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Last night, Jon Stewart examined the Hobby Lobby case before the Supreme Court on the birth control mandate in Obamacare with Jordan Klepper.

PETE WILLIAMS (3/25/2014): The government has to take Hobby Lobby's religious views as they come.  So off the table is any question about the accuracy of how Hobby Lobby and another company, Conestoga, would view these contraceptives as agents of causing abortion.
(shocked audience silence)

So let me get this straight.  Corporations aren't just people, they're ill-informed people.  Whose factually incorrect beliefs must be upheld because they sincerely believe them anyway.  I guess it's why at Hobby Lobby, they feed their 16,000 employees with but five loaves and two fish.  What?  The employees are still hungry?  They believe you aren't.

Video and transcript below the fold.



As you know, America's recently implemented a brand new health care law designed by our President to kill old people and allow Russia to invade Crimea.  But some Americans are willing to fight this law all the way to the Supreme Court.  And while they don't cite communism and elder-cide as the reason for their objection, I think we can read between the lines.
JAN CRAWFORD, CBS (3/25/2014): The new health care law requires companies to offer insurance that includes free birth control.  Religious employers across the country started filing lawsuits, they said that violates our religious beliefs.  The Court agreed to decide that issue in a case involving Hobby Lobby — it's a nation-wide chain of craft supply stores.
This is a Supreme Court case!  It is Hobby Lobby v. Sebelius, the silliest sounding Supreme Court plantiff since 1950's Brown v. Board of Titty Farts.

(audience laughter)

It's a real case.  Tell me more about this lobby of hobbies.

AL-JAZEERA (3/25/2014): Hobby Lobby is a family-run business, its owners say is based on Biblical principles founded 38 years ago by David and Barbara Green.
That's ah, based on Biblical principles.  I'm a little rusty on the New Testament, but where in the Bible does it mention craft stores?  I'm familiar with Jesus, this Jesus.

Not so much with this Jesus.

What is the larger principle at play here?

AL-JAZEERA (3/25/2014): They're asking the Court to find that their for-profit company has the same religious freedom as a church or individual.
Sure!  Why wouldn't they?  Of course Hobby Lobby wants that!  They are a pious corporation.  It would never be a case emanating from that other craft store, Michaels.  I mean, for God's sake, that place is a godless fuck palace with yarn!  (audience laughter)

(turns to different camera)

That joke brought to you by Michaels.  Michaels, "it's a godless fuck palace with yarn."

(audience laughter)

I see some of the audience has obviously been there.

So what sayeth the liberal justice to this argument?

MARCIA COYLE (3/25/2014): Justice Sotomayor said, what about religious adherents who don't believe in transfusions, blood transfusions, vaccinations?  And Mr. Clement responded, well, it does depend on the burden that's being placed. ... It's possible the government would have a compelling interest in imposing that burden.  But there's no compelling interest here in this particular case.
Well sure, there's no compelling interest to Hobby Lobby's lawyer Paul Clement, he's got a penis!  Babies rarely grow inside of those.  Except for that one terrible Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.

Look Who's in My Penis.  I remember that.  "It's not a tumor!  Get into my penis if you want to live!"

All right, what sayeth the man who will actually decide this case, swing justice Kennedy?

ABC NEWS (3/25/2014): Justice Kennedy focused on employers' rights, saying if a business can be forced to pay for all types of contraception, they can "be forced in principle to pay for abortions".
Well, right, in principle.  In fact, it would be the opposite of yes for that, which I believe is no, because contraception is not the same thing as abortion.  That's a scientific fact.
PETE WILLIAMS (3/25/2014): The government has to take Hobby Lobby's religious views as they come.  So off the table is any question about the accuracy of how Hobby Lobby and another company, Conestoga, would view these contraceptives as agents of causing abortion.
(shocked audience silence)

So let me get this straight.  Corporations aren't just people, they're ill-informed people.  Whose factually incorrect beliefs must be upheld because they sincerely believe them anyway.  I guess it's why at Hobby Lobby, they feed their 16,000 employees with but five loaves and two fish.  What?  The employees are still hungry?  They believe you aren't.

Sam Bee then did a performance art piece about the Morning Joe family.

