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FL-13: After an intensely hard-fought special election where total spending likely topped $13 million, Republican David Jolly defeated Democrat Alex Sink by a margin of 48.4 percent to 46.6 percent in Florida's 13th Congressional District on Tuesday night, holding the seat for the GOP. Libertarian Lucas Overby ended up with 4.8 percent of the vote. Even though Barack Obama narrowly carried the district in 2012 by about 1.5 points, it appears Sink couldn't overcome the troubling tendency for key chunks of the Democratic electorate to stay home during non-presidential elections.

Republicans will crow that unhappiness with Obamacare, which was the focus of much of their advertising, led to Sink's undoing, and it's possible those attacks provided Jolly's winning margin—but of course, with such a tight outcome, anything could have been responsible, such as Sink's personal flaws as a candidate. And importantly, the November electorate will likely be less Republican, on a relative basis, than you'd find in a March special election, so Democrats should likewise exercise caution before panicking that the Affordable Care Act spells doom.

Of course, a win is still a win, but there's a constant Beltway temptation to read far too much into a single special election. Close races also make for poor object lessons, as luck tends to play an outsize role, much like in a baseball game decided by a single run. But at the same time, even if this election augurs nothing for November, this was still very much the sort of district that Democrats need to capture in order to have a shot at some day taking back the House.

They'll still have another chance in November, and ex-Gov. Charlie Crist (a native of neighboring Tampa St. Petersburg, the city at the district's heart) will be at the top of the ticket, running against unpopular GOP Gov. Rick Scott. But the Democratic bench here isn't especially deep, and after Sink couldn't convert despite her massive fundraising efforts, it will likely be hard for the party to recruit a strong candidate to take on Jolly a second time. As a result, Daily Kos Elections is moving this race from Tossup to Lean Republican, though we anticipate it will become less competitive and not more so in the future.


MI-Sen: Following up on a story we've covered a couple of times, it turns out that Michigan resident Julie Boonstra, the subject of a couple of manipulative Koch brothers ads attacking Obamacare, will actually save $1,200 a year on her new health insurance plan. Boonstra initially called her new policy "unaffordable," then retreated to saying it "doesn't work for me" when her claims started to fall apart. Now Boonstra simply insists it "can't be true" that her healthcare expenses have become significantly cheaper, adding, "I personally do not believe that."

What's funny, in a sad way, is that conservatives love to decry what they call "post-modern relativism," a caricatured philosophy they think liberals subscribe to that says there's no such thing as true or false, no distinction between right and wrong. Yet when it comes to politics, conservatives have exploited this kind of "post-modern" thinking to the extreme: If something's not true, just simply insist it is, and the press has to report both sides. Boonstra and Americans for Prosperity have actually received a lot of scrutiny, which is good, but will any of this actually reach ordinary voters, or will this shifty scheme work? We'll just have to wait and see.

NC-Sen: There's little change in PPP's latest North Carolina poll, though Democratic Sen. Kay Hagan's numbers are a bit better than in February. Now she's anywhere from +2 to -2 against the GOP field, whereas last month, she trailed just about everyone by about 2-3 points. In the Republican primary, though, nominal frontrunner Thom Tillis saw his 20-13 lead over both Greg Brannon and Heather Grant collapse into a two-way tie with Brannon at 14, a drop Tom Jensen ascribes to Tillis' recent foot-in-mouth incidents over the minimum wage and Obamacare.


CO-Gov: Rasmussen: Gov. John Hickenlooper (D): 44, Scott Gessler (R): 38; Hickenlooper: 46, Tom Tancredo (R): 37; Hickenlooper 42, Greg Brophy (R): 33.

FL-Gov: In front of an unflattering black background in his latest ad, Republican Gov. Rick Scott (whose net worth is $84 million) tries to explain how his allegedly modest upbringing continually inspires him to ask, "What can I do today that's going to increase the chance that companies are going to hire more people in Florida?" Scott's campaign says it's spending $2.2 million on the ad.

MD-Gov: Democratic Lt. Gov. Anthony Brown is out with a second TV ad that's mostly filled with platitudes, aside from a brief reference to his military service.

ME-Gov: Just a few days a January poll from GQR surfaced showing him a huge 13-point lead, Democratic Rep. Mike Michaud has released his own internal from Normington Petts. Michaud's survey isn't quite as gaudy as GQR's, but he's still up 39-35 over GOP Gov. Paul LePage, with independent Eliot Cutler at 16. That edge is more similar to what we've seen in other polling, so perhaps Michaud wanted to tamp down expectations, though interestingly, the GQR numbers were initially pushed out by the DGA.

One thing's for sure, though: We haven't seen a single internal poll from LePage or Cutler, and LePage hasn't led in a single survey since last March, which was also the only time Cutler polled better than third.


CA-45: Citing poor fundraising, Orange County Supervisor John Moorlach has dropped out of the open seat race to replace Rep. John Campbell. Two other Republicans are still in the race, though: state Sen. Mimi Walters, the establishment pick, and Marine vet Greg Raths. Democratic businessman Drew Leavens is also running.

ID-02: The Club for Growth has another ad targeting their top incumbent target of the cycle, GOP Rep. Mike Simpson. In addition to the standard stuff it hits him with (voted for the bailout, increased the debt ceiling, wanted "a bigger Obama stimulus bill"), I definitely cracked a smile at the end when the narrator says that Simpson supported spending "millions on a park in Nancy Pelosi's district in San Francisco." Sadly, there's nothing cited for that claim, but I'm dying to know what that one's all about.

IL-13: In the first public survey of the Democratic primary in Illinois' swingy 13th District, conservative pollster We Ask America finds former judge Ann Callis leading physics professor George Gollin 41-25, while activist David Green takes 7. The election is on Tuesday.

MI-03: In a new TV ad, businessman Brian Ellis is flaying Rep. Justin Amash over one of the many oddball votes he's taken that have put him at odds with the vast majority of the Republican Party. In this instance, the bill in question would have sought to outlaw "gender selection abortion," which a female announcer defines as "killing an unborn baby because it's not the sex the parent wanted." It was a pretty cockamamie piece of legislation, and Amash did indeed vote against.

His furious response to Ellis' ad, though, makes it seem he's oddly unaware that sticking your neck out for your "principles," whatever those may be, carries consequences on the campaign trail. Amash may be spitting mad, but he also now has to explain himself, and his campaign's claim that the proposed law "would have created a thought crime, which conservatives oppose," is not exactly an easy sell outside the Ministry of Truth. The size of the buy is reportedly $75,000.

MS-04: I'll be curious to see what exactly Democrat-turned-Republican ex-Rep. Gene Taylor's strategy will be for defeating Rep. Steven Palazzo in Mississippi's June 3 primary, because he surely won't be able to call for any help from members of his newly adopted party. Almost all the major GOPers in the Magnolia State just signed on with Palazzo, including Gov. Phil Bryant, the state's four other Republican members of Congress, and a whole bunch of statewide elected officials. Is Taylor going to wind up any better off than Alabama's notorious Parker Griffith?

