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Pretty much any traditional media outlet has been starting every discussion about the upcoming election as a done deal:  the House will remain in Rethuglican's greedy, dangerous, corporate-owned claws and the Senate may be lost to these miscreants as well, because that's just what happens in an election year after the opposition party has won the White House.

Bull shit.

Plain and simple.  And, yes, this is a rant.

I only believe the trad-med claptrap as long as my fellow Democrats simply accept it as a fact and don't show up in November to vote the bull shit into the dumpster.  In fact, I believe the reason this claptrap is being spewed on a daily basis is in order to convince the general public that the election is already over and done and Rethuglicans will be trampling our rights in lockstep and destroying the economy on a daily basis until 2016, with their debt ceiling crap and budget cliffs to jump off, as well as the daily votes to deny us affordable healthcare, deny women the right to choose, deny the LGBT community civil rights, fight for the 1% to get even more tax cuts in the form of tax "incentives" and deny a living wage to full time workers, with only Barack Obama's veto power to stop them.  That is their obvious agenda and yet they expect to WIN BIG IN NOVEMBER on that platform.

WTF???

Come on.  The American people are simply not the stoopid.  Rethuglicans are certain that all of us ARE that stoopid, but I say let's fuck them up.  Let's start talking to our family, friends and neighbors about the upcoming general election and ask them if they really want the party that thinks $10.10 an hour is too much to earn if you're working for a multi-billion dollar corporation like McDonalds or Walmart and people should work overtime hours OFF THE BOOKS, aka for FREE so these same corporations can make even more profit.  Ask them if they think that people shouldn't retire and collect the Social Security they've been making deposits to for around 50 years until they're 70, or Medical should be cut or pensions should be lost to hostile takeovers, so the rich can get richer and the poor can go to hell.  I mean come on, cutting food stamps and lunch programs for CHILDREN???

WTF???

It's clear as the difference between night and day.  Democrats keep asking the Rethuglican MAJORITY in the House to vote on a minimum wage increase, immigration reform, SNAP and unemployment insurance extensions and an end to trying to kill Obamacare and all they get is a raised middle finger and a litany of LIES which are easily exposed and RETHUGLICANS will WIN BIG IN NOVEMBER?????

NO, say I.  Fuck no!!!  They deserve to have their lying asses handed to them come November.  Democrats have raised an historic amount of funds to DEFEAT THEIR SORRY ASSES COME NOVEMBER and all we have to do is talk to our family, friends and neighbors to GO AND VOTE these fuckers out of office so we can get something done for millions of Americans, like bridges, roads, ports and railroads repaired after decades of neglect.  Basics that affect all of us, even the 1 fucking percent.

GET OUT THE VOTE IN NOVEMBER AND CLEAN THESE FUCKERS' CLOCKS!!!!!

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    Best. President. Ever.

    by Little Lulu on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 01:53:02 PM PDT

    •  I watched both those elections and Florida in 2000 (42+ / 0-)

      and Ohio in 2004 have both been proven that those elections were carefully orchestrated and Democrats were denied their actual votes.

      Bush lost both elections and took us into two wars and the Great Recession that would have been a Great Depression had John McCain been voted into the White House instead of Barack Obama.

      Best. President. Ever.

      by Little Lulu on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 02:10:47 PM PDT

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      •  Lost both? And to think I was pretty much (3+ / 0-)

        shouted down a few weeks ago when I said the far left had Bush Derangement Syndrome from late 2000 until we won the House in 2006.

        New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

        by AlexDrew on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 04:53:45 PM PDT

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        •  Really, AlexDrew, did you miss the majority (11+ / 0-)

          Rethuglican Supremes STOPPING THE VOTE RECOUNT in Florida because it would "unfair to George W. Bush?"  And then you missed all the Democratic votes that just disappeared magically in 2004 from the Ohio count with a Rethuglican in charge of the voting machines that were proven to have been hacked?  LOL.  People sure are easily duped.

          Best. President. Ever.

          by Little Lulu on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:09:53 PM PDT

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          •  Unfortunately... (2+ / 0-)
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            ...that would still have left John Kerry way behind in the popular vote nationwide.  You also have to explain Republican victories down-ballot nationwide.

            Don't get me wrong.  I felt worse that day about the political life of the U.S.A. than I've ever felt in my life--that for the first time, my country would (and this never gets mentioned) re-elect a POTUS that had lost the popular vote the first time around, and that it would (just enough to make the difference) let itself get jerked around such that it would do so for such a POTUS--but our beef ultimately is with the American people, not Diebold.  I've never encountered PROOF that the machines in Ohio (and why always Ohio?  Aren't there other red states?) were actually hacked.

            The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early; don't mistake an unfulfilled dream for a lost one. A dream has no deadline!

            by Panurge on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 07:43:06 PM PDT

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          •  The Ohio thing isn't true (6+ / 0-)

            and you damage our position by continuing to repeat it. There were no hacked machines; there were no votes that disappeared from the count — none that made any difference. God, I feel like a damned broken record but THERE WERE ALMOST NO ELECTRONIC MACHINES IN USE IN OHIO IN 2004. It was maybe 8 or 9 counties out of 88, mainly small ones. I think there was one urban county, maybe Summit (Akron).

            The Ohio election was possibly stolen by VOTER SUPPRESSION. Why do you think the GOP is rolling out so many voter suppression bills now? BECAUSE IT WORKS and because they cannot steal an election by changing vote totals in machines. If they could, they wouldn't be risking all the blowback they're getting on voter suppression bills.

            Sheesh.

            Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

            by anastasia p on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 08:08:31 PM PDT

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            •  Republican/American Corp Libertarian/ Fascist (2+ / 0-)
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              The are making their move to set up the Corporate State. This is a coup de grace carried out by a collective that has been 4 decades in the making . they have funded judicial  elections on local and national levels. they planted ops through out  every department of government. There are tea party deep ops willing to throw themselves on the sword for the Conservative cause every where.

              Started with their original hatred of John Kennedy and the social welfare programs he sighed into law like food stamps. Look where being progressive got him.The tactics that they are using are right out of Hitliers propaganda play-book ' Demoralizing the opposition" via  Drug testing food stamp or welfare recipients.  planting Fake skag hippie types in the occupy groups to make them look bad . Actors to be fake food stamp fraud practitioners for tv . fake polls and baited demos for the sake of publicity.

              Playing fair is the last resort for dangerous people. The Gun control Ploy is a smoke screen to arm the "Our Lady of Duck Dynasty" crew in case they need them to push the conflict  

              Better get up to speed they don't play.  Remember the Kent State shootings ..

          •  HERE WE GO AGAIN with the SEVERE (1+ / 0-)
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            DeadHead

            denial...

            why did Gore lose Ohio in 2000?

            and you can't conveniently blame Nader, since adding his Ohio votes to Gores' does not get you above the popular vote for Bush.

            was that vote "orchestrated" as well?

            "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

            by Superpole on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 06:58:45 AM PDT

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          •  why do you think the fear voter fraud so much. (0+ / 0-)

            Simply because they know how much you can steal with it . they are the world masters of voter Fraud LOL

          •  I recall a video... (2+ / 0-)
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            of Republican's caught red handed in Tallahassee Fla. throwing out bags of votes and they were caught on video. (HBO documentary) I also recall a Tallahassee court room where a guy who was a computer geek testified in court he was asked by a leading GOP Fla. state rep. "how to change the numbers on the computers"

             We already know they cheat, but they can't if they see record numbers of us showing up and in lines.
            There are more of us than there are of them. If it helps get mad, but VOTE anyway and insist every friend you have goes with you to vote too.

            We have to use their own word games against them..Listen to Bill Maher's rant in "New Rules" Friday, it made perfect sense. Play their own word games. They're just not that bright.

        •  Bush earned our derangement (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Election fraud (0+ / 0-)

        Thom Hartman has an interesting video about those elections involving a computer company in Austin, Texas run by a former RNC chairman on You Tube. Search for "Did Anonymous save the election from Rove"

        He has another one "Can Republican get elected without fraud & treason" Eisenhower was the last legitimately elected Republican President.

      •  Oh No! (0+ / 0-)

        They (we) didn't vote W Bush in twice.  Bush stole the election twice, thanks to Karl Rove et al!

        Sometimes, you need a sensa uma!

        by HashHoward on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 07:11:54 AM PDT

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    •  They did no such thing (9+ / 0-)

      In 2000, it has been definitively proved they did no such thing.

      In 2004, we will never know if they did or not because it all hinged on Ohio and Ohio's election was an ungodly mess, and a mess in such a way we could never sort it out or do anything  about it because it didn't hinge on vote stealing or flipped touchscreens (few touchscreens were in use in Ohio that year) or some secret chicanery by Karl Rove. The mess was right in front of us: long long long lines in the cold cold cold rain in which I stood for seven hours doing election protection for the Kerry campaign in a poor black neighborhood in Cleveland. And we will never know how many people walked away. It still galls me that former secretary of voter suppress ... I mean STATE ... Ken Blackwell isn't in prison for engineering this mess, which never occurred before and hasn't occurred since (although the likelihood for a repeat is high if we don't pass the Voter Bill of Rights in November and defeat our current secretary of voter suppress .... I mean STATE ... Jon Husted in November.

      JonHusted

      Enemy of fair elections. Must be defeated.

      In fact, you could help by sending a donation to his estimable opponent Nina Turner.

      http://www.ninaturner.org/

      DSC_0010

      Champion for voter rights. Must be elected.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 08:02:16 PM PDT

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    •  Right, the Astonishing Part: (1+ / 0-)
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      the second time, Bush won in spite of the fact prior to that he admitted there were no WMD's in Iraq.

      the two highest office holders in our nation lied us into an expensive, pointless war of choice-- and the democrats could not put up a candidate to beat him in 2004?

      wow...

      For his part, Cheney dismissed the significance of Duelfer's central findings, telling supporters in Miami: "The headlines all say, 'No weapons of mass destruction stockpiled in Baghdad.' We already knew that."
      http://www.public-action.com/...

      "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

      by Superpole on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 06:51:21 AM PDT

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  •  Maybe if enough Democrats get scared (24+ / 0-)

    listening to the media they'll come out and vote in November.  Fingers crossed.  

    I am a work in progress. Still.

    by broths on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 02:14:51 PM PDT

    •  10 recs for this? (1+ / 0-)
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      thanatokephaloides

      New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

      by AlexDrew on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 04:54:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  And none for you, gooper! eom (5+ / 0-)

        You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

        by MikePhoenix on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:02:46 PM PDT

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        •  I never expect to get recs. This is not the same (3+ / 3-)

          activist, reality based community it was when I last read it in mid 2008, before I moved over seas. Since BHO took office, wishful thinking has replaced critical thinking. This is where I come for entertainment and to throw peanuts inside the monkey cage.

          New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

          by AlexDrew on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:30:20 PM PDT

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          •  Ah. Monkey cage, eh? Hmmm. Wonder why (4+ / 0-)
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            that particular reference...  Hmmmm...

            Best. President. Ever.

            by Little Lulu on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:59:30 PM PDT

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            •  Okay. How about goat cage? You can get really (0+ / 0-)

              close to the goats!!!

              New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

              by AlexDrew on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 06:05:26 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

          •  If that's how you feel... (4+ / 0-)

            ...why don't you just lurk quietly and enjoy your contempt privately?

            Then you won't have people leaving snide comments.

            Better yet, why don't you contribute positively and write what you think we ought to be doing, instead of posting inflammatory remarks, I'll betcha you have more than a few positive ideas, and I'd read what you have to say, even if I disagree.

            "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

            by leftykook on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 07:11:43 PM PDT

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            •  I love the snide comments. That's what passes (1+ / 0-)
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              for deep thought nowadays. And diaries that go into detail about policy or even campaigns get hijacked and turned into mindless pie fights. I have accepted that. Things change.

              Having a Dem prez has definitely had an affect on the community.

              New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

              by AlexDrew on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 07:26:56 PM PDT

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            •  yeah, emulating redstate will fix things (1+ / 0-)
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              we'll all be on the same piece of music marching in sync.

              let's push out those that step out of the line or just aren't pure enough to cut the mustard.

              let's send out talking points to queue people in on the way the wind is blowing.

              think of the morale that will come from knowing we all belong to a big echo chamber.

              I want everyone who isn't with the program to hand in your Junior Birdman glasses right now.

          •  So you admit you're here to troll? (6+ / 0-)

            A:  Glad you can admit it.

            B:   I'm sorry to inform you that your admission just earned you a donut.  I like honestly - really.  But I hate trolls.

            "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

            by Darth Stateworker on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 07:46:01 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Not to troll. To add a dose of reality when (0+ / 0-)

              the wishful thinking gets out of control.

              New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

              by AlexDrew on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:44:25 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Throwing peanuts into the monkey cage... (5+ / 0-)

                is not "adding a dose of reality." Agree with Darth that snidely stating you only come for entertainment and adding insults is trollish.

                •  Go through my comments. I do a lot more than (0+ / 0-)

                  throw peanuts into the cages. But its cute that you and "Darth" agree.

                  New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                  by AlexDrew on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:00:29 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                •  2nd time in as many days a troll has (4+ / 5-)

                  slipped and admitted trolling and said 'what, who me?' when called out on it.

                  While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                  by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:18:30 AM PDT

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                  •  Calling me a troll and... (3+ / 0-)
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                    Lying about what I said gets you an HR.




                    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                    by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 01:46:09 PM PDT

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                    •  LOL, who's the blog nanny/rule breaker now? (4+ / 0-)

                      While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                      by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 02:47:06 PM PDT

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                      •  you are. nt (4+ / 0-)
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                        "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                        by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 02:48:04 PM PDT

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                      •  Cite the rule... (3+ / 0-)
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                        I broke, please.