On Tuesday night, Jon explained the situation with Russia with Jessica Williams.

Jon then had an update on his successful #mcconnelling hashtag, and added some more ideas.

Meanwhile, on Tuesday night, Stephen had on Jimmy Carter, so after profiling him, Carter got two segments on the show.

Last night, after briefly mentioning the story about the drunk Secret Service agents in Amsterdam, Stephen had another Sport Report segment.

He then looked at one of the new crop of GOP candidates running for Senate, Iowa's Jodi Ernst.

Sadly, Colbert's people seem to take ganja breaks after work instead of uploading their videos properly, so, yeah, no links yet, because they don't exist.  :-(  OK, the videos are finally up now.  However, it appears there's a bug on Colbert's website that doesn't allow embedding their videos anywhere else.  I've left the embeds up so that hopefully once someone at Comedy Central fixes them, these will then load fine in the future.

Jon talked with actor Jude Law last night, and talked with Amy Yates Wuelfing and Gibby Haynes on Tuesday.  Stephen had on director Errol Morris.

Originally posted to Electronic America: Progressives Film, music & Arts Group on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 05:30 AM PDT.

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  •  glad to see you on the front page where you belong (7+ / 0-)

    is this a new group or have I just not been paying attention?

    Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
    DEMAND CREATES JOBS!!!
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    by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 05:34:30 AM PDT

  •  I never patronized Hobby Lobby. (19+ / 0-)

    Now, having learned its political and social views, I never shall.

  •  This Hobby business is a farce.... (19+ / 0-)

    and, unrealized by the average low-info Joe, opens the door for Muslim company owners to impose THEIR beliefs on their employees.   If Americas were intelligent enough to understand the implications of this fiasco, they would run away in horror.  

    The true horror is the lack of intelligence of some Supreme Court judges, who are so ideologically motivated they ignore the facts before them.

    It is not just freedom of religion for individuals, but freedom FROM religion.

    •  Thats always the thing (10+ / 0-)

      Imagine if some group of Muslims formed a corporation and forced Sharia law on the employees even when it broke with US Law. Surely THAT wouldn't fly.

    •  Tried this 'logic' on my family (20+ / 0-)

      Or as they put it 'they're paying you. You don't like it, work somewhere else.' Also they went with no healthcare unless you pay for it yourself, no employer should be forced to pay for your unhealthy life choices. Like cancer or aids, one is because you smoke the other is because you're a pervert (their opinion, NOT mine). They also figure any STD is your fault for being easy, you pay 100%, same with pregnancy (no one told you to get yourself knocked up). We are talking about one unwed, divorced 30 year old woman who is pregnant and unemployed, one army major, one army master Sargent and a 23 year old with a 6 year old on her second husband. Add in two over 55 Catholics who have been married (between them) to 8 other people, none of whom are dead. Don't even get me started on my mother (there is a white people god and a black people god, the white people god is the real one). I tell people I was born to gypsies but was stolen as a baby by an insane redneck couple....

      Only in our dreams are we free. The rest of the time we need wages.-Terry Pratchett

      by Shippo1776 on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 06:41:16 AM PDT

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    •  you don't see the bigger picture (7+ / 0-)

      In TN, having lost their battle to block a mosque, Christian opponents are now opposing a Muslim cemetery to be located on the same property.  The deal is to make sure that there are no Muslims or Buddhists or any other icky religions in the US so we don't have to worry about furrin heathens trying to impose their pagan heresies on good Christian folk

      •  Christians want a theocracy..... (6+ / 0-)

        though if you ask them, they deny it.  But their actions speak loudly.  And I don't want to hear from "liberal Christians" who distance themselves from these aberrant acts.  You are enabling your more conservative brethren by not acting against their Right Wing interests.

        And where is your magical all--powerful sky daddy?  If he really existed, why don't you liberal Christians pray for him to eliminate the Christian Right.  According to the bible, he is good at eliminating people.

        •  I'm an agnostic Buddhist.... (3+ / 0-)
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          who thinks that conventional Christian dogma is a childish fairy tale.

          But your comment seems pretty bigoted to me, in the way you generalize and speak for a population that you obviously hold in contempt. I know many "liberal Christians", some of whom are much nicer and more understanding people than what you present of yourself here.

