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The day after the executive director of RedState Women babbled about being busy and juggling things when asked about equal pay remedies, Texas Republicans sent out their executive director to try to fix things by at least being prepared for the question. Her answer, while better on style, wasn't much better on substance:
"Men are better negotiators," Beth Cubriel said on YNN’s "Capital Tonight." "I would encourage women, instead of pursuing the courts for action, to become better negotiators."
Right. Okay. Just negotiate! Never mind that you might not know what to ask for because, without passage of the Paycheck Fairness Act, it's easy for employers to keep pay information a secret. And even if you know exactly what you want and are prepared to negotiate, it's not that simple—at least, not if you're a woman:
... research shows that initiating negotiations while female can be dangerous business. In a 2007 study, Linda Babcock and Hannah Riley Bowles found that men and women were less likely to want to both hire and work with women who asked for raises; the go-getting femmes were perceived as demanding and uncollegial. Raise-seeking men, on the other hand, faced no backlash at all: Not only did the study participants tend to grant them lots of (hypothetical) perks, but socially their images went untarnished.
Also included in the Paycheck Fairness Act, the pay gap remedy that Republicans have been blocking for years? Funding for training women how to negotiate salaries.

But what if negotiation fails? What if an employer is simply determined to pay women less than men? Republicans don't have an answer beyond "don't take it to court." Which means their real answer is that pay inequities should continue. When you cut through the dodging and obfuscation, that's what Republican spokespeople are saying, again and again and again.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 08:53 AM PDT.

Also republished by TexKos-Messing with Texas with Nothing but Love for Texans and Daily Kos.

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  •  RNC version Priebus 2.2 (14+ / 0-)

    MARKETing our way to the majority, one denied minority voter at a time!

    On November 6, 2012, Mitt Romney finally convinced the 47% to take "personal responsibility and care for their lives"...and another 4% more agreed with them.

    by nmjardine on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 08:59:56 AM PDT

  •  In other words, women who get unequal pay (20+ / 0-)

    are at fault for getting unequal pay.

    GOP victim-blaming at its best.

    "Trust me... I've been right before." ~ Tea party patriot

    by Calvino Partigiani on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 09:04:14 AM PDT

  •  A method in their madness (4+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat, Mannie, scilicet, KellyB

    The reason for having women like Cari Christman speak out against equal pay is that they prove through their example that women such as themselves do not deserve equal pay.

  •  (having a) Peter Principle at work: (2+ / 0-)
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    Egalitare, Mannie

    male-identified false consciousness rationalizing the wage gap

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 10:06:57 AM PDT

  •  Suppose you were a Republican, and suppose (3+ / 0-)

    you were an idjit ... oh, wait .......

    LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

    by BlackSheep1 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 05:35:36 PM PDT

  •  Sara Palin, Michele Bachmann, Marsha Blackburn, (0+ / 0-)

    Beth Cubriel.

    Merica's real women.

    Put them out in the public often and long enough, Merica starts believin' this is normal human and female behavior.

    "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman.” - Arnold Schwarzenegger 2003

    by kerplunk on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 05:43:37 PM PDT

  •  Get on Linkedin, start a poll (0+ / 0-)

    about salaries. Use it in your interviews and salary negotiations. That's the future. It will take a while, but it's going to work. It's happening right now in my field.

    In the meantime, I believe in the fair pay act.

    "I feel badly about the kids," the unknown person said. "I guess." [but] "They are [only] the children of Buono voters," Wildstein replied.

    by plok on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 05:44:31 PM PDT

  •  Women aren't paid as much... (1+ / 0-)
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    Calvino Partigiani

    ...because they're not as quick to violence, especially gun violence.  They lack credibility in any contentious situation because only the possibility of violent death produces favorable outcomes in our country.  If government wanted to get serious about the wage gap, it would arm women and reduce the penalties for murder and attempted murder by women.

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 05:48:08 PM PDT

  •  To be fair, addressing the root cause (0+ / 0-)

    (any inappropriate social biases)  is a better fix than bandages trying to address the impacts of the root problem.

