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Ken Langone, not just any asshole, but Andrew Cuomo's asshole friend
We already saw this early this morning:
"I hope it’s not working," Ken Langone, the billionaire co-founder of Home Depot and major GOP donor, said of populist political appeals. "Because if you go back to 1933, with different words, this is what Hitler was saying in Germany. You don’t survive as a society if you encourage and thrive on envy or jealousy."
Would it surprise you to find out that he's tight with New York pretend-Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo?
Since January, “Republicans for Cuomo”—a group chaired by Home Depot co-founder Ken Langone—has held at least three events at which the governor pitched potential G.O.P. supporters, wooing them with talk of spending and tax cuts and economic development incentives.
That whole article is a brutal indictment of Cuomo—happy to cozy up with Republicans at $50,000-a-head fundraisers and undermining Democratic efforts to take outright control of the state Senate (currently in GOP hands thanks to renegade Democrats).
And Cuomo continues to maintain a strong relationship with the State Senate Republicans, declining to offer even a gesture of help to the Democrats hope to re-take control from the current coalition running the chamber.
All of this might make sense in a place like Alabama or Kansas. But this is New York, where Republicans are irrelevant. Or would be irrelevant if Cuomo hadn't signed a Republican gerrymander of the Senate in order to keep them in power. Apparently, he thinks that playing footsie with Republicans and using the state Senate to block progressive legislation is the way to the White House, with Ken "liberals are just like Hitler" Langone bankrolling him all along the way.

His father's last name will keep him going in New York. But I can't wait for the day he announces a presidential bid, because we haven't had this good a villain since Joe Lieberman.

Originally posted to kos on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:05 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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    •  Andrew Cuomo, who read the 25-Point Program (2+ / 0-)
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      wintergreen8694, TKO333

      that Adolf Hitler put out in 1920 and probably misread the context as with Ken Langone and Dear Leader.

      Hitler ran a False Front operation, taking over Socialist and Left Nationalist propaganda items that he used to build the 3,000,000 member Brown Shirt operation, the Sturmabteilung. (We have the same thing, known as the "Birch Society" or "Tea Party.") He weakened the Socialists. He absorbed the nationalists.

      By 1933 he converted the Nazi Party to a hard Right Wing pro-industry party with no notion of nationalizations or wealth sharing.

      Langone misplaces the 25-Points to 1933.

      By then, on January 30th, Hitler was taking over the state as Chancellor. Here is what Langone is responding to (a Fordham University summary of the 1920 document through #23):

      1. Unification of Greater Germany (Austria + Germany)
      2. Land + expansion
      3. Anti-Versailles - abrogation of the Treaty.
      4. Land and territory - lebensraum.
      5. Only a "member of the race" can be a citizen.
      6. Anti-semitism - No Jew can be a member of the race.
      7. Anti-foreigner - only citizens can live in Germany.
      8. No immigration - ref. to Jews fleeing East European pograms.
      9. Everyone must work.
      10. Abolition of unearned income - "no rent-slavery" (quoting Karl Marx.)
      11. Nationalisation of industry
      12. Divison of profits
      13. Extension of old age welfare.
      14. Land reform
      15. Death to all criminals
      16. German law, not Roman law (anti- French Rev.)
      17. Education to teach "the German Way"
      18. Education of gifted children
      19. Protection of mother and child by outlawing child labour.
      20. Encouraging gymnastics and swimming
      21. Formation of a national army.
      22. Duty of the state to provide for its volk.
      23. Duty of individuals to the state
      24. Freedom of religion -- limited to religions that support the state
      25. Foundation of a Reich unifying state and folk
      Langone thinks that Occupy Wall Street espouses 25-Point Program items. Where he got that crap is a mystery. The Koch brothers believe worse, but not by much. You also got a lot of this at CPAC 2014.

      "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- Rand Paul Ryan

      by waterstreet2013 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 12:28:52 PM PDT

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  •  Like: (16+ / 0-)

    Working for Pepsi and coming to work in a Coke shirt.

    "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

    by Eternal Hope on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:08:09 AM PDT

  •  Markos, when will they stop projecting? n/t (12+ / 0-)

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:08:10 AM PDT

  •  they don't call it Home Despot for nothing (11+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:09:24 AM PDT

  •  I'm tired of the ability of politicians to (25+ / 0-)

    use our feckless Media to confuse, or worse, outright lie, to Voters on matters small and large.

    Fox News won a court case giving them legal cover TO LIE TO VIEWERS, if they want to.

    That's how we end up with pols like Cuomo.

    I want a real Free Press again. I'm old enough, I remember when we still had one.


    "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization"

    by Angie in WA State on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:11:57 AM PDT

    •  It's not just lie ... (20+ / 0-)

      Cuomo has always been the 2nd coming of Evan Bayh ... in fact .. he is Evan Bayh .. another scumbag son of a liberal lion who by all rights should be a GOPer .. but wants what comes with the family name .. and then to shit all over it

    •  Follow Michael Powell in NYT (2+ / 0-)
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      for more Cuomo shenanigans.  Good piece about the fake budget in today's NYT.  

      •  There's a few statewide that hit him hard. (0+ / 0-)

        Fred LeBrun in Albany also comes to mind.  Maybe, possibly, every once Bill Hammond when he's not too busy beating up on government workers or those on welfare.  And Fred Dicker, but Dicker is little more than a wannabe right wing shock jock that tries to paint Cuomo is "far left."  As if.

        But most of the statewide press - including and especially the vast majority of Capitol press corps - do little more than throw him softballs.  Lots and lots of softballs.

        "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

        by Darth Stateworker on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 09:28:06 PM PDT

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    •  He didn't have to lie very hard. (0+ / 0-)

      His opponent was this guy.

      Most of us knew what we were getting in Cuomo. And our State Senate has been a cesspool as long as I can remember, long before Cuomo was even a candidate for Governor. Doesn't make it any better, but this time it's really not the media's fault.

      What we need is someone to challenge Cuomo from the left, not necessarily in a primary (though I and many others would certainly vote for such a challenger), but on the issues, in the public discourse. I wish that our new mayor would step into that role, but I have no illusions about him, either.

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 06:53:44 AM PDT

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  •  I take it that this diary means that Andrew Cuomo (24+ / 0-)

    is one of the "bad" Democrats we're not obligated to support?

