the American dream.  

    They are tired of people in previous generations giving them advice and lectures based on paradigms that don't exist anymore, or at least don't apply to their reality.   I admit I've been guilty of that on numerous occasions... I was slower to recognize the shift than they were.

    What I have picked up on from them that might be reflected in the PEW polling...

    -- They are resentful that the pathway to middle class has become so narrow (tech, finance, or highly educated specialties such as doctor, scientist, etc) .  If your interests lie outside of that range you are basically opting out of middle class from the start.

    -- They sense that previous generations picked the bird clean of all the good stuff and left them the carcass.

    -- They believe we are all grist in the Corporate Machine.

    -- They reject traditions born out of an American ideal they no longer have access to.

    But I can't say they think of government as "good"... at their most hopeful I'd say they think it can create a balance of power between their interests and corporate interests.   My son rejects government altogether as corrupt and purchased.   He is 16 going on 60.  :-)

    I'm not sayin'... I'm just sayin'.

    by AriesMoon on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 09:51:20 AM PST

    •  GREAT POINT that I've never even thought of (2+ / 0-)
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      Please expand that "narrow path" concept into a diary. It is an excellent point. In the time of my parents youth, being a teacher could get you into the middle class, even a job foreman or letter carrier, or manager of the local shoe store. Now, not so much.

      I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. - Susan B. Anthony

      by pajoly on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:44:01 PM PST

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  •  Less encouraging (9+ / 0-)

    is this tidbit:

    White and non-white Millennials have different views on the role of government as well. On balance, white Millennials say they would prefer a smaller government that provides fewer services (52%), rather than a bigger government that provides more services (39%). Non-white Millennials lean heavily toward a bigger government: 71% say they would prefer a bigger government that provides more services, while only 21% say they would prefer a smaller government. The racial gaps are about as wide among Gen Xers and Boomers.
    In other words, regarding the role of government, even among millenials there continues to be a yawning gap between whites and non-whites.  This disparity is troubling given that one of the core premises of modern liberalism is the idea that government should take a greater role in addressing our problems.

    On the one hand, it's great news since non-whites, who are overwhelmingly in favor of "a bigger government that provides more servies" make up 43% of Millenials.  But on the other hand, it means possibly continued resistance among most whites to liberal policy initiatives, which almost always include activist government.

    "Those who have wrought great changes in the world never succeeded by gaining over chiefs; but always by exciting the multitude." - Martin Van Buren

    by puakev on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 10:06:08 AM PST

    •  Are "services" defined? (1+ / 0-)
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      A smaller government with fewer services for corporations (spying, war) would be a good thing.

      Obama: self-described Republican; backed up by right-wing policies

      by The Dead Man on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 10:51:08 AM PST

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      •  I'm pretty sure nonwhites (5+ / 0-)

        do not overwhelmingly favor more war and spying, and I'm also assuming people are smart enough to understand the question as most people would understand it, namely that government services means aid to people whether it's health care or food stamps or education or infrastructure.  When most people think of government services, they do not think of war and spying.

        But if clarification is what you want, the poll shows that:

        most white Millennials (54%) say it is not the federal government’s responsibility to provide health insurance for all; 68% of non-white Millennials say this is the government’s responsibility
        Which corresponds almost precisely with the numbers on bigger government providing more services versus smaller government providing fewer services (71%,of nonwhite millenials preferred the former, 52% of white millenials preferred the latter).  So in other words, no, white millenials' opposition to a bigger government providing more services is not referring only to war and spying.  It clearly is about things like providing health care to all people.  

        "Those who have wrought great changes in the world never succeeded by gaining over chiefs; but always by exciting the multitude." - Martin Van Buren

        by puakev on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 11:15:46 AM PST

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    •  i believe this (4+ / 0-)

      also, non-white millenials were likely raised by parents who marched in the civil rights movement. I'd be curious to see what the voting patterns between the two groups are.

      Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility. uid 52583 lol

      by terrypinder on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 12:18:39 PM PST

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    •  Whites seem broadly more hostile to Dems (3+ / 0-)

      Across all age groups and income they have seem to have become ever more hostile to Dems every passing year it definitely is concerning. Maybe it's just that a disproportionate amount of young whites are from the South but I feel like we should definitely not abandon this group because they are more likely to vote than non white millennials.

    •  Missing is what I want (3+ / 0-)
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      I speak as one of the oldest Millennials (one month early for the 1980 cut-off but I sure don't feel like a Gen-Xer):

      Why can't we have a government that is the same size it is currently, but provides more services in a smarter way?  Work smarter, not harder.

      The Cake is a lie. In Pie there is Truth. ~ Fordmandalay

      by catwho on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:10:33 PM PST

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    •  I would tend to suspect that white liberals (2+ / 0-)
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      of the last generation have many fewer kids than white conservatives of the same generation -- kind of a consequence of feminism, increased use of birth control, etc.

    •  It's still a vast improvement over older whites (2+ / 0-)
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      If you dig deeper into the poll, you'll see that white Gen Xers favor a smaller government 67-27, and white Baby Boomers favor a smaller government 70-23.  Non-white Gen Xers have the same 71% view of greater government as the Millennials.  So we're greatly closing the gap.  

      We saw the kind of victory Obama achieved in 2012 with just 40% of the white vote.  IMO, this poll is very good news for the future of liberals and Democrats, even on this question.

      •  Bad question, phrased poorly (0+ / 0-)

        The only choices were smaller government or larger government. The issue is much more nuanced.

        That said Obama's OFA crew willkeep focusing on young, immigrant voters. They tend to be low information voters easily swayed by vague messaging.

        Thing is, Obama's not up for re election. His crew needs to be detached from the Dem Party. We need to abandon the strategy of lying to voters.

        Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

        by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 03:10:38 PM PST

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        •  Wow (1+ / 0-)
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          so according to you, young nonwhites and immigrants are dumb.  That speaks volumes about you and your views.  

          "Those who have wrought great changes in the world never succeeded by gaining over chiefs; but always by exciting the multitude." - Martin Van Buren

          by puakev on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 03:39:45 PM PST

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          •  Not at all, you know that (0+ / 0-)

            Recent immigrants are more, likely to have some language barriers, particularly when it comes to reading or watching political news and analysis. Those who are lower income don't  have the time needed to spend researching candidates and issues.  They tend to vote the way other people  in their community tell them to vote.  The latter is also a common trait among young, single women voters, especially those with children. That was another demographic exploited by Obama in 2008. Too busy to research issues and candidates, feeling slightly intimidated by government and politicians.

            I can't recall another Dem leader in recent history who cynically exploited people this way.

            Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

            by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 04:32:35 PM PST

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    •  It's why the Southern Strategy works so well (1+ / 0-)
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      And not just in the South, either.

      Visit http://theuptake.org/ for Minnesota news as it happens.

      by Phoenix Woman on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 06:11:05 PM PST

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  •  Show me! (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm a younger Boomer dissappointed with the Boom's and GenX's turns to the right.

    "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

    by Stude Dude on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 10:25:11 AM PST

  •  Meanwhile, back in the present (2+ / 0-)
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    . . . Democrats & progressives are bracing for another drubbing in the next election. Even with a Democratic president in office, the center has continued to move right, & the Randians are slowly winning the fight over the role of government in our country. All the progressive goals we had hoped to achieve under a Democratic president have been stymied. Reactionary Republicans have a lock on the House until at least 2020, & they're favored to take the Senate. If we think things are bad now, we'd better brace ourselves, for things are about to get a lot worse.

    We can content ourselves to dream about a better tomorrow, & console ourselves with the expectation that long-term demographic trends are on our side. But meanwhile the conservative movement is busy consolidating power for a generation.