          The juxtaposition with your personal ID seems particularly ironic.

          Battling psychiatric myths with sensible skepticism at www.makingsenseofpsychiatry.com

          by candid psychiatrist on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 07:25:37 AM PDT

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          •  You are your brother's keeper (2+ / 0-)
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            This is a major tenet of Christian doctrine. In this case, the Christians themselves are supposed to believe they are responsible for one another. The liberal Christians have a clear duty to actively oppose the dominionists. Some of them do. But many prefer to ignore what is happening. Because this is truly a belief originating in Christianity, I don't think it's bigoted to hold them responsible for their crazy far-right brethren.

            Is fheàrr fheuchainn na bhith san dùil

            by bull8807 on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 07:37:51 AM PDT

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            •  Easier said than done. (2+ / 0-)
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              Visible opposition will be ignored or overlooked by the MSM.

              There may be more opposition than you think, given how much membership is declining in Christian churches and the younger demographic is dialing themselves out altogether.

              The most violent element in society is ignorance.

              by Mr MadAsHell on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 09:09:06 AM PDT

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          •  I'm atheist, not convinced of any kind of magic (2+ / 0-)
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            I have a sister who was Christian until a few years ago, she broke with what the fan club turned into and now identifies as a follower of Jesus. She counter protests The Westboro bunch, does actual charitable work and loves her sisters and brothers, there are somewhat over seven billion of those. We get along.

            Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. Sam Clemens

            by Wood Gas on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 02:48:35 PM PDT

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        •  but it is not even a "Christian" theocracy (6+ / 0-)

          It is a very narrow, modernistic view of the Bible and its relationship to the modern world.  For example, in the centuries prior to the 18th Century, the Bible was seen as infallible; in today's religion (Which was a reaction to the Enlightenment) the Bible is now seen as in inerrant.  Even more pronounced is the movement of faith in some circles towards externalization, where you monitor your neighbor's behavior and not your own whereby previously, introspection and getting one's spiritual house in order was considered paramount.

          Dating back to the Schofield Bible, we can see the genesis of the notion of "Once Saved, Always Saved" where a congregant, once he makes a public profession of faith, is considered saved for all eternity, no matter whatever he does in the future.
          The corollary to this is "Faith and not works".  Biblically, works are the manifestation of  faith but in the real world can be inconvenient.  Therefore everyone flocks to the faith alone banner because it requires no certain behavior by the congregant but only an open profession of faith.
          I would note that the natural conclusion to this is the very strange permutations of Scripture into what is termed Prosperity Gospel which states the faithful do not have to perform any tasks (other than tithing) and only have to profess faith and to display faith by trying to impose your beliefs upon others.  In exchange for this political activism and tithing, God will directly reward you with wealth and riches on earth.    

        •  Praying to get right of the Christian right. (0+ / 0-)

          I've been praying for a conservative mind-set virus that wipes them all out for a long time now, and it doesn't seem to be working.  :-)

    •  It's not intelligence they lack, it's ethics. (0+ / 0-)

      48forEastAfrica - Donate to Oxfam> "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." Edna St.V. Millay

      by slouching on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 09:04:39 AM PDT

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      •  I've worn a good many hats during the time it took (0+ / 0-)

        to arrive at an age I never expected to attain. I have yet to participate in a group that had a surfeity of either ethics or intelligence.

        Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. Sam Clemens

        by Wood Gas on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 03:01:16 PM PDT

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      •  My guess is that part of what they lack... (0+ / 0-)

        is intelligence, and that whatever intelligence is present, is outweighed by fear.  I believe it is a person's fear that keeps them from being ethical.  

        The two elements that create the most violence in society are ignorance and fear, and most of the time, the irony is that it is fear that most often keeps people ignorant.  People who are both ignorant and afraid can easily become zealots who would rather die than change their minds.  

        Because they are afraid on the inside, because their fear is internalized, and not recognized, what they are trying to do is be aligned with those people around them who "appear" to be strong.

        The problem is that the strength of these people is nothing but a facade that is erected to cover their insecurity.  There is no flexibility in how they respond to life.  The walls rarely come down, if ever.  We think it's strength when we beat our heads and hearts against the walls, but it is not strength.