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:15:35 AM PDT

    •  surprised to read that from you. n/t (3+ / 0-)


      "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization"

      by Angie in WA State on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:19:12 AM PDT

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      •  Why? Lord knows I'm not defending (17+ / 0-)

        fucking Andrew Cuomo. If that's how you read my comment, let me explicitly state that I detest him. No disagreement from me that he's prominent among the "bad" ones.

        I'm just curious about who exactly is the political Santa Clause, deciding which Democrats are naughty and which are nice.

        When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

        by PhilJD on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:28:15 AM PDT

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        •  Or the Sanity Clause (11+ / 0-)

          Or Santa Claus.

          "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

          by Bob Johnson on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:30:16 AM PDT

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        •  That ought to be obvious since its been stated (12+ / 0-)

          That actually is pretty obvious. Kos and everyone else on the "more and better Democrats" line argue every god damned day that no one should support a blue dog democrat or a quasi Republican democrat in a blue state where it isn't necessary.  

          So: since NY is a blue state Cuomo should be primaried hard, and from the left, every chance we get.  That's not only obvious its been the site's perspective, pretty much always.  

          If you want to do that--go right ahead. I don't think anyone here will criticize you for it.  Its really pretty obvious.

          •  well except (1+ / 0-)
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            kos has stated he's all in for hillary and ao is the blog.  Hillary is joe lieberman in a pants suit.  

            "It rubs the lotion on its skin" is not effective coalition building.

            by Nada Lemming on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 01:59:44 PM PDT

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            •  Your analogy doesn't really work (3+ / 0-)
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              Sylv, Sir Roderick, La Gitane

              NY is a blue state: even a contested democratic primary ought not to throw the election of governor to a republican.  Is the same thing true for the entire country? Is the entire country Blue? No.  
              The country as a whole is not, in fact, liberal or left.  HRC or whoever the Democrats run, in the end, has to capture a whole lot of people, even people who don't think they are dems.  

              •  Not entirely correct: (1+ / 0-)
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                The country as a whole is, in fact, liberal. They just don't know it.

                Poll after poll shows that the majority of Americans support policies that we here would describe as "liberal". But only if it doesn't have that label on it.

                Because the RW has poisoned the well with regard to any descriptor that people on the left might use for themselves, they have essentially robbed us of the ability to advocate for our own positions. If most people hear those positions described out of the context of left-right politics, they like them.

                "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

                by sidnora on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 07:00:16 AM PDT

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        •  a functioning brain should alert you (0+ / 0-)
        •  ...sigh... (3+ / 0-)
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          Sylv, PhilJD, La Gitane

          You've been a very 'moderate' and level-headed person, as long as I've seen you posting here at DK, for years now.

          Just didn't expect to see you caught up in what looks like a base-level ideological ongoing pie fight. About Hillary in 2016 of all things.

          Yes, I saw the diary Kos wrote. He's nothing, if not a pragmatist, he seeks electoral victories with a (D) at the end of them.

          I agree with him for the most part, although a Clinton would not be my first choice, speaking honestly. What concerns me most is that our more liberal and progressive base here at Daily Kos not go the way of the Republican Party and split or splinter just when #StrongerTogether could mean an historic victory, putting the Republicans on the sidelines for a couple of decades.

          The complete and utter ruin of what used to be a moderately conservative Party is arising before our eyes. Even the MSM no longer fears calling lying GOP leadership "liars" in print or on television, mostly because the fallout of Koch-funded bullshit #Obamacare horror stories turned out to be media actually reporting their debunking.

          To top it off, it's 2014 and a critical mid-term is only a few months away. We could lose the Senate to the crazy fucking TBagRs. What do the next six years look like if that happens?

          So, yeah, I was surprised to read you saying that.

          :-(


          "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization"

          by Angie in WA State on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 02:50:43 PM PDT

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          •  There was a real point behind my sarcasm. (1+ / 0-)
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            I really don't understand--no sarcasm now--how we are to determine just which democrats are too conservative--too "pseudo," to use kos' term--to merit support.

            Presumably, even Andrew Cuomo has some support here, though thankfully, I doubt it's very much. More to the point, he must have considerable support in New York or he would never have been nominated or elected. Are the people who voted for him, especially in the primary, "pseudo-Democrats" as well? Are we justified in rejecting their decision out-of-hand?

            How are we to know?

            And yes, this is a roundabout way of saying I'll find it very difficult to vote for Hillary Clinton if she indeed is the Democratic nominee in 2016.

            I'm sorry, but my opposition to the destruction of Iraq was neither transitory nor something to be mitigated by other concerns.

            Ms. Clinton's support for that immoral war is a deal-killer for me, until such time as she convincingly renounces it. "Convincingly" means for me her acknowledgement that she knew full well there were no WMDs in Iraq and voted to authorize our intervention anyway, for reasons of craven political calculation. A politician can--I guess--be redeemed from that sort of cynical vote, but only by means of sincere, heartfelt and brutally honest apology. It's not enough for her to "admit" she fucked up; she needs to explain without spin exactly why she did it.

            The alternative--that she truly believed the lies of Powell, Bush et al--is a deal-killer in a different way. I knew beyond any doubt that the lies were lies; I would have bet my house and my cats that nothing would be found, with complete confidence in winning that bet. If Clinton somehow looked at the same facts and managed to draw a different conclusion, she simply isn't qualified to be the leader of the sole remaining superpower.

            Which brings me back to the comment that surprised you. If it's "acceptable" for markos to reject Cuomo as too conservative, why is it less acceptable for me to reject Ms. Clinton for reasons that are equally compelling to me?

            Who decides?

            When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

            by PhilJD on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 03:59:01 PM PDT

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            •  You misunderstood me (1+ / 0-)
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              PhilJD

              I did not, and do not, object to your rejection of Clinton, those reasons you note were part of why I supported Obama from the early days of 2006, way before he announced officially.

              What concerns me is this mindset lately which brings Users to a "with us or against us" stance, and that includes Kos, if he can't articulate what appears to me to be pragmatism, but obviously looks a lot like STFU to many other readers, in a more comprehensible fashion.

              Simply put, why can't we all just get along a bit more like we used to, round here?

              Me, I just want to put 2016 on the backburner and focus on 2014. Far too many big issues are on the table right now (comprehensive immigration reform, net neutrality, voter suppression) with deep, and long-lasting implications, to ignore this mid-term election over a candidate who may not even run in two years.


