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U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton holds a Global Town Townterview at the Newseum in Washington January 29, 2013. The Townterview, a mix of a town hall and television interview, is Clinton's 59th such meeting which comes just before her last day as S
Public Policy Polling reports that Hillary Clinton remains the Democrat to beat in 2016:
She leads Mike Huckabee 49/42 in a hypothetical contest. By contrast Joe Biden would trail Huckabee 46/41 in a hypothetical match, and Elizabeth Warren would trail 44/33. This is one of the most massive electability gaps we've ever seen.

Clinton also leads the rest of the Republican field in potential contests, although some of the match ups are pretty close. Jeb Bush is the strongest GOP hopeful, trailing by only 3 points at 47/44 and Chris Christie isn't far behind with a 4 point deficit at 46/42. Clinton leads Rand Paul and Paul Ryan each by 5 points at 47/42 and 48/43 respectively, Marco Rubio by 8 points at 48/40, and Ted Cruz by 11 points at 51/40.

That said, how much stock should be put into this? Not much. When the actual campaign hasn't even started (and, please Jeebus, will not be starting for a while yet) these things tend to mainly reflect name recognition, not policy preferences.

But it's still encouraging news for a potential Clinton run, and not at all good news for the Republican heavyweights who have been trying very, very hard to damage her.

Originally posted to Hunter on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 11:20 AM PDT.

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  •  Of Course She Leads..... (4+ / 0-)
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    MartyM, Mostserene1, METAL TREK, GleninCA

    Nevertheless, they'll trot out their usual stable of ex-Governors to run against her.  Everyone know Governors know budget.  They actually work & run a state unlike community organizers, a Secretary of State or a US Senator.

    Just ask Sarah Palin AKA Alaska's half term Guv.  

    •  They could still put up faux populist (2+ / 0-)
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      cybrestrike, ChuckChuckerson

      and she'll lose.

      She's a known quantity and populism isn't one of them.

      Obama: self-described Republican; backed up by right-wing policies

      by The Dead Man on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 02:56:32 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Who™? n/t (3+ / 0-)
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      annieli, Calamity Jean, Lepanto

      Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

      by JeffW on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 03:03:14 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Governors don't know budgets (4+ / 0-)
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      Lying eyes, JeffW, nirbama, METAL TREK

      They're constitutionally bound to stay in session until a budget is met.

      Most often, State Governors beg the Federal Government for assistance to balance their budget.

      •  That's Not The Way Republicans Sell It..... (0+ / 0-)

        Governors are one of their main talking points.  Their view is that governors get down in the dust to keep their respective states afloat.  They are not only managers, rescuers, legislators, educators, statisticians, managers of the purse strings as well as the only ones qualified for the WH.

        The only thing Republican governors don't do apparently is provide milk from their own breast for the hungry & the infirm in their states.  

    •  Both parties run governors, however (0+ / 0-)

      Cruz and Paul are holding their own against all governors.

      As the diary points out polls at this stage are largely meaningless. They mostly indicated name recognition. The most important numbers that I see is how well Warren is doing in spite of little name recognition outside of lefties who follow political stuff much more than the average voter.

      Clinton was leading at this stage when she ran against Obama and other Dem candidates. If she could not win then, it difficult for me to see how she can win the nomination in this cycle, once other candidates jump in and get better name recognition.

      War is costly. Peace is priceless!

      by frostbite on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 05:29:52 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  HRC rox/sux posts in 5,4,3.... (2+ / 0-)
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    tarkangi, c

    She will remain the "editorial" choice of DK until an actual critical mass not unlike PBO's in 2007-8 emerges, so stop the complaining about her putative centrism and come up with viable progressive options. As much as a Warren-Sanders ticket would usher in a new age, to not have a Democratically controlled Congress beginning in 2014 invites more hand-wringing and no real change

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 11:29:41 AM PDT

  •  Hillary in 2016..... (10+ / 0-)

    because we need a Democrat, even an imperfect one, in the White House.  And she is most electable in our centrist country.

    •  On issues, the 99% are leftward. (3+ / 0-)
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      Mannie, ChuckChuckerson, cybrestrike

      Unfortunately, the 1% "center" is to the right.