NJ-03: We've got dueling counties in the quest for the Republican nomination in New Jersey's open 3rd District, where Jon Runyan is retiring after only two terms. (We also have dueling intel about those two counties.) The Burlington and Ocean County GOP organizations both have king-making powers here, and as we've seen in past elections (especially 2008), they don't always agree. This time, PolitickerNJ is reporting that Burlington's organization is backing wealthy insurance industry executive (and ex-mayor of Randolph, which is nowhere near the 3rd) Tom MacArthur, while Ocean prefers Toms River Township Councilor and ex-Rear Admiral Maurice Hill.

The Philadelphia Inquirer has a slightly different take, though: they say both Burlington and Ocean prefer MacArthur, though that's sourced entirely on a quote from Burlington's chair. At any rate, their preferences may not matter a lick, since the field's third (and biggest) wheel is undeterred, and plans to run in the primary without machine backing. That, of course, is Steve Lonegan, fresh off his Senate special election loss, so he has the name recognition to prevail (despite, like MacArthur, having been a mayor of a town at the other end of the state).

And PolitickerNJ has the data to confirm that. They conducted their own poll of primary voters in the 3rd, performed by Advantage Research. The survey finds Lonegan far ahead at 41 percent, with Hill at 11 and MacArthur at only 2. (David Jarman)

PA-13: Well, here's one Big Dog Alert I just can't get excited about, though we all know why it's happening. Bill Clinton is coming to Philadelphia on April 10 to headline a fundraiser for ex-Rep. Marjorie Margolies, who famously cast the deciding vote on Clinton's controversial 1993 budget. The legislation, which included tax hikes, helped cost Margolies her seat in Congress during the GOP wave that crested the following year, but it also paved the way for the economic boom of the '90s—and Clinton is nothing if not fiercely loyal to those who are loyal to him (and his family).

Margolies, though, seems stuck in a time warp, describing herself as a centrist even though her old district has become far bluer and could easily elect a strong progressive candidate.

WV-03: This sure ain't pretty. A new Tarrance Group poll conducted jointly for the NRCC and Republican state Sen. Evan Jenkins finds Jenkins beating Democratic Rep. Nick Rahall by a painful 54-40 margin. Back in October, a Harper poll (also for Jenkins) had the Republican ahead 46-42; since then, as Aaron Blake points out, conservative groups have spent $1.3 million attacking Rahall. So even though you can't directly compare two polls with different methodologies, you'd expect Rahall to suffer rather than Jenkins to surge, making these Tarrance numbers a bit of an eyebrow-raiser.

Tarrance also had a few stinkers last cycle. In fact, all three of their late, publicly released polls missed the mark on the GOP side, some badly:

AZ-Sen: Tarrance: Flake (R) 49-43; actual: Flake (R) 49-46; error: +3 R

CA-09: Tarrance: Gill (R): 46-45; actual: McNerney (D): 55.6-44.4; error: +12 R

NV-04: Tarrance: Tarkanian (R): 50-40; actual: Horsford (D): 50-42; error: +18 R

None of this is to say that Rahall isn't seriously endangered—just that you should always bear in mind a pollster's track record when considering their numbers, especially when they're released for partisan purposes.

And Democrats certainly aren't giving up on the incumbent. The House Majority PAC has a solid new ad featuring a miner, Rick Ryan, who declares (with an authentic accent) that "New York billionaires have paid for those ads attacking" Rahall, and "they're not true." Ryan says Rahall "isn't against coal—he saved my job and 500 others when he stopped Washington from closing" a local mine. He then slams Jenkins as a "shill for the insurance companies," citing the Charleston Gazette. The buy is for $65,000.

Other Races:

WA State Senate: The Washington Democrats' hopes to regain a working majority in the Senate this year (they have a numeric majority, but two members caucus with the Republicans) have a new wrinkle: First, ex-state Rep. Mark Miloscia, who represented the 30th Legislative District as a Democrat, has decided to run against Democratic state Sen. Tracey Eide as a Republican. And now, Eide has decided to retire after four terms, opening the seat up. The district, centered in the blue-collar Seattle suburb of Federal Way, went 59-39 for Obama in 2012.

Miloscia is well thought-of here and probably would have had an easy stroll to the Senate if he'd just been patient and waited to run for the open seat as a Democrat, at which point he could have just joined the ruling "Majority Coalition" and served a de facto GOPer anyway. What's more, the Democrats s don't really have a top-tier replacement ready to go (freshman state Rep. Roger Freeman seems the likeliest option). It's a blue enough district, though, that Miloscia might now have an uphill fight simply because of the "R" that he's chosen to wear.

Miloscia seems like kind of an odd duck for the GOP, too. He was always on the pro-labor side of the Democratic caucus, but was strongly socially conservative and was one of the state's few Democrats to vote against same-sex marriage. (That probably led to him losing the state auditor primary in 2012 to a more conventional Democrat, from which he may hold a grudge.) This sort of ideological configuration may be commonplace in places like Pennsylvania or West Virginia, but that's bassackwards in Washington, where moderates of both parties tend to be socially and environmentally liberal but pro-austerity. (David Jarman)

Grab Bag:

DCCC: Every so often, as longtime election observers know, the DCCC will leak information about the dues that Democratic House members have paid—and more importantly, how much they still owe. (For some reason, though, the NRCC never seems to do this.) It's a transparently public way of trying to shame deadbeats into helping their party, which is why Buzzfeed's gotten its hands on the latest data—and interestingly, they've obtained the full spreadsheet, not the usual piecemeal numbers. (For an OCR'd version, click here.)

But does this dunning actually work? Who knows, though at least back in 2006, the netroots helped put additional pressure on safe incumbents with a campaign called "Use It Or Lose It" that succeeded in knocking loose a bunch of additional money during the stretch run. There hasn't really been a similar organized movement since then, probably because the DCCC doesn't want to be seen as working with activists to make their members' lives miserable. But the full data set is out there now, and if someone wants to recreate Use It Or Lose It, the opportunity is there.

Montana: Filing closed Monday for Montana's June 3 primary. The state has a list of candidates available here.

Newly appointed Democratic Sen. John Walsh is running for a full term. He will face a primary challenge from former Lt. Gov John Bohlinger and first-time candidate Dirk Adams, but Walsh should be the favorite. On the Republican side, freshman Rep. Steve Daines, who already represents the entire state, is aiming for an early promotion to the upper chamber. Daines faces state Rep. Champ Edmunds and Some Dude Susan Cundiff in the primary, but he should have no problem winning. One Libertarian is also running. Daily Kos Elections rates the general election as Lean Republican.