              "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization"

              by Angie in WA State on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 04:44:37 PM PDT

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              •  Fair enough. I'm especially glad (4+ / 0-)

                you included this:

                obviously looks a lot like STFU to many other readers
                It's been very discouraging how many Kossacks have insisted that those of us who hear STFU are simply, demonstrably, stupidly wrong, rather than drawing a different--perhaps wrong, but defensible--conclusion from the same data.

                When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

                by PhilJD on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 04:56:12 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  well then, guess my diary for tomorrow (1+ / 0-)
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                  PhilJD

                  is going to be more of the same as yesterday's...

                  We all on the Left need to make 2014 the year a disorganized national coalition of liberal, progressive and moderates get their collective shit together under the #StrongerTogether banner - and change the face (and hopefully the policies) of our Congress.

                  Good talking with you.


                  "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization"

                  by Angie in WA State on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 06:17:49 PM PDT

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            •  To interject (1+ / 0-)
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              PhilJD

              on this question:

              Are the people who voted for him, especially in the primary, "pseudo-Democrats" as well?  Are we justified in rejecting their decision out-of-hand?
              1.  There was no primary.  Cuomo bullied Paterson - the sitting Democratic governor - out of one before it even started.

              2.  People voted for him in large part not because of his liberalism, but due to name recognition.  Remember most people simply are not as tuned in to politics as people like us that post on political blogs are.  We are the minority, not the majority.  As such, a tool with a legendary liberal name can easily win in a liberal state.

              3.  As a New Yorker, I can say that yes, you are absolutely justified in rejecting Andrew Cuomo even if you're from out-of-state - largely because of 1 and 2 above.  

              At the end of the day, it's not just turnout of voters that matters.  It's how informed those who turn out are.  Cuomos veritable coronation in NY is a prime example of that.  Paterson, for the most part, was a huge bumbling tool, but he was far more Democratic than Andrew fuckin Cuomo is or ever was.  Not that that's saying much.

              "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

              by Darth Stateworker on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 09:38:11 PM PDT

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    •  Dude. (1+ / 0-)

      Get. Over. It.

      "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

      by raptavio on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:42:08 AM PDT

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  •  There's nothing to "pretend" (12+ / 0-)

    He's a fine Reagan Democrat.

    Obama: self-described Republican; backed up by right-wing policies

    by The Dead Man on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:16:38 AM PDT

  •  He's a complete sell out (17+ / 0-)

    The only reason we don't have fracking is because of the number of tireless activists in the state. He's ready to allow exploding trains full of N Dakota crude in to the Port of Albany - silently altering regulations to let it happen.

    Don't even get me started on his assault on the education system on behalf of privatizers....

    Next step is to examine his campaign donors a little more closely.

    This guy embodies the term 'DINO'

    By the way, his bud up there looks like the nuclear plant owner in the Simpsons.

    Helping a food pantry on the Cheyenne River Reservation,Okiciyap.

    by betson08 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:22:20 AM PDT

  •  Republicans for Cuomo (18+ / 0-)

    I think that this article undermines a lot of the critiques penned so far against Adolph Reed's piece on the left in American politics. If Cuomo is a Democrat in good standing, one who will re-elections handily (unchallenged, too), then we can't really say that the left is "winning" the battle for the Democratic Party.

    My favorite thing about Cuomo is still the time when he compared his opposition to the millionaire's tax to his father's opposition to the death penalty.

    •  Ugh. (0+ / 0-)

      Did you have to remind me about that quote?

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 07:04:14 AM PDT

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  •  Here's my question... (8+ / 0-)

    Is Cuomo any worse than Hillary Clinton?

    "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

    by Bob Johnson on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:25:29 AM PDT

  •  Son, there is now way..... (3+ / 0-)

    ......NO WAY....that you could have come from my loins!- Mario Cuomo

  •  'E looks a lot like Cheney, ya know? (nt) (0+ / 0-)

    ". . .as singularly embarrassing a public address as any allegedly sentient primate ever has delivered." - Charles P. Pierce

    by Rikon Snow on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:32:52 AM PDT

  •  Did Cuomo miss the part about primaries? (2+ / 0-)
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    eom

    "Harass us, because we really do pay attention. Look at who's on the ballot, and vote for the candidate you agree with the most. The next time, you get better choices." - Barney Frank

    by anonevent on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:33:01 AM PDT

  •  Confirms (9+ / 0-)

    my desire NEVER TO SHOP at his Crappy Home Improvement Stores.. Hate Home Depot.  Hope more people call out Cuomo for the fake Democrat that he is.

    Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

    by Caniac41 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:33:03 AM PDT

    •  Where to go? (1+ / 0-)
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      I still won't go to Lowe's

      Lowe's pulls advertising from TLC's 'All-American Muslim'

      Lowe's has pulled its advertising from the reality TV show "All-American Muslim," which the retail store called a "lightning rod."

      "All-American Muslim" is an eight-part series that follows five Muslim families living in Dearborn, Michigan.

      ...

      The conservative Florida Family Association, which is pushing advertisers to drop "All-American Muslim," cheered Lowe's decision. The group called the TLC show "propaganda that riskily hides the Islamic agenda's clear and present danger to American liberties and traditional values."

      http://www.cnn.com/...

      I refuse to support a company that completely folds under pressure by hate groups, and FFA is designated a hate group by Southern Poverty Law Center.

      I like Ace Hardware, my local(ish) lumber store, Sears, and Amazon. But sometimes, even between all of them, it's hard to get what you need when you're in the middle of a project other than HD.

      Tough Decisions....  

      I won't do business with apologists for racists and bigots

      It's been almost 2.5 years, and Lowe's never apologized for that cowardly stunt either.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:59:25 AM PDT

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  •  Cuomo is not a bad democrat, he (3+ / 0-)

    is a bad republican.  

  •  todays newsday (2+ / 0-)
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    On long island mentions daily kos in an article about this

    Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote.

    by Renie57 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:38:17 AM PDT

  •  Well, Langone is the guy (15+ / 0-)

    who is trying to pressure the Pope:

    Billionaire Home Depot Founder Says Pope Francis Is Alienating The Rich

    A major Republican donor, Langone told CNBC in a story published online Monday that wealthy people such as himself might stop giving to charity if the Pope continues to make statements criticizing capitalism and income inequality.

