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What the hell does the NRA know about medicine?

About health?

About well-being?

Not one damned thing!

But the big old buttinskies have their damned rifle-shaped snouts right smack in the middle of some business that they have no damned business butting into.

For some damned stupid reason the NRA has taken against Dr. Vivek H. Murthy, an internist. What does the NRA have against internists? Aren't they good at removing bullets? Maybe internists are too damned interested in gun violence research, for which funding has been in the deep freeze since 1996.

The N.R.A. is a powerful political force in many of the states where Democrats face their greatest threats this year in efforts to keep control of the Senate — like Alaska, Arkansas and Louisiana. The group has embarked on an aggressive campaign to rally its millions of members against Dr. Murthy. The latest effort came on Friday evening when the N.R.A. sent a “grass-roots alert” to millions of email subscribers, imploring them to “contact your senators and ask them to oppose confirmation of President Obama’s radically antigun nominee.”
But, once again cowardly Democrats are shivering in their shoes, afraid to stand up to the NRA, spineless as usual.
In a letter to senators last month, Chris W. Cox, the group’s chief political strategist, mentions Dr. Murthy’s support for limits on ammunition purchases, a ban on “popular semiautomatic firearms” and the removal of restrictions that keep the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from funding “antigun advocacy research.” Mr. Cox also cited Dr. Murthy’s calls for a federal gun buyback program for assault weapons and for mandatory safety training for gun owners. Dr. Murthy has said his concerns about guns stem from his experience in the emergency room where he has witnessed the trauma that gun violence can cause.
Boy! A three-pager to the Senators. I didn't know they were that literate. Oh yeah, and the NRA is going to "score" the vote --
meaning that voting yes would negatively affect a senator’s annual rating from the group
I wish that 20 little kids who are no longer with us, 20 little kids who used to go to Sandy Hook Elementary School, could have the Senate's ear.

Originally posted to Karen Hedwig Backman on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 11:55 AM PDT.

Also republished by Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA) and Shut Down the NRA.

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  •  It would be nice to see (14+ / 0-)

    say, Giffords' group hold Senators responsible for voting no. I can't tell if it's on their radar yet.

    The Stand Your Ground defense is like bleach. It works miracles for whites, but it will ruin your colors. -- Jessica Williams on The Daily Show

    by tytalus on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 12:17:33 PM PDT

    •  OK, are you a dues paying (1+ / 0-)
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      OK, look, are you a dues paying member of Giffords group? When she emails all the supporters of her group are you ready, willing, and able to "blast" back an email and a personal letter and phone call to your congressman? Will you take orders from Gifford's group, or any other gun control group, and single issue vote (or pretend to single issue vote) for gun control and this surgeon general?

      The NRA does not have any special powers granted to it by divine right. It is a manufacturer's front group with dues paid by millions of sucker gun owners that can organize (or people think it can organize) to get out the vote on regulatory issues that it wants to affect.

      So if you aren't on Gifford's list and you haven't organized a local chapter to push gun regulations locally then what are you waiting for?  The Dems aren't more spineless than the Repubilcans--they just don't have any reason to worry about attacks from a committed group of citizens. As far as I can tell the premier action that the left takes, at least from reading around Kos lately, is refusing to vote one by one in general elections. That's not the NRA strategy, btw, they attack the politician by threatening to vote against him/her en bloc at primaries. Much more effective.

      •  They don't do 'dues,' but I donate (2+ / 0-)
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        and yes, I do those emails, and letters, and phone calls. But I don't think Arizona is a good venue for pushing stronger gun laws, sorry. The state level is busy pushing laws against abortion and gays. They need rabies booster shots. If I see any of them it'll be at the moral march on the 29th. Maybe Tucson locally, and reps in Congress certainly.

        This is why I mentioned not having seen anything from ARS yet, and sent Gabby a tweet about this diary.