    I don't see how stating that "removing the social bias against woman negotiating would be more effective than a legalese bandage on that social wound" is controversial.

    (sorry for most likely shitting grammar its too late to bother figuring out the correct way to say that)

    That being said which is a better long term fix to remove that social stigma?

    1) Educating woman on how to be more aggressive in negotiating?

    2) Laws moderating the process.

    My random guess it would be more on the first and some of the latter.  Both sides have valid pro's and con's . Either way both seem to be legitimate opinion's . Why the demonization other than the fact that she is a not particularly well spoken republican?

  •  if two people (0+ / 0-)

    do the same job
    have been doing it the same amount of time
    are equally good at the job

    they should be paid the same period.

    what is the difference between industries and professions for men and women with similar experience?  

    are men and women typically drawn to different types of jobs?

    what is the pay game this year, compared to last year? 5 years ago?  10 years ago?

    is this pay gap shrinking as the older work force that's traditionally more male dominated retires and younger people come in?

    if the pay gap is shrinking, is the pace set to equalize income in the next couple of years?

    The Senate has no guts. The House has no brains.

    by gossamer1234 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 05:53:56 PM PDT

    •  oops (0+ / 0-)

      "pay gap" not "pay game"

      and "what is the difference within industries and professions" not "between"

      The Senate has no guts. The House has no brains.

      by gossamer1234 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 05:56:18 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Two people doing the same job , (0+ / 0-)

      one does the job great but sucks at negotiation
      the other sucks at the job but is great at negotiation .

      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

      by indycam on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 06:17:29 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  marketing yourself (0+ / 0-)

        is definitely a must for everyone.

        one would hope that eventually the terrible worker would be found out.  also, for a company to be really very good they need a decent way to evaluate employees

        The Senate has no guts. The House has no brains.

        by gossamer1234 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 06:46:11 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I worked with a very timid Japanese girl (0+ / 0-)

          she was great at her job but was almost 100% wordless .
          I don't think she could go into a restaurant and order food .
          I've worked with people who would bullshit up down and sideways . An ex airforce trained electronics repair expert was hired by the boss , the guy could not fix a machine for months , day after day of bullshit , I went to the boss and said I'm sick of it , get it off his desk and give it to me . The machine had the original problem it came in with and a bunch the "expert" put in . It took me a few days to figure it all out .
          After the thing got sent out the expert came to me and told me he would lie because he needed to feed his son .

          "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

          by indycam on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 07:04:07 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  eventually (0+ / 0-)

            he will sink.  my brother-in-law is captain BS.  once people figure it out it's curtains.  

            i work with a guy that is too quiet and i try to coax him to talk to people and ask questions. he prefers to do his work and go home.  go unnoticed.  that's not good. when layoffs come around you seem to be expendable.  when promotions are around nobody knows you.

            ideally good qcrs and evaluations will let the cream rise, but you can't count on that.

            but there needs to be a system in place that prevents discrimination due to no fault of your own.

            The Senate has no guts. The House has no brains.

            by gossamer1234 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 07:17:38 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  She's probably referring to 2nd amendment (1+ / 0-)
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    Rich in PA

    negotiating skills. Seems to be what everything boils down to in goppyworld.

    I'll tell you right out, I am a man who likes talking to a man who likes to talk. - Kasper Gutman

    by rasbobbo on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 05:58:30 PM PDT

  •  Just more blaming the victim (3+ / 0-)

    A conservative's default, go to position. If you knew how to negotiate, you could make what you're worth but since your gender makes you a crappy negotiator, (eye roll), it's your own fucking fault because....freedom or something. Notice how she engages in sexism while blaming the victims, hitting two conservative dog whistles at the same time. Despicable.

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 06:10:45 PM PDT

  •  Self-hatred? (1+ / 0-)
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    starduster

    How else to explain women (or anyone who isn't a rich, straight, white, christian, sociopathic, male neanderthal) who vote Republican?

    I just don't get it.

    "Give to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." - Robert G. Ingersoll

    by Apost8 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 06:21:58 PM PDT

  •  First thing I thought of when I read this title (0+ / 0-)

    How many of these ghastly Republicans, 'conservatives', Teabaggers have a secret in the closet that they just don't talk about?