Five Republicans are running to succeed Daines for the Montana's lone house seat. The best-funded candidate looks like former state Sen. Ryan Zinke. Also in the race are state Sens. Elsie Arntzen and Matt Rosendale; former state Sen. and 2012 gubernatorial candidate Corey Stapleton; and real estate investor Drew Turiano, who ran a forgettable 2012 campaign for secretary of state. The winner is likely to take on Democratic former congressional aide John Lewis, who faces only nominal primary opposition. Daily Kos Elections rates the general election as Likely Republican. (Jeff Singer)

SCF: Despite its name, the Senate Conservatives Fund just issued endorsements in five different open seat House races: AL-06 (physician Chad Mathis); GA-11 (state Sen. Barry Loudermilk); IA-03 (Secretary of State Matt Schultz); ID-02 (attorney Bryan Smith); and WV-02 (former Maryland state GOP chair Alex Mooney). It's pretty safe to assume that all of these guys are as true believer-y as they come.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Elections on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 05:00 AM PDT.

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  •  To the "if we only had a real progressive" crowd (4+ / 0-)

    There's an article in Politico where Dem operatives mention that the "Can't we get along bipartisanship" message is a failure.

    Sounds good, right?  They're finally getting it?

    Nope.  Now, these same "Dem operatives" are saying that Dems should support the repeal of Obamacare...

    < facepalm>

    Now, maybe these "operatives" are Pat Cadell or some other hack, but the point is, if you are staying home and not voting to send a message, the wrong message is getting through... just like how in 2011, Obama thought the message of 2010 was to gut social security and medicare for huge tax cuts.  Only the limited early success of OWS changing the message caused him to rethink his strategy.

    Staying home to "spite" the national party never works. They always get the wrong message.

    "I know you cannot force people to care. Ukraine is far away for many, all have own problems. But even if cynical, realize problem will grow. It isn't only people like me, raised in a dictatorship, who don't want it to happen to others"-Gary Kasparov

    by LordMike on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 05:24:19 AM PDT

    •  That was never the president's position (6+ / 0-)

      There is no need to exaggerate. Check out this piece from Michael Tomasky who once again speaks for me.

      "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

      by conspiracy on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 05:33:24 AM PDT

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    •  Politically Aware Voters Spiting the Party Doesn't (10+ / 0-)


      It's everyday rank and file voters especially minorities, youth and the poor, and women as in 2010, that the party consistently decides not to motivate, in search of the swing moderate conservatives who consistently don't turn out in off year elections, who consistently "let the party down" in off years.

      This is a party marketing and service failure. Anyone who blames it on the customer is agreeing with the rightwing that democracy doesn't work and we should be ruled by an elite.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 05:40:51 AM PDT

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      •  Yet even the 2006 midterm electorate was (5+ / 0-)

        Whiter and older than either 2004 and 2006. The coalition is just not as engaged as it is in presidential elections.

        "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

        by conspiracy on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 05:47:15 AM PDT

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        •  2004 and 2008 (0+ / 0-)

          "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

          by conspiracy on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 05:47:44 AM PDT

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        •  A bunch of late scandals for GOP ignited voters in (2+ / 0-)
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          stevenaxelrod, Odysseus

          2006.  There was the Mark Foley page scandal in FL, Sweeney in NY, some guy in PA and besides there was much low-hanging fruit for the Dems.  Still, only a few people foresaw the Dem wave even as late as May-June, among them Chris Bowers in his famous diatribe against the Rothenberg Report and yours truly.  Even into the fall most pundits thought it would be close.  And I don't think one can discount the events of 2005, including Terry Schiavo, Katrina and Bush's SS privatization scheme.  All of these undermined GOP support among older voters.

          Don't bet your future on 97% of climate scientists being wrong. Take action on climate now!

          by Mimikatz on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 09:14:44 AM PDT

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      •  Winning the big hand and losing ALL the little (4+ / 0-)
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        kingfishstew, a2nite, Aquarius40, Odysseus

        hands is a typical sucker's game. It is one politically unaware voters play to their consistent loss. Stop blaming the national party or even the party. I see it right down to local elections where the naational party is absent. I see it in state elections.

        There is a politically uneducated core, more often on "our side" I think because the "true believer" fanatic of the other side is less a factor, that goes for the star thing, the big name, the big race and fails to realize that the real guts of what governs them, whether the local cops are protecting and serving or paramilitary rogues, whether tax codes are fair or not, is determined down in the damn unglamorous trenches where they fail to fight.

        Yep, suckers, sucked into that game by "Wow! I can play poker! I just won big!" until cleaned out in losing all the important little hands after.

        The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

        by pelagicray on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:24:24 AM PDT

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    •  Re the Alex Sink defeat: (11+ / 0-)

      I don't live in that district but I'm in the Tampa Bay media market:
         The image she built - the optimistic "...bring Republicans and   Democrats together..." came across to me as insipid. To counter Jolly's anti-Obamacare message, Sink's advertising tried to hit Jolly's climate denialism. While climate is THE central issue of our time, there isn't enough public awareness to make that fly as a campaign issue.
         The ads re Jolly's support for privatizing Social Security were weak, featuring two oldsters talking to each other. She should have hit him hard and repeatedly on SS, using facts and figures.
         Also: Sink didn't emphasize her experience and competence and instead tried to present a down home (in an urban-suburban district) image of a political naif ("...someone with common sense.") who just wants everyone to get along.
         Bottom line: A weak media campaign in a district that's been held be a Republican for more than a generation.
         The party faithful - largely progressives - were probably the only people who turned out.
         I don't think anybody is staying home to send a message. People are staying home because they have no reason to get out and vote.

      •  Dems can't attack on Social Security (3+ / 0-)

        Because Obama keeps pushing for cuts. Older voters, black, whie, hispanic, Asian or otherwise don't like cuts or privatization.

        While the chained CPI debacle was largely kept out of the news media, Dem leaders are forgetting that older voters have an extremely sensitive radar when it comes to retirement/Social Security issues. They find out through other sources.

        Obama and DC Dem leaders need to reverse course and wage a public campaign to back SS increases & stabilization, as in Harkin's bill.  

        Its sheer stupidity to campaign on SS cuts, thinking you can write off the entire Boomer vote.  All that Pete Peterson and Third Way corporate money is like pouring sugar in the Dem campaign gas tank.

        Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

        by Betty Pinson on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:51:39 AM PDT

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        •  I know those older voters... (1+ / 0-)
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          Betty Pinson

          They knew about Obama trying to cut social security before I did, and since they weren't fans of Obama to begin with, they really let me have it when they saw me.  Unfortunately, I couldn't fight back.  I had to agree with them.  Obama was proposing to cut social security, and there was no other way to look at it.