      Obama: self-described Republican; backed up by right-wing policies

      by The Dead Man on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 02:54:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  that leftward leaning (4+ / 0-)
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        Lying eyes, c, Joe Jackson, nirbama

        Is right where she leans.

        Extreme Left fans aren't Progressives. They are Extreme Left fans.

        Progressives are Liberals that have a pragmatic and optimistic view of the future, not a fantasy world where everyone lives in pure bliss, gets a Ph.D and has bumper to bumper HealthCare because the vast majority of the country decide, ``A National VAT Tax should be implemented and we don't need to be armed for WWIII, at home.''

        No, Progressivism is a long, steady haul towards a brighter future for all, not a leap off a cliff.

  •  Yes, but I want to see some of our Dem leaders (9+ / 0-)

    try to primary her so we can left flank her and hopefully move her a little left. I am all for voting for the Dem nomination, just want to encourage some debate fodder for the primaries. I believe that we Dems are better when we state our positions and have to fight for them and prove them. We don't tend to be the clown car we see coming from the right, but we still need the debate for the primaries so that the larger audience sees the difference.
    Thanks for the diary.
    Peace and Blessings!

    “When you victim-blame, be aware that in all likelihood, at least one woman you know and love silently decides she cannot trust you.” ` Steph Guthrie

    by Penny GC on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 11:42:50 AM PDT

  •  I'll hopefully drop out of society by then (11+ / 0-)

    what a world! It's like watching a depressing movie and thinking "it's not going to get any better, is it?"

    Dear NSA: I am only joking.

    by Shahryar on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 11:56:21 AM PDT

    •  I fell like I'm trapped in a prequel to one of the (6+ / 0-)

      many dystopian movies that came out in the 80s.

      Obama: self-described Republican; backed up by right-wing policies

      by The Dead Man on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 02:53:27 PM PDT

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    •  I'm reminded of the movie Groundhog Day (3+ / 0-)
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      Mannie, Shahryar, dinazina

      We haven't gotten it right in decades.

    •  Ha (3+ / 0-)
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      Shahryar, nirbama, Australian2

      On a great many topics in the world, I often wind up thinking to myself, shit, where can I be a hermit?

      Better? No, or at least not quickly.

      I will vote for the nominee, and I actually don't hate Hillary Clinton as much as some on the left -- I disagree with her vehemently on many things, but find some of the incredible hatred of her a little disturbing, especially from people who will wax poetic about Bill and his "personality." I don't love the policies of either Clinton and I never have. I actually think Hillary has always been a nudge to the left of Bill, though, in some ways that do matter.

      But that's another can of worms. I hope we have a healthy primary that hones our nominee, whoever that might be in the end, and that provides a clear difference in fundamental governing philosophy the the bulk of American voters. I hope we can get through our process via a clear impression of our ideals as a party.

      In the end, my hermit fantasies are seldom about the presidency in particular, to be fair. I assume at this point that a President will either be really awful or just sort of fair-to-middlin'. I was born in '79, so it has always been thus. ;)

  •  Whats more important in these numbers (3+ / 0-)
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    fenway49, Rikon Snow, mdriftmeyer

    in relation to Daily Kos users, is how poorly Warren would do against a psycho like Huckabee.

    •  Some of that is likely name recognition (0+ / 0-)

      And sexism.  Just IMO, of course.  I have no empirical data.

      ". . .as singularly embarrassing a public address as any allegedly sentient primate ever has delivered." - Charles P. Pierce

      by Rikon Snow on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 03:05:32 PM PDT

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      •  An some of that is likely due to the fact that... (2+ / 0-)
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        Rikon Snow, Calamity Jean

        ...a huge proportion of the electorate are psychos themselves!

        "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." -- Anatole France

        by terremoto on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 03:10:58 PM PDT

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      •  99% (1+ / 0-)
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        Rikon Snow

        is due to Warren not gelling with the vast majority of the nation's voting block, as it currently views issues.

        Elizabeth herself won't be as Far Left in 4 years as you all want her to be.