    For starters: ALL of them. Just a wild guess.

    "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

    by DaddyO on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 06:31:28 PM PDT

  •  Wasn't the 'women are paid less than men' (0+ / 0-)

    thing debunked a few weeks ago?

  •  What strikes me (0+ / 0-)

    is people I know mostly don't get raises.  Women, men, black, white, brown, still making what they made 5 years ago.  That's what "negotiating" has gotten them.  Organizing and striking has its risks, but  it has potential rewards as well, that never come to those who do things the establishment way of "rugged individualism".  Unless of course you're part of the establishment, then you have a right to an ever-growing piece of the pie.

    Pay no attention to the upward redistribution of wealth!

    by ActivistGuy on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 06:57:50 PM PDT

  •  She has a certain point -- in a good economy (0+ / 0-)

    Negotiations work better from a position of strength, and strength requires options.

    In a nasty economy with people lined up to take your place, negotiations are not likely to be very satisfying or production without unique skills or qualities.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 07:01:03 PM PDT

  •  I simply cannot fathom (1+ / 0-)
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    starduster

    how the GOP gets these women to carry water for them.  It is completely without reason that women are Republicans.

    "Life isn't fair, but government should be." Ann Richards

    by KellyB on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 07:07:14 PM PDT

  •  well now (0+ / 0-)

    it didn't take a political genius to come up with that solution to the income disparity in texas.

    sometimes they do things big in texas and sometimes not.

    save america defeat all republicans and conservatives

  •  Asking for a raise is the LAST concern (1+ / 0-)
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    gardnerhill

    Before women can ask for higher pay, they must overcome many hurdles created by supervisory and coworker bias; for example:

    * Bosses who deny women resources to perform their duties even when they ask and the need is obvious. * * Coworkers and graduate students who sabotage their studies and work in progress.
    * Bosses who routinely give women marginal assignments that are not critical to the company's bottom line and therefore least likely to support a claim for higher pay.
    * Coworkers who share important information with each other but leave women out of the loop.

    The list is long and every element makes it harder for women to justify a claim for higher pay.

  •  Busy women are an ideological bind (1+ / 0-)
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    starduster

    It is an issue on which the Republicans not only can't win but they should be hung out to dry on.

    1. They can't come out and say that they support inequitable pay for women so the allude to supporting the general idea that women should maybe sort of, kinda be paid something in the vicinity of men's GOD GIVEN payscales.

    2. But, by ideological fiat any intervention in the magic of the "free market" by the courts or government regulation is a bad, job killing, freedom smashing, EVIL thing.

    So putting 1 and 2 together -- women we are just too darn busy to worry about not getting fair pay and if we do, well we should negotiate better and let the free market you know do what it does....

    And of course lets not forget PLAN B: hey, women are busy with busy lives so they are just too busy vote so let's just overturn suffrage before 2014. And women can use that extra time to become better negotiators.

     

  •  results of when women try to negotiate (0+ / 0-)

    http://www.slate.com/...

    I am certain had she been male there would have been a counteroffer - women are not supposed to make demands.

    The playing field is not level.

    hope this posts right

    •  job offer rescinded (0+ / 0-)

      Providence - I was just going to post this.  As appalling as the story of this incident is, the comments where so many are defending the college for simply pulling out without even telling the candidate that the offer is take it or leave it are just as bad.  This issues deals with a woman offered a tenure-track assistant professorship (a rarity these days) who negotiates for several perqs.  Instead of responding to her counter-offer, the college summarily pulled the offer.

      •  well (0+ / 0-)

        it has been my experience in my professional life - men were expected to negotiate and often these negotiations took weeks of maybe - no - ok.  

         I even watched the board take the job (which I was already working and we were hiring another engineer) and increase the salary on their own when the chosen candidate said no he would not take a pay cut AND pay our outrageous insurance to work there.   It never occurred to me to negotiate my pay since the rule was to add up your experience years and then place you on the pay scale - seemed all very equitable until he showed up with his negotiation.  As a woman I just didn't feel that powerful

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