        Real strength is shown when a person has learned to deal with their vulnerability, and can allow the walls to come down.  

        A good example would be a bully.  They appear to be strong.  But if you scratch the surface of a bully, you will find a coward.  He puts on the facade of being powerful so no one will get close enough to find out how scared he (or she) is on the inside.

  •  Gotta wonder how much (8+ / 0-)

    excessive earnestness, sanctimoniousness and a lack of a sense of humor track with political orientation. Gotta believe that it's mostly a RW thing (with certain LW exceptions that most of us are familiar with). I bet that Stewart and Colbert's humor is completely lost on most right wingers, who either don't get it, don't think it's funny, or find it offensive and disrespectful (which of course it is, by design). I bet that the more a person doesn't get or appreciate irony, the more likely they are to be a winger. Irony implies an ability to see the world as the complex and often paradoxical (yet still functioning) thing that it actually is, and not as the fairy tale fantasy that wingers believe it's like. You can't appreciate irony and not see the idiocy of, say, trickle down economics or religious "freedom" expressed through the suppression of others' freedom.

    But that's just my opinion, all youse jerks.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 05:46:44 AM PDT

    •  I agree with the Onion on this (6+ / 0-)

      How do you do effective satire when reality keeps on outstripping whatever you produce.  State level GOP attempts to legislate the lives of poor children more or less outstrip anything Swift produced

      •  I suggest that irony tracks with morality (3+ / 0-)
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        and decency. I think that these people are literally wired differently, in the sense of missing key brain functioning that allows one to be a complete human being in every sense, including the moral and ethical one. Both the political and economic predators at the top of their food chain, and their idiot voting against their own interests because of teh white man's Freedumb! followers.

        They do wrong because they don't get that they do wrong--or care. And their inability to comprehend the irony of what they're doing--or care--is indicative and symptomatic of that. One could argue that the framers didn't take into account such human failings, but then half of them owned slaves in an era when slavery was considered to be immoral by most people, so there.

        The US has always been based on injustice and propped up by the inability and/or unwillingness to own up to and do something about it. We are morally flawed to the core, in ways that go beyond mere "original sin".

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 08:26:37 AM PDT

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        •  It may not be that they are wired differently... (0+ / 0-)

          as much as it is socialized differently.

          My guess is that these people are socialized to be co-dependent.  

          They are socialized to be dependent on how other people respond to them.  It's like they try to use other people like one would use a mirror.  They need to see a good reflection in order to get an image they can like or live with.

          Depending on how dependent these people are on the reflections and reactions of others, they will try to control how other people respond to them.  Or, if they don't like the image they get back, they will either try to change the mirror, or get rid of it.

          I would guess this is why "true believers" are so easily conned.  The "con man or con person" is always stroking their egos by telling them what they want to hear and want to believe.  People who are socialized in this manner are dependent on the approval of others, and can get very depressed or angry if it is not available.

          If you reflect a bad impression, they have learned to take it personally BECAUSE they are so dependent on the reflections they receive.

           

  •  There's a sorta John Cage element... (7+ / 0-)

    ...to having all these clips autoplay simultaneously.

  •  Ignorance is Bliss (6+ / 0-)

    The USA simply worships its ignorance. Our right wingnuts are proud that they can be more ignorant than any other people on the planet.  Yep.  The world is 6,000 years old. Noah built an ark when he was 500 years old.  And, he put two animals of every species on the earth on one boat that he and two 100 year old sons built.

    We're #1- in ignorance!

    Voters should select people to represent them in their government. People in government should not select people who may vote!

    by NM Ray on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 05:52:29 AM PDT

  •  Not idiotic; a calculated plan likely to succeed, (1+ / 0-)
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    due to the makeup of SCOTUS.

    This. Is. War.

    It's time to start letting sleeping dinosaurs lie, lest we join them in extinction by our consumption of them.

    by Leftcandid on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 05:59:54 AM PDT

  •  If I was a rich Muslim, I would be chomping (2+ / 0-)
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    at the bit to dive in with an innocuous, very American retail store.....and impose Muslim religious restrictions, just as HL is doing with Christian religious tenets.  Make 'em suck it up and deal with it!