      •  Name recognition (1+ / 0-)
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        Rikon Snow

        is probably a good chunk, yes, but do bear in mind that presidential elections require a lot of votes in places very different from MA or so on. I have no idea how Warren would do in, say, Ohio, though I think it would be damned interesting to see her frame a left-populist message there.

        Even for me to vote for her, though, I would have to understand a lot more about her ideas on things like foreign policy, etc. Being a Senator can allow you to specialize to a degree; being a President is all over the place, you have to be an international figure as well as a domestic one.

  •  What can the GOP throw at Hillary Clinton? (8+ / 0-)

    The awful 90's? lol

    Shes aleady been processed by the American people. They know who she is, warts and all.

    If all they got is Benghazi!!! they already know theyre beat. Theyre gonna need a helluva candidate to defeat her and that aint Jeb Bush.

    •  One thing the GOP... (0+ / 0-)

      ...will run against HRC on is health care reform -- IFF, by election time, ObamaCare is not popular among the mushy middle. If this happens, it could be effective (although, if the GOP put up presidential candidates as weak as in the last two Presidential elections, it probably won't change the outcome).

      HRC's views on this topic are well documented from the 90's and again in debates in the presidential primaries and any, and everything, she said either time is fodder for sound bites in ads. Among other things, her opponents will try to back her into a corner and force her to completely dismiss single payer or anything that smells of it (as she must do to avoid losing the mushy middle), but that dismissal won't help GOTV among progressives who are an important part of the GOTV effort and want single payer.

      Remember, here on DK, a complete unknown with no track record of note was generally preferable to HRC. That doesn't bode well for the energy level behind HRC and hence GOTV efforts.

      Again, though, the GOP needs to find and nominate a viable candidate for any of this to matter.

      •  Energy level poor ... (2+ / 0-)
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        atana, brooklynbadboy

        If you think Democrats nationwide are all like Kossacks.

        Many here underestimate the excitement of electing the first woman President. And HRCs numbers among nationwide Dems are huge.

        •  DK has always been a frat house. (1+ / 0-)
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          It will never understand why the Democratic party is so eager for President Hillary that she is already our nominee before she has even announced.

          American Presidents: 43 men, 0 women. Ready for Hillary

          by atana on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 06:46:08 PM PDT

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          •  I think you see the more loud voices (0+ / 0-)

            making a ruckus and assume that to be the DK voice.  The recent meta war diaries were a good barometer, IMO.  Denise's "Why are YOU here?" diary got a TON of recommends, 713 or higher.   Other diaries with the opposite tenor get at best 150 or 160 recs.  I think that shows that the majority of DKos readers are not at all aligned with those who would like to send HRC into exile onto the island of Malta.  

  •  is anyone polling any democrats other than clinton (5+ / 0-)

    it would be nice to see how specific this is to hillary herself, and how much it is generally related to dem vs. republican sentiment in the electorate generally.

    •  They polled Biden, Warren both did poorly (0+ / 0-)
      By contrast Joe Biden would trail Huckabee 46/41 in a hypothetical match, and Elizabeth Warren would trail 44/33. This is one of the most massive electability gaps we've ever seen.
      It's apparent that Biden would be a disaster for Dems nationwide and Warren would have to do some serious work in order to get her name recognition up.
      •  i wonder what the name recognition on warren (0+ / 0-)

        was in that poll, relative to huckabee, who has already run a presidential primary race. biden admittedly is and has always been an awful presidential candidate (but ironically very well suited to veep).

        the dem bench isn't that small, though.

        •  It's a smallish bench (0+ / 0-)

          at least in terms of people who have been out in front on much, in the public eye.

          I can think of people who could throw in and might, if they really pushed, be able to build their standing and recognition enough with the public pretty quickly. But when I try to think of anybody who already has much name recognition at all, or is known for much, outside of us political junkies... hm. Not sure I can come up with names that wouldn't be met with a "Who's that?" Even by folks who pay more attention than most.

          Kerry could run, but he'd not get far, I think. He's come off pretty badly at State, at least in my opinion.