        The Stand Your Ground defense is like bleach. It works miracles for whites, but it will ruin your colors. -- Jessica Williams on The Daily Show

        by tytalus on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 05:38:17 PM PDT

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        •  My point here is that (0+ / 0-)

          My point here is that Obama put this guy up for Surgeon General and the reason he won't get in is that 10--count 'em 10--Democratic Senators who are in tight races in their respective states are responding to NRA pressure from voters threatening to vote them out.  If there were significant countermobilization from the gun control community the NRA's pressure would be a wash.  But the fact of the matter is there isn't.  

      •  I have had it up to here with the YRUhere retoric. (2+ / 0-)
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        It does nothing but tear down it does not build. It is used as a cudgel not an inspiration.

        Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

        by 88kathy on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 06:19:30 PM PDT

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    •  Mayors Aginst Illegal Guns was on this 2 weeks (3+ / 0-)


      petition here

      No coordination between groups?

      Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

      by 88kathy on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 06:16:44 PM PDT

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  •  The Surgeon General has no input or say on... (23+ / 0-)

    ...legislation.  At best he/she has a bully pulpit but this is exactly what the gun nuts fear.

    I checked several gun nut websites and they are all on top of this news item.  Dr. Murthy's nomination has become the front lines of the fight for gun sanity in America.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 12:29:22 PM PDT

  •  We used to have an illusion (15+ / 0-)

    that this was a democracy. That these fanatical, totally corporate owned jerks can dictate government policy is an affront to the country.

  •  Because they want to (1+ / 0-)
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    And the NRA gets whatever it wants.

    •  Because we let them. (11+ / 0-)

      Because are not organized enough to fight them.

      Because we can see that 20 dead children meant nothing to them...and we can't imagine what weapon can possibly work against them.

      Because we are letting a certain segment of this country define patriotism, individualism, and "morality."

      Because the hill looks too damn steep and most Americans have enough to do just to stay afloat in an increasingly expensive and complex society.

      Because we can see that we have to fight for everything, and it's exhausting and demoralizing.

      Because most of the fucking Democrats we elect are NOT working for us.

      We're pretty much on our own.

      "I think in America, the opposite of poverty is justice." Bryan Stevenson

      by gfre on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 01:14:31 PM PDT

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  •  Democrats fear the NRA because it is effective. (8+ / 0-)

    So many people on our side have scratched their heads & drawn a blank as to why so many working-class whites vote against their own economic self-interest in election after election. The answer is that electoral politics has come to a point where it's more about brand identity than about delivering the goods to constituents. On the Republican side, the NRA is single biggest part of that equation.

    Here's the way it works. Most people have understandably become so cynical & jaded that they no longer expect politicians to deliver them anything. Meanwhile, we've got to a point where tens of millions of Americans construct their very identity around guns, & around fanatical opposition to any form of "gun control". People who couldn't care less about budgets, foreign policy, agricultural policy, infrastructure, education or anything else political get worked up into a frothing rage at the very mention of gun control. Again, we're talking tens of millions of single-issue voters. In most of America, at least those parts outside the large cities, staying on the good side of the NRA literally means the difference between victory & defeat.

    It really is scary & tragic. The NRA & the gun manufacturers who bankroll it brook no deviation whatsoever from the absolutist stance. What the NRA is peddling is basically fanaticism & paranoia. Having defeated just about every gun-control proposal to come up, & having such a strong upper hand politically over gun-control advocates, they keep looking for new targets & thinking up new legislation to rally their base & keep the money flowing - guns in bars, guns on college campuses, guns in schools, guns everywhere, quashing scientific research into gun violence, "stand your ground" laws that are tantamount to a license to kill - it just keeps getting worse. These gun massacres are just part of the price we have pay to live by the NRA's notion of "freedom".

    America's gun culture is a curse on our society, & phenomenon that sets us apart from just about every other country in the world. Sadly, I can't see any way out of this predicament, at least not until white people become a minority in this country.

  •  They're angry people with guns and money. (2+ / 0-)

    They don't need no stinkin' reason.