                        And no, pushing back against your lies and calling me a troll isn't "blog nannying."




                        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                        by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:34:02 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Yes it is, I do less and you call me 'Enforcer'. (1+ / 0-)
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                          I'm just going by your set standards, Deadhead! Does it not feel great when you're on the receiving end?

                          While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                          by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:36:12 PM PDT

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                          •  Ah, so you just admitted you're being vindictive (2+ / 0-)
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                            poligirl, angel d

                            Thanks for clearing that up.

                            Now, what rule did I break?

                            You broke three.

                            1) Insult.
                            2) Lie.
                            3) dragging shit in from another diary.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:43:29 PM PDT

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                          •  you don't get to hide comments about yourself (4+ / 0-)

                            it's really that simple.

                            If it was otherwise I'd be hide rating you all the time for lying about me.

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:45:26 PM PDT

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                          •  No shit Duhban. Nt (2+ / 0-)
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                            While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                            by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:46:35 PM PDT

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                          •  Cite where it's stated in the rules, then. (2+ / 0-)
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                            poligirl, angel d

                            If it's that "simple."




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:23:08 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  you love rules when you think you can use them (1+ / 0-)
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                            Timaeus

                            and pretend they don't exist when you can't.

                            If you want to pretend it's okay for you to hide anyone that says things about you that you don't like then you would have no complaints when I do it for all the lies you tell about me right?

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:42:41 PM PDT

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                          •  Cite the rule, please. (2+ / 0-)
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                            angel d, poligirl




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 05:27:17 PM PDT

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                          •  Done. below. (3+ / 0-)
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                            poco, duhban, fcvaguy

                            If you want to summon elfling, feel free.

                            But those are the rules from the site's most current update that I've seen on this point.

                            Remove your HR. It would be considered "retaliatory."

                            From the website's serviceable rules portion, sanctioned by Hunter and others, and not updated in any way, shape, or form:

                            do not troll rate fights that you yourself are in.
                            Additionally,
                            Do not troll rate someone you are actively having a fight with. If you are in a heated argument with someone, you should not be judging whether or not what they say is trollworthy. Leave it to others to decide what behavior is or isn't over the line.

                            Click the ♥ to join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news & views written from a black pov - everyone is welcome.

                            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:32:22 PM PDT

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                          •  Um... (1+ / 0-)
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                            poligirl

                            GGGE posted a comment to someone else about me. I replied to that comment stating the reason for my HR.

                            That isn't being "in a heated exchange with someone," and no, other subthreads in the same diary don't count, or else plenty of people would be in violation of that rule in large diaries where someone posts an HRable comment somewhere when they had commented at them elsewhere in the same diary.

                            Tell you what, you HR GGGE for calling me a troll, misrepresenting my comment that he dragged in from another diary, and I'll remove it.

                            Also, you can chastise the upraters of that blatantly rule-violating comment too, if you want.

                            Thanks for your impartial attention to this matter.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:07:06 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  um, he wasn't in the fight if you parent up MO... (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            DeadHead

                            be careful what you're defending...

                            DH was not in the convo till GGGE called him out. he replied when HRing...

                            pay attention.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:13:17 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Ignore it (0+ / 0-)

                            Sometimes bantering with a troll is fun, but for the most part, trolls just waste people's time.  It's best to ignore them.

                          •  Hunter, 2008... (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            poco, duhban
                            Do not troll rate someone you are actively having a fight with. If you are in a heated argument with someone, you should not be judging whether or not what they say is trollworthy. Leave it to others to decide what behavior is or isn't over the line.
                            That has been the rule here since I joined. If it's been changed, I am not aware of that, and the changes aren't easy to find, although this was since it was right in Hunter's classic exegesis on dealing with trolls, which include "otherwise good Kossacks having a bad day." When the day turns into more than a day, then it's considered trolling. Either way, the rule is that you cannot HR someone you are in heated conversation with, as above.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:29:49 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  he's not actively having a fight with him... (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            DeadHead

                            you know better than that. all it takes is parenting up to see that MO. you are in the wrong and this thread has already been sent to the help desk.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:14:25 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Good (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            doroma

                            I am not in the wrong; I've seen these two it. I have seen DeadHead engage in hardcore trollish behavior in Ray Pensor (now banned) diaries, along with Kombema, in tandem (also banned now). I have not seen GGGE engage in that behavior but it' possible that he is. I'm glad the helpdesk will be assisting you all. I know what I would do but that is neither here nor there.

                            Everything I know about site rules, I learned from Meteor Blades.

                            Click the ♥ to join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news & views written from a black pov - everyone is welcome.

                            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 11:56:54 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Just make sure that you are applying those rules (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            poligirl

                            learned from Meteor Blades in a fair manner. Remember to check your bias as it is showing.

                            "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves." Edward R. Murrow

                            by temptxan on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:11:13 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I would not disservice the site (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            doroma

                            nor Meteor Blades, who has frequently been accused of "bias" besides. I feel for him on that count.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 09:16:39 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  you claimed that he was engaged when he HRd. (0+ / 0-)

                            why are you lying now then MO? you were not right on that count. it doesn't surprise me that you won't admit it though even though it's plain for everyone to see.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:02:00 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Trolling (0+ / 0-)

                            I have seen deadhead trolling in a number of diaries. Why is this person still operating?  I'm new to this site, and I just want to understand.

                          •  no that's not the rule. the rule is comments by a (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            DeadHead, angel d

                            person you care in a convo with, and he wasn't in a convo with GGGE when he HRd him. his response instigated the convo.

                            i'm surprised at raptavio and fcvaguy uprating a clearly HRable comment.

                            wait, no i'm not. special rules for special people...

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:27:12 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  as I said (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Timaeus

                            I'm sure you'll defend me when I do it to Deadhead when he lies about me right?

                            I'm so sick of you and your group defending bullies and bullshit and then pretending you are actually the victim.

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:43:33 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You've lost sight... (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            angel d, poligirl

                            Of the problem.

                            This is the problem.

                            Unprovoked shit-talking.

                            By the way, how did you stumble across this dead thread argument, out of curiosity?

                            You've magically appeared in two disputes I've been involved in over the last few days, both involving this same person.

                            Quite the coincidence. Seems you've got some new "friends."




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 06:21:57 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I'm like a zombie and a day late (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            DeadHead, poligirl

                            to every party.

                            That's how I'm here.

                            ;-)

                          •  you of all people want to talk about shit talking? (0+ / 0-)

                            YOU of all people? You who delights in attacking others?!? You who delights in dancing as close to the line of passive aggressive trolling?!? You who harasses and 'follows' people around?

                            Good gods I think you just broke irony clean in twine.

                            As to the rest Deadhead isn't is obvious? The secret daily kos code gremlins notified me that you were continuing your pattern of flaming out. Or was it the daily kos unicorn? You know I can't really remember but both have it out for you. You should watch out that unicorn is dangerous.

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 07:54:39 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  nobody's flaming out, but it's pretty clear DH has (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            DeadHead

                            a whole pack of people trying to get rid of him. you included. keep it up.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:15:37 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I notice you keep ducking my question (0+ / 0-)

                            does that mean you're aware of your hypocrisy?

                            As to your accusation there, I've never tried to get rid of deadhead. Even now after more than a year of harassment of bullying by Deadhead I still am not calling for anything to happen to DeadHead.

                            But please keep trying to tell people that it's poor poor Deadhead who is really the victim.  

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 10:08:34 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  duhban... (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            poligirl

                            Go find something else to do, okay?

                            No one cares about your petty grudges.

                            All you're doing is whining about crap and using this as some kind of opportunity to exact revenge on me for my calling you out on your disruptive behavior in the past.

                            Really, I get it.

                            You think you've somehow magically achieved some kind of moral standing.

                            Sorry, but your revisionism and continued lying about me "following people around" will find you "flaming out" long before I do.

                            If anyone's following people around, it's you, following me. This is twice now in as many days.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:19:20 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  rofl (0+ / 0-)

                            Again you the king of bringing up the past want to now act like you're some sort of victim?

                            Gods you really are that arrogant aren't you?

                            Even now DeadHead you're the one starting conversations with me not the other way around. And if you try and claim otherwise I'll be sure to remind you of your words the next time you try and claim the other side of that argument.

                            See that's the problem with being a hypocrite, no matter how hard you try you can not have it both ways.

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 10:11:47 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Only if you're admitting (again) to being (0+ / 0-)

                            vindictive, does what I wrote constitute that.

                            1. Truth
                            2. Truth
                            3. Something you do weekly in your comments.

                            Again, how is it different than your daily activities here, Deadhead?

                            While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                            by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:46:09 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Doubling down, I see. (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            angel d, poligirl

                            Good.

                            The "it's not an insult because it's the truth" ploy has been attempted in the past by others, and was rejected as invalid.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 05:46:22 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                  •  HRd for lying and calling DH a troll. he was not (3+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    DeadHead, triv33, angel d

                    trolling whatsoever yesterday and even though it was explained to you.

                    i suggest anyone who is wondering go look at all of Deadhead's comments in that diary yesterday as well as the time stamps of them and JM's ding and run of him. that's where you'll find that GGE is majorly misrepresenting here because he has some kind of vendetta against DH.

                    stop the harassment GGGE.

                    "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                    by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 02:46:16 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Deadhead commented at me over 7 times yesterday. (3+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      mahakali overdrive, duhban, Timaeus

                      Who's the real problem here?

                      While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                      by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 02:47:56 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  you are. nt (3+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        DeadHead, triv33, angel d

                        "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                        by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 02:48:31 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  so when Deadhead calls me a troll (4+ / 0-)

                          and I hide him you'll defend my decision too right?

                          Der Weg ist das Ziel

                          by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:44:45 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  LOL. They don't claim to be unbiased. (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Timaeus

                            While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                            by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:48:16 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I've called out your "trolling" (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            angel d, poligirl

                            I haven't called you a "troll." I know the difference, and know that one is HRable and one isn't.

                            And I didn't HR GGGE for saying I was "trolling" elsewhere in this diary or others, for that matter.

                            He crossed the line when he actually called me a troll and lied about something I said in another diary.

                            At this point, it's clear you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, so please, don't bother weighing in.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:33:11 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  you dice words so thinly they lose all meaning (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Timaeus

                            It's almost entertaining.

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:44:43 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  No. (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            angel d, poligirl

                            We've had this discussion before, duhban.

                            It's well-established here on this site that describing behavior and actual name-calling are different.

                            You didn't get it then, and it's clear you don't get it now. Not surprising.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:49:01 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  the only things that was established are (3+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            GoGoGoEverton, Timaeus, fcvaguy

                            That you think yourself too clever.

                            That you think people don't see you for who and what you really are.

                            That when they do you can bluster you way out of the messes you make.

                            Oh and personally I think it's only a matter of time before you either storm out of here or finally get yourself banned. You keep pushing the limits here and eventually you will get into trouble even by the lose rules of this site.

                            I suppose it's also established you don't understand that in community moderation it's the community not you that judges comments made about you.

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:56:11 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I've said the same thing. DeadHead is on a very (3+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            GoGoGoEverton, duhban, fcvaguy

                            predictable trajectory.  Pride goeth before a fall.  We've seen this exact pattern MANY times here.  He, himself, is clueless about that.

                          •  Yeah, well... (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            angel d, poligirl

                            At least you aren't insulting duhban and HRing him anymore, like you used to.

                            Seems you've found common cause with him.

                            Talk about a flip-flopper.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 05:59:44 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  And what the fuck difference does any of that (3+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            duhban, fcvaguy, ord avg guy

                            make about your own trollish behavior?

                          •  It makes a lot of difference... (2+ / 0-)

                            Because it shows your motives in all of this.

                            I didn't troll anything.

                            GGGE posted a comment about me. And now you're siding with a person you once viewed similarly to the rest of us, who's had two timeouts for his behavior, even, simply because he's taking the side against someone you don't like — me.

                            Try not to be so obvious, Timaeus.

                            You throw the very same people who advocated for your reinstatement under the bus simply because they don't agree with you, so why should your opinion in this be considered honest?




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:26:51 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Deadhead lives in a binary world (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Timaeus, ord avg guy

                            as such he can simply not understand that people can and do disagree heatedly.

                            Either that or he's just throwing everything against the wall and hoping something sticks.

                            Der Weg ist das Ziel

                            by duhban on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 10:16:12 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Um, duhban... (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            poligirl

                            You're missing some backstory here, and have inadvertently gotten your "sides" mixed up.

                            If anything, you're making the case against Timaeus for incidents about which you clearly have no knowledge.

                            That's what happens when you hastily stick your nose into matters that don't concern you — you end up embarrassing yourself.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 11:49:12 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Not distinct in the eyes of the site (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            fcvaguy

                            A troll can be a good Kossack who "is trolling" that day too. The site rules about this are crystal clear.

                            Click the ♥ to join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news & views written from a black pov - everyone is welcome.

                            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:33:49 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  thanks for parachuting in. i would suggest you (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            DeadHead

                            pay more attention to DeadHead's contributions that are substantial here at Dkos rather than harassing him when a certain few who don't like him come after him.

                            almost all of DH's posts that you don't like are reactionary rather than instigating. and don't think admin won't look at that.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:19:47 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Parachuting, lol.. (3+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            fcvaguy, GoGoGoEverton, doroma

                            I've been in this diary for days.

                            Click the ♥ to join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news & views written from a black pov - everyone is welcome.

                            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 11:58:24 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Yet... (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            poligirl

                            People get HR'd for this all the time:

                            You are a troll.
                            whereas they don't for this:
                            You're trolling.
                            So yes, name-calling is different than describing behavior. The rules are indeed crystal clear about this.

                            And no one has explained how or where I was actually trolling in the first place.