    Langone said he was worried the Pope's comments about an "exclusionary" "culture of prosperity" that may make some of the rich "incapable of feeling compassion for the poor."

    Langone, who is leading an effort to raise money for the restoration of St. Patrick's Cathedral in Manhattan said he relayed these concerns to Cardinal Timothy Dolan in New York. Specifically, Langone said he told the church leader he spoke to a donor who could give millions of dollars to the cathedral project but was worried about the Pope's "exclusionary" remarks.

    "I've told the cardinal, 'Your Eminence, this is one more hurdle I hope we don't have to deal with. You want to be careful about generalities. Rich people in one country don't act the same as rich people in another country,'" said Langone.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/...

    The guy is about as subtle as an ox, eh?

    So yeah, his attempts to influence a mere Dem governor doesn't even make me blink.

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:42:09 AM PDT

    •  "the rich incapable of feeling compassion for (4+ / 0-)
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      the poor". How true. Asshole.

      •  I don't believe this is entirely true. (3+ / 0-)
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        There are compassionate wealthy people. They're just not out there making headlines for being flaming jerks.

        We never hear of them because they're just living their lives and being compassionate outside the glare of media's spotlight.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 12:02:57 PM PDT

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        •  It was a quote from the Home Depot guy (1+ / 0-)
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          explaining what the pope's comments on income inequality will do if the pope won't STFU.

        •  And sorry. I did overgeneralize. (1+ / 0-)
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        •  These days, I prefer to consider all rich (2+ / 0-)
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          guilty of crimes against the environment and humanity, until proven otherwise.

          If the Republicans could do this to government and public employees, teachers, union members, middle class (and lower income) people, immigrants, people of colour and women - ALL in fealty to the richest who they mutually enable - then, I think the wealthy can use a black eye in the public square as a starting point, to show that they truly are not worthy of worship and/or unsuppressed political power.

          "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

          by wader on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 12:34:34 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I prefer to presume (2+ / 0-)
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            wader, Sir Roderick

            people are decent until proven otherwise.

            I'm not naive. I don't trust easily. But I see no reason to jump to the conclusion that a human being is inherently evil without even interacting with him.

            Republicans hate first; then, maybe they ask questions later. Often, they hate people because they're poor. I'm not sure your approach is much different, but simply the inverse process.

            Anyhow, this is one of the reasons I'm a liberal. I genuinely like people. I want good for all people. I just won't judge someone for the contents of their wallet, whether it's a black AmEx card or food stamps.

            That's just me though. YMMV.

            © grover


            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 02:04:47 PM PDT

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            •  I've known - and still know - many wealthy (2+ / 0-)
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              people.  A good number are decent enough people who are not killing the environment or oppressing workers.  A large percentage are making their money from within a greater system that does foment such things, but I have a tough time associating them with malicious or uncaring behavior towards others/the planet.  These acquaintances run from incomes of many hundreds of thousands/year to millions+/per year.

              So, let me attempt to clarify my earlier point: I am socially liberal and try to follow the golden rule - this means that most people get at least a glass half-full opportunity when I first encounter them.  Further, I try to find the positive in folks, despite any obvious points that I also find in the negative range.

              However, the super-rich are on a different cultural plateau by choice: they have obtained both a level of possible comfort and associated, public acknowledgement of their semi-deified status simply due to their wealth - at least since Reagan's cultural revolution.

              And, no mistake about it: some of the wealthiest people are our primary enemies of fair politics and a healthy, equitably shared environment.  Republicans at the federal level are merely a symptom - leeches and sycophants - of the most wealthy.  Church leaders who have fallen into the demonization trap?  Stems from political dealings with Republicans and shared, monied backers in the later 70s, onwards.  As it has ever been, there are classes of politicians and their aligned businesspeople who will serve only the monied masters, out of pure self-interest.

              Levels of celebrity now granted the super-rich places them in positions of power to manipulate our societal views of public workers, educators, union members, the poor, so-called minorities, etc. through Republican-led politics, such that 30+ years of incessant programming through 24x7 news and manipulated traditional media outlets has broken the Overton Window, it's been moved so far rightward.  This is not mere theory: it's the primary reason Republicans have become as extreme as they are: they've been enabled.

              That celebrity comes with a potential downfall, though: they can be idolized, but they can also be vilified just as fairly.

              Until individual super-rich people prove themselves not to be highly dangerous influences on society and our system of government, I think they should expect an emerging cultural movement which no longer admires or even worships their prestige, but instead recognizes them as primary backers of most problems seen in government towards fair use of taxes towards people, infrastructure and the environment.  It's not just the super-rich, but that's a starting point for such a sea-change in perception of their undue manipulation of government for the common good, I feel.

              Therefore, as a liberal with a reality-based bent and marketing background, I really don't mind demonizing their caste for awhile: a little blowback against the demons on Mt. Olympus seems more than warranted, even if some of them may be less dangerous than others.  And, such a social campaign will easily bring out the truly worst actors in their midst, as we've already seen that simple reporting of the worst manipulations of our government's role brings out Nazi comparisons among some of those who should be identified as part of the problem - while not concentrating on those who are otherwise out of the picture.

              "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

              by wader on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 03:26:31 PM PDT

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      •  I hate defending him but.... (0+ / 0-)

        ....his criticisms are ones of economics and taxation.  He holds policy positions worth of condemning and unfortunately supports candidates (mostly Republicans) who feel the same as him.

        On the other hand it is incorrect to say he is a man without compassion.  His charitable giving has been exemplary and he's given so many hundreds of millions of dollars to NYU Medical Center that they named it after him.  And is now why they are now ranked up there with New York Presbyterian and Mount Sinai as one of the best hospitals in New York.

        His political views may be loathsome but that said the man himself does have a heart even if it's at times point in the wrong places.

        The lady was enchanted and said they ought to see. So they charged her with subversion and made her watch TV -Spirogyra

        by Taget on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 03:08:11 PM PDT

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        •  That's not heart. (1+ / 0-)
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          That's pragmatically looking for a tax write-off.

          "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

          by Darth Stateworker on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 03:41:57 PM PDT

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    •  'rich people in one country dont act the same as (2+ / 0-)
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      rich  people in another country'

      Thats right, ours are worse.