    "There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." - Mark Twain

    by rustypatina on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 01:51:59 PM PDT

  •  I'm not sure it's possible to have any respect (2+ / 0-)
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    for Obama at this point. Aside from the latest debt ceiling standoff (which I'm convinced he had to be arm-twisted into standing firm on by the likes of Reid and Pelosi), I can't think of many conflicts he hasn't cave into Repubs on. It seems that it's simply integral to his political and I believe emotional DNA to capitulate, appease and try to please others, especially if they have any power and show their teeth. Bankers, oil execs, Republicans, shock jocks--is there ANYONE he hasn't layed down for?

    Oh yeah, the left. Against them he stands firm. Real tough guy.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 01:57:54 PM PDT

    •  It's not that I disagree with you, (3+ / 0-)
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      but Obama did propose Murphy as Surgeon General.

      So I would ask why Democratic Senators are voting for the NRA.

      •  Yet he's offering to drop him (0+ / 0-)

        as soon as there's any heat, just like Van Jones, Dawn Johnsen, Tom Daschle, etc. He does not fight. He just poses.

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 03:46:02 PM PDT

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        •  As I said, it's not that I disagree with you, (4+ / 0-)
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          but I don't think that we should focus just on him.  It's Dem senators who are voting for the NRA, so they bear responsibility here as well.

          •  Both, yes, but more him than them (0+ / 0-)

            When you nominate someone, you first pass it by the senate to see if it's doable. Presidents do whip counts to. Or are supposed to, if they're politically competent. Which he isn't. At BEST a decent man with no spine or talent.

            "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

            by kovie on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 04:19:25 PM PDT

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            •  Yes, but one way to read the logic of that (2+ / 0-)
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              statement is that Obama shouldn't have nominated Murthy in the first place because if he done that whip count, he would have realized that the votes weren't there.

              Now, maybe he did that and maybe he didn't.  Maybe he did that and went forward anyway, either because he thought things would change or because he's into performance art or who knows what.  Maybe he did some behind the scenes pushing and maybe he didn't or did but then gave up.

              We don't know all the behind the scenes machinations. We do know that once again Democratic politicians are not fighting for Democratic positions. So I guess my point is really only that there's sufficient suck to go around. Just embrace it and be happy.

              •  Who's running the show over there? (0+ / 0-)

                It's headless chicken territory. Embarrassing. No wonder voters are willing to give Repubs another chance and his numbers are so low. I think he's basically checked out and is focusing on 1/20/17 and the library.

                "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                by kovie on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 06:05:54 PM PDT

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  •  low-hanging fruit for NRA-ILA (0+ / 0-)

    much like the prior kerfuffles over marijuana and condoms, anything to boost membership campaigns

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 02:15:30 PM PDT

  •  A colleague of mine was also vetted (6+ / 0-)

    for the post.

    Retired career military trauma doc, he thinks he wasn't picked because his public views on gun control were too extreme, way more restrictive than Murthy's public statements.  

    Rather blunt fella.  

  •  When I read the NYT article last nite (5+ / 0-)

    I was so angry I wanted to vomit. Opposing a doctor in favor of modest gun control? Doctors and surgeons are on the front lines in hospitals and see the gruesome results of our unique national need to blow each other to bits for no particular reason. Shame on the NRA and shame on the craven cowards of both parties in Congress who cower before them.

    "Well Clarice, have the lambs stopped screaming?"

    by buffie on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 02:39:01 PM PDT

  •  Dems need a dem that doesn't give a crap (3+ / 0-)
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    One who arms themselves with a couple of big assed pistols and says "I hunt and I have guns, and I think the NRA sucks, I am pro-choice because I love me some women and I am pro-environmentalist because I love me some corn squeezings and the taste of a cold organic beer after the hunt".  They should go on to say that the main reason they are running for office is because the person they are running against is full of beans and clueless on what makes government run for the people, the same people that the Constitution speaks of.  Oh and also, health care coverage for the masses and I could care less if gays get married or divorced or whatever, as long as they are  American's and living here, it works for me.  Then let'r rip.