                            Would you care to?




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:37:02 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Would I care to moderate this debate (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            fcvaguy

                            Is that what you're asking me to do, as a TU?

                            If so, let me know. I would be glad to describe the exact thing that I perceive with 100% accuracy and links for moderation to review. Is that what you would like me to do? I am entirely fair about this matter and will report correctly upon it.

                            Click the ♥ to join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news & views written from a black pov - everyone is welcome.

                            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 11:39:50 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Yes, I should trust you to be fair. (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            poligirl

                            That's why you're getting involved in this in the first place, ignoring GGGE's comment and his behavior, and focusing on mine.

                            Because you're clearly unbiased.

                            Tell you what, you do what you gotta do, okay?

                            At least do the honorable thing and make your moderation thread public, so I can offer a rebuttal.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 04:34:05 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  That would be inappropriate (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            fcvaguy

                            1.) It would be a call-out diary
                            2.) It would be more meta drama
                            3.) I'm calling it as I see it while trying to ask questions for which I'm not being answered, which is a clear account from both of you.
                            4.) Moderation has already been alerted, as per the helpdesk, so why play "ThunderDome" or whatever? That's patently insulting to my intelligence and everyone else's.
                            5.) You two both have a history of being tit-for-tat, treating each other with animosity for years. Who started it? When? I'd have to go back years to figure that out. So then it's more of an issue of retaliation. And in this case, this was you. If I see that kind of thing, I generally tune it out.
                            6.) Maybe you should take up a hobby of some sort? It might help you chill out a bit more. You seem high-strung sometimes. I mean this kindly. I believe we even used to be friends.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 09:23:28 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                        •  It's a shame to see you take the wrong side, (5+ / 0-)

                          and to do it so aggressively, poligirl.  You're just wrong wrong wrong on all of this.

                          •  Where'd you come from, all of the sudden? (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            angel d, poligirl

                            Not via the hiddens, because the comment isn't hidden.

                            Just browsing dead diaries, eh?

                            What's a shame is you giving a pass to the behavior above by GGGE, Timaeus.

                            I did NOTHING to deserve his bullshit comment about me.

                            Being yet another of my "fans" makes your appearance here now quite unsurprising.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 05:54:40 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  no Timaeus. i've been around for a long time (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            DeadHead

                            and i've run other blogs doing admin and i can't tell you how wrong you are here. the only time you engage DH is when he's already being beaten down. it might behoove you to look at his whole comment history rather than listening to others.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:20:57 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                      •  Yeah, but... (2+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        angel d, poligirl

                        I didn't post comments to others indirectly calling you a troll, linking to other comments of yours in other diaries, and accuse you of "trolling" because you happened to disagree with someone.

                        Like you did.




                        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                        by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:37:29 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  So? You're the arbiter now, but I'm the Enforcer? (0+ / 0-)

                          While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                          by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:48:51 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  Dude, please. (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            angel d, poligirl

                            Stop digging, already.

                            You know what you did, and why you did it.

                            Every comment you make only further confirms this is about you thinking you can get away with breaking rules, and, given your allusions to our previous exchanges, that this is you acting out on a grudge.

                            You started this shit with your comment above, and, rather than own up to it, you're trying to make it about me and my HR of your shit-talking comment.

                            Tell you what, take it to the helpdesk.

                            Just do the honorable thing and make it public so I have a chance to refute whatever BS you offer up.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:44:55 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                  •  We all know (4+ / 0-)

                    one isn't allowed to HR a comment about oneself.

                    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                    by raptavio on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 02:56:52 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  I pulled my HR yesterday that was wrong. (1+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      fcvaguy

                      Wonder if Deadhead has the integrity to do the same?

                      While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                      by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:16:58 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  You called me a troll.. (2+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        poligirl, TheMomCat

                        Lied about what I said, and dragged shit in from another diary to do it.




                        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                        by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:30:30 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  You trolled my pro-Democratic diary. (3+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          duhban, fcvaguy, Timaeus

                          Doesn't change the fact that you don't HR someone that has engaged you. I promise I won't mock you for removing it, though you've mocked me TWICE for removing HR's in the past.

                          While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                          by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:34:40 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  I didn't engage you. (3+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            triv33, poligirl, TheMomCat

                            That rule applies only when you are in an exchange with some directly in the same subthread.

                            I've had this come up before, and elfling ruled in my favor.

                            And no, I didn't troll your diary. I pointed out two spelling errors on your part, which you ended-up correcting, and you and your pals made a big fucking stink about it.

                            You HR'd me in your own diary, which is clearly against the rules.




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                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:49:22 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Bullshit, you responded to my diary. (2+ / 0-)
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                            That's your biggest weakness Deadhead....you won't even stand up for your own behavior...which makes it very cowardly behavior at the end.

                            While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                            by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:54:17 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Pulled my HR bc it was against the rules. Will u? (1+ / 0-)
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                            Buehler?

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                            by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:55:14 PM PDT

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                          •  Nope (1+ / 0-)
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                            You haven't cited the EXACT rule that prohibits it.

                            Your comment was the problem, not my HR.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 06:07:30 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  What a bunch of bullshit! (3+ / 0-)
                          •  Prove it. (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            poligirl




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:50:41 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You cannot issue a retaliatory HR (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
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                            even if you aren't actually in conversation with someone, if they insult you, you, yourself, cannot HR that person or it is "retaliatory."

                            That is a rule on this site.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:38:56 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  he wasn't in conversation with him. good gawd (1+ / 0-)
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                            parent up ffs.

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                            by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:22:17 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  It wasn't retaliatory. (1+ / 0-)
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                            He didn't HR me, I wasn't in a convo with him in this subthread, and his comment broke three rules, none of which you're addressing, as it happens. If I were "retaliating" I would've HRed one of his comments elsewhere over the last few days, which I didn't do.

                            Yet you're more interested in my HR of a shitty comment than you are in the shitty comment itself.

                            Why?

                            I have no beef with you, and have posted very few comments to you in general, so why are you so biased in this, and, more interestingly, why are you getting involved in the first place?

                            Are you gonna chastise one of the upraters of GGGE's comment, who goes around HRing my comments in dead threads?




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                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:49:29 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Were you in recent conversation with him (2+ / 0-)
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                            on this site?

                            Also, when you talk, does it generally turn out that way?

                            Two very important questions. Answer accurately.

                            I have no beef with you either, which is why I am able to assess this impartially.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 11:44:12 PM PDT

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                          •  Doesn't matter.... (2+ / 0-)
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                            You can say that about anyone who interacts with a person one day but finds reason to HR a comment of that person's a day later.

                            What's your cut-off time?

                            A week of not talking to a person? Three days?

                            You're making up rules of engagement that aren't present in the rules as written.

                            You want an instance of him HRing me soon after having conversed with him in a previous thread? There's countless counter-examples to be found.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 04:47:55 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  It's a better question for Meteor Blades (2+ / 0-)
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                            I would ask him. I know it's a rule, but if you want to know the exact and specific cut-off time, my perception has been "proximal."

                            Can you show a thread where you've been in a NICE exchange with GGGE? Or have you always been tit-for-tat this way?

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 09:18:25 AM PDT

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                          •  so you can't HR anyone you've ever been engaged (1+ / 0-)
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                            with? or you can't HR someone you were engaged with for the last week? or yesterday?

                            pretty sure the rule is you can't HR someone you're in active conversation with - in that active conversation. but you go ask the help desk. or MB. i'm pretty sure they're gonna back me up on that, cuz i do pay attention to the rules and edicts that go along with this site.

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                            by poligirl on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:07:08 AM PDT

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                          •  It's a good question for Meteor Blades (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            fcvaguy

                            I am unclear why you want to interpret it further since clearly neither one of us are sure on the specifics, but I would recommend, if you have an interest in clearing these specifics up, you ask someone who moderated here for many, many years, that person being Meteor Blades.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 03:42:56 PM PDT

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                          •  i am clear on the specifics. you are the one who (1+ / 0-)
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                            thinks it's got a lot of wiggle room.

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                            by poligirl on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 04:55:05 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I will ask Meteor Blades personally (1+ / 0-)
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                            Maybe he can clarify what I cannot.

                            I hope so. You seem very, very invested in this one HR.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:21:53 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  no, i just don't like people who don't know what's (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
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                            going to swoop in and twist rules to fit their perceptions. you forget, i know you as a dishonest arbiter from an HR you gave me a while back.

                            so you go ahead and ask MB to clarify for you. i expect that next time you'll know better.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:41:30 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You sound silly with your chastising (1+ / 0-)
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                            tone. I am attempting to clarify something for you. I am relatively sure I'm correct about it, but I'm not wholly sure I am, so I am seeking a better answer.

                            I think when one is even nominally uncertain about something, they ought not be chastised for trying to seek more information; that is a basic, basic critical thinking skill.

                            You're HR complaint ought to be brought to the attention of the helpdesk if you feel it was in error. I usually explain my HR's or uprate an explanation of one, so that's not something to complain to me about: I'm sure I thought it was in accordance with the site rules, which for me count for far more than "gotcha!" games.

                            Good day. You are tedious to me with your pedantic tone, which is impressive coming from someone who enjoys, and engages in, counting commas and in dissecting syntactic anomalies with great vigor.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 06:08:26 PM PDT

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                          •  i sound silly to you and maybe your friends.... (3+ / 1-)
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                            i'll survive.

                            and thanks for bringing out the highfalutin' vocabulary for me. makes you look very smart. kinda smarmy and chastising too, the same thing you're accusing me of. well done.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:32:01 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  My friends? (0+ / 0-)

                            Your presumptions are outrageous in saying this. I am here as a free agent, period.

                            I'm speaking/typing in my normal voice, incidentally. This is how I speak. No one in real life ever comments on it. If the last thing you can think of to chasten me about is an erroneous interpretation of my tone, online no less, then you really ought to check yourself. I've met my share of Kossacks, and none of them ever looked at me like I was spitting it out like Einstein. Although I am an educated woman, something that ought to be celebrated, one would think, amongst Progressives and Leftists. I would hope you'd not have an issue with someone who has a graduate degree in English to the point that you'd wield that as a cudgel against them. If so, your priorities are askew.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 08:20:09 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  wow, way to go blueeyedace for you HR abuse. (2+ / 0-)
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                            DeadHead, TheMomCat

                            if you HR me, you should HR MO's comment too, or are you just playing sides?

                            just sayin' that's pretty naked abuse there.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:00:59 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  He went to the diary (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            TheMomCat, poligirl

                            I posted last night and hr'd me

                            Typical

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                            by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:13:36 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Got a link for this ? (0+ / 0-)

                            If not , its a ...

                            "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                            by indycam on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 08:21:48 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  There is no (0+ / 0-)

                            particular or definite time frame; it is interpreted on a case-by-case basis if posters are "in conversation." The answer is that if you are in conversation, be it from one diary to another or one thread to another or whatever, at the discretion of other community members and other members of (less involved) moderation, then a comment could be perceived as HR abuse and as retaliatory for the reason that I perceive it to be here. Also, if it continued over several diaries, in some cases, depending on how it happened, it would qualify as possible threadstalking which could result in the person who felt threadstalked reporting, to the help desk, evidence of this and having moderation sort through it. Often, however, it's pretty tit-for-tat.

                            And also, right now, it is the community who moderates the most. That's often been the case, which is why I think we should all know, and abide by, the site rules as carefully as possible. Those who don't tend to not last on this site.

                            In short: do not throw retaliatory donuts at people. It is against the site rules. If you aren't sure if your donut is retaliatory, ask yourself if you have prior, recent animosity toward the poster you're considering HR'ing that is pushing you to want to HR them in another thread or diary.

                            How do we define "recent"? On a case-by-case basis as what any reasonable person who was impartial would deem also as "recent," e.g. through common knowledge.

                            Furthermore, if you ever have questions about site rules, ask them of people who know them better than you do: I have always found that any person who has been involved with the site for a long time, particularly in moderation, knows the rules well. It's all Kos' judgment in the end, and he tends to just not suffer fools gladly, as the saying goes, in that he is not reticent to ban people, some whom I've thought, "thank God," and others whom I've grieved the loss of. TU's who have insight and knowledge and who talk with moderation civilly toward trying to improve this site often know the most about how if functions and what flies here.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:52:16 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  MO - i've been here longer than you have - you (0+ / 0-)

                            don't need to explain the rules to me, but thanks.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 12:51:13 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You asked me to get it from the horse's mouth (0+ / 0-)

                            I suppose you reject it as such, and with such one-ups-manship. But you must laugh a little because that was a great gaffe in my view.

                            I can say no more.

                            But I know I am literally cracking up at this one.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 10:20:55 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  actually i didn't. you started ruminating on (0+ / 0-)

                            what the rule actually was and posited that you were not terribly clear on it and that you wanted to get clarification from MB. and you admitted to not knowing much about the situation at hand in the first place.

                            i asked you no such thing. i stated that i knew what the rule was and i was not uncertain as you were and that if you feel the need to ask, then by all means do so.

                            you were confused; i was not. you need to do whatever it is you feel you need to do to get some clarity.

                            glad i could make ya laugh! :D have a good day MO!

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 07:54:09 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  This thread is still running? (0+ / 0-)

                            This comment by MO is too old for me to rec, but I've just seen it and it's great.  It's worthy of being in the FAQ.

                            This part is especially good:

                            In short: do not throw retaliatory donuts at people. It is against the site rules. If you aren't sure if your donut is retaliatory, ask yourself if you have prior, recent animosity toward the poster you're considering HR'ing that is pushing you to want to HR them in another thread or diary.
                            In other words, don't nurse grudges.  I try to follow that principle all the time, but sometimes I slip.
                          •  I'm curious as to why you would say that (0+ / 0-)

                            MO said she was going to ask MB yet when typing her screed never used quotes. Why should anyone believe that the words she typed or any other thing than rules she just made up?