          •  kerry, like biden, was a terrible candidate (1+ / 0-)
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            he's done far better at state than he ever did as a candidate, IMO. but then i was not a fan of clinton's tenure at state.

            if you go back and look at credible candidates (ie. that are able to win delegates in the primary process) in presidential primaries, going a fair length of time back, most of them start out as sitting senators or governors that aren't terribly well known outside their state or region before they catch fire in iowa or new hampshire and get rolling.

            there are quite a few dems that could fit that description, IMO. what remains to be seen is whether any of them will start hanging around iowa next year (and wall street/hollywood/silicon valley donors this year) or not.

            •  Speaking of lousy candidates, how easy we forget (0+ / 0-)

              how bad Hillary was in the primary. Unlike Bill, when Hillary gives a speech there's not much wit to it and little of the common touch. But there is a lot of shouting, as if the loudness of the thing is what generates excitement.

              If we've already concluded that she is the best we've got, well, that's just sad.

              I was a peripheral visionary. I could see the future, but only way off to the side. ~ Steven Wright

              by Bugsby on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 06:42:22 PM PDT

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  •  Hillary, Hillary, Hillary (5+ / 0-)

    Repeat early and often.

    Still won't make her policies and appointments stink any less.

    Obama: self-described Republican; backed up by right-wing policies

    by The Dead Man on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 02:51:51 PM PDT

    •  I used to think that. Then I came to feel thar (2+ / 0-)
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      Joe Jackson, METAL TREK

      Only SCOTUS matters in e long run.   On that basis, I'll take her,

      ". . .as singularly embarrassing a public address as any allegedly sentient primate ever has delivered." - Charles P. Pierce

      by Rikon Snow on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 03:07:18 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Taking a look at the pieces of crap Obama (5+ / 0-)

        nominated to judiciary from Georgia puts the lie to that assertion.

        Obama: self-described Republican; backed up by right-wing policies

        by The Dead Man on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 04:20:43 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I must confess to being puzzled. (0+ / 0-)

          Is it now de rigeur among Kossacks to blame Clinton for everything Bill did wrong and everything Obama's done wrong?

          I don't recall anyone applying this kind of microscope to Obama's history in 2008 on DKos.....was it, perhaps, because he was male?

          "Violence never requires translation, but it often causes deafness." - Bareesh the Hutt.

          by Australian2 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 05:51:19 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  How ridiculous. Not only did Bill Clinton (0+ / 0-)

          MUCH better than both Reagan and George H.W and  George W. did for the Supreme Court, but Obama himself did also MUCH better than any of the Republicans.   Are you ACTUALLY going to deny that there are WORLDS of differences between the likes of Scalia, Thomas and Alito on the one side and Sotomayor, Kagan and Ginsburg on the other?  

          Absolutely laughable piece of reasoning you offered here, but what else is new.    

  •  Anything that would cause Andrew Sullivan's (0+ / 0-)

    undies to ride up his monster glutes can't be all bad!

    "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." -- Anatole France

    by terremoto on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 02:52:07 PM PDT

  •  I am curious about her health tho. (1+ / 0-)
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    Trashy Tabloids been screaming about secret health problems for months. Her last health scare was legit scary and we all know how serious concussions are now. If a doctor can tell somebody they're not fit for a game of basketball.........or SEX if you believe those commercials.........could she be advised by doctors NOT to undergo the grueling task of running for and serving as President?

    "See? I'm not a racist! I have a black friend!"

    by TheHalfrican on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 02:55:18 PM PDT

  •  Color me unimpressed (5+ / 0-)
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    Mannie, bdbd, Portlaw, Hillbilly Dem, Bugsby

    Leading someone by 3 points whose brother and father are 2 of the worst Presidents we've had.
    Leading someone by 4 points who is completely scandal ridden.

    "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is." - George W Bush

    by jfern on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 02:58:39 PM PDT

  •  While HRC is about as close to a sure thing... (1+ / 0-)
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    as we're going to get in a really long time, it would be a big mistake to get too complacent or to assume we'll have another democrat in the White House from 2016 to 2020.

    What if she decides not to run?

  •  Why do I feel like even on DKOS that (5+ / 0-)

    we are getting third way right-center HRC pushed down our throats?