          "I know you cannot force people to care. Ukraine is far away for many, all have own problems. But even if cynical, realize problem will grow. It isn't only people like me, raised in a dictatorship, who don't want it to happen to others"-Gary Kasparov

          by LordMike on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 12:52:13 PM PDT

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      •  I live in that district (3+ / 0-)
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        a2nite, PassionateJus, stevenaxelrod

        and worked on the campaign for Sink. Everybody was sick of the ads on TV which were so repetitive on both sides and of course, deceptive. Ultimately, I feel that people tuned them out.
        Sink put out a tremendous effort along with her volunteers. This was a hard fought campaign which did end up being about turnout, and Sink's people did all they could to get that out. The 5% vote that went to the Libertarian doubtless had an effect, too.

        The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

        by deebee on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 07:19:12 AM PDT

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        •  Thank you for your work in this campaign (0+ / 0-)

          You were the boots on the ground and that is better then all the criticism from the arm chairs.  There will be a better turn out in Nov.  I hope she can hang in there.  I actually turned my TV off last month.  I live in Bradenton.  You are right it was bad and constant.  

          Again thank you for your effort.  

    •  This was a heavy GOP district (2+ / 0-)
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      buffie, Mimikatz

      So, yeah, it looks like more Dems turned out than before.

      Its an incremental victory. So build on it instead of whining and hippie punching.

      Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

      by Betty Pinson on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:38:11 AM PDT

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      •  No and no. (5+ / 0-)

        Alex Sink-David Jolly was banker vs. Lobbyist.  She avoided the young, the less affluent and the media as she wasn't comfortable in those areas.  This area is not all old people and retirement centers but she sure hung out in them.

        Hopefully, she goes back to her house in rural Tampa and watches how Charlie does the job this fall, along with pulling up Jessica Ehrlich in this district with the same cash and they will support populist positions.  "for the people".

        •  That wasn't even half of the story (6+ / 0-)
          She avoided the young, the less affluent and the media as she wasn't comfortable in those areas.  This area is not all old people and retirement centers but she sure hung out in them.
          She hung out in retirement centers and promptly told them she was willing to cut Social Security and Medicare.  Even if the cuts wouldn't affect them per say they were still cuts nonetheless.  Sink must be a special kind of blockhead to go to senior centers and run on 'dusting off' Simpson/Bowles.

          Like I said last night  Steve Israel better be calling Jennifer Ehrlich and promising her anything she wants to win this seat come November.  

          This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

          by DisNoir36 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 07:10:57 AM PDT

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          •  I was sure I wouldn't like Alex (2+ / 0-)
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            ChuckChuckerson, LordMike

            much in Congress anyway.  She is "who she is" and has shown that she favors the wealthy.  It will probably hurt Jessica that she wasn't on the ballot this time with more name recognition in the fall but hopefully, with money and Charlie on the ballot here,  it will pull her over.

            •  Well I don't like many Dems in congress (3+ / 0-)

              I'm sure Sink would have fit right in with the New Dem Coalition.  However, it would have gotten us 1 seat closer to Madame Speaker.  Instead we now have an uphill battle to fight for this district the Dems should have won.  It's these types of seats the Dems have to win in order to regain the majority and Sink dropped the fucking ball AGAIN.  

              It's losses like this that makes the idea of 'more Democrats' questionable.  If we can't win these races and get more Democrats maybe we should have 'better Democrats' from the get go.  At least that way we can say we put in our best effort instead of offering up some bland khao and hoping the voters will swallow it.

              This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

              by DisNoir36 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 07:39:38 AM PDT

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              •  Who's idea was it to (0+ / 0-)

                shove Jessica out of this race after she did respectably against Young anyway?  She is so much more likeable.  She reminds me of Kathy Castor in our neighboring Tampa
                District. (including our gerrymandered SE St Pete)

                •  That would be Steve Israel very likely (1+ / 0-)
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                  mjd in florida

                  The same guy who won't support a credible challenger to his pal Pete King in NY-02 or credible challengers to DWS' BFF Diaz-Balart and Ros-Lehtinen in FL-25 and Fl-27.  

                  This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

                  by DisNoir36 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 08:04:40 AM PDT

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              •  I don't think (2+ / 0-)
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                mjd in florida, Mimikatz

                that this is as uphill of a battle as it may seem.

                 In November we will be voting FOR medical marijuana and AGAINST Governor Voldemoort. I bet the Democratic turnout is similar to a Presidential year. If the Democrats put up decent candidates (unlike this time) I feel good about our chances.

                •  I hope you're right (2+ / 0-)
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                  LordMike, mjd in florida

                  because if the Dems are to have any chance of taking back the majority they HAVE TO win these R+1 and R+2 seats with weak incumbents or open races.  

                  This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

                  by DisNoir36 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 08:03:06 AM PDT

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          •  That's insane (1+ / 0-)
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            Did the GOP advise her campaign strategy.

            Really? She hung out in senior centers telling seniors she would cut Social Security?

            Words fail. If true, it sounds like corporate donors and their proxies are running the campaigns. WTF, seriously.

            Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

            by Betty Pinson on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 08:05:41 AM PDT

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        •  Sounds good to me (1+ / 0-)
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          I'll be working for Crist.

          The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

          by deebee on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 07:20:20 AM PDT

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  •  Isn't Chelsea Clinton married to Margolies' son? (2+ / 0-)
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    "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

    by MartyM on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 05:55:40 AM PDT

  •  republican lite. (7+ / 0-)

    When will democrats start running as democrats?

    I am sick of republican lite.  What will that get you?

    Alex Sink should have used 1 message.


    repeat that over and over and over 10.10.

    Republicans===the party of the 1% rich people in America. Or in other words..The Party of NO!

    by jalapeno on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:01:39 AM PDT

    •  Netflix inspired (2+ / 0-)
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      Exactly, jalapeno.

      I've been rewatching "The West Wing", and one of my favorite episodes just came up. Democratic candidates should "Let Bartlet Be Bartlet"

    •  No. The issue is the GOP (5+ / 0-)

      She danced around this talking about both parties working together, but should have hit it at chest level. Campaigned on the cost of 50 ACA repeal votes, the business that is being ignored because of them, bleeping Issa. TRhe shutdown.

      She should have pushed on the less publicized rule c hange, that effectively ended the House's ab ility to use a discharge petition to bring something to the floor.

      She should have campaigned against Cantor, against Boehner, against Ryan. I am hearing that she was hurt because of medicare cuts, but these people want to do even more to savage the safety net for the elderly.

      My first thought when she announced was about how poor a candidate she had been for governor. Reducing down to a district from statewide doesn't change the flaws in her as a candidate. Since she had to move there to run, it really only makes her seem all the more flawed.

      Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

      by textus on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:30:26 AM PDT

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  •  Sink perhaps isn't that great of a candidate (9+ / 0-)

    When you lose first to a Medicare fraud and then to a lobbyist, perhaps it is the person and the campaign.

    President Obama, January 9, 2012: "Change is hard, but it is possible. I've Seen it. I've Lived it."

    by Drdemocrat on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:04:38 AM PDT

  •  Fl-13 may be an interesting test case (6+ / 0-)

    for a progressive Dem primary candidate.