                            Also and MB is not the moderator in case  you forgot. It does seem MO has.

                            I'm a Saltine American

                            by LaEscapee on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 12:53:43 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Huh? My comment has nothing to do with Meteor (0+ / 0-)

                            Blades one way or the other and I didn't mention him or assume anything about where MO got her ideas.

                            I was commending her ideas, wherever they came from.

                            And it doesn't matter whether or not MB is still serving as moderator.  He is the second most influential person on the site, for good reason.

                          •  Then obviously (0+ / 0-)

                            you are not reading the thread.

                             I will ask Meteor Blades personally (1+ / 0-)

                            Maybe he can clarify what I cannot.

                            I hope so. You seem very, very invested in this one HR.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:21:53 PM CDT

                             no, i just don't like people who don't know what's (1+ / 0-)

                            going to swoop in and twist rules to fit their perceptions. you forget, i know you as a dishonest arbiter from an HR you gave me a while back.

                            so you go ahead and ask MB to clarify for you. i expect that next time you'll know better.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:41:30 PM CDT

                             There is no (0+ / 0-)

                            particular or definite time frame; it is interpreted on a case-by-case basis if posters are "in conversation." The answer is that if you are in conversation, be it from one diary to another or one thread to another or whatever, at the discretion of other community members and other members of (less involved) moderation, then a comment could be perceived as HR abuse and as retaliatory for the reason that I perceive it to be here. Also, if it continued over several diaries, in some cases, depending on how it happened, it would qualify as possible threadstalking which could result in the person who felt threadstalked reporting, to the help desk, evidence of this and having moderation sort through it. Often, however, it's pretty tit-for-tat.

                            And also, right now, it is the community who moderates the most. That's often been the case, which is why I think we should all know, and abide by, the site rules as carefully as possible. Those who don't tend to not last on this site.

                            In short: do not throw retaliatory donuts at people. It is against the site rules. If you aren't sure if your donut is retaliatory, ask yourself if you have prior, recent animosity toward the poster you're considering HR'ing that is pushing you to want to HR them in another thread or diary.

                            How do we define "recent"? On a case-by-case basis as what any reasonable person who was impartial would deem also as "recent," e.g. through common knowledge.

                            Furthermore, if you ever have questions about site rules, ask them of people who know them better than you do: I have always found that any person who has been involved with the site for a long time, particularly in moderation, knows the rules well. It's all Kos' judgment in the end, and he tends to just not suffer fools gladly, as the saying goes, in that he is not reticent to ban people, some whom I've thought, "thank God," and others whom I've grieved the loss of. TU's who have insight and knowledge and who talk with moderation civilly toward trying to improve this site often know the most about how if functions and what flies here.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 12:52:16 AM CDT

                            The condensed version.

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                            by LaEscapee on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 06:08:38 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Nope. I read the whole thread, including all (0+ / 0-)

                            of this. I don't get your point, although I think it must be wrong.

                          •  So you see (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            JesseCW

                            the obvious quotation marks that MO applied as proof that those rules were given by MB or statement to that fact?

                            I'll help you out they look like this " "

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                            by LaEscapee on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 08:56:58 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You can't help being obnoxious. (0+ / 0-)

                            I assume you're just very young and haven't had much experience with people yet.

                          •  assessing a dispute impartially (2+ / 0-)
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                            would not include tipping only the side in the dispute you most identify with.

                            That's showing strong evidence of favoritism.

                            Showing favoritism happens here all the time but it really does get in the way when you're attempting to pass yourself off as an impartial observer just doing your solemn duty moderating discussions as a trusted user on the site.

                             

                    •  Nonsense (1+ / 0-)
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                      poligirl

                      Cite the rule that prohibits it, please.




                      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                      by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 03:28:46 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Done above. n/t (1+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
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                        by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:35:21 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Answered above. (1+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          poligirl

                          Replace my HR with one from you, and I'll pull it.

                          Otherwise, take it to admin.

                          I don't care at this point. I'm confident they'll take into consideration the original comment, and be fair in their judgement.

                          If elfling or MB tells me to pull it, I will.

                          I will not pull it based on the biased interpretations of people who are known to dislike me.

                          Which is why I don't understand why you're getting involved. I've never had problems with you before, and yet, here you are.

                          Why?




                          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                          by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 10:04:08 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  One does not HR a voluntary flame war (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            fcvaguy, ord avg guy

                            Have you never read the FAQ?

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 11:59:59 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Involved? (4+ / 0-)

                            I'm a TU in a diary that I've been lurk-reading since it was posted.

                            I believe you've kept afield of me as well. I don't recall HR you, for example, but I've seen you act like a bully to Kossacks whose opinions you differed with. Ofte, even. Often in Ray Pensador's diaries. So I neither like nor dislike you. I view you with zero personal emotion, to be frank and no offense.

                            Of course, you've uprated droves of shitty comments about me, but you know, I have always ignored that because I don't take your posts very seriously in that they are mainly polemic and also, I only see them in the now-banned Ray Pensador diaries, so there, they were highly polemic, and I could probably find instances of you taking issue with me if I wanted.

                            But to be honest, I don't care that much about you, sorry.

                            I think you behave poorly on this site in a way that is counterproductive to its sense of community and site mission, and I feel that you behave this way consistently, although I'm biased again in that I've only read your contributions in Ray's diaries where you may have been different than in other diaries? I guess I should look carefully at your other writing then since I never have. So as to be sure my assessment of you is fair-minded and not biased by how I saw you treat dissenters of (the now banned) Ray Pensador as well as your support of the (now banned) Kombema.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 12:07:53 AM PDT

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                          •  Funny... (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            poligirl

                            You said the same thing to (now banned) kombema just before he got banned.

                            There's a lot of smearing and aspersion-casting in this comment of yours, but no links.

                            Please provide them, or, better yet, stick to the issue at hand, that way you won't come across like you're trying to get me banned, too.

                            Because that's what it's looking like to me, right now.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:02:55 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I have no compunctions about (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            fcvaguy, ord avg guy

                            speaking a bit poorly to a user when I know they aren't who they say they are. Stand up for your banned friend all you want; he was banned for a reason. What was it? Do you know?

                            Your perception is of little consequence to me, sorry. I've only ever seen you basically attack people unless they are part of a small, definable coterie.

                            Do we have some sort of history I am unaware of?

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 09:15:32 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Here it is (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            poligirl

                            all of your diaries and comment supporting "community and site mission""

                            You type word salads chastising others. You need to appear to be above the fray yet you are always involved. I fully expect a long drawn out response that is circular and means nothing but knock yourself yourself out.

                            Transparency

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                            by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 01:46:19 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                    •  For a review of Da Rulez to whom it may concern, (6+ / 0-)

                      http://www.dailykos.com/...

                      Do not troll rate someone you are actively having a fight with. If you are in a heated argument with someone, you should not be judging whether or not what they say is trollworthy. Leave it to others to decide what behavior is or isn't over the line.

                      "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                      by raptavio on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 04:16:39 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Thank you. (2+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
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                        You just made my case for me.

                        I wasn't engaged with GGGE when he made that comment about me.

                        There's nothing in that blockquote that supports your comment above. Apparently you're saying that because I engaged him elsewhere, in entirely different subthreads, he gets a pass to call me a troll, lie, and drag unrelated shit into this diary.

                        I've been in a similar situation before, and elfling said I had not broken the rule for HRing a comment made by someone in a subthread in the same diary I'd already engaged him in elsewhere in that diary.

                        And I find it interesting you don't have the courage to actually reply to my comments directly, but you have no problem weighing in otherwise.




                        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                        by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 05:19:17 PM PDT

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                          •  Ha ha. (2+ / 0-)
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                            Sorry, twice-banned person, you've been saying that for months.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 10:05:26 PM PDT

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                          •  Hope springs eternal. (3+ / 0-)
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                          •  Good luck. (1+ / 0-)
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                            Perhaps you should write another call-out diary and delete it, like you did the other day.

                            Your petty, petulant grudge-holding is a disgrace.

                            You never fail to show up for no other reason than to kick me when I'm down.

                            I have NEVER done anything to you to deserve the persistent vitriol you've directed towards me, which started late last year and continues to this day.

                            You uprate insults and lies about me, HR me for non-HRable comments, call for my banning, and otherwise take every opportunity you see to disparage me, all in dead threads, on a frequent basis.

                            Apparently you have nothing better to do.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 12:13:14 AM PDT

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                          •  "Kick you when you're down"? Ha. You're never (1+ / 0-)
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                            down.  You've always got people uprating your stuff, no matter how outrageous.

                            I have good reason to oppose your presence here.  It has little to do with me.  It has to do with your own comment history.

                        •  You were if you had spoken to him (5+ / 0-)
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                          in another thread recently, and that's the case. If you argue in one thread, move into another, and then HR someone, that's generally considered to be off-limits and "in conversation."

                          Do you recall speaking with GGGE recently? Like in the past few hours prior to HR him? Was it heated? If so, it is in violation of the rules to the best of my knowledge.

                          You can always ask at the helpdesk if you are unsure.

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                          by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:37:33 PM PDT

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                          •  that thread was yesterday in another diary... (2+ / 0-)
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                            and GGGE introduced it here in a thread that DH was NOT in.

                            that's dragging shit in from another diary on ANOTHER fucking DAY into a convo that DH wasn't even a part of. you damn well know better than that MO. damn well.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:26:22 PM PDT

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                          •  I only know what I am told here (1+ / 0-)
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                            I have been working. I suggest each poster state their case here, and I will mull it over. It must be complete and contain no insults. It should include any notations of past similar interactions with links.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 11:51:51 PM PDT

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                          •  well perhaps silence is the better virtue rather (4+ / 0-)
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                            than coming in and quickly passing judgment on something even you admit you don't know about but are only being 'told' about wherever you are getting told things.

                            "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                            by poligirl on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:09:17 AM PDT

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                          •  Do not put words in my mouth (0+ / 0-)

                            Your strawman is profound here. I said no such thing.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 06:09:51 PM PDT

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                      •  ummmm he was not. you know better. parent (3+ / 0-)

                        up. gawd, your hatred for DH is on full display for admin here and has been reported to admin.

                        DH did not start this at all. GGGE did by calling him out in a thread he was not in.

                        please tell me you are not that stupid blinky. i thought you at least were smarter than that. and yes, i sent it all in.

                        "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." ~St Augustine "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

                        by poligirl on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:23:43 PM PDT

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              •  In my experiences with you AlexDrew - (1+ / 0-)
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                What you just said in your own defense is patently false.

                You rarely offer reality.  You offer your own version of it, which tends to be flash, trollish, and in many cases, dangerously close to right wing talking points, which should also earn you donuts.

                "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

                by Darth Stateworker on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 02:30:08 PM PDT

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              •  Wow!!! A superior being is gracing us with his (0+ / 0-)

                presence. To what do we owe this appearance? Worry from your owners?

            •  Agreed Darth Stateworker (0+ / 0-)

              Alex I'm giving you an hr for admitting to trolling behavior on this site and in this diary.

          •  Be careful of the monkey shit that will get thrown (0+ / 0-)

            back at you.

      •  Seriously? (0+ / 0-)

        Your claim re left wing blogs is waaaaay off.  Maybe you just haven't read any or haven't been able to understand how virulent the right wingers are.  Read some for yourself and try to stress your own biases.

    •  But liberals... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...don't want to be scared into voting Democratic.  That's the difference--conservatives are only too happy to be scared into voting Republican.  And it works, obviously.  They're simply more reliable than us.  As a group, we simply don't know how and when to apply pressure the way they do.

      The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early; don't mistake an unfulfilled dream for a lost one. A dream has no deadline!

      by Panurge on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 07:45:28 PM PDT

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      •  I don't think liberals can be pressured (0+ / 0-)

        they're not follow the leader types.

      •  We have not had Democratic primaries yet, but so (0+ / 0-)

        far, I prefer the Green Party to both major parties.  Since Connecticut is blue enough that the vote is unlikely to be close enough for my vote to matter, I plan to vote Green as a protest.  Unless Democrats manage to actually get a LOT done on mitigating anthropogenic global warming, then I might consider voting Democrat.

    •  Scared of what? (0+ / 0-)

      Both parties have long records of being pro-war ("Shoot first, ask questions later"). Dems took the lead in "free trade" agreements (NAFTA, etc.) that resulted in massive job loss, leaving so many in poverty, and Dems then wiped out the safety net. Dems have targeted the disabled a number of times since Clinton.  The "New Democrats" of the Clinton admin., many of whom are still in Congress, have enacted more right wing legislation than Republicans. There is no enthusiasm for the next election.  Democrats and liberals have utterly alienated those pushed into poverty, and there are a lot of poor and low-income people today.

  •  APOLLO 13 (33+ / 0-)

    There's a scene in the movie Apollo 13 where Gene Crantz (Flight Director) overhears a conversation between two of his staff at Mission Control just before Apollo 13 re-enters the atmosphere and responds to it.  I often think of it when I hear this Democrats are doomed claptrap.  It goes something like this (I've inserted "Dem. Party" in the appropriate places):

    Engineer:  "This will be the worst disaster in NASA (Dem. Party) history."

    Crantz: "On the contrary, I think this is going to be NASA's (the Dem. Party's) finest hour."

    It always makes me feel better about 2014.

    "Some men see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?"

    by Doctor Who on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 02:15:16 PM PDT

    •  Yes! Let's make it happen! All we have to do is (20+ / 0-)

      talk to people and make sure they know how important it is for them to VOTE IN NOVEMBER and take back the House and keep the Senate!

      GOTV!!!!