    I have had ENOUGH of wall-street friendly people who claim to support the values of the DNC!  As I have to suffer through Cuomo for governor, I would like the DNC to


    Never underestimate stupid. Stupid is how reTHUGlicans win!

    by Mannie on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 03:04:11 PM PDT

  •  If she declared tomorrow that she was running (1+ / 0-)
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    How would that impact the election in 2014?  Soak all available oxygen?  Derail PBO agenda for the next years?  Premature enthusiasm exhaustion? 2.5 year coronation period?

    Now with their party out of power, the GOP is flailing more then Mitch McConnell's jowls on a playground swing. S. Colbert

    by christomento on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 03:05:57 PM PDT

  •  Keep an eye on Scott Walker (2+ / 0-)
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    Rikon Snow, Mannie

    He wasn't mentioned in this poll but I think he's most likely to be the nominee. He's been lurking in the shadows away from the national press unlike the others (Bush, Paul, Rubio, Christie) so we don't hear much about him. But he fits the bill for what the GOP is looking for (Governor of a Midwestern bluish state). He's been able to win twice in blue Wisconsin with the help of 'Obama-Walker' voters and is likely to be re-elected this year as well. If he ran he could unite both factions of the Republican party (TP/Establishment).

  •  I don't see how these numbers mean anything (0+ / 0-)

    After the press is finished running anti-Hillary stories 24/7 for 6 months prior to the election -- THEN you can take your polls and tell me how unbeatable she is.  

    Otherwise, these stories only seem like wishful thinking.  

  •  These polls must be driving the right (1+ / 0-)
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    Empty Vessel


    "There's always room for cello." Yo Yo Ma

    by ceebee7 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 03:09:39 PM PDT

    •  Not only the right, it seems. Nt (8+ / 0-)

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 03:11:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Perfect comment and... (2+ / 0-)
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        Empty Vessel, Australian2 owe me part of a beer.

      •  1000s of Kossacks ... (0+ / 0-)

        All dressed in black, Jan. 20, 2017, as HRC is sworn in.

        Kind of sad.

        •  Doubtful. I honestly see a lot of repetition (0+ / 0-)

          from the same people writing the same things.  They are quite active, so it seems like a lot.  Probably no more than 500, 600 (judging by the fact that even the most visited diaries opining why HRC would be the wrong choice get at most 200 recommends) when there are now a Million DKos members.  Obviously not all of those are active participants or even readers, but it seems that a lot of what you read repeats itself with the same handful of people participating over and over and over.  

          Dean's recent statement comes to mind:

          Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, who sought the party's presidential nomination in 2004, said he expected Hillary Clinton to face a primary challenge. But Dean predicted she would "satisfy a large number of Democratic voters, including a large number of progressives."

          "There are going to be issues where there is disagreement on. You can never please everyone," Dean said. "The people who are not going to be pleased are well-organized voices and not a lot of votes."

          Asked whether he were considering running again, Dean was blunt: "Nope. Not as long as Hillary's in."

  •  these polls are meaningless (0+ / 0-)

    it's just another way for the political class to make money and fill the airwaves with chatter.

  •  I wish we could be reasonable and respectful (13+ / 0-)

    Hillary should have the deep respect of every Democrat.

    It is a valid debate about whether you nominate the most electable person or the person who will support your individual views.

    It is also a valid debate to question, with facts and evidence, positions of Democratic candidates.

    What upsets me is the number of people on here who treat Hillary like a vote for her is the same as electing a Republican... which is just not true.

    I would hope that we can have a debate and then at the end of the day come together to support whoever the nominee is.

  •  I will vote for the nominee (1+ / 0-)
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    but I hope we have a solid primary.

    And what this stuff always really says to me, whether it's about the Presidency or it's me sitting here watching the Democratic Party here in CA:

    We need to build our bench. We need new voices filtering in. We need to focus so much more than we currently do on smaller elections to build that bench.

  •  Has this become the Daily Hillary? (5+ / 0-)

    Lord, save us this same damn diary has been posted multiple times on the front page already.  

    President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

    by askew on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 03:23:22 PM PDT

  •  Jeb cmpgng next to a potential Mexican first lady (0+ / 0-)

    We should consider that as we choose our nominee.