      No doubt this creep has a grubby soul mate in Timothy Dolan.

      •  I don't think this is true: (1+ / 0-)
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        Thats right, ours are worse.
        not on an international level. Sure there are many countries where the rich, as a group, act in a more civilized manner because the government is structured so that they have to. And there are many countries where they act much worse.

        If you look down the list of the richest people on the planet, many of them are in oil, coal, mining, banking, commodities, etc. Those probably aren't folks who are doing what's best for the little people in their countries.

        We hate many of our rich people. We think they're the worst. But there are plenty of bad people spread over the globe. Many are rich.  And in many of those countries, the poverty level is catastrophically high.

        We have many rich bad guys (and women). But we certainly don't have a monopoly on them.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 12:37:27 PM PDT

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  •  cuomo & friends make Hillary look Liberal (5+ / 0-)

    which she isn't but she is better than repub lite cuomo

  •  Just like with Elvis, ... (0+ / 0-)

    everyone wants to be a Hitler impersonator these days and step on my blue suede shoes.


    I travel back in time to get a running start on the future.

    by glb3 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:46:09 AM PDT

  •  The 1% Continues To Embrace Nazi Propaganda (9+ / 0-)

    The themes of saving the fatherland from "envy" and "class warfare" and "jealousy" are direct quotes from Joseph Goebbels.  

    And there is a war on. We hate them from the bottom of our souls because they threaten our very life, because they oppose our national existence out of envy, jealousy, and ill-concealed national pride.
    -Joseph Goebbels (1933)
    The themes of saving the fatherland from "envy" and "class warfare" showed up repeatedly in Nazi propaganda.
    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    I have been chronicling this for years - these extreme nutjobs started using this strategy with Glenn Beck:
    1) Lie about what Hitler said (say Hitler was for "social justice," and MLK wasn't)
    2) Quote Hitler's word as your own ideas.
    3) Claim that your plagiarized Hitler quote is fighting Fascism.

    I keep wondering - where is the physical playbook? This is clearly the Kochs and their dad's John Birch Society legacy.  Is there an actual playbook using the word "Fascism" to define their goal?

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:50:23 AM PDT

  •  Ken Langone long long history of stupid (5+ / 0-)
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    Most recently with the Pope

    http://www.allvoices.com/...

     

    Pope Francis 'inequality' talk offends Home Depot co-founder, billionaire Ken Langone

    -------------------snip---------------------

    Langone discussed the pope on CNBC this week and expressed that he is not feeling the love from the pope. By implication, Langone is threatening to "cutoff" the pope and the Roman Catholic Church from his genorosity.

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:52:24 AM PDT

  •  Funny thing about Hitler ... (6+ / 0-)

    ... was that he was loved by the 1% of his time. The gentile 1% I should say.

    I am always amazed when they try to smear populists by comparing them to Hitler and Fascists. I mean, they have the Communists right just sitting there! But you gotta pick one! You cannot keep switching back and forth!

    Please do not be alarmed. We are about to engage... the nozzle.

    by Terrapin on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:55:19 AM PDT

  •  And some wonder why I have had enough (0+ / 0-)

    it's the same old same old, money doesn't  talk; money screams loudly and issues orders

    "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

    by LaFeminista on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:55:26 AM PDT

  •  Aren't envy and jealousy (2+ / 0-)
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    some of the motivating factors behind capitalistic competition? You would think Mr. Home Depot would approve, just as long they are envious and jealous of him.

    "Labor was the first price, the original purchase - money that was paid for all things" -- Adam Smith

    by HugoDog on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:58:15 AM PDT

  •  If someone were to ask me... (4+ / 0-)

    why I'm a Democrat or what it means to be a Democrat, I would point them to read or listen to Mario Cuomo's 1984 DNC keynote speech.

    Is it possible that his own son never heard the speech?

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 11:59:37 AM PDT

  •  "villian", indeed (0+ / 0-)

    nothing makes the blood boil like a back-stabbing, dirty-dealing lieberdem

  •  As one sitting in upstate NY (9+ / 0-)

    Gov A Cuomo is 100% better than anything the Republicans working hand in glove with the Tea Party, offers or has offered.  

    For all of you out of New York state, and not sitting in the midst of the NRA land which may not have any decent water shortly due to fracking, please don't endanger what we do have, a fragile balance here in NYS, with your easy labeling.  In addition to a constant barrage of racism, hate for anything the Democratic party or office holders might support; and Pres Obama, we are surrounded by campaign signs for either of the Pauls and repeal of the SAFE Act.    

    It is suspected that Cuomo is fulfilling pledges made to GOP state senators, for their votes on the SAFE Act, which is one of the few state laws which is trying to corral the gun diarrhea infecting the rest of the country.

    He is also one of the few govs keeping abortions available and safe in this state, despite considerable pressure from Cardinal T Dolan and the fundy Catholics & Protestants. Not to forget an equally tough battle for gay marriage & rights.  Or have you forgotten that?  He has also tried to encourage upstate communities which have both villages & town government levels, to consolidate them, lessen the cost to taxpayers, to much local pushback.

    Do I like everything he does?  No.  But he is no Lieberman.

    You (pl) seem to be more worried about possible Presidential fantasies/projections in the future, than what is happening in NYS at the present, and in the near future.  30-40 years ago, NY used to have some decent Republicans - not now.

    Fracking will destroy this state, due to the geology & water flow here, as we have personally seen in West Virginia, Penna..  Any Republican elected Gov will instantly start fracking here.  

    •  Brooklynite here. For some reason, (2+ / 0-)

      Markos has this serious jones against Cuomo. Admittedly, he ain't Liberal.  But that's what primaries are for. If he's primaried from the left and Cuomo still wins, well then, the question is answered.  I SERIOUSLY doubt he's gonna run for POTUS in '16. Form an exploratory committee, sure, why not. But he won't actually run.

      BTW, Markos has a bad track record of picking front runners. Don't put that much stock in it.

    •  I think that people living in other parts of the (2+ / 0-)
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      country and people living in New York City may not realize how fragile the "blue" in the rest of New York State is.  

      •  I'm interested in hearing more (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm interested in hearing more about this.  We have the same problem in MA--we are a blue state, sure, but there are still patches of the state which are quite conservative. Thats how we ended up with Scott Brown. As I understand it, though, Cuomo sides with the red reps from Albany more than he sides with the reps from NY city and has done some dirty stuff that increases their power relative to blue parts of the state.