      Best. President. Ever.

      by Little Lulu on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 02:18:34 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  We can talk... (10+ / 0-)

        I only hope Democrats and progressives are going to LISTEN this time. In 2010, my wife and I spent a lot of hours volunteering, canvassing and preaching to anyone who would listen to make sure they showed up and voted. What happened? Crickets on election day. We need a commercial pointing out that little fiasco which prevents (to this day) getting this country going again. AUSTERITY.HAS.NEVER WORKED.AND.WILL.NEVER.WORK. It is time to reverse the damage and vote in Democrats to fix this mess. It is also time to stop the discrimination, homophobia, climate change denial, and suppression of voting rights. That will not happen unless people are willing to MAKE IT HAPPEN BY VOTING. I remain skeptical that people will really listen and show up. This country is becoming more and more like lemmings that can't quite grasp that their only hope of future survival is by voting NOW - and not for Republicans because they are trying to ensure our demise.

        •  ComputerGeek, I agree. And I believe the reason (11+ / 0-)

          way too many Democrats don't show up for these crucial elections is because they are told daily that they've already lost.  How do you go into a game being told the other team has already won it?  How do you get fired up enough to fight to win???

          Well, this game is RIGGED with these daily lies about how the election is already lost and that's what we need to say when we talk to our friends and family and neighbors.  When you hear that it's already over and don't bother voting, that's because THE RETHUGLICANS CAN ONLY WIN IF WE DON'T VOTE.  That's their ONLY hope.  That's why they create voter suppression laws and make sure the trad-med is repeating this meme daily up until the election.  It's all about suppressing and depressing Democrats SO THEY STAY HOME.

          We must thwart this attempt for us to lose the House again and, horror of horrors, the Senate and kick these lying, thieving bastards' butts come election day in November!

          GOTV AND FUCK THEM!!!!!

          Best. President. Ever.

          by Little Lulu on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 04:48:08 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Why didn't "they" "rigg" the election in (0+ / 0-)

            2008 and 2012?

            New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

            by AlexDrew on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 04:56:22 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Rigg? (4+ / 0-)
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              Your spelling is bad and your slip is showing.

              "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

              by elwior on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 04:58:35 PM PDT

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              •   Can you you explain why the same system allowed (1+ / 0-)
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                BHO to win two elections but managed to steal(?) 2010 and maybe 2014?

                New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                by AlexDrew on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:20:32 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Because the rigging method only allows... (4+ / 0-)

                  ...the con to work when the vote is close, and BHOs numbers advantage was too big to rig without it being very obvious.

                  (Furthermore, I believe the reason Turdblossom went so nutty on FuxNoise on election night is because they DID rig the Ohio vote totals and the hackers hacked them back!
                  I cannot believe that he reacted that way because he had deluded himself, which is the Conventional Wisdom, I believe the rumor makes a lot more sense than simple self-delusion and hubris, he had the election in the bag and they snatched it out from under his nose. Yeah, I know, we used to be reality-based around here and this story has no documentation, but I saw a "tell" on Rove's face that any good poker player would have picked up on, he was genuinely surprised...)

                  "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

                  by leftykook on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 07:31:18 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                •  Comparing apples to oranges, (0+ / 0-)

                  Presidential election years have a completely different dynamic and a much higher rate of voter participation than non-Presidential elections. The historical trends have been that the party not holding the White House gains Congressional seats in the off year elections. The question before us is how to avoid that scenario. Finding a really good reason to motivate voters to go and vote for Democratic candidates may not be easy, and in Congressional elections, all politics is local, so to speak. One might think that the do-nothing Congress of the past couple of years might provide some motivation... but there may be a plurality of the population that feels a hamstrung Federal government is not a bad thing.

                  "Politics is a good thing"- Larry Sabato

                  •  Okay I got it. If it is close and the GOP wins (0+ / 0-)

                    it was stolen.

                    Reality.Based.Community.

                    New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                    by AlexDrew on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:11:43 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

          •  We need to make sure that people know that (5+ / 0-)

            this is the GOP trying to steal their votes. That is what kept the people standing in long lines in 2008 from giving up and going home. We should all get angry...and get even by voting!

      •  What are your talking points? (3+ / 0-)
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        talk to people and make sure they know how important it is for them to VOTE IN NOVEMBER

        Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

        by gooderservice on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 06:04:53 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  They are within the diary (4+ / 0-)

          and peppered throughout the comments. The strongest are the economic ones like increasing the minimum wage. Like most Democrats I love nuance, but this is not the election for nuance. There are plenty of strong talking points e.g., in states that refused expansion: "Lack of insurance leads to death" rather than: "there are some problems with the ACA that should be fixed." As I said in another comment, I'm not naturally so focused on semantics (feels so Luntz / Rove-ish) but frankly that's what we need this time around.

      •  More Money means more wins-NOT (7+ / 0-)

        Rachel had a great segment on how the KOCHs  are spending tons of cash, just like they did in 2012, to win in 2014.  They are running TV adds like crazy with paid actors lying about the ACA among other thing.  But, many Senators up for re election are running counter adds, like Begich, to label the lie and the KOCHs for their content right now.  The media is spreading the LIE that it's over and congress will go Republican since that is just history.  BUt remember 2012 when the same thing was in play.  Congress was supposed to go totally RED and Obama's gonna lose given the tons of money at the KOCH's disposal.  It did not happen.
        WE all worked and got people to the polls on election day.

        Their meme of we will win didn't happen
        Lets get to work.  I want a great Dem to defeat Daryll here in California because frankly, I'm ashamed.
        Lets get to work.  I'm not gonna worry about 2016 and whether Hillary is running or not.  It's 2014.  

    •  Pass that bong around. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Great rant... let's keep it out in front of us (20+ / 0-)

    and GOTMFV! All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do nothing. GOTMFV!!!!!!!!!!

    "There must be something beyond slaughter and barbarism to support the existence of mankind and we must all help search for it."

    by camlbacker on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 02:22:53 PM PDT

  •  I'll vote in November as I always do- (14+ / 0-)

    against Republicans. I'd really like to have someone to vote for, but I'm really not holding out a lot of hope. I'll settle for the vague satisfaction of voting against, but that's not enough to motivate a whole lot of folks. Hope some policy or candidate comes along to change that.

    •  Really? Democrats who will bring a vote to the (33+ / 0-)

      floor of the House to raise minimum wage aren't who you'll be voting for?  Democrats who will bring a vote to the floor of the House to invest in infrastructure, like repairing neglected roads, bridges and ports are not who you'll be voting for?  Democrats who will bring a vote to the floor of the House to address immigration reform are not who you'll be voting for?  Democrats who will fund SNAP and extend unemployment insurance for millions of Americans are not who you'll be voting for?

      That's sad.  But at least you'll be voting against Rethuglicans, so that makes me glad.  Thanks!

      Best. President. Ever.

      by Little Lulu on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 02:28:57 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Where are they now? (11+ / 0-)

        We're into the 6th year of Obama's admin. Every Dem in the House has been there for at least two years. All of the Dem Senators up for re-election this November have had at least 6 years on the job. If they haven't done anything about minimum wage or infrastructure or Grand Theft before now, there is no reason to believe they'll do so next year or the year after. Though I'm sure many will promise. Campaign promises and a buck-fifty will get you a cup of coffee at McDonald's.

        Hopefully we can get MORE Dems into both house and senate. But they won't accomplish anything more than the old-timers have. We all know DLC/Third Way can be just as obstructionist as 'pukes when they want to be. Which is pretty much all the time, over anything and everything.

        I always vote. Always needle my kids, grandkids and friends to vote too. It never actually changes anything, but it does grant legitimate bitching rights. Not enough people view voting as a civic DUTY these days. I was raised to believe that, as well as to volunteer if I had the luxury not to have to work. Impoverishment of the broad middle class of my youth (and necessity for two incomes just to tread water) has made the concept of civic duty obsolete. Voting won't change that either.

        There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. - Will Rogers

        by Joieau on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 04:54:22 PM PDT

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        •  Ah, Joieau, are you trying to encourage us with (10+ / 0-)

          this?  Our votes are our civic duty, but they're all for naught?  How uplifting.  Really gets me fired up and ready to go... for NOTHING.  And when you say nothing, you must mean that the stimulus that rescued our foundering economy from another Great Depression and the investment in the American auto industry that saved thousands of jobs and the end to the Iraq war and the lowered deficit and the extension of unemployment benefits and the end to DADT and equal pay for equal work for women and the ACA providing millions of Americans with healthcare and making denying them coverage for "pre-existing conditions" illegal - all of that is just nothing.  Everything has stayed the same as it was before Barack Obama first took office because DEMOCRATS do nothing.

          Riiiiight.  You go with that.  I'm GOTV to prove, once again, that Democrats are our only hope to stop the Rethuglican machine from flattening this entire country into an impoverished pancake.

          FUCK RETHUGLICANS!!!!  GOTV!!!!!!

          Best. President. Ever.

          by Little Lulu on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:16:50 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  It's rude to ask someone about their vote (3+ / 0-)
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            If they don't want to share that confidential information, they don't have to.

            Please stop demanding Dems tell you how they are going to vote.  It's a form of intimidation and coercion.  That's not the way Dems roll.

            Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

            by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:55:58 PM PDT

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          •  You must live in a thriving city (3+ / 0-)
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            to be so gung-ho about all the wonderful things Obama has done to 'save' us from de ebil Wall Street mafia. I am not so lucky. My region is "economically depressed" in the best of times. It's just worse lately, and it's not scheduled to get any better. Oh, and we got no state exchange or Medicaid expansion either. Yeah, we know who's responsible for that ('pukes). That's an excellent reason to vote in November, and everybody I know is plenty gung-ho about that. As for the national races, those switch around regularly for no apparent reason. So we're as used to 'pukes as we are machine Dems. Shrug. We aren't looking to D.C. for any 'saviors', as D.C. has none to offer.

            I fail to see what your problem is. As I said, I always vote, and always pressure others to vote. Sometimes volunteer to knock on doors, make calls, etc. Attend meetings, line up speakers, have supported the Moral Mondays from the beginning physically and financially, man a voter registration table on occasion too. Frankly, I'm pretty disgusted by the 'party' [DLC/Third Way wings] pre-blaming We The Base for losing races THEY have decided to throw this year, with such a putrid line of garbage about how we "don't vote." That's pure bullshit.

            Our Dem challengers are trying. They are getting zero help from the 'party' state or federal, and will get none because the 'party' is saving up for Hillary (or whoever, will need a few billion to buy the Presidency in '16). Having worked elections for 22 years here, the 'party' has never made an effort to lend us a hand. So we do what we can on our own.

            I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from playing the same bullshit pre-blame-game here. Thanks.

            There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. - Will Rogers

            by Joieau on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 07:37:04 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  Joieau, Little Lulu answered your question with (2+ / 0-)
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          mockery, derision and of course a huge sprinkling of fairy dust. It's the media Joieau!!!

          New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

          by AlexDrew on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:33:55 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  you've just proven (1+ / 0-)
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          why running a good populist campaign like everyone says they should is bullshit.

          Who would believe it?

          Our problems aren't that the Democrats aren't fighting, it's that they aren't winning.

          When you keep losing a game, why would you even bother playing?

        •  What's your standard for things changing? n/t (0+ / 0-)

          The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early; don't mistake an unfulfilled dream for a lost one. A dream has no deadline!

          by Panurge on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 07:49:25 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Dems haven't brought the vote to the floor yet (6+ / 0-)

        HR 1010 is still tied up in Committee

        The discharge petition to bring it to the floor for a vote only has 195 signatures so far, it needs 218.

        Last time I checked, there were still quite a few Dems who still haven't signed the discharge petition for HR 1010.

        Let's not give our leaders credit for something they haven't done yet.

        Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

        by Betty Pinson on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:53:17 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Rather than focus on an election... (20+ / 0-)

    a mere seven months away, ANOTHER election, two years away, gets a lot of attention.

    And, of course, the PAC supporting our presumptive nominee for that election, two years away, decides to sit out this one, seven months away, instead of lending a hand.

    In other words, our side isn't doing us any favors, either.

    While talking to as many people as possible in order to get them to vote is obviously something that should be done, it helps having a bunch of good stuff to brag about to the people who need the motivation to get to the voting booth the most.

    Democratic leadership could, you know, at least try to meet us halfway by going on the offense with something more than "we suck less" as a campaign slogan.




    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

    by DeadHead on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 02:35:39 PM PDT

  •  Democrats in Disarray™ (21+ / 0-)

    its a brand. As soon as anything bad happens, its a premade headline. Very little work, high visibility. In short, its easy.

    Couple that with some OMG THE SKY IS FALLING chicken little-type hyperbole and you have the current narrative about the 2014 midterms. All based on one election in Florida Dems were doomed to loose for two reasons: 1) its a republican district and 2) the democrats ran a terrible candidate. This isn't a Martha Coakley/Scott Brown moment you dolts. The situation is completely different.

  •  I pledge to treat 2014 like a presidential year... (30+ / 0-)

    ...do you?!?!

    I'll be taking time off work before the election to canvass just like 2012....and am going to make every effort to donate as much if not more this year than two years ago.

    Where I live here in Ohio, it's hugely important that we get Ed Fitzgerald in as Governor this November to veto the bull-shite coming out of the Legislature...Nina Turner in as SoS so voting will be expanded rather than suppressed... and John Patrick Carney in as Auditor to clean up Kasich's legacy of fraud and cronyism.

    All the children of your children's children, do you ever think what they're going to find? Make tomorrow, today...

    by willy mugobeer on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 02:39:50 PM PDT

  •  I also hate the traditional media (7+ / 0-)

    but I also have to say, it's practically an axiom in American politics that the president's party loses seats in midterms.