    Univision and Telemundo News will swoon all over Colubma.

    Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project.

    by PatriciaVa on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 03:44:07 PM PDT

  •  Pres. 2016 (2+ / 0-)
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    penguins4peace, METAL TREK

    Does anyone believe this trash. There is no f'ing was CC is only 4 points behind HRC. He is behind her in his own state for God's sake. Five points ahead of rp and tc...not a chance...I'm willing to wager huge cash that there sample was  far out of wack when it comes to the true turn out of women in this election. They probably use and male-female sample of 49-51 or something close. That dog and pony show will be so badly beaten up. Right, HRC will beat ted cruz by a smaller margin than POTUS beat way.

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    Australian2, Mannie

    At approximately this point in the 2008 cycle, Obama was a state legislator who'd given one good speech.

    At approximately this point in the 1976 cycle, Gov. Jimmy Carter of Georgia was the mystery guest on the TV show What's My Line?--and the panel didn't guess who he was.

    Can we PUHLEEEEZ think about issues for awhile longer, and not get caught up in the horse race?

    "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

    by HeyMikey on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 04:27:17 PM PDT

  •  all I know is HRC was given as certain in 2008 (2+ / 0-)
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    Mannie, askew

    no doubt we'll hear the same eight years later, but I won't believe it till it happens, and that very much remains to be seen

    perhaps at this point Dems should be focusing on the upcoming Mid-Terms and put HRC's sense of entitlement in suspended animation for at least a little while?

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 05:27:16 PM PDT

  •  And.......? (1+ / 0-)
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    so what?

    "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

    by Superpole on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 06:09:27 PM PDT

  •  Proof positive that 40%+ of American voters are (0+ / 0-)

    nuts, stupid, racists, religious freaks or 1 percenters, or some combinations thereof. Sort of scary when one thinks about trying to have discussions about serious issues, going forward.    

    "...stories of past courage can define that ingredient..... But they cannot supply courage itself. For this each man must look into his own soul." JFK Profiles in Courage "

    by ontario on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 07:53:20 PM PDT

  •  Personally (0+ / 0-)

    I believe the polls are what they're worth.
    HRC will win in 2016 unless:
    The Republicans find a stealth "moderate" candidate, like they did in 2000. (remember "compassionate conservatism"?)
    And the democrats walk into a series of traps - for example, in 2015 40 million Americans get surprised to learn that by not buying health insurance the IRS will - surprise! - take 1% of their taxable income rather than not take $95, then, in 2016 their premiums go up a lot more than expected (almost as much as they used to) when the risk insurance provision runs out. (don't tell me that those possibilities are  "bla bla bla not true, bla bla bla told you up front, but you didn't listen" tell the nightly news)
    Or, of course, the DLC can't find another Sirhan Sirhan to take out Bernie Sanders or someone like him, as they were unable to find a hit man to take out that guy Obama who messed up her anointment in 2008. (yes, I am suggesting Obamacare could be like Viet Nam and HRC could be like HHH - the Obamacare analogy could be based on fraud, but that might not matter, and if GWB and RMN can do it, don't consider yourself safe)

  •  I don't get it (0+ / 0-)

    The ways things are going GOP will likely control both houses of Congress in 2016.

    In Hillary, the Democrats have a potential candidate who is currently leading the other GOP potentials.

    Yet people seriously want to take her down?  For some hypothetical Savior of the Left?  Maybe Lenora Fulani will give it a go again.

    Remember, whomever the Democrats run will be demonized.  People should have learned their lesson from 2008 when the idea was touted that Obama will be able to break down the GOP partisan barriers.  Obama was treated just like Hillary would have been if she had won, as any Democrat would have been treated - as the enemy of the right.

    Clinton is tough, experienced and progressive enough while still having the ability to win over centrists.  We should be grateful if at her age, and with Bill's iffy health, she is willing to enter the lists again.

    "Hidden in the idea of radical openness is an allegiance to machines instead of people." - Jaron Lanier

    by FDRDemocrat on Fri Mar 14, 2014 at 08:48:10 PM PDT

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