  •  vivek is a good guy (3+ / 0-)
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    poco, buffie, i saw an old tree today

    And a great advocate for health and coverage.  This is a shame and I hope he still prevails.

    For those of you who prefer Bartlett to Obama, re-watch the West Wing. For those who prefer Clinton, re-watch old news videos.

    by Ptolemy on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 03:09:48 PM PDT

  •  I haven't expressed this sentiment (3+ / 0-)

    mainly because it's depressing the hell out of me, I want to be wrong desperately, but also because it's probably not what people want to hear and that tends to cause the 'beat down the heretic' reflex in enough folks that I didn't want the aggravation. Especially not in lieu of the latest Braveheart speech meets Democratic Party loyalty declaration meets withering glare at the in-site Other who must be purged to slake the impotent rage of the Why The Fuck Does This Keep Happening to Us party that ends up lasting weeks longer as management/ownership gets sucked into putting in its two cents. And resulting meta back and forths, GBCW action, and piefights and bitter recriminations that followed.

    I think we are in for a 2010-esque massacre.

    I'm reading this diary, and it's all so fucking familiar.

    Heads they win, tails we lose. The NRA can probably still dictate what is possible even if a thousand six year olds are lined up and mowed down in today's DC. Democrats refuse to make an argument against Movement Conservatism and whine about how they don't compel people to the polls with dire threats when cowardice and diet conservatism is not inspiring of a counterwave.

    The Democratic brand is being steadily devastated by the inadequate way they are not dealing with the Republican Party being run by crazy people in the service of billionaires. The party that prides itself on competence is being presented as weak and incompetent because it looks weak and incompetent. You can't be the institution that operates on a "compare and contrast" conflict avoidance basis and deal with the political version of Heath Ledger's Joker pouring gasoline all over Gotham city.  

    Being seen a whining sniveling cowardly castrated wimp is a bigger sin in American public life than being a corrupt bullying thug who will hurt people.

    So, the thug life party may add the Senate to the House.

    It's not fair. It's not just. Anybody with two eyes and ears should be able to take one look at the GOP and be repulsed and disgusted. But. There it is. In all of its unfair, unjust glory. The possibility of the GOP winning the Senate with a bare majority that guarantees we spend the last two years of Obama completely engulfed in Obama Derangement Syndrome GOP thinks it has a mandate to impeach defensive. Most of what we do until 2016 paralyzed even more than it has been in the Great Era of Obstruction, only this time by impeachment-related pursuits.

    I think all the awful and nasty shit that has been happening here on this site is that feeling seeping into the non-Movement Conservative wing of American politics like a foul smelling grease saturating the fabric of non-Movement Conservatism.

    I think that there is a creepy, eerily familiar feeling of dread and wariness, alternating with bursts of hope and confidence that can be talked up for a time into until it is punctured by that feeling of dread and discomfort.

    I can't help but notice the amount of 'I don't want to hear it' all around me. Not as much that sentiment being a part of the conversation here, although there is plenty of 'I don't want to hear it' online. But because I haven't been here as much over the last two months as I have been in the past, I've been seeing it in my everyday politicking with my neighbors and strangers that I meet. I mean in my everyday real world life. I believe I missed just how baked into the cake our facing another 2010 was because I was here too much and here is as much about bucking people up and not making you feel bad. This is where the picked on and the champions of the picked on go to feel safe and at home.

    The evil genius of the GOP, and Movement Conservatism, is that, if they fuck everything up long enough, they can get the public sick and tired of being sick and tired and in the mood to punish whoever is vulnerable to being punished. The GOP shits the bed, and the Democrats get the beating for it. Either because they couldn't clean up the messes quickly enough to return us to normalcy, or because the public doesn't want to hear who is to blame and who isn't they just want to hit somebody.

    I think we have hit that point where, barring a major scandal that breaks entirely on the GOP sometime in the Summer or Fall, we are in for a beatdown, the reasons for that beatdown are baked into the cake, and there is very little we can do about it but vote, do GOTV, and not quit even though there are ominous signs that shit is coming and its going to be bad.