    There have only been three exceptions to this rule, and they were:  1934 when the economy had begun recovering in 1933-34 after hitting rock bottom in 1932; 1998 when the economy was hitting the peak of the tech boom and Republicans had thoroughly turned off the public by pursuing Clinton's impeachment; and 2002 when Bush II used his 9/11 popularity to hammer Dems and push the Iraq vote which he also used to hammer Dems.

    In addition, the core members of the Dem base - minorities and young people - happen to be the groups whose turnout generally drops in non-presidential election years.

    There is also the matter of the economy right now.  Though the economy has improved somewhat, every poll out there shows that the vast majority of Americans still believe it stinks.  Though we generally blame Republicans, and while Americans generally (according to polls) trust President Obama more on the economy than Republicans, it is usually the President and his party who suffer at the polls for economic bad times.

    Lastly, there's the President's approval rating, which kind of sucks right now, and the reality is that a party's showing in midterms is tied closely with the President's approval rating.  In 2002 when Bush was popular, the Republicans gained seats; but in 2006 when Bush's popularity was in the dumps, Republicans lost Congress.  If Obama's approval continues to suck in November, Dems are likely to lose seats.

    So what to do?  I think Dems need to run on fixing and improving Obamacare, preferably by proposing that all Americans be given the option of buying into Medicare.  Secondly, I believe that Dems should run on an aggressive, economically liberal and populist platform proposing bold, sweeping, even radical government action to address the economy and inequality.  They should even distance themselves somewhat from the less than popular President by arguing that Obama's problem is that he has been too timid, too unwilling to ruffle the feathers of big business, finance, and the 1%.

    I'm not certain it'll work, but I know for certain that simply pointing out how terrible the opposition is has never worked in a midterm.  The Dems tried it in 2010 and the Repubs tried it in 2006.  We know what happened.

    Also, there's another reason Dems should run hard to the left:  they ran to Obama's right or down the middle in 2010 and got annihilated.  Might as well try going left instead.  Who knows, it might even work.

    "Those who have wrought great changes in the world never succeeded by gaining over chiefs; but always by exciting the multitude." - Martin Van Buren

    by puakev on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 02:54:35 PM PDT

    •  puakev, President Obama is much more popular (15+ / 0-)

      than he's being portrayed in the trad-med (see Jimmy Fallon and Ellen DeGeneris for confirmation) and Americans HATE RETHUGLICANS and their policies.  The only way we lose is if we DON'T VOTE.  That is all.  And that is why the trad-med is repeating daily that this election is already OVER, so don't bother to vote.

      Our job is to talk to our family, friends and neighbors and make it a PRIORITY to VOTE this November so we can save this country from more Rethuglican greed and destruction and keep the economy recovering.  Thanks to DEMOCRATS, jobs numbers have improved while unemployment numbers have decreased, DESPITE what Rethuglicans would do if they had total control again.  Democrats have improved made healthcare affordable, rescued the American car industry, provided equal pay for equal work and ended DADT - the list goes on and on and our only hope is to take back the House and keep the Senate to keep America moving forward instead of being thrown under a bus.

      GOTV instead of pointing out how futile it is to even attempt to WIN.  G.O.T.V.  Period!!!

      Best. President. Ever.

      by Little Lulu on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 03:05:00 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Let's leave "fixing" ACA out of it... (7+ / 0-)

      shall we? And just boldly campaign on it's strengths and how it can be made even stronger. Also, let's be sure to call out all the Repubs who refused Expansion and that fact that it will cost lives. "Fixing" ACA is a blue dog / wimpy meme.

    •  1962 & 1970 (1+ / 0-)
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      The Republicans lost 3 Senate seats in the 1962 Kennedy midterm.

      The Democrats lost 4 Senate seats in the 1970 Nixon midterm.

      So, that's 4 out of 13 recent midterms that went the other way (including 2002 & 1998).

      Yours is not a very good axiom.  Kind of a poor postulate.

      •  I notice you fail to mention the House (3+ / 0-)

        races in those years.  Republicans won 4 House seats in 1962 and the Democrats gained 12 House seats in 1970.  And those both took place amidst relatively good economic times and with presidents whose approval ratings were fairly high - Kennedy's was in the 70s in November 1962, Nixon's was in the mid 50s.

        Not to mention the 1962 midterms took place weeks after the Cuban Missile Crisis, in which the country rallied around the President much as they usually do in national emergencies.

        It's not exactly a secret that the president's party generally loses seats in midterms.  As political scientist Alan Abramowitz has noted,

        "the party holding the White House had lost seats in the House of Representatives in 14 of the 16 midterm elections between 1946 and 2006 with an average loss of just over 24 seats. While the pattern in Senate elections was not quite as regular, it was still evident—the president’s party had lost seats in the upper chamber in 12 of 16 midterm elections between 1946 and 2006 with an average loss of between 3 and 4 seats."
        And this is especially the case, as Gallup has noted, when the President's approval is below 50%:
        "Since 1946, when presidents are above 50% approval, their party loses an average of 14 seats in the U.S. House in the midterm elections, compared with an average loss of 36 seats when presidents are below that mark."
        So as I said, it's pretty much an axiom.

        "Those who have wrought great changes in the world never succeeded by gaining over chiefs; but always by exciting the multitude." - Martin Van Buren

        by puakev on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 04:42:57 PM PDT

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        •  Sounds like you're very hopeful the past will (3+ / 0-)

          speak to the future and Rethuglicans will gain seats in the House.  Why is that?  Why do you want to keep repeating history to prove that this election is already lost?

          The truth is very simple.  There are millions more Democrats than there are Rethuglicans.  All we have to do is VOTE in November and WE WILL WIN.  Telling us that, historically, we can't win or that the election is already lost is working for Rethuglicans, because they only win IF WE DON'T VOTE.

          WE VOTE, WE WIN.  Period.  It's as simple as that.  So our job is to GOTV in November and nothing else.  We don't have to argue with history or argue with the trad-med meme that it's already over.  All we have to do is GOTV and WE WIN.

          GOTV AND FUCK RETHUGLICANS IN NOVEMBER!!!!  Period!!!

          Best. President. Ever.

          by Little Lulu on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:01:03 PM PDT

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          •  Hopeful that Republicans will gain seats? No. (1+ / 0-)
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            But nor do I believe in magical thinking.  I'm just laying out the reality we're dealing with here.

            I strongly believe that acting based on a clear-eyed view of the political reality as it is and has been is far more likely to result in effective action than acting based on fantasy or wishful thinking.

            If Democrats look at the playing field as it stands, as it is likely to look in November barring any unforeseen turn in events, and based on what the cumulative historical record tells us, then we should recognize the challenge that lies ahead, but more importantly what to do and what not to do.

            What the record tells us is that for Dems to win this fall, either 1) President Obama's approval needs to get up to 48-50%, 2) the economy and jobs creation need to accelerate significantly, or 3) the voters of the President's party must be given some extra impetus to turn out.  Or all three or some combination of the three.  

            What doesn't work and never has worked is simply saying the opposition is terrible, or assuming the President is actually more popular than what the polls show.  

            "Those who have wrought great changes in the world never succeeded by gaining over chiefs; but always by exciting the multitude." - Martin Van Buren

            by puakev on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:21:39 PM PDT

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        •  And if you lose New Hampshire (3+ / 0-)

          in the primaries, you never go on to win the White House.

          Until Clinton did.

          "If you are cast on a desert island with only a screwdriver, a hatchet, and a chisel to make a boat...go make the best one you can. It would be better if you had a saw, but you haven't." T.Roosevelt on politics.

          by NCJan on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:08:10 PM PDT

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          •  Notice I never used the word "never" (0+ / 0-)

            what I laid out is what is most likely to happen, based on what has happened most of the time in the past.

            And based on the historical record, assuming the President's approval and the state of the economy remain where they are today, and assuming that Democrats do not offer more beyond what they are offering today to pump up their voters, November is likely to result in a loss of a good number of seats.

            So assuming that all happens, we have to just hope enough Republican Senate candidates will implode that Dems will retain the Senate, as was the case in 2010.  Dems retaking the House is very, very unlikely to happen.

            "Those who have wrought great changes in the world never succeeded by gaining over chiefs; but always by exciting the multitude." - Martin Van Buren

            by puakev on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:31:50 PM PDT

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          •  The fact that you are reaching back to the (0+ / 0-)

            glory days of 2008 is very telling.

            New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

            by AlexDrew on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:36:26 PM PDT

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            •  2008? (3+ / 0-)
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              Clinton lost New Hampshire in 1992.

              I was talking about Bill.

              And I think you missed my point, which is that conventional wisdom is right--until it's wrong.

              "If you are cast on a desert island with only a screwdriver, a hatchet, and a chisel to make a boat...go make the best one you can. It would be better if you had a saw, but you haven't." T.Roosevelt on politics.

              by NCJan on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 06:57:01 PM PDT

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        •  Often the past gets repeated, (3+ / 0-)

          but sometimes it doesn't.

    •  So how do you fix and improve Obamacare by letting (0+ / 0-)

      all Americans buy into Medicare?   Will health insurance firms be willing to settle for being pensioned off with most claims clerks being retrained to work for Medicare and salesmen being told to go find some other product to sell?

  •  Psyching out the opposition (22+ / 0-)

    They think if convince us there's no point in voting, we won't turn out. We MUST prove them wrong.

    Anyone endorsing war in the Ukraine should be flogged over the head with the fact that Iraq now approves child marriage. Full stop. Heckva job, Neocons.

    by blueoregon on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 03:00:15 PM PDT

  •  It's the economy (7+ / 0-)

    Until Democrats embrace populism in word and deed, you're going to get the anemic "lesser evil" turnout.

    Obama: self-described Republican; backed up by right-wing policies

    by The Dead Man on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 03:00:42 PM PDT

  •  I Wish the Democrats (5+ / 0-)

    Were making a full-court press to get people excited about the election.

    They should be rolling out a whole platform of new ideas about jobs, family welfare, elder security and infrastructure investment.

    Then they could point to that and say, "Vote for us and you'll get this!"

    They aren't doing that, though.

    As far as I can tell, the Democrats are not bringing anything to the table except austerity, cuts to Social Security and ... uh ... not sure there is anything else out there.

    "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

    by bink on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 03:00:49 PM PDT

  •  Facts my friend (5+ / 0-)

    Yes Democrats might win seats in the house and not lose the senate, but such a large swing in favor of the presidents party has never happened and the only time a secon term president picked up any seats he had an approval rating if 67%

    So could an unpopular president pick up enough seats?  Maybe but it would be practically unprecedented.  We had our turn and we pretty much blew it.  Now the GOP gets another shot in 2016

  •  Spot on. (6+ / 0-)

    The MSM and the propaganda machine are in full crackpot mode, they have a sickening feeling that being against health care is a bad move. I think is is somewhat fear motivated.

    If dems hammer on that and keeping SS strong, plus roll out a plan to repair the infrastructure at the expense of the wealthy, oh maybe that's too much.

    A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

    by onionjim on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 03:06:58 PM PDT

  •  Great rant and diary! (13+ / 0-)

    I agree 100%. Almost as discouraging as the media message that we've already lost, is the prevalence of that message here on Daily Kos. Seconded only by the frequent opinions here that Dems "deserve" to lose, or don't "deserve" to win. I'm all in for victories in 2014.

  •  And The Leaders Of The Doom Pack Are: (11+ / 0-)

    Chris Matthews & Howard Finemann.  Matthews is pushing Rand Paul for President & pushing him hard.  Howard
    Finemann is his usual Republican self....beating the
    drum for Dems to go ahead & give up now.  We'll never regain the House & the Senate is also a loss.

    Good ole Howard.....he never misses an opportunity to produce the knife to the Dems so they can cut their own throats in despair.  

  •  Same media that hyped the end of the ACA, IRS (9+ / 0-)

    "scandal", Benghazi, Romney in a landslide, et al ... it's a ratings/excitement/eyeball driven machine and Dems and Obama losing the Senate and the ACA being "rejected" is an "exciting story" to tell.

    But the election is 8 month out - they have nothing better to discuss than black holes swallowing planes and psychics tracking the ocean floor for debris and "mad Vlad" ... Dems getting trounced and losing the Senate fits the bill regardless.

    And of course, if things change and it turns out in a few months that Dems are doing "better" - then everyone loves a "comeback" story, too. I expect that story to begin in earnest about two months before the election and then we get "Dem-GOP Cage Match from Hell!"

    "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

    by We Shall Overcome on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 03:30:42 PM PDT

  •  The "lame duck curse" (6+ / 0-)

    How many times has a "lame duck" second term president been in office during mid-term elections?  

    Well, let's see...here's the Senate.  The numbers are the turnover; if there are two numbers, seats were added.

    An asterisk indicates no party change for POTUS.  We've treated GW as a Federalist (he was in fact an independent and statistically is an outlier one way or the other).

    Big H means incumbent party lost the House.  Small h means the incumbent's party lost seats but there was no turnover.

    1. George Washington (-3 -2) (H)
    2. Thomas Jefferson (+1) *
    3. James Madison (-2 -2) *
    4. James Monroe (-1)
    5. Andrew Jackson (+2 +4) (h)
    6. Ulysses S Grant (+8 +2) *
    7. Grover Cleveland (-5) (H)
    8. Teddy Roosevelt (+3) * (h)
    9. Woodrow Wilson (-6) (h)
    10. Calvin Coolidge (-6) * (h)
    11. Harry S. Truman (-5) (H)
    12. Dwight Eisenhower (-14 -2) (h)
    13. Ronald Reagan (-8) * (h)
    14. Bill Clinton (0)
    15. George W. Bush (-5) (H)

    So, let's see, we have a sample size of 15 in all of American history.  I can tell you right now there is not enough data here to make any kind of statistical assertion.