    I think with Crist on top of the ticket, it's worth a shot.

    No obvious centrist Sink type candidate on the horizon.

  •  Why would November's electorate be less GOP? (4+ / 0-)

    Barack Obama's core supporters simply won't vote unless he's on the ballot. We've seen that for two straight midterm elections now.

    He's now become a decided anchor weighing down the Democratic party, not a benefit.

    Obama's failure to grasp the necessity of consolidating Democratic power in 2009 is killing the party in non-Presidential years.

    Hopefully, Hillary won't make the same mistake. And, I suspect she won't. She will also have a more willing Democratic Congress in 2017 to help fix things. Because, the Democrats will probably owe their majority to her after getting asskicked this November and losing the Senate.

    •  So this is all the President's fault, that people (3+ / 0-)
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      will not show up and vote when he is not on the ticket?


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      by wishingwell on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:16:24 AM PDT

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      •  Of course not. It's the fault of his base voters. (2+ / 0-)
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        It's starting to make me wonder whether Obama's base voters actually WANT a GOP Congress around to give him an excuse for being a fuck up.

        •  I don't accept this (4+ / 0-)

          I love hearing a Dem delivering a Dem message, but nothing about her campaign excited me. (I live  in Lakeland, and thus see and hear I-4 corridor ads routinely.)

          Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

          by textus on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:52:25 AM PDT

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        •  Maybe it was the candidate or more GOTV is needed (0+ / 0-)

          to get Democrats to the polls especially for special elections.  I have been doing GOTV for nearly 40 years now in some capacity.  And for a very long time, we have had trouble getting sporadic and newer voters to show up to vote, not just in midterms, but special elections too.

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          by wishingwell on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 12:11:08 PM PDT

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    •  Obama was not on the ticket in Virgina and that (5+ / 0-)

      election went very well for Democrats this past November.

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      by wishingwell on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:17:13 AM PDT

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    •  Democrats better figure out how to win without (1+ / 0-)
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      Obama on the ballot..!!!!!!!

      This loss in Florida was a disaster...!!!!
      That should have been an easy pick....almost in Debbie W-Schultz's backyard...!!!

      •  Pretty far from DWS' district (4+ / 0-)

        Not an easy pick.

        I think Sink was not a good candidate but let's not pretend this was Coakley losing in Mass.

      •  Obama would lose if he were running this year. (3+ / 0-)
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        The only thing that saved Obama in 2012 was the fact that Romney was a bad candidate, and was pushed so far to the right in the primaries it made Obama look better.

        •  Well we cannot be sure but also the Obama (1+ / 0-)
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          campaign and staff are very smart. They had a brilliant ground game. I have never seen a campaign that was so well organized and ran so smoothly and left nothing on the field. It was amazing. In all of my years of volunteering for Democrats, several decades now, I have never such a well organized ground game and GOTV.

          I was doing phone banking and never ran into one was amazing and so easy to do.  

          Now if the DNC and DSCC and DCCC were able to copy that campaign more , especially for larger races like Senate, Governor and so on....that might help. There needs to be more emphasis on GOTV. ...massive GOTV like the Obama campaign did.

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          by wishingwell on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 12:17:00 PM PDT

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    •  He wasn't on the ballot in 2006 either (5+ / 0-)

      Exit poll findings for each year - % female, % 45+, % White.

      2004    54    54    77
      2006    51    63    79
      2008    53    53    74
      2010    52    64    77
      2012    53    54    72

      "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

      by conspiracy on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:25:43 AM PDT

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      •  It's all demographics. (4+ / 0-)

        If you had the same demographic mix in 2004 as you had in 2013, Kerry would have won.

        But, in 2006 people turned out to vote against Bush in droves. That's what happened to Obama in 2010, and what will happen in 2014.

        Its a double whammy. People who hate Obama are motivated to vote. People who like Obama, don't tend to vote.

        And the people who are lukewarm about Obama, but don't really like the Republicans either, are not motivated to waste their time voting.

        •  Non-presidential elections are less female (1+ / 0-)
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          Whiter and older. Whatever the political environment. Just the way it is.

          "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

          by conspiracy on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:40:28 AM PDT

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        •  2006 was an anti Bush year (1+ / 0-)
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          Yes, it was an anti incumbent vote.

          If DC Dems are trying to target women voters, and if Obama doesn't have much in the way of coattails, perhaps they need to target older white women voters as well as younger, multi cultural voters. Those groups arent mutually exclusive.

          Women voters were always the bedrock of Dem support. During most of the 90's they ignored them. Somewhere around 2000, Dem strategists lost their mojo when it came to women's issues and turnout. When the GOP began luring a few away, Dems reacted with hostility and decided to drive a wedge between young and middle age/older women voters.  Bad idea, its not working. They need to break up the boys club of Dem strategists and bring in more women, of all ages.

          Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

          by Betty Pinson on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 07:30:08 AM PDT

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          •  I disagree. (2+ / 0-)
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            The problem the Democrats have is that their core voters are not reliable voters. They've started to improve that in Presidential election years. That's why Dems win.

            But, these same voter groups don't yet either understand, or care, that voting EVERY SINGLE TIME is necesssary, not just every four years.

            Voting is not an Olympic sport.

            I think Democrats have to win the house and Senate as well as the White House in 2016. Go all out to win those. Then, take massive steps to consolidate power. The FIRST reforms should be political reforms, not economic ones. Make it harder for Republicans to compete, and easier for Democrats to win.

            •  The Dem voting base is very diverse (1+ / 0-)
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              When some of them don't vote in midterms, it can be for a variety of reasons:

              1. Disappointment in job performance - as loyal Dems they stay home or don't vote specific races because they would never vote for a Republican.

              2. Affinity for only one Dem candidate - As others have pointed out, many of the newer voters were recruited by Obama and don't bother to turn out if he's not on the ticket.

              3. Demoralized Dem voters - people who have been so negatively affected by Dem policies they feel there's no point in voting, since Dem leaders aren't listening to them.

              Excoriating and attacking these voters won't improve turnout.  Taking a more positive and nuanced approach to encouraging voter turnout is a better choice.  Attacking and name calling, etc. - that's just crazy stuff.

              Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

              by Betty Pinson on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 04:09:15 PM PDT

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              •  We need carrots and sticks. (0+ / 0-)

                At some point, people need to be shamed for not getting up off their asses and voting in non-Presidential elections. There has to be a societal stigma attached to that.

                You can;t expect every candidate to be charisamtic and exciting. In fact, the vast majority are not.

    •  Fair comment. Don't hate, people. nt (2+ / 0-)
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    •  Agree, same as 2010 (0+ / 0-)

      Its the downside of targeting low information, infrequent voters with  a celebrity candidate.