        •  Well, I'm not a political junky- more of (1+ / 0-)
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          a casual observer, but where I live (on Long Island) the red opinion is strong and loud.  Although nearly all of our congressmen are Dems, I'm pretty sure that many of them barely squeak by every two years.  I think the situation is much more tenuous in rural areas upstate.  I usually have the feeling that we're a red state with a huge blue spot!

          Also, as a casual observer, I'll say that our statewide Dems do not do much to endear themselves to the public.  Stories of corruption, incompetence, criminal behavior are not surprising. Not that the Republicans are any better, but that's a pretty poor standard to live up to.  

          I'm no fan of this Cuomo, but it's likely that any Dem here would have to do some wheeling and dealing to get anything done.  I get the feeling, though, that he doesn't mind it as much as he should.

          Yeah, my impression was that Mass. was better for Dems, but maybe not!

    •  Plus, Cuomo looks to singing on for pre-school (0+ / 0-)

      classes for everyone -- the Bill de Blasio campaign pledge.

      Cuomo wants it for the whole state.

      "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- Rand Paul Ryan

      by waterstreet2013 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 12:44:35 PM PDT

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      •  That was politcal calculation. (2+ / 0-)
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        It's not that he's pro UPK.  It's that he's against BdBs millionaires tax - which is extremely popular in the city.

        So he had to find a way to sink the tax, and offering up a small amount of state money for UPK in NYC was it.

        If Cuomo actually liked UPK, he'd have been talking about it for ages.  He never said a peep about it until BdB looked like he was going to win on his UPK/millionaires tax platform.

        It's all political strategy for Cuomo.  Notice the amount he offered in total to fund UPK statewide is less than BdB estimates that just NYC will need to fund it's program - and what he offered isn't permanent - it has a 5 year sunset.

        That is not the plan of a UPK supporter.  That is the plan of a pol making a political calculus to block something that extremely popular amongst a group of voters that largely support them, but not wanting to lose that voter support.  It's distraction.

        "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

        by Darth Stateworker on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 02:37:44 PM PDT

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        •  Cuomo is never going to get away with sunsetting (0+ / 0-)

          UPK.

          That won't happen.

          Meanwhile his girlfriend is running out of steam as a cover. No way he makes it to 2020 as a viable presidential candidate. Or to 2016 for V.P.

          "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- Rand Paul Ryan

          by waterstreet2013 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 06:13:01 PM PDT

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          •  It's not about the sunset either. (1+ / 0-)
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            If he's still in office when the sunset comes up, he can either get it extended or claim it's not his fault the legislature didn't extend it and stick the school districts with the bill - just like the state stuck the counties with the Medicaid bills.

            The sunset exists for one reason:  fucking with out year budgeting.  A 5 year sunset means that the Division of Budget can ignore the cost of that spending in it's long term budget forecasting, making it look like the state will be running a bigger surplus (or less of a deficit) than it really will, all of this of course attributed to Cuomos leadership.

            That's why NY has so many programs with sunset dates - pure budgeting gimmicky.

            Obviously, I've spent WAYYY too much time in Albany...  LOL

            "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

            by Darth Stateworker on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 08:44:55 PM PDT

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      •  Nah (1+ / 0-)
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        he wants to protect millionaires from de Blasio's approach -- which is to have NYC millionaires pay for it. So he's undermining de Blasio by saying it should be done everywhere, and let the state lege allocate funds for it. Of course, that has to get through the state Senate, gerrymandered for GOP control with Cuomo's approval. Good luck with that.

        •  Thing is, state polls have UPK ahead 80:20 (1+ / 0-)
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          PinHole

          for people with kids. Dems and GOP.

          Upstate this is a bigger deal that in NYC. The parents are doing call center jobs for peanuts, praying to get better for the kids.

          "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- Rand Paul Ryan

          by waterstreet2013 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 06:15:03 PM PDT

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      •  Waterstreet (1+ / 0-)
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        Please read Michael POwell's column in todays NYT.  Cuomo and his buddies in the State senate are not being honest when they say they will fund pre-k.

    •  Meh. (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm upstate born, bred, and raised right near the ADK park in a family full of bumpkins, many of which are now full-on rightwingnut upstate Teabillies.  Now closer to Albany for work reasons.  Therefore, I'm no "out-of-stater" not sitting in "NRA Land."

      You far overestimate the power of Teabillies in NY.  Geographically, they own much of upstate.  However, what they own is largely rural, and own little in the population centers that largely control state politics.

      As far as Cuomo - he's the worst sort of ConservaDem there is, and we can do much better in this state.  He's done more to appease those aforementioned Teabillies than he's done to appeal to even mainstream lefties, much less far-left tree huggers.  Sure, he pissed them off with the SAFE Act, but they lovehis economic agenda.  And any time Teabillies love your economic agenda, that's a bad sign.

      Take his property tax cap:  ask Californians how theirs is working out 4 decades on.  Cuomo can look like Mr. Centrist Gap Bridging Hero now, because he won't be around when the real damage from the property tax cap shows up.

      Look how he's dismantled so much of state government - especially the DEC, which has taken a huge hit budget and employee wise.  That won't bode well for the environment, especially if Cuomos corporatist friends get their way.

      So I disagree with you wholeheartedly.  Cuomo is trash, and yes, he is the Democratic parties new Lieberman.  He's a piece of shit, socially liberal, fiscally conservative ConservaDem if there ever was one, and he should be run out of the governors mansion - and this state as a whole if you ask me.  He's more dangerous than any plausibly electable NYS Republican as governor - because he has the (D) after his last name, he has a legendary liberal last name, and because he gets whatever he wants legislatively because he has so much political capital.

      Shit, even Crazy Teabilly Carl Paladino couldn't do as much damage as Andrew Cuomo - because Shelley SIlver and the Assembly would shut him right the fuck down.

      "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

      by Darth Stateworker on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 02:51:13 PM PDT

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      •  Agree wholeheartedly (1+ / 0-)
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        And he is a stupid sell-out to the highest bidder on top of that (a friend is a former state lawyer who used to advise him and says he's stupid on top of being obnoxious) - look at the Port of Albany situation with the exploding crude -- and the empty DEC buildling downtown. He's a disgrace.  I just wish voters would pay more attention and there could be a viable opposition.