    •  It is no surprise why this happened (1+ / 0-)
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      Had Obama's DoJ indicted big names for their destruction and collusion in the financial debacle, had he shown independence from America, Inc. (really Global, Inc. -- there are no national loyalties among companies), then the picture would be very different.

      Obama's greatest lesson to the young is that no matter who they vote for -- even the community organizing black guy -- the rich will get richer and no one dares touch the powerful. And like Clinton before him, he'll be touring the world making $250k a pop for public appearances.

      Obama has set the Democratic Party back a generation.

      I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. - Susan B. Anthony

      by pajoly on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:50:07 PM PST

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      •  Crazy Idea (0+ / 0-)

        If millennials don’t see the Democratic Party as their own, then maybe as the traditional Republican base slowly fades away to nothing the millennials will remake the GOP into the socially libertarian / economically liberal party. Just imagine someday in the future when we'll look back at former Democratic Presidents like Barack Obama and Bill Clinton and think of them as conservatives.

        "For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream shall never die." --Senator Ted Kennedy

        by Blue Silent Majority on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 04:48:56 PM PST

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  •  E-vote is the key, and from a mobile platform. (2+ / 0-)
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    If we want to increase engagement in the voters of the future, it has to go that way.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:06:09 PM PST

  •  This is my favorite meme of all time (2+ / 0-)
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    The Future?
    It's #progressive
    I'm so loving living to see the schism and collapse of the right wing crazy Party. Our posterity will look back on The Left of this era as true patriots, beating back the rwnj hordes and, quite literally, saving the Republic.

    I'm not kidding.


    "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization"

    by Angie in WA State on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:14:36 PM PST

  •  Nice paraphrasing by the guy in the pic (2+ / 0-)
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    Just another way to say that evil will triumph if good men (meaning people, I didn't create this or any other language) do nothing.

    Millennials are exactly the result of what the haters feared: open the door a crack and the floodgates open. If a black or brown or gay person is your friend, sooner or later you won't hate them for who they were born as. TV has helped a lot on this front, but racial integration and LGBTs who are out have helped more. It's a snowball - once the chicken or egg question was moot (there being both chickens and eggs) - fear would lose. And it has.

    I ride the wild horse .

    by BelgianBastard on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:18:37 PM PST

  •  I'm optimistic about social issues but (2+ / 0-)
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    all people who are shaped so much by their technological gadgets, regardless of generation (though younger people in particular), are more easily brainwashed by the pro-corporate, pro-rich economic system we live in (just barely live in, many of us).  Social media is the corporatization of human interaction-- perhaps even of thought itself.  We all rely on The Man who made The Computer.  And He takes our jobs away as soon as he can.  He'll give jobs to LGBT people, people who smoke pot, people of any race-- if they can make Him richer.  If not, you're dead.  Not that that was so different in the past.  But I sort of miss the hippies' mentality.  Even liberals today are all about Facebook, Twitter, Apple and all that shit.  A nation of phonies.

  •  As I say everything someone points out (0+ / 0-)

    these obvious demographic trends...pray they vote. I don't see them any more inclined to participate than the generation before them.

    I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. - Susan B. Anthony

    by pajoly on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:28:03 PM PST

  •  I raised all three of (1+ / 0-)
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    my liberal millennial children right.  :)

  •  the base of modern conservatism (2+ / 0-)
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    I was a teacher in a typical American suburb throughout my 34 year career. I watched my students be indoctrinated by their religious institutions, most specifically the Roman Catholic Church, the Mormon Church, and two local evangelical Christian churches. As a practicing Catholic at that critical juncture in the 80's, my teaching of rational thought and research was tolerated, if at times questioned, for orthodoxy. After all, an anointed Catholic Deacon couldn't be entirely in Satan's pay, could he? I challenged my students only to challenge with research their fundamental ethical, economic and political assumptions. It is not surprising that while they defended me to their overlords at the time, it took substantially longer for the method to gain root. Where once my students assured me "Rush is Right" and quoted his polemics, only a few years later the real process began to unveil how utterly wrong Reagan, trickledown economics, David Stockman, and Rush actually were. And none of that even begins to address race issues, since my district was 99% white early in my career, and substantially changed for northern Oregon to about 95% white by the time I retired in 2004. But, the ground work was clearly laid if millennials are now asking the right questions, ones I and colleagues like myself, committed to actual education rather than test scores, encouraged as standard practice. No wonder conservatives demand educational accountability by test score, rather than by something more meaningful like research skill.