    I spend four hours writing something for bobswerns diary last night, and I ended up not posting it. Mainly because I'm sick and tied of being sick and tired too. I have felt a lot of 'what's the point' as I've seen things go meta around here.

    The NRA angle brought it all back to me.

    Typical. Awful. Cancerous. All too familiar.  

    This NRA says boo! and Washington shudders. Things that should be easy peasy are climing mount Everest. The GOP is to blame. Movement Conservatism is to blame. The Democrats are trying to be reasonable and do good governance in the most bad faith fueled era of Movement Conservatism. This nasty cliched RW bit of business is just another thing that makes us livid, you go and tell somebody who is not as politically engaged as you are, and you find yourself shocked and pissed off as they roll your eyes and shake their heads.

    Legions expect this kind of shit, they are sick of it, they are pissed off about it, they want it to stop... and logic ends there. You have a closing window to make an argument from the day the last election is over, and when that window is closed sometimes you are just mercilessly tuned out no matter how compelling and accurate and right your case is.

    Because at that point you discover that 'we don't care who is to blame, your "facts" and "analysis" of why things suck is just you covering your ass. Now, we just want to punch somebody and feel better'.

    The Fireman, standing with his jaw slacked and eyes wide open, is utterly horrified to find that he is not only in a debate with a cult of arsonists about why things keep catching fire that makes people suffer and the system break down, but a losing one.

    There is an expectation that shit won't work, the system itself is a problem, it's not Movement Conservatism gumming up the works as much as it's government itself that doesn't work, and I keep encountering people who don't really give a shit about your "facts" and "data" and "explanations of who is to blame and who is not".  

    They just want to hit somebody in the face to feel better.

    The way the Senate races are stacked in terms of who is on defense and who needs to win what to take the majority from the current majority, that clearly benefits the GOP going into November.

    I can't shake the nagging feeling that 2014 is going to be an epic Democratic beatdown, and that it's been something that has been coming like a slow crawling tsunami on the horizon and, in hindsight, the signs that it was coming will be as screamingly obvious as the Las Vegas strip lights were back in the days when the Las Vegas strip was like a white dot in the middle of nothing.

    People are sick and tired of being sick and tired. The economy sucks for legions of people who have been in the shit for years living on hope that it was going to get better in the last few. The bad guys keep on keeping on.

    But here's the thing, and the NRA being able to hijack things they shouldn't be able to in a just world contributes to this.

    I think the feeling of being sick and tired of being sick and tired has reached the point where millions of Americans just don't want to hear the excuses. Even valid ones. Even if they are the gospel truth. It's not just Republican hacks who, if you point out that the ACA saves them thousands of dollars, just say 'I don't believe it. That can't be true, so I refuse to accept it as the truth". It is the insanity of American politics. Firemen getting beaten down instead of having more firemen put into the mix because there is a serial arson problem that won't go away and arsonists have more money and ways to paint firefighters as the problem. The logic of foodstamps is the reason why we have a hunger problem in America. Water is the reason people die of thirst. If you are sick, burn down the hospital, fire the doctors, and run to your local witch doctor or patent medicine wagon for aid.  

    And people who have been trying to fix the messes are going to take the bigger punch in the face. Because their jaws are the ones available to take the punch.

    Democrats have been too timid and too cowardly and too calculating and cautious for too long. This is like trying to beat cancer by scolding it. Maybe the GOP will do something so vile that it re-sets the stage and the clock before November. It is possible. It has happened before that GOP extremism goes to the well one time too many and it blows up in their faces.

    I dread November. I will do GOTV. I will send money to who I can. I will vote and help others get to the polls. I will damn the NRA when they do this kind of shit.

    And I will come here and get lectured about how people like me are the reason we lost the election because I obviously didn't vote or do anything to spare the Democrats the pain of the rout because the alternative would be to see the Democratic Party as it is. Inadequate for the job of checking, let alone rolling back, Movement Conservatism.