        Helping a food pantry on the Cheyenne River Reservation,Okiciyap.

        by betson08 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 03:09:42 PM PDT

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      •  Well, Darth (1+ / 0-)
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        I obviously mostly disagree with you!!   :-)
        We have lived in this area for over 45 years, and been Dem Committee Co people for the last 6 yrs. I have been through a seering trial by fire from in-laws who have turned from mildly GOP to FAUX watching, Rush-listening, TeaBaggers, RA RA War & Geo W Bush, and has caused a permanent break for Mr P.  They live in PA & WVa & VA & NC.  We have it so much better here in NYS.

        Yes, I do think Cuomo & deBlasio are playing power games with the pre-K stuff.  But it surely does need to come to the rest of the state beyond NYC.  And I doubt that once started, it won't be renewed after 5 yrs.  

        I will put up with a lot of compromise on other issues, to keep even low-level fracking out of this state, because that is irreversible.

        But the specter of Carl Paladino, or his clone, is just too awful to contemplate. Shelly Silver needs to keep some of those mostly NYC Dem office holders out of people's underwear, corruption, padding of friends wallets, etc. You have no idea how much good copy they make for the upstate GOP.  

        As for Sandra Lee - Cuomo isn't going anywhere near the WH unless they get married, and she doesn't seem interested.  

        •  Which county? (0+ / 0-)

          Not to offend, but if it's an upstate county (as you previously stated) and it's not an MTA zone county, or not Erie, Monroe, Onondaga, Schenectady, or Albany counties....  It's basically irrelevant when it comes to statewide races.  The population levels are just not there in other counties to have much clout.

          Sure, there are some that have a moderately sizable population that might lean right here and there - like Saratoga or other small city/suburban counties - but they still don't have anywhere near the population needed to swing statewide elections.

          And the ultra-large, full-on red counties - they tend to be like Saint Lawrence - with an average population like 5 people per square mile or something.  They certainly don't concern me.

          I'm not trying to insult you - remember, I'm from up that way myself (Northern rural SarCo/Warren to be exact).  Just pointing out how NY state politics realistically work.  Rural and suburban upstate counties don't mean much.  There are more people voting in NYC than in almost all upstate counties combined, and if you add in the downstate suburbs on LI and in the MTA zone - fugheedaboutit.  This is why downstate dominates the state policy agenda and always has.

          The exception politically was Crazy Carl in his last election.  He did take his home county.  But what politician doesn't?  People tend to vote for the hometown boy, even if they're crazy.  But I'd bet my next paycheck Erie doesn't go for Astorino this year.

          I don't think it's BdB playing politics with UPK at all.  Cuomo is - simply to head off BdBs extremely popular millionaires tax.  BdB has been clear, concise, and consistent with his message on UPK since the start of his campaign.  That's how I gauge whether or not a pol is "playing politics" - by how consistent their message is.  As I noted, UPK wasn't even on Cuomos radar until recently.

          I would agree Silver needs better control of his members, especially if he expects to ever stick it to Mario Jr.  But as astute a politician as Silver is, I suspect we aren't telling him anything he doesn't already know.  As far as their misdeeds making "good copy" in upstate papers - it's only because they tend to ignore the antics of righties caught doing stupid shit.  Again - it really matters little.  ALL OF UPSTATE above Putnam and Orange could vote for Astorino or whoever the GOP puts up.  Cuomo would still win.  It's that simple.  The problem is less what upstate bumpkins thing and more what those in the "Albany beltway" think about Cuomos political capital versus Silvers political capital.  If/when the day comes when the two have roughly matching political capital, Cuomos agenda is toast, because Silver will eat him him.  Keep in mind Silver is very, very patient.  He will bide his time and strike Cuomo at just the right moment to hurt him as much as possible - and Cuomo knows this.

          You don't stay in power in Albany as long as Silver has without being a wily sonofabitch that knows a thing or two about politicking and knows how to take a political foe down.  Silver, for all intents and purposes, is like a New York version of Frank Underwood.  He's that crafty.

          "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

          by Darth Stateworker on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 09:14:35 PM PDT

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  •  I refuse to live in a country where Sandra Lee (3+ / 0-)

    is in the WH.

  •  Call me convinced (2+ / 0-)
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    betson08, Darth Stateworker

    I don't want Andrew Cuomo anywhere near the Democratic nomination for the presidency.  Plutocrats who want to embrace the fundamental tenets of the Democratic Party are welcome, but let's not go whoring after the ones who don't.

    "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little. " --Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by jg6544 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 12:18:50 PM PDT

  •  Some Billionaires are pretty clueless (1+ / 0-)
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    It probably has never occurred to folks like Langone that over the long run you don't have much of a secure society either if you continue to encourage and tolerate policies that create and compound enormous disparities in income and political power between the 1% and everyone else.  Of course, in his mind, the obligation only goes one way.  I suppose Mr. Langone feels that the little people waiting in lines at the food bank should cheer him for being such a wonderful capitalist as he is drives by in his limousine. All of them too could be billionaires just like him if they just worked hard enough for it, gosh darn it!  In his mind, his shining example to the unwashed masses is enough, and he has no other obligations to anyone else other than to himself and his billions.  Noblesse oblige?  Not so much.  More like, "let them eat cake."  

    These Republican gluttons of priviledge are cold men ... They want a return of the Wall Street economic dictatorship -- Harry Truman

    by Laborguy on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 12:25:48 PM PDT

  •  He's a (D) and we need to support him. (1+ / 0-)
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    Here there be snark

  •  Langone hated, absolutely hated, Spitzer (2+ / 0-)
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    And Cuomo oh so wanted Spitzer out of the way.  Cuomo's jealousy of Spitzer is legendary in NY.  
    A marriage made in heaven.  Or, in hell.  

  •  Exacept, as much as we loathed Joe (1+ / 0-)
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    Lieberman the weasel continued to win, continued to maintain influence with TeaPubs.  As a citizen of NY-21 who loathes Mario Jr. as much as the next NY Dem there is an anxiety for many of us that this weasel will take over where Lieberman left off, and do his best to bork progressives every step of the way.

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    by winkk on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 03:30:09 PM PDT

  •  Punditry (0+ / 0-)

    Wear a big mutherfucken flag lapel pin and invoke Hitler.