  •  Oh hell yes, & damn skippy thanks this Laura C. (1+ / 0-)
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    Punxsutawney Phil has been unfriended.

    by jwinIL14 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 02:32:56 PM PST

  •  Is it wrong that I'm smiling? (3+ / 0-)
  •  My pet peeve is surveys (1+ / 0-)
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    (even though I greatly respect Pew) that use 'liberal' instead of 'progressive.' Conservatives have made 'liberal' a four-letter word in political discourse (at least their own), and this goes back a few decades.

    I don't want to get into a discussion of the difference between liberal and progressive - I'm just pointing out that had they used the latter term, I think more Millennials surveyed would have self-identified as such.

    What do we want? Evidence-based change! When do we want it? After peer review!

    by puckmtl on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 03:22:22 PM PST

  •  Did they ask about libertarian? (0+ / 0-)

    It seems many of the millenial crowd trend libertarian rather than liberal.  Taking whatever intoxicants you want or marrying who you like is more of a libertarian concept...or at least their approach seems libertarian: "the government shouldn't get involved" rather than "these are my rights that the government should protect equally."

    I'm also curious about the upcoming divide between millenials and the younger digital generation...which I define as those born after about 1995 who have known nothing but an internet-connected world.  For example, it seems the digital generation is rather nonplussed about personal privacy, perhaps because they've always been in a sort of communal digital world where just about anything is freely shared online.

  •  Looking at the questions asked (1+ / 0-)
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    I find that Pew unaccountably presented abortion and gun control in a negative light, and in addition greatly underplayed the differences it found.

    "Legal in all or most cases" is the framing used by Right wing opponents of abortion. The real question is whether it should be between a woman and her doctor, and whether states should be able to introduce all sorts of non-medical, even anti-medical, and basically religiously-motivated obstacles, invasions on Free Speech, and so on.

    A majority of Millennials say that abortion should be legal in all or most cases, but so do comparable percentages of Gen Xers and Boomers, while the Silent generation is less supportive of legal abortion.

    In recent years, half or more Millennials, Gen Xers and Boomers have supported legalizing abortion in all or most cases while Silents have been less supportive. Currently, 59% of Gen Xers, 56% of Millennials and 52% of Boomers believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases. In contrast, just 42% of Silents say abortion should be legal under most circumstances.

    17% is not a small difference. The fact that Millennials are 3% less in favor in this survey than Gen Xers is potentially important, but only if it can be confirmed, because it is within the margin of error.
    Millennials, like older cohorts, are divided over whether it is more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns or more important to control gun ownership. About half of Silents (51%), Millennials (49%) and Gen Xers (48%) and slightly fewer Boomers (44%) say that controlling gun ownership is more important than controlling gun rights.
    Again, control is the Right wing framing. It should be gun safety. Also, I don't even know what the difference between controlling ownership and controlling rights is supposed to be.

    There are many other questions where people are asked their opinions about a label with no definition, such as "environmentalist". Does that mean "concerned for clean water and air", or does it perhaps mean "Global Warming alarmist" or even "hoaxer" to a particular respondent? From the question asked, we have no insight into the interpretation given by respondents.

    The worst case is the consistent failure among almost all pollsters to distinguish between opposition to the ACA as "Socialism" or for not being "Socialist" enough, that is, not being single-payer or offering a public option.