      The whiz kids had better find a way to get them to the polls in November.

      Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

      by Betty Pinson on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 07:10:15 AM PDT

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    •  I'd be willing to bet (2+ / 0-)
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      that medical marijuana brings as many or more Democrats out to the polls than Obama did.

      Democrats love to vote FOR someone or something. "Look at how scary the other guys are" only goes so far as a campaign slogan.

    •  "two straight midterm elections now?" (2+ / 0-)
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      Um, what?

      You write, "Barack Obama's core supporters simply won't vote unless he's on the ballot. We've seen that for two straight midterm elections now."

      Again, what?

      We've only had exactly one midterm during the 8 years total of Obama's presidency so far.

  •  Progressives have to start showing some balls. (3+ / 0-)
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    They have to start challenging these Fake-O-Crats in primaries and aggressively attacking them.

    And the party establishment should regard these primaries similarly to how football coaches regard position battles in Spring Practice or training camp. Open competitions to see who the better candidate is.

    Instead, we get the establishment shutting down the competition and giving (through institutional and financial support) the nominations to these non-entities and other clowns who can't hold up in a fight against a GOP candidate.

    •  puhlease (0+ / 0-)

      We don't need to use male genitalia as a metaphor for courage or daring. Particularly when talking about a woman losing a race. I think Sink was a lousy candidate, but don't think this had the least bit to do with her sex.

      Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

      by textus on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:56:01 AM PDT

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      •  I don't think it was referring to her gender (7+ / 0-)

        'show some balls' is a way of saying show some strength or have a backbone.  Hell I've commented on how certain women have huge pair of brass ones and it had nothing to do with gender or sexuality.

        Sink stunk.  Plain and simple.  Gender had nothing to do with it.  Her shitty campaigning did.      

        This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

        by DisNoir36 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 07:16:20 AM PDT

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        •  Agreed, and I know this is closer to speech (4+ / 0-)
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          than it is to writing, but it still deserves a little attention to the appropriateness of figurative language. There are always alternatives to using gender imagery, and although I wouldn't argue this in every case, when you have a woman losing a statewide candidate to a man, I'd think twice before attributing it to some masculine stereotype.

          I know only men have been accepted as professional baseball palyers (a pity, by the way; I'd have loved to hve seen Rod Carew's late daughter have had a shot at the Bigs), but baseball work in part because they capture aggression, caution, cunnings and so forth. Sink took too many called strikes, blah blah blah. Hell, there might even be political metaphors for her unsuitability as a candidate.

          Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

          by textus on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 08:05:39 AM PDT

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    •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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      The way that that party squashed the primary and stuck us with Sink just seemed shady from the beginning.

  •  5% Libertarian Party? (3+ / 0-)
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    5% Libertarian Party?

    I would love to see how these people voted in the past.  I know many are Wall Street Republicans.  But I also fear many young voters who would normally vote for the Democrat is also getting hood winked as well.

    Anyone got any stats?

    •  I think we could have gotten thing (0+ / 0-)

      if we'd made GOP thuggishness the issue. Sink didn't. No one philosophically opposed to government overreach can possibly like this GOP.

      Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

      by textus on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:33:23 AM PDT

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  •  Hmm, so all those diaries right here at DailyKos (3+ / 0-)
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    about the complete demise of the GOP turn out not to be true.

    Strange, strange stuff.

  •  Minority voters in FL-13...did they turn out..?!?! (0+ / 0-)
    •  Or women? Where were they? Jolly openly admitted (0+ / 0-)

      that he wanted to overturn RvW and why didn't that bring out women by the millions and millions?  If it comes to pass that he won women voters by a majority margin....then I just don't know what to say.  Makes me ill to even think about it.

  •  Why are they having an election now? (0+ / 0-)

    A special election 7 months before another one?   Why would they write their laws to require that?  

    Nobody deserves poverty.

    by nominalize on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:21:56 AM PDT

  •  Start putting your eggs in the 2016 basket, Dems. (1+ / 0-)
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    And start praying that Hillary runs.

  •  Is Sink going to punish us by running in November? (4+ / 0-)

    Or are we finally going to get a legitimate progressive in that race?

  •  Rick Scott's (2+ / 0-)
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    Question - "inspires him to ask, "What can I do today that's going to increase the chance that companies are going to hire more people in Florida?" - is revealing. He doesn't ask how he can help the people of Florida. He asks how he can rent them out to corporations.

  •  wake up time for both Obama and the Dems: (2+ / 0-)
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    you had better start talking alot more about the benefits of the ACA, and better at pointing out the flaws of the GOP position or you can wait and think about it for another couple of years or so.

  •   As I recall (4+ / 0-)

    Sink talked about her willingness to cut Social Security that turned me off to her. I would have still voted for her if I lived in Florida. But that had to have hurt her. As it was I will not send money to anyone who is willing to cut SS or Medicare/Medicaid

    Dogs and Philosophers do the greatest good and get the fewest rewards (Diogenes)

    by Out There on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:28:05 AM PDT

  •  Alex Sink reflects sad shape of state-level Dems (4+ / 0-)

    She was a horrible candidate for governor, and a horrible candidate here.

    First off, it wasn't enough of a "gain" for the district for her to move there to run to represent it. A representative is a persuasive advocate for a district, and that isn't her background really. It also highlights her weaknesses as a governor candidate.

    Second off, there is nothing about her that really connects to voters. I can't really distinguish her from the different actors who play the men and women of politics on TV and film, except that I wouldn't cast her.

    Third, the issue right now - particularly relevant tot he Hosue of Representatives - is the absolute bankruptcy of the GOP as a political entity. I expect a Republican to campaign against the president and his signature issue, but why the hell didn't Sink campaign against Boehner, Cantor, Issa and Ryan. In would have re-bloodied the shutdown shirt - and in particular noted that just before plunging us into it, the GOP caucus changed a long held rule to prevent the majority of representatives who opposed it from using a discharge petition to end it. I'd campaign against Cantor having the sole right to introduce a discharge pettion under the current rules. I'd plastor that little bleep's picture in every single add, because he is a symbol of all the problems. He undermines his speaker. He is on the wrong side of almost every issue, and he draws his power from a mixture of Koch cash - and frankly we need to also note that Koch Industries looked for a secondary business that was in line with its lobbying against environmental regular, and chose the manufacture of toilet paper; I digress - and the fringe within the fringe.

    The Florida Dem party just isn't that effective. Nan Rich effectively rolled over on redistricting, and if for no other reason for that I tend to lean toward Crist or another alternative for governor. The state party ignored legislative districts in 2006 and 08, and thus failed to benefit from the things Dean did to improve us as a national party.

    I think this district can be taken back, but not by someone moving into the district and mot by someone who has any taint of the state Dem party.

    Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

    by textus on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:45:51 AM PDT

  •  Awareness Of How Damaging House GOP Has Been (1+ / 0-)
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    Just not enough of the rank and file democratic leaning voters aware of that. Yes there could be better messaging but it might be lost on a good portion of the electorate who don't follow anything in politics except the Presidential horse race every 4 years.

    •  I posted this in the morning digest (3+ / 0-)

      Ideology and political environment seems to have little impact on turnout in non-presidential elections. Democrats just have to deal with the fact that if the presidency isn't up for grabs then voters will be older, whiter and less female.

      Exit poll findings for each year - % female, % 45+, % White.

      2004    54    54    77
      2006    51    63    79
      2008    53    53    74
      2010    52    64    77
      2012    53    54    72

      "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

      by conspiracy on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:54:57 AM PDT

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  •  Takeway from the FL special election (1+ / 0-)
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    Democrats need to learn elections are regularly held every TWO years, not every four.

    "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little. " --Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by jg6544 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 06:54:57 AM PDT

  •  Cmon David (6+ / 0-)

    you keep sticking to this baseball analogy when referring to Sink Stinking that somehow she lost a 1 run game because of luck.  

    I'm sorry but if you are winning late in the biggest game of the season and you bring in your ace reliever to close it out, you expect to win.  If that reliever promptly tosses up softballs that the opposing team's hitter promptly parks in the centerfield bleachers for a walkoff homerun, that's not luck.  You may get away with saying it's luck once.  Hell even Mariano Rivera lost a few World Series games once in a while.

    But when that same reliever gives up two games in a row by going up there and tossing giant softballs which get blasted out of the park, it's not luck.  It's the reliever.  The good relievers can come in to a big game and 9/10 times close the game for the team and get the win.  Sink is now 0 for 2.

    In two instances now, Sink was given a lead late in the game, against eminently beatable and fatally flawed teams.  All she had to do was throw some heat, maybe go in a little tight, give the opponent some chin music to get him to back off the plate a bit and then come at him hard right down the plate.  Attack him hard to let him know she meant business.   Instead she just tossed it in with no effort and got crushed.  That's not luck.  That's a player who needs to hang up their cleats and call it a career before they cost the team any more games.      

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 07:00:22 AM PDT

    •  can't argue with a good baseball analogy (1+ / 0-)
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      There were holes in Jolly's swing that every scout worth spit understood but Sink refused to pitch to.

      Field was not properly positioned to deal with Jolly's predictable lines of attack.

      Several ridiculous calls were uncontested.

      I'm going to stop, but have to wonder if Maddon is a Dem.

      Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

      by textus on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 07:08:51 AM PDT

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      •  LOL I love the baseball talk. (0+ / 0-)

        Spring is in the air.

        Unfortunately, my heart is not in it.  My all time favorite player retired last year.  Sandman is no longer entering and we will never see ol 48 in a game ever again.  My second all time favorite player is retiring after this year.  The last remaining vestiges of the beloved team that won 4 WS titles in 5 years and 5 since 96 while being competitive every single year except two since 1995 is all but gone.  The team is old, broken down and full of holes.  Worse, I have to hear 'World Series Champion Red Sox' for 8 more months.  UGH!!!  

        I swear I don't know what's worse watching my beloved Yankees flail about and fall apart or watching the Democrats flail about and fall apart.

        This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

        by DisNoir36 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 07:30:00 AM PDT

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        •  My favorite slogan ever heard at a political march (0+ / 0-)

          1974. University of Oklahoma. "The Shah is a Pittsburg Pirate!"

          Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

          by textus on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 07:58:10 AM PDT

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          •  LOL. I'm sure there's more to that story (0+ / 0-)

            but it eludes me.  

            This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

            by DisNoir36 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 08:05:46 AM PDT

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            •  marchesw against Pahlevi (0+ / 0-)

              Many of the Iranian students wore masks because there was a fear that Savak agents were taking pitcutres and identifying people to harass their families.

              A couple of legitimately anti-Shah but goofily non-Iranian students  - neither of them me, by the way - joined one march wearing baseball caps, Archie Andrews Halloween masks and waving bats and chanting this. There was a pocket of Iranian students who joined in, because it was , well, funny. Insert here Emma Goldman line about revolutions and dancing I guess.

              Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

              by textus on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 08:09:23 AM PDT

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              •  But why the Pirates? (1+ / 0-)
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                in Oklahoma?  Wasn't there another team closer to Oklahoma that you could use?  It's a bit out in left field?  (sorry about the pun)

                This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

                by DisNoir36 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 08:48:23 AM PDT

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                •  Well, Stargell was the Pirates LFer at the time (0+ / 0-)

                  and he was born in Lawton. I don't think that was why.

                  The Pirates had a good team at the time, for what that's worse, and the act of piracy - I'm speculating here - must have seemed more Shahlike than dodging, flying in space, being really big, being a priest, wearing a particular color of socks or leggings, or belonging to some ethnic group, bird species of horse gender. Steinbrenner had only recently taken over Yankees, so there weren't the empiric connottions to calling the Pahlevi a new York Yankee. The closest teams I guess kind of fit as in the Royals and the Rangers, but Pirates to me still seems to make more goofy sense.

                  Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

                  by textus on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 09:01:45 AM PDT

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                  •  Ah got it. (0+ / 0-)

                    A bit before my time but good to know the zeitgeist back then.  I guess the big Red Machine wasn't particularly loathed in Oklahoma.  Pirates did fit.  Thanks for the explanation.  

                    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

                    by DisNoir36 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 10:11:49 AM PDT

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                    •  The Reds had yet to win the whole thing by 74 (0+ / 0-)

                      But how could they be loathed? No one I knew considered Stargell to be the best Oklahoma-born MLB because they considered Bench to be. My mom loved home runs and -players from Oklahoma, so when I was a kid she was a Yankees fan. Bench came up shortly before Mantle retired, so she switched teams at that point (her sis moving to Cincy in 67 was also a factor there). Growing up, we weren't allowed to say anything bad about Billy Martin, because "He's Mickey's best friend so he can't be a bad guy." I know I'm getting tedious on this. sorry.

                      Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

                      by textus on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 11:14:09 AM PDT

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                      •  Hah no I looove it. (0+ / 0-)

                        I'm getting a whole different perspective here.

                        I completely forgot Bench was from Oklahoma.  I grew up at the end of Bench's career when Billy Martin was the often fired often rehired manager of the Yankees and Mickey Mantle was some dude who showed up at Old Timers Day.  Of course we all know who Mantle is but my favorite players growing up were Willie Randolph and Don Mattingly.  Willie Stargell, Johnny Bench, and Mickey Mantle were all by that time either long ago retired or retiring.  