  •  Anyone who could look at that face and not (0+ / 0-)

    perceive a demon who belongs in the lower circles of Hell is a fool.  The Republican war on FDR and the New Deal has been going on for 81 years now.  It picked up speed with the election of President Raygun in 1980 (due to fraudulent deals with Iran).  I think we're still winning, but the dumbing of America might lead to fascism in the end - it almost did under W - I would ask the Republicans, who actually won World War II for them...it wasn't the children of the rich, it was the children of the poor and the middle class, who guess what?  would have starved to death without the New Deal.  And in that counterfactual universe (Philip K Dick 'The Man in the High Castle') the West Coast would be occupied by Japan and the East Coast would be occupied by Germany and the old Confederacy would be a willing German racist ally.  Think about what actually happened vs what might have happened, and give thanks.

    Armed! I feel like a savage! Barbarella

    by richardvjohnson on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 04:16:28 PM PDT

  •  Republican irrelevancy in NY (1+ / 0-)
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    Sadly, Republicans aren't irrelevant in New York at all.  The first whiff of extreme liberalism will send the rural upstaters running for the R lever. (Or checkbox or whatever it is nowadays.)  Combine that with a low NYC turnout due to apathy over the candidate and boom, you've got another Pataki in the mansion.

    Is that what you want?

    •  A Pataki mansion (0+ / 0-)

      might just be more liberal than a Cuomo mansion yanno.

      Pataki, at least after a bit of time, turned into one of the most moderate, tame GOPers I've ever seen - which is why he remaining in office for so long - he wasn't a rightwingnut tool.

      Regardless, they have NO chance of ever flipping the Assembly, so even a wingnut as out-to-lunch as Paladino would be easily contained.

      So yes, Republicans are that irrelevant in NY.

      "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

      by Darth Stateworker on Tue Mar 18, 2014 at 09:22:09 PM PDT

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      •  Containment isn't the issue (0+ / 0-)

        Yes, the Assembly is an important bulwark.  But a) there's plenty the governor can do without the Assembly on board (akin to Obama working without the House), and b) the more worrisome issue is what we can't get done without the governor's signature.

        Not that he, or Trump, had a chance, but a Paladino governorship would be disastrous.

        •  Not really. (0+ / 0-)

          The governors position itself simply isn't that strong in New York.  A governor here still has to rely on the legislature to do much of their job.

          As far as not being able to move a progressive agenda with a Republican governor:  I point back to Pataki.  We had both a Republican governor and a Republican held state senate.  That didn't turn us in to a red state - far from it.

          People just don't seem to get that New York Republicans - for the most part - are a completely different animal than what you see outside the state or nationally.  Most of them are extremely moderate, because that's the only way a Republican can get and maintain any power in this state.  It's too blue to suffer the idiocy of the Issas and Pauls of the world.

          "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

          by Darth Stateworker on Wed Mar 19, 2014 at 05:41:00 PM PDT

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          •  Okay but (0+ / 0-)

            Maybe Pataki was a bad example; there isn't really a lot of distance between him and Cuomo on the substantive issues.

            But Paladino?  No, that really would be a disaster.  Astorino would be better than him, but worse than Cuomo, surely.  Astorino is anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-gun, and pro-fracking.  Sure, he'd never get (say) abortion restrictions through the Legislature, but he'd never push for abortion protections the way Cuomo is doing, either.  And he might just be able to get the NY SAFE Act repealed.

            •  The point is (0+ / 0-)

              had Paladino been elected, what part of his agenda could he actually implement?

              Very little TBQH.  Even with executive agencies, the legislature still has the power of the purse.  He couldn't even arbitrarily cut their budgets.

              To the Cuomo v. Astorino point:  I doubt very much he could get the SAFE Act repealed (the Assembly would refuse), and on abortion rights - Cuomo has flopped out.

              I normally wouldn't say it was the governors fault on something like that, but in this case - it is Cuomos own fault.  He's a guy that's proven time and time again he can get passed whatever he wants passed.  As such, clearly, he wasn't all that serious about it.  It was pandering.  The same as he's done on MinWage (gotten a token POS increase through, not a real one), the same thing he's done on campaign finance reform and publicly funded elections, and the same thing he's done on a host of other issues the left wants.

              He isn't failing due to Republicans.  He's "failing" because he wants the legislation to fail.  With the political capital Cuomo has, he has no excuse.  Add in his meddling in the Senate - which would be under Democratic control if it wasn't for his approval of gerrymandered districts and then the bullshit with the IDC, and it's really his fault.

              He's slime.

              "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

              by Darth Stateworker on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 07:47:26 PM PDT

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              •  Tautological (0+ / 0-)

                So anything Cuomo gets passed is evidence that he can pass anything, and anything he doesn't get passed is just evidence that he didn't want it to pass in the first place.  That's a nice little self-fulfilling prophecy you've got there.

                The idea that the abortion provision of the women's bill was a poison pill would constitute a remarkably Machiavellian performance if true.  I think it's simpler to believe it's exactly what it appears to be: a vital part of the legislation that Cuomo wasn't willing to give up just to achieve a legislative victory.

                •  Are you actually IN New York? (0+ / 0-)

                  Have you actually seen the power this guy wields here?

                  When he can push thought things like SSM, the SAFE Act, pension reform, a property tax cap, and all sorts of other items that just 5 years ago would have been uphill battles that would have been lost...  It's not "tautological."  He really does have the political capital to get those other items passed if he wanted them passed.

                  I don't think you quite understand just how, cold, calculating, and practically Machiavellian Cuomo actually is.  Everything he does is triangulation for his future POTUS aspirations.  EVERYTHING.  He doesn't back something he'll "lose" unless it will benefit him in some other way.  So when he "loses" a battle on legislation - he meant to lose that battle.

                  This isn't just my opinion.  It's the consensus opinion of Cuomo around Albany.

                  "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

                  by Darth Stateworker on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:24:41 AM PDT

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  •  I have never understood the Right-wing compairing (0+ / 0-)

    anyone on the left to Hitler.  The Nazis were considered Right-wing authoritarians, supported by German Capitalists and German industry.  Hitler got support from America Capitalists as well.  Check out Prescott Bush's record on the subject.  People came to where I lived as a child reciting members for the German-American Bund.  A Nazi front organization.  Don't we remember any history at all?        

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