    The competing framings around words used in such questions have a well-known influence on the numbers who agree or disagree with a proposition. The clearest case is that many who say they oppose Obamacare approve of everything in it, such as no exclusions for pre-existing conditions. They will tell you that enrolling people in Blue Cross/Blue Shield on the exchanges is government health care and Socialism, unlike, say, their Medicare that they paid for all those years.

    Even with all of these methodological errors, Pew does the best work along this line of anybody. I use their work constantly, while wishing it could be even better.

    Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

    by Mokurai on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 09:49:18 PM PST

  •  Wait til next year redux... (0+ / 0-)

    Why is it always the next generation that will save us?  As the title suggests liberals are always waiting for superman, or the messiah or savior to come.  We have to start now with what we have rather than put our hopes on the next generation.  From what I've seen they just keep getting more and more conservative if not reactionary with each passing generation since the 60's.  

    •  The next generation? (0+ / 0-)

      I don't agree.  Generations don't really "keep getting more and more conservative if not reactionary...."  It may look like that sometimes, but mostly generations keep getting more liberal/civilized.  The fairly recent outbreak of tea party conservatism (and the religious right) is like the plague.  It started many generations ago in the 19th and early 20th centuries and has weakened over the generations.  But there are sporadic and unpredictable outbreaks from time to time.

      It won't last, but we have to make sure that it doesn't destroy the country before it subsides once again.

  •  Priorities (0+ / 0-)

    Our most crushing issue, the one that is steadily pushing the US to collapse, is unrelieved deep poverty. Not gay rights, not marijuana, arguably not abortion.  The middle class does, indeed, want more services for the middle class. The real class war, middle against the poor, will continue until the middle is gone.

  •  Not So Fast (0+ / 0-)

    The nice thing about most of our young men and women is that they have the capacity to see the hatred, racism, bigotry and intolerance being spewed by the conservatives and they refuse to be indoctrinated by their parents. They are capable of independent thinking based on facts. They are the best and the brightest that we have to offer and they are our only hope of rising above the stench of the conservative sewer.

  •  Unless... (0+ / 0-)

    ...they''re able to cast their vote in a tweet, participate in political surveys on FaceBook, analyze political issues from inside a tanning bed, listen to re-election debates while they're shaving their crotches in the shower or study polls while getting their ass tattoos, I'm not buying ANY of the the millennial pom-pom waving...

  •  Millennials' views (0+ / 0-)

    Though this piece is interesting and even encouraging, I can only hope millennials start actually voting for people who represent their views before the people who are extremely conservative make it impossible for them to vote at all.

  •  The old saying ... (0+ / 0-)

    went like this -

    "Anyone who isn't a liberal at 20 has no heart, but anyone who hasn't turned conservative by 50 has no brain."

    I don't AGREE with that statement (because I THINK I have a brain ... but then, what do I know?), but I've heard it often enough that it's stuck with me.

    My point here is that the Millenials have NOT turned 50 - heck, Beave, they're not even 40 (thus, they won't even recognize the reference to Jerry Mathers) yet.  So if they're still leaning left, just wait a decade or so.

    OF COURSE the New Right is wrong - but that doesn't make WRONG the new RIGHT!

    by mstaggerlee on Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 11:10:50 AM PDT

  •  GREAT news, but then why... (0+ / 0-)

    does it seem that EVERY younger person I meet seem all the more; right wing, hard core anti-Obama, pro 30++ round magazine for their semi-auto (and WANTING FULLY AUTO) assault rifles, pro Tea Party, almost neo-Nazi, anti-government ANYTHING????!!!!!

    Is it just that they are 1000x more angry and VOCAL about their hatred and 'worldviews' than the supposed liberal 'majority, so it seems that there are many more of them??

    "When I feed the poor, they call me a saint, When I ask WHY the poor are hungry, they call me a communist." -Dom Helder Camara

    by proud nonbeliever on Tue Mar 11, 2014 at 04:58:49 PM PDT

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