                        This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

                        by DisNoir36 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 12:40:03 PM PDT

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                        •  Yeah, I'm a geezer (0+ / 0-)

                          I grew up rooting for the Kansas City A's until I got mad at Charlie Finley and they were going to move anyway, so when they released Ken Harrelson I basically said, I'm going where he's goin. Which made me likely Oklahoma's only Red sox fan from 67 on. During your formative years as a fan, my favorite players tended to be the psycho pitchers, Boyd on my geam, but in particular I was a huge fan of Anduhar on the Cardinals. My deal with God in 2004 went like this. End this curse, let us do the impossible of coming out of a three oh deficit, and then beat a Cardinal team that like the 67 one was clearly the best team in baseball, and I'll cheerfully root for the Rays fro then on. (I live in Lakeland FL.)

                          Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

                          by textus on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 01:55:33 PM PDT

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  •  The Florida Democratic Party is especially weak, (5+ / 0-)
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    as indicated by not putting up one of their own stars against Scott, but by recruiting a Republican who got kicked out of his own party as a sitting governor.

    There's no bench in Florida. The first thing that has to happen, a task Barack Obama's campaign neglected to do, is rebuild the party. Hopefully some of the many Obama campaign volunteers and operatives in Florida will begin moving into the party apparatus, and then begin to wage campaigns in the future.

    There is absolutely no reason why a state like Florida isn't competitive considering its demographics. It isn't Texas, which is not competitive during presidential elections. Its already what Texas will be. Yet there is no 'Battleground Florida' going on down there and it needs to be done.

  •  OMG! Steve Israel is fuckng delusional!! (1+ / 0-)
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    DCCC Chairman Steve Israelcalled Alex Sink an "extraordinary candidate" and wants her to run again.

    "If Alex Sink decides to run, she will win November," Israel said in a conference call moments ago."

    Aww...HELL...naw! Are you fucking kidding?

  •  Sink was tenuous in her support for Obamacare (1+ / 0-)
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    Sink proclaimed her support for the Simpson-Bowles deficit reduction plan, indicating her willingness to cut Social Security and Medicare! She was attacked by the Republicans for doing so. They exclaimed that she would cut those programs for seniors.

    Democratic candidates should not be defensively tenuous in their support for Obamacare, as by stating they want to "fix it." Sink should have gone on the offense and provided specific support for the ACA as Crist inferred that he will do in his future campaign.

    Sink should have exclaimed that Obamacare eliminates the coverage gap (the "donut hole") for medicare recipients, which this year requires recipients with that coverage gap to pay 72% of the costs of their drugs.

    She should have affirmed that Jolly wants young adults under the age of 26 to be kicked off their parents' insurance and he wants insurance companies to be able to reject claimants on the basis of pre-existing conditions.

    She should also have asserted that Jolly wants insurance company executives to be able to get rich off insurance premiums. The ACA requires that 80% of the insurance premiums must be used for health care; only 20% can be spent on administrative costs.

    Sink should have affirmed that the Affordable Care Act has depressed the rise in medical costs to the lowest level in many years.

    Sink should have broadcast poignant testimonials of Floridians who have received life-saving care from the Affordable Care Act.

    Sink needed to expand the electorate. She should have had conversations with many hosts of Spanish-speaking radio shows in her district and even the hosts of national Spanish-speaking television shows. She should have spent considerable time advocating the Dream Act and specific aspects of immigration reform. She should have spent a considerable amount of her resources in organizing Hispanic neighborhoods and in providing vans for people in urban areas such as St. Petersburg to be transported to the polls.

    •  I agree that candidates need to run on the ACA and (0+ / 0-)

      embrace it.  The word "fix" implies there is something wrong with it.   "Improve", "expand", or "a road toward single payer" are the words a candidate should be using.  Why can't we start running on single payer?  Why can't that be our issue to bring out people for the November mid terms?  We know the people want it, so let's begin the conversation today!

      "You want single payer???....everyone across the land guaranteed coverage???  Do you want no cost doctor visits?? Do you want no deductibles?  No fees, no paperwork, no anything but your card????   Then vote for .......!!"

      That is a winning message!

  •  recruit vs primary (0+ / 0-)

    If there had been a primary on our side, it would have created a lot of excitement.  I know it would have cost more money, but, Sink just fundraised while the GOP candidates fought it out and go their names and issues out there.

    A primary is a great practice for the general, it toughens up the candidate, and helps to identify what the winning issues are.

    We on Daily Kos have been talking about this seat for years, and when it opens up, a weak corporate Democrat is handed the nomination.  WTF???

    Our party needs to work from the grassroots up.  I have a feeling by the time the 2014 midterms are over, Steve Israel is going to be on everyone's S*#% list.

  •  I Think Sink Did As Good As She Could (0+ / 0-)

    She should have won and could have.  I thought for sure she would get more of the elderly vote.  But voters who have voted a certain way for years is hard to get them to break away even if it is against their own interest.  I believe that a democrat will win this district in 2016 because I believe that more young people who are democrats will eventually take over from the older people who vote in GEs.

    "Don't Let Them Catch You With Your Eyes Closed"

    by rssrai on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 09:24:35 AM PDT

    •  NO, read biocon's diary above. (1+ / 0-)
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      Alex Sink and her Mayberry shtick is not a fit for this district and she avoided the support of younger voters, the working class and populist issues.  She certainly doesn't deserve a third run when she has failed twice at "knowing her voters" and now voters have her character pegged and it won't get them to vote for her this fall either.  Someone above called her "blockheaded".  That's the perfect descriptive word.

  •  some news from NY 21 (0+ / 0-)

    a House seat that the Democrats may heedlessly and needlessly lose is here.

  •  FL-13, overreaction ... (0+ / 0-)

    perhaps biggest lamestream media overreaction is here:

  •  Mimi Walters running for CA-45 (0+ / 0-)

    Is absolutely horrible.  She's a right-wing nut case that has no sense of truth or its dignity. She just hangs onto the party line for dear life.

    Least you doubt, read her positions, here from Votesmart.

    As you can tell from the following position on energy, she's going to vote for anything lobbyists tell her to:

    America has enough energy here within our borders, but misguided government policies and environmental extremism prevent us from using those resources. The Obama administration has done everything in its power to prevent new domestic oil and natural gas from coming to market and to stop us from buying more oil from our North American neighbors. Four-dollar a gallon gas is a direct result of failed government policies that have left us dependent on buying overseas oil, much if it from regimes hostile to our values. I support construction of the Keystone pipeline.

    She received a 100% by anti-choice groups and 0% by Planned Parenthood.

    She received 0% by humane groups.

    Walters is opposed to equal right for LGBT individuals, supported CA Prop 8 and was supported by religious wingnut reconstructionist Howard Ahmanson.  Here (Think Progress).

    She received a 3% from the League of Conservation Voters.

    Well, you get the picture but it's actually much worse than it looks.  She is currently my CA senator and would replace my dastardly CA congressman (at least he does better on animal issues).

    She's really bad, bad news.

    I just can't catch a break.

    The only hawk I like is the kind that has feathers.

    by cany on Wed Mar 12, 2014 at 01:03:04 PM PDT

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