    I'm just dreading November because I think we need the GOP to save us from unfairly and unjustly taking the GOP's beating when it comes to who holds the majority in the US Senate. Maybe all the various Teahadi nominees will all find ways to comment on how sluttiness is a big part of why rape happens. Maybe this will be the cycle where somebody big in the GOP calls Obama the N word on tape and the whole party shits the bed on the blowback making things worse.

    It shouldn't be that way. But that is the way it is.

    If I had 90 Billion dollars I would put the Koch Brothers to shame, but I don't have 90 Billion dollars handy. The way our party has been doing things wasn't working before Citizen's United and it's really not working now. I don't believe we can wait for demographics to save us, because the way the Right is going they might destroy the nation before we get to the point where demographics trumps white resentment. All I can do is vote, donate, GOTV, and pray. Pray for better days. I'd rather have the fucking 90 billion dollars an army of lawyers and media experts at my beck and call.

    The power to tell Steve Israel and Debbie Wasserman Schultz to pound sand and hang up on them, or to announce on CNN that I would spend 100-200 million dollars every single election cycle on primarying House and Senate Democrats who get out of line on austerity and economic policies, is priceless when your party is wired to blame it's voters for its shortcomings and crack addicted to diet conservatism and punching hippies.


    “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.” — Auric Goldfinger

    by LeftHandedMan on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 03:34:47 PM PDT

    •  I'm sorry, Karen, If this is a disruption (2+ / 0-)

      of your diary.

      I'd have apologised to bobswern if I had posted one of these in his last night for the same reason.

      I'm sick and tired of feeling sick and tired too.

      I'm just not far gone enough to be damning the firefighters for the arson epidemic, but I will be venomous towards those who don't feel the need to even connect a hose let alone note there is arson afoot. I feel surrounded by low-information voters who do not care about anything but punishing somebody, even a person who is trying to help them, and as I see the point of tuning out explaining why things are the way they are has settled in, and as I don't see a Democratic Party that is equipt or even willing to change this sick cycle of spiraling down towards ruin because civility and bipartisanship and waving my Democratic Party banner while the world burns trumps calling cancer a tumor, I feel blue.

      “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.” — Auric Goldfinger

      by LeftHandedMan on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 04:21:41 PM PDT

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  •  The Democrats have let this monster grow (3+ / 0-)

    year after year. They've set back and coddled and compromised with the gun fanatics at every possible juncture. They've never developed a winning counter-strategy. So the gun nuts have understandably internalized a supreme confidence from victory after victory with little to no resistance, to the point where now they feel bold enough to vet Surgeon General nominees, or any other politician who isn't a gun fanatic just like them.

    "Nationalism, religious bigotry and feudal loyalty are far more powerful forces than…sanity." —George Orwell, “Wells, Hitler and the World State” (1941)

    by Blood on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 04:27:00 PM PDT

  •  I get it. (4+ / 0-)
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    I can see why the NRA has Dr. Murthy in their sights. If you treat gun violence as a public health issue, which it is, then some change in the status quo of gun regulations is the logical conclusion. The thing is, if one's goal is to drastically reduce the death and injury from guns, what Murthy has proposed is pretty weak tea. Nonetheless, he's a wildeyed radical, at least relative to the NRA's absolutist position.  

    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

    by Joe Bob on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 05:03:52 PM PDT

  •  Dr. Murthy seems to have more interest in (2+ / 0-)
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    gun control than in any other aspect of public health. Obama would do well to withdraw the nomination.

    •  This is based on a lengthy impartial evaluation (3+ / 0-)

      of all of Dr. Murthy's public statements and work history?

      •  You mean like this? (1+ / 0-)
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        Sharon Wraight

        Murthy is a physician at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston and a Hospitalist Attending Physician and Instructor in Medicine at Harvard Medical School. He is also a founder and president of Doctors for America, a group of 15,000 physicians and medical students supporting Obama in advocating for policy that would provide Americans with more affordable, accessible healthcare.