    The last Democrat to lose seats as a 2nd term lame duck was Harry S. Truman.  Before that, it's not even a predictor for Democrats.  However, the party alignment didn't even remotely represent the current political situation until the 1920s, and dixiecrats skewed everything until recently.

    The bottom line here is that there is no support for the notion that the Republicans are going to turn over both houses or even gain seats.  And I would put the odds in favor of the Democrats gaining house seats -- whether this is enough to turn it over is far more problematic.  Similarly, if the Democrats don't lose seats in the Senate, it's going to be a serious indictment of the Republicans but it's not at all obvious that the Senate is going to turn over.  Note that the Republicans would be in trouble there as well but the Republicans have far fewer seats and far fewer at-play seats.

    The biggest determinants are:\

    - The quality and effectiveness of our GOTV.  If Obama's big data technology for voter turnout is running full steam and we put a good effort in, we're gonna win.  If we screw up GOTV and outreach and don't aggressively contest this, we're screwed.

    - How much Obamacare turns from an asset to a liability for the President.  Remember that the opposition to Obamacare includes a healthy contingent of people who wanted single-payer; these folks are not going to vote R because of it.

    - The general state of the economy, although this is more relevant for POTUS than for offices further down.

    - The extent to which the Republicans snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.  Keep them teaparty challengers coming!

  •  Three words... (14+ / 0-)

    Scott Fucking Walker.

    So, yeah I'm mighty motivated.

    No one knows what it's like, To be the bad man, To be the sad man, behind blue eyes....

    by blueyedace2 on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 03:34:50 PM PDT

  •  Excellent Rant! I agree that when we let the (9+ / 0-)

    Republicans control OUR message, well that message is gibberish and sucks. So new message:
    We can win! We will Win and more and better jobs for all. We will have roads, we will have bridges and no you cannot have another oil subsidy.
    Thanks LL for the coals to bank the fire to GOTMFV!!!
    Peace and Blessings!

    “When you victim-blame, be aware that in all likelihood, at least one woman you know and love silently decides she cannot trust you.” ` Steph Guthrie

    by Penny GC on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 03:50:33 PM PDT

  •  We do need to do whatever we can (3+ / 0-)

    ...to ensure that we upset the Republican meme, which the Republican-owned news media is picking up to try to suppress the vote in a de facto way, as you've alluded to.

    We know what needs to be done: to ensure we get our supporters interested enough to get out and vote this November.

    The next question is: How?

    Exactly what can we do to try to make these shills for the one percent wake up with egg all over their faces on Nov. 5?

    We need to do as you said, but on a mass basis: educate our key constituent groups that the one percent is trying to manipulate them into apathy.

    It sure would be great if President Obama's campaign organization, OFA, which showed exceptional skills in using social media and networking in its 2008 and 2012 elections, would kick all of those same resources into high gear. After all, the election of 2014 is just as critical, if not more so, for Barack Obama's success as were the elections of 2008 and 2012. If we can convince enough of his supporters that that's the case, we might have a chance to pull a major upset this November.

    Perhaps we can do it "under the radar," allowing Republicans the false sense of overconfidence while we work like we're the biggest underdogs ever.

  •  It's like the upcoming baseball season (8+ / 0-)

    Many "experts" are telling baseball fans that it's inevitable -- the LA Dodgers are going to run away with the National League West, that they're just too powerful.

    And it's true -- on paper, the Dodgers are formidable.

    But baseball, fortunately is played on grass and dirt. It's a long season and anything can happen.

    The election season is just as long -- and just as hard as hitting a Clayton Kershaw fast ball out of the park. But with a lot of hard work, we can hold the Senate and make inroads into the House (might have to wait till the Presidential year to reclaim it totally).

    The other thing it reminds me of is The Empire Strikes Back:

    C-3PO: Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3,720 to 1.

    Han Solo: Never tell me the odds.

    There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

    by Cali Scribe on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 03:55:51 PM PDT

  •  Woot, woot! Great rant. Simple campaign (10+ / 0-)

    slogan:  "If you want ___, vote Democratic."  Off hand, I can think of a a bunch of things that would fit - increased minimum wage, immigration reform, ENDA, lower interest rates on student loans, expanded Head Start.   Or KISS and just say"fairness".

    OTOH, the only thing I can think of off hand for the Republicans is "If you want more military sending, vote Republican".  Excuse me.  Another thought:  "If you want more welfare for billionaires, vote Republican."  

    Democrats are going to have to struggle for every vote cast in November.  In addition to talking to friends, neighbours, etc. as many Kossacks as possible (especially those in red staes) should be helping register anyone who wants to vote but is a target of voter suppression laws.   Do it one person at a time.  Help figure out what ID is required and how to get it.  If someone needs transportation, DRIVE THEM to the birth certificate place and then drive them to the DMV (or whatever issues ID cards) and then drive them to the registration place and then drive them to the polls on election day.  Figure out your state deadline for getting registered and then check the voters list well ahead of time to make sure you or anyone you're helping is registered.

    Also, figure out the rules in your state for casting absentee ballots and help people apply for them and make sure they know when they have to be mailed in, or whatever.

    I could go on, but you probably get the idea.  :)  

    P.S.  If I could vote, I'd have gone for all of the above in the poll question.  

    We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

    by Observerinvancouver on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 03:58:47 PM PDT

  •  Thank you Little Lulu (9+ / 0-)

    for speaking for me, as I feel as you do.

    I'm concerned that the media and Democrats are focused on 2016 while more paramount for all of us is to GOTV for 2014 so we keep and win seats! IMO the gloom and doom hype being drummed up by the media, that we are going to lose the Senate is, well, just baloney.

     

    I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

    by KayCeSF on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 04:53:00 PM PDT

  •  Nice rant, Lulu!!!! (7+ / 0-)

    Recc'd and tipped.

    You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

    by MikePhoenix on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 04:59:42 PM PDT

  •  I agree with everything you wrote (8+ / 0-)

    in this diary, but I have a suggestion -- that what you've called traditional media would be better termed "corporate media". I think this is more accurate than either "traditional" or "mainstream" because what the talking heads are feeding us is neither of those things.

  •  media can't answer why r's lost Virginia (13+ / 0-)

    off year, after opposition party won white house, etc

    yet R's lost 3 r held positions

  •  Tipped. Recced. Hotlisted. (7+ / 0-)

    And if I could pay the Mormon Tabernacle Choir ro sing it aloud in downtown Colorado Springs, Colorado, I'd do that, too!

    :-)

    "It's high time (and then some) that we put an end to the exceptionalistic nonsense floating around in our culture and face the fact that either the economy works for all, or it doesn't work AT all." -- Sean McCullough (DailyKos user thanatokephaloides)

    by thanatokephaloides on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:32:28 PM PDT

  •  Republicans know if you repeat something (8+ / 0-)

    often enough, people will believe it. It doesn't matter if it's truth or not. So they're repeating this over and over, that they've already won, so that voters, wanting to be on the 'winning' side, will vote for them without really thinking about it.

    The best way to combat this is to repeat facts often enough so that people believe them. Especially facts about what the Republicans actually stand for and what will happen if people vote for them.

    "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

    by FloridaSNMOM on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:39:30 PM PDT

    •  "People will believe it" (0+ / 0-)

      What people?

      Democratic voters? NOPE.

      if democratic voters don't show up this fall, it's because of reasons other than the daily drivel on FAUX News and on Reich wing radio.

      "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

      by Superpole on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 05:33:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Political narratives can change abruptly (9+ / 0-)
    Christie wins re-election; seen as prelude to 2016
    http://www.usatoday.com/...

    Example: Chris Christie.

    His landslide re-election as governor of New Jersey all but cemented the foregone conclusion that he was the most resilient rising star in the GOP and frontrunner for President in 2016.

    Now, a mere four months later, it remains to be seen if he can remain governor and out of jail.

    Voters ultimately control the political narrative with the only poll that matters: election day.

    "I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights." (From "You Said a Mouthful" by Bishop Desmond Tutu - South African bishop & activist, b.1931)

    by FiredUpInCA on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:45:36 PM PDT

  •  Fired Up, Ready to Go, But... (5+ / 0-)

    The party and big donors have pretty much written off rural districts. I'm a low level party leader in rural MN and it looks like we won't get much help with our local campaigns. This despite the fact that we have winnable districts and great candidates. The big $$$ will flow to the metro districts and to defend dem incumbents rather than to defeat incumbent republicans.

  •  If Dems stay home it will teach the moderates (3+ / 0-)

    To place far left Scandanavian socialists next election, thus getting us closer to what we don't understand yet that we want. That's the theory, or are you a third-way shill?

    “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty Also, I moved from NYC, so my username is inaccurate.

    by jeff in nyc on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 05:55:30 PM PDT

  •  WE need to lay it on the line... (1+ / 0-)
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    as scarey as it may sound we need to be frank...if the repukes win the Senate, we will go to war and this time it may be nuclear!!!  We need to be very clear on that point.

  •  What we need is a poll. (3+ / 0-)
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    A.  WE ARE SO FUCKED
    B.  WE ARE NOT FUCKED

    I'll bet you a substantial percentage of people on this site would answer A if the amount of utter despair on this very thread is any indication.  And we complain about Democratic candidates???

    OCCUPY THE DEMS!

    The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early; don't mistake an unfulfilled dream for a lost one. A dream has no deadline!

    by Panurge on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 07:53:38 PM PDT

    •  Yeah, it's A. Because: (0+ / 0-)

      "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

      by Superpole on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 05:30:26 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  But that's not us being fucked. (0+ / 0-)

        it's us not turning out, which is the whole point here.

        The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early; don't mistake an unfulfilled dream for a lost one. A dream has no deadline!

        by Panurge on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 06:36:50 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Believe Me, I GET IT (0+ / 0-)

          I've been talking about feeble democratic voter turnout here for years-- and getting mostly the dull bovine stare as the result.

          People ultimately vote their pocketbooks. There's no reason for me or anyone to believe minorities and the youth voter are going to turn out for democrats this fall.

          "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

          by Superpole on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:52:29 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Not if I can (2+ / 0-)
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    help it!!

    "People are more than the worst things that they do,"--Chris Hayes

    by chicating on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 08:01:37 PM PDT

  •  Excellent Diary Lulu, tipped and recommended (3+ / 0-)
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    Bravo !!!  I am in full agreement.

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    by wishingwell on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 08:19:21 PM PDT

  •  A righteous rant Little Lulu, thanks. (4+ / 0-)

    "Seriously, Folks, WTH?" - ("What the Heck? "h/t Joan McCarter, Seriously, Florida. WTF?)

    by HoundDog on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 08:29:36 PM PDT

  •  Yes, and if they can put bugs (0+ / 0-)

    in the electronic voting machines, flipping the vote, it will all be, "We told you so."  Meh.  We do need to get out the vote!  Make exit polling overwhelming.  Too bad Carter wasn't able to bring in UN vote monitors to our fair "democracy."

  •  Voting doesn't matter remember? (2+ / 0-)
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    We need to stop focusing on winning elections and building support for Progressive policies and get to work on ___!

    "See? I'm not a racist! I have a black friend!"

    by TheHalfrican on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 09:10:30 PM PDT

  •  I actually prefer this position, we want the GOP (1+ / 0-)
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    Cocky and careless and thinking they have it in the bag.  Just think of all the sound bites we're in store for, from an oblivious, arrogant, confident GOP.

    Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

    by Gurnt on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 10:12:45 PM PDT

  •  FUCK, Lets Get To Work (3+ / 0-)
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    That's all. Thank You!

    We must learn to live together as brothers or we are going to perish together as fools. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by texasteamster on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 10:38:42 PM PDT

  •  I've long speculated... (0+ / 0-)

    ...that the Democratic establishment has some sort of vested interest in protecting certain Republican elected officials (such as Susan Collins and Sean Duffy, among others), even if doing so would cause some Democratic incumbents to lose re-election.

    Until the Democratic Party is led by a group of people who are genuinely interested in pushing for progressive policies instead of playing the gentlemen's agreement game with Republicans, there's going to be a big dropoff in midterm/off-year turnout by Democratic voters.

    •  That's bullshit (2+ / 0-)
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      Arguably Maine's most powerful Democrat at the time ran against Collins in 2008. The race was considered by the DSCC as a high priority, but he never caught fire.

      I don't doubt that there may be some Republicans who they feel can be useful, but since 2008, we've went after many of them (take Chris Shays for example).

  •  Sorry It's Not Claptrap (0+ / 0-)

    here's some basic facts from Cook Political Report:

    In 2012 - according to exit polls - House Democrats won 60 percent of voters ages 18-29, 51 percent of voters ages 30-44, 47 percent of voters ages 45-64, and 44 percent of voters ages 65 and older. That combination was enough to win them a 49 percent to 48 percent plurality of all votes cast for House (even if Republicans still kept a comfortable majority thanks to Democrats' inefficient distribution on the map and redistricting).

    But had Democrats won the same levels of support among each age group in 2010, Republicans would still have won a clear plurality of all votes cast that year. How? Voters under the age of 30 were 19 percent of all voters in 2012, but just 12 percent of all voters in 2010. Likewise, voters 65 and up were 17 percent of all voters in 2012, but 21 percent of all voters in 2012. Herein lies the biggest danger for Democratic candidates in 2014.

    Midterm elections have always drawn older voters, and usually drawn white voters, to the polls in disproportionate numbers.

    Not enough democrats care about midterm elections. I still don't see what is going to motivate them to care this fall, given our still crappy economy and lack of progress in congress on critical issues.

    http://cookpolitical.com/...

