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Recently I was surprised to learn that six species of trout and salmon used up 40% of the endangered species budget over the past two decades and that one species of fish, the Chinook Salmon received more funding in 2011 from various government agencies than all 1400 endangered species combined.

I know what you are thinking. Where is this ban nock fella getting this tripe? From some libertarian, budget cutting, anti wildlife think tank? Actually it's from an op ed by Timothy Male, former vice president of policy at Defenders of Wildlife and employee of The Environmental Defense Fund.

Writing in the Seattle Times Mr. Male commits the further blaspheme of linking to a report by the Congressional Republican group working to rewrite the endangered species act. Which might be worth a read because if Republicans win the senate in the upcoming elections that report might well be the blueprint for the reforms President Obama signs into law.

What??? What do you mean "President Obama signs into law"? Just what I said, and such a law would pass by wide margins. Reform is coming, it's just a question of how much truly bad stuff gets inserted into such a law at the same time as needed changes.

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  •  Tip Jar (7+ / 0-)

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 06:07:49 AM PDT

  •  ladders for salmon: what next bicycles for fish /n (1+ / 0-)
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    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 06:33:05 AM PDT

  •  Get rid of some useless dams and water waste, (7+ / 0-)

    give salmon an open run in the rivers, and we won't need to spend money to rescue the salmon.  They'll rescue themselves.

    “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

    by 6412093 on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 07:20:00 AM PDT

    •  They already are (1+ / 0-)
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      Culverts have been the main obstacle when they are removed it opens up spawning grounds that the fish were unable to reach. The run in my mothers cove, a very small one went from just a few fish to several hundred in less than 10 years.

      It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

      by PSWaterspirit on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 10:52:35 AM PDT

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    •  I'm for funding and protecting them all (7+ / 0-)

      but it's a lot easier to protect a consumer friendly fish like salmon than a to get funding for a rarer and not so delishious fish like the June sucker. I grabbed that one because I'm most familiar with it, but all over the country their are native fish that are disappearing because their isn't the funding to save them, not to mention other species like rodents and bugs and plants especially.

      And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

      by high uintas on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 08:04:24 AM PDT

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  •  Blasphemy (noun) (3+ / 0-)
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    If I can blaspheme (verb) some more, perhaps as this is a commercial fish, maybe the industry should pay for the continuation of its trade rather than the federal government. Or, as an alternative, the power and water companies that install dams so the fish cannot pass should be forced to pay to reinstate the passage to the breeding grounds - which is the purpose of the "fish ladders".

    It seems the difference between the USA and other developed countries is that the principle of "the polluter pays" is an alien concept.  Rather less known than the "free trade" provisions in the EU's Association and pre-Accession treaties is that they promote the adoption of the whole acquis or EU body of law, including those relating to pollution and environmental protection.

    As an example, Serbia is working its way through a series of (parallel) "chapters" to bring different aspects of its national laws and procedures into alignment with the acquis, as part of its obligations as a Candidate Country. The mid-term report (.pdf)  on one particular project costing 3million Euro and paid for by the EU is interesting reading in the context of industrial pollution control.
    http://ec.europa.eu/...

    "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

    by Lib Dem FoP on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 07:44:50 AM PDT

    •  I am concerned with pollution but in this case (0+ / 0-)

      more so with species, a noun.

      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:09:52 AM PDT

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  •  Every bottle of Pom Fresh pomogranate juice and (4+ / 0-)
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    bag of Wonderful Pistachios that gets sold contributes to the salmons extinction and billionaire Stewart Resnicks wallet. He is behind the draining of the CA Delta.

    if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

    by mrsgoo on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 07:45:47 AM PDT

  •  Saving the salmon is just the tip of the iceberg. (5+ / 0-)

    Saving salmon means saving our water ways and all the natural flora and fauna that goes with it. That includes us. Saving salmon means clean and drinkable water. It means healthy forests, streams, bays, and oceans. It also means honoring our treaties with the Native American tribes.

    It means much more than saving a tasty fish.

    "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats ..." - Kenneth Grahame -

    by RonK on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:14:19 AM PDT

    •  OK, which species do we let die? (2+ / 0-)
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      Saving species is fine, but we are forced to make choices.

      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 10:08:47 AM PDT

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      •  Let the 1% fend for themselves. (1+ / 0-)
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        Stop spending tax dollars to improve their habitat.

        “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

        by 6412093 on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 05:32:32 PM PDT

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        •  I wish no harm on them except a more (0+ / 0-)

          equitable society and for them to stop burning so much carbon, but I do also think it's time to make good choices on saving species with what funds we have.

          “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

          by ban nock on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:45:59 AM PDT

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  •  It's the dam owners and water hogs (1+ / 0-)
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    that drive up the costs of preserving salmon.

     Money spent to help salmon also helps many other critters by preserving free-flowing rivers, improving stream side habitat, and reducing water pollution.

    “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

    by 6412093 on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 09:33:03 AM PDT

    •  so we should forget about grizzlies? (1+ / 0-)
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      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 10:06:16 AM PDT

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      •  Helping salmon should help (1+ / 0-)
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        grizzlies. They eat salmon, last I heard. If they kill the Pebble Mine in Alaska to help the salmon, grizzlies benefit too.

        “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

        by 6412093 on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 05:30:08 PM PDT

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        •  Ok, grizz are good anyway, tons of them (0+ / 0-)

          and a fishing spot for the wealthy to fly to is important. What about the other 1399 species though?

          How do we choose which ones to spend the money on?

          “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

          by ban nock on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:48:11 AM PDT

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  •  Alas, my friend Ban (1+ / 0-)
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    gets it wrong again. We are far, far away from spending too much on one species which sum is about right. How about we invest in one species pentagon for many species including our own?

    •  I didn't suggest we spend too much or too little (0+ / 0-)

      only that we spend far more on a few than all the rest, and that  by doing so we are making choices.

      I also say that many are looking to make changes to our ESA and give links (which might make for interesting reading) to those looking to change things.

      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Sat Mar 22, 2014 at 01:48:16 PM PDT

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