        In 2011, Murthy was appointed by U.S. President Barack Obama to serve on the U.S. Presidential Advisory Council on Prevention, Health Promotion, and Integrative and Public Health within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The group advises the National Prevention Council on developing strategies and partnerships to advance the nation's health.

        Murthy also has experience in creating information technology solutions to medical-related problems. He is co-founder and chairman of TrialNetworks, a cloud-based Clinical Trial Optimization System for pharmaceutical and biotechnology trials that improves the quality and efficiency of clinical trials to bring new drugs to market faster and more safely. He founded the company as Epernicus in 2008 to originally be a collaborative networking web platform for scientists to boost research productivity.

        Since 1995, he has also been a leader in H.I.V. prevention and AIDS education, co-founding and serving as president and chairman of a non-profit organization, Visions Worldwide, focused on that mission in the U.S and in India.He has been a prominent supporter of Obama's healthcare law.

        Nomination for Surgeon General
        Murthy was nominated by President Obama for the post of United States Surgeon General. Murthy's nomination was opposed by Senator Rand Paul and other Republicans who placed a hold on Murthy's nomination due to prior statements on gun control.

        He seems eminently qualified.

  •  I will tell you why (3+ / 0-)
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    The NRA has ~4 Million members, which in and off itself pretty impressive.  A remarkably large percentage of them have their congresscritter's phone number on speed dial in their phone and contact them regular on these matters.  

    Gun control groups are not very good in comparison at motivating their supporters.  

    I'm a 4 Freedoms Democrat.

    by DavidMS on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 05:18:36 PM PDT

    •  It's not all that impressive. Many of those 4 (1+ / 0-)
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      i saw an old tree today

      million members got Lifetime Memberships from Granpa for their 16th birthday 20 or 30 or 40 years ago and have no interest, one way or another, in the modern NRA.

      Others are members only to save on fees at the nearest range, or because they got a free years membership with a firearm purchase.

      The NRA is primarily a PAC, not a grass roots organization.

    •  On-point David, plus one other thing: (0+ / 0-)

      Anti-gun advocates are often multi-issue voters.

      Dear Congressman, I demand support of Dianne Feinstein's comprehensive AWB II.  It's far past the time for America to join the rest of the First World, and ban the majority of guns held in civilian hands.  It's far past the time for a living wage, for single-payer health care, and for government to mandate on-site child care be provided every worker, and not continue to stigmatize working women.
      All valid political viewpoints, however message dilution is the issue.

      Contrast to:

      Dear Congressman, if you vote for Feinstein's AWB II, I will do everything in my power to elect a true representative to this district.  
      God+Guns+Jobs = The American Way.
      Not a particularly nuanced position, yet one even a mouth-breather could understand.
  •  How far can this possibly go? (5+ / 0-)

    Voters tend to like polticians with an independent streak, enough that it makes up for a lot of other shortcomings. Exhibit A: John "Maverick" McCain.

    At some point there has to be a change where instead of getting ahead politically by kowtowing to the NRA, a politician wins by saying they aren't going to lick the NRA's boots every time they say to. If you're going to let the NRA dictate your vote on confirming the Surgeon General - we're not talking about a Supreme Court justice here - it makes you look spineless and afraid.

    Even more ridiculous is that where Democrats are concerned it doesn't matter how much they kiss the the NRA's ass. It's not like it will stop the NRA from endording their Republican opponent 99% of the time anyway. The best any Democrat can ever hope for from the NRA is benign neglect.

    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

    by Joe Bob on Sat Mar 15, 2014 at 05:21:25 PM PDT

    •  That's because no matter how sensible one (1+ / 0-)
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      individual Democrat is about guns, our caucus as a whole will always legislate against guns.

      It's like being pro choice and voting for a Republican, no matter how that Republican personally voted on the issue voting for him or her would do damage to your cause.

      How many votes do you think we will lose this election cycle?

      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Sun Mar 16, 2014 at 04:15:34 AM PDT

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