    "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

    by Superpole on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 05:28:57 AM PDT

    •  LOL! So you came into this diary to spread the (2+ / 0-)
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      prediction that we're heading for a nice, big, fat LOSS come November, eh?  Well watch this space.  The same predictions were being made that HRC was going to win the primaries against BHO and she LOST.  The same predictions were being made about McCain vs. BHO because BHO couldn't possibly win and McCain LOST.  Now, we're losing because that's just how it goes in a mid-term election.  Well I say fuck that.  We are going to get minorities, women, first-time voters and every registered Dem to the polls despite the predictions and the voter suppression and history.  Rethuglicans deserve to get their asses kicked come November.  GOTV.  Period.

      Best. President. Ever.

      by Little Lulu on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:04:02 AM PDT

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      •  WRONG; I'm Hear to Present Basic Facts (0+ / 0-)

        regarding what voters actually do.

        I certainly did not predict HRC was going to beat Obama in the primaries; just like I don't buy she's a LOCK to win in 2016.

        I certainly didn't buy Stumpy McCain was going to beat Obama.

        We are going to get minorities, women, first-time voters and every registered Dem to the polls despite the predictions
        Oh, YAYYYYYYY!~ Now I just need to know how the democratic party is going to make that happen-- given the reality of what is going on-- outside of bloggo world.

        "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

        by Superpole on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:54:12 AM PDT

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  •  It's time to cut the Republican brand to shreds (3+ / 0-)
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    Republicans were successful in destroying the "Liberal" label. Liberals are into social engineering, they will tax you to death and take away your guns. They are all immoral and they hate America. Problem solved!

    The Democratic response was to move to the RIght, cross their fingers and keep their mouths shut.

    We need a daily dose of shredding Rupublican ideology. They represent the rich, they are war mongerers if not war criminals, they are destroying the middle class, they will take away your rights granted by the Consitution, they are anti-science and are blocking response to Climate Change. They will destroy the US economy and turn us into a banana republic of extreme wealth for a few and poverty for the rest of us. "If we had listened to the Republicans we would be in an economic depression and GM and Chrysler would be gone, a loss of $XB in commerce and Y0,000 jobs"

    It's up to a few Democratic leaders to implement this strategy, including Obama. We need a few voices that are load and clear and have a consistant message.

  •  This is what happened in 2010....it was in the (4+ / 0-)

    media for months that the Republicans would win the House and Senate so people thought it was a done deal and by not voting made it so.   We need to drag everyone out to vote in November and prove them wrong!

  •  Stephanie Miller believed, too, that (0+ / 0-)

    the Dems wouldn't lose the House in 2010.  

    Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

    by gooderservice on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 02:14:32 PM PDT

  •  November 2014 is THE most important election,ever! (0+ / 0-)

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    just sayin...

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    by ArthurPoet on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 11:29:00 AM PDT

  •  Why they're telling us this (0+ / 0-)

    I figure the reason we are hearing about our premature loss of the Senate is because it's a tool to get people to get out and vote.  

    The more effective tool is to offer policies that people actually want, but that seems to never quite come from Democrats who think victory is always somewhere in "the middle."  You know, the middle, where Reagan used to be: what we now call the middle.

  •  We will do better than anyone predicts (0+ / 0-)

    While the 2nd midterm is traditionally the worst for the president's party, we have a few things going for us. 2010 is still fresh in our minds, Democratic umbrella orgs (DSCC, etc.) have had RECORD fundraising numbers, we kind of broke the back of the rabid right wing by beating them in 2012, and we have some strong issues to energize our base (min. wage, cannabis, LGBT equality, etc.).

    Bold Progressive. Deal with it.

    by novenator on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 03:50:30 PM PDT

  •  Like Friday Night Football (1+ / 0-)
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    The Rs are attempting to "psyche out" the opposition by claiming we've already lost.  (Ever notice now they tend to reduce everything to about the emotional/intellectual level of a football game? And no, I'm not slamming football; just using what I believe to be an apt analogy.)

    If they can convince the rank and file that our votes would be a waste of our precious time, they win by default (the only way they COULD win after debacle upon debacle both collectively and for their individual "shining stars" - remember how big Chris Christie was going to be for them? He was being groomed for a Presidential run in 2016.)

    So we ignore them, go out and vote their backsides out of those cushy Capitol Hill chairs and we ignore their adolescent attempts at psychology.

  •  I hope the Repugnicans do (0+ / 0-)

    feel like they've got it made in 2014.  Mitt was sure he was going to win according to his pollsters.  And I hope they don't pass immigration reform this year.  It will just give Hispanics more ammo to vote against them.  The Dems have to do more to get voters out though.  You know, saying in their ads that if voters are tired of the gridlock in DC, then please come out and vote.

  •  I wish our odds were better (0+ / 0-)

    but they're not. Yes, much of it is a self-fulfilling prophecy from the MSM, but the rest of it is fact. Democrats don't vote in midterms, but Republicans do. The party establishment has basically given up on races that absolutely should be competitive, like Wendy Davis's run for governor of Texas or our Senate and even House races right here in Kansas.

    And then they wonder why we lose.

    At least we're likely to get rid of Brownback. I'll have to console myself with that.

    Yes, it's unconscionable that the Republicans could be anything but severely punished for all the bullshit they've pulled but we're talking about trends of 30 years that are very hard to reverse.

    edwardlcote.blogspot.com

    by Edward L Cote on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 05:43:44 PM PDT

  •  Let the GOTP... (0+ / 0-)

    learn their lesson the hard way, like they did in 2012 and this year!  They've been amply warned by their own Party to change their attitudes and ways.  They won't listen... so much more is the pity!

  •  Alex Sink (0+ / 0-)

    I watched from across Florida Alex Sink lose to a weak Republican, and she fought a good fight.  I watched W Bush win one and cheat one election into the WH.  With W he did not win as much as my Democrats found a way to lose.  I am very afraid this fall will be more of the same considering the Sink loss.
    I was inspired (64 yr Texan) when Wendy Davis called out Abbott and told him to act a Texan and man up.  She cut his nuts off.  She is showing Democrats how it is done.  I have hope but I am VERY VERY concerned.  

    I believe in separation of corporation and State.

    by tipring on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 06:13:44 PM PDT

  •  just laugh it off (1+ / 0-)
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    Every time I hear someone make the prediction that Republicans will win back the house in November, I laugh.  It exactly the same thing they did with Romney, and look how that turned out.  The one I find the funniest, is the claim that the reason they will win is because the President's approval numbers are so low.  While it might be true that President Obama's approval numbers are low they are still far ahead of the GOPs - so by their own logic it is they who are in the losing spot.  As always their logic is off, they leave out any facts that might not support what they are claiming and continue to live in a made up dream world.  

    •  Laughing! (0+ / 0-)

      I agree, ELW22.  I've been laughing at these predictions while thinking "they wish".  The Rethugs' approval has never been so low.  They have never shown their slimy hand so clearly.  They are against everything middle class America needs:  Extended unemployment, higher minimum wage, expanded Social Security, healthcare for all, fair pay for women, the list goes on and on.  Let's tirelessly point out why we need to vote the Rethugs out of office and inspire our fellow Dems to go vote.  That the Rethugs live in a fact-free fantasy world when it comes to November's vote isn't surprising, given that they live there nearly all the time.  Let's give them their comeuppance.  I can't wait.  

  •  Now, the good part (0+ / 0-)

    of all this negative news is it will cause the somewhat lazy-ass Democrats to actually get out and vote - and the overweening republicans will 'sleep-in' on their anticipated laurels.  Maybe bad news is actually good news.

  •  Do you really believe? (0+ / 0-)

    Obama has not acted like a democrat but I get that people that can't get past a label and so they have to vote against the current evil.

    But how about using our brains and voting for someone that actually has a voting record that is in line with our progressive thinking?  No, that wouldn't be Hillary.  But it could be the green party or Bernie Sanders.  Perhaps someone will enter the race that we aren't expecting.

    The question is can you get enough nerve up to vote for someone like Ralph Nader or would you prefer to stick with someone that will ruin the country even more?

  •  poll (0+ / 0-)

    really! really! 78% voted that the poor Democrats do everything they can to help us from the dark lord evil republicans. my god people wake up. do not let the dems hold our hands and tell us "sorry we tried so hard to help you" f' that. Get off your lazy whimpy ass dems and stand up to the all mighty dollar. Sorry for the anger but C yes C was the correct answer. The rest of you should be flogged. good day and thanks for your compliance,

  •  We're NOT losing if we show up! (0+ / 0-)

    If anything this guys comments are to put him in the spot light and motivate us to get off our butts. It's a while away and he's got time to change his "mind" again..
     Nation wide we should clean House and keep the Senate too. The GOP and their accomplices, the corporate owned media are counting on us (traditionally) not showing for midterms..But we're showing up with 10 friends plus and bugging everyone until the day after election day..and anyone who stays home..we'll call them accomplices to the Tea Party anti humanity crowds take over and never speak to them again..But we're NOT losing. The only way they win is if we fail to show up. I loved the rant by the way.

  •  Remember 1998? (0+ / 0-)

    Then too, we were told over and over again that resistance was futile, that the Republicans would increase their majorities because that's what always happens in midterm elections, that the public's disgust with Bill Clinton would doom the Democrats. Newt Gingrich vowed never to make a speech without mentioning Monica Lewinsky and the impeachment. And what did that get them? A lot of embarrassing losses. Not, unfortunately, a final destruction of their majority -- that had to wait for '96 -- but a definite comeuppance. This time around, we're told that Obamacare will sink the Dems. Hmm, it's a long time till November, and more and more people are liking what they see on the health insurance exchanges. By all means yes, do all you can to get out the vote, because we can win this one.

  •  They are doing it (0+ / 0-)

    to discourage people from voting. To make everyone say "fuck it, why bother". We have to ignore that bullshit and like the rant says, talk to our friends and family, make sure that those who are close to you know the stakes, register, and vote. Find a progressive candidate you can get behind and do that with money and time, if possible. Unfortunately, many of today's dems are a bunch of cowards who are running scared because they DO believe that crap they see everyday on corporate "news". They don't really deserve our support, but what choice do we have? It's either them or a bunch of slaves to the Koch Bros. Maybe once they see that the people are actually behind them, they will grow a pair. This is all especially true in red states where draconian gerrymandering and voter suppression has made it almost impossible to make these thugs feel our wrath. It can be done, but only if we can get like-minded folks to see what's going on and get out and vote in those places. Yes, we can do this, but it's going to take more than words in a blog. I live in the solidly blue NE, where our candidates are relatively safe. Those of us in the same boat should look at what's going on in those red states, find a candidate down there that you can get behind and support them financially. That's what I plan to do.

  •  oh, there was an all of the above?? (0+ / 0-)

    I was in "hanging is too good for them" mode and voted A right away :)

    New Plan: Obamacare Old Plan: Nobodycares

    by groupw on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 08:24:54 AM PDT

  •  I'm voting Freen come November because I am (0+ / 0-)

    disgusted with both major parties.

  •  Personally I think its to motivate (0+ / 0-)

    The country has been moving left in many ways for years. People saw what the Republican government could do in giving us two wars and devastating the world economy.
    I think the Dems don't want anyone to sit on their hands now that they stand to take back the House and keep the Senate. The Dems had more votes in the House but due to Republican gerrymandering they kept the majority.
    The dumb and self-destructive will come out in great numbers and vote for their facilitators of oppression, selfishness and greed. But the Dems are afraid that even in this high time for Dems they won't get the vote they need to take the House because the majority of voters identify themselves as independent due to the corruption of the two party system maintaining the status quo for the wealthy and the stupid.
    The Dems are pre-emptively hyping the fear to get people to vote for the lesser of two evils. The more progressive servants of the wealthy. the Dems. Instead of voting for any sort of real change by voting for candidate that may bring about real change. Non-Repubs and Dems. Which may cost the Dems the majority. I really believe it's the Dems politicking. Manipulating the vote and the small money donors.

  •  The Media (0+ / 0-)

    The media would like nothing more than to have a Republican America. This crap goes on every election. Remember President Obama might lose Ohio, Florida, Virginia and Pennsylvania. This was constant chatter in the so called liberal news media and what happened, President Obama won ever one of those states. The media wants to help with voter suppression by telling people that the Republicans will take the Senate which might discourage some Democrats from voting. It will work in a Congressional race however I do not think it will work in a Senate or National election.

  •  Why they are telling us..... (0+ / 0-)

    They are telling us that because they want us to buy it, believe it and say it, to produce a self-fulfilling prophesy. Every democrat, green party, progressive, etc. needs to
    Read "David and Goliath" underdogs, misfits and the Art of battling giants. By Malcolm Gladwell.

  •  Overlooked (0+ / 0-)

    Clinton/Gore targeted the poor, giving us 8 years of George Bush. The poor didn't vote for Bush; they voted third party, or withheld their votes, and the middle class elected Bush. The poor/low-income strongly voted for Obama in hopes that he could launch a legitimate discussion about American poverty. That didn't happen. Lib media continued to wave the Middle Class Only banner (albeit with an occasional pat on the head to the working poor). Much of lib media has chosen to toss VP Biden aside to campaign for H. Clinton, a powerful lobbyist for NAFTA, an anti-poor corporatist. Libs and Dems call for job creation as the sole response to American poverty, as we've been doing for over 30 years. You can't buy a loaf of bread with promises of eventual jobs.  You can't get a job once you no longer have a home address, phone, bus fare.  Democrats and liberals have spent years alienating the poor, apparently unaware of how this impacts (among so many other things) elections.

  •   Because "They" know that "We" -- (0+ / 0-)

    Do NOT turn out the vote in Midterm Elections. We leave it to America's Greatest Generation to run the country.  After all, "They" are on Medicare, why should they care if the ACA is repealed or not?

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