    Meanwhile, I might be going home and eating bacon, but my forefathers' religious beliefs will be imposed just because it would be fun to watch the fallout.

    Please know I am not rude. I cannot rec anything from this browser. When I rec or post diaries I am a guest at some exotic locale's computer. Ayn is the bane!

    by Floyd Blue on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 06:12:33 AM PDT

  •  Why is it that the people pushing for religious (8+ / 0-)

    beliefs being forced into secular law always think it's only their religion that will be allowed?

    When others (Jehovah Witness, Scientology, Flying Spaghetti Monster, etc.) start pushing their own beliefs, these same people will be first in line screaming "__ LAW"!!!

    “To the world you may be just one person, but to one person you may be the world.”-Brandi Snyder (in memory of my Nick)

    by YellowDogInGA on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 06:21:36 AM PDT

    •  You forgot the Church of the Creator nt (1+ / 0-)
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    •  I'm expecting that if the SC allows this (2+ / 0-)
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      there will suddenly be a flood of converts to Christian Science.

      And they'll all be owners of closely held companies.

      Who will suddenly decide that offering health insurance at all is an anathema to their religious beliefs. So they don't have to be forced to pay for it. Nor do they have to pay a fine, or increase their employees pay.

      Guaranteed.

      This has NOTHING to do with religion, and EVERYTHING to do with money. I'm betting that HL will expect to see a discount in their health plans because they're not including what they don't like.

      But I suspect it might be just the opposite, because of the greater likelihood of pregnancy and the large number of female employees.

      And wouldn't THAT just be peachy?

  •  that jew joke (0+ / 0-)

    went over like a soaring bald eagle of lead. . .

  •  Time to start a few new religions. (2+ / 0-)
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    And these Will Be sincerely held beliefs, amrite?

  •  Possible Supreme Court Hypocrisy Alert (7+ / 0-)

    Note that this is the same Supreme Court that said that ceremonial use of peyote, a religious sacrament for certain believers, conflicted with drug laws, and given a conflict between federal drug regulation (not even police powers, which are reserevd to the state) and the first amendment, federal law trumped.

    It will be curious to see how the Supreme Court treats and/or distinguishes that precedent, which pretty clearly stands for the principle that religious beliefs, EVEN OF INDIVIDUALS, do not automatically trump federal regulations designed to protect the safety of Americans.  Kind of like, you know, the ACA.

  •  I believe drouths are caused by witches (0+ / 0-)

    I have all sorts of proof from the Bible and also from commentaries such as the Malleus Maleficarum.  I am currently stockpiling firewood for an auto de fe because I sincerely believe the changes in weather is due to the interference of the Devil's brood.  I will start burning in a few weeks because the government surely has no more interest in protecting its citizens from people like myself than it does in forcing corporations to provide healthcare which includes doctor prescribed medications for existing health problems.
    (BTW many people consider D&Cs to be a form of abortion so does this mean Hobby Lobby can refuse to cover D&Cs, even when medically necessary for a multitude of reasons?)

  •  That's the core problem, isn't it? (5+ / 0-)

    Their beliefs are factually wrong, but we have to accommodate them, be deferential to them, anyway. If we could ever get a definitive ruling on ANYTHING in the Bible, it would all be over.

    "You can't run a country by a book of religion. Dumb all over, a little ugly on the side." Frank Zappa

    by Uosdwis on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 06:49:57 AM PDT

  •  Probably easier (0+ / 0-)

    And cheaper for HL to simply drop insurance all together and pay the fine. Why bother with the hassle?  

    Then again, it is too much of a burden for people to buy their own condoms so we gotta get these plans fixed.

    You best believe it does

    by HangsLeft on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 07:59:01 AM PDT

  •  There are a lot of things businesses can't do (2+ / 0-)
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    Discriminate by age or gender, for example. Have dangerous or unsafe working conditions (OSHA). And there are things they are required to do: pay minimum wage, for example.

    So .. how is it different requiring them to offer healthcare and having that healthcare include contraceptives?

    If they can object to that, and get out of the requirement, couldn't a business object to any other kind of legal requirement on religious grounds, equally as well?

  •  buying from hobby lobby (6+ / 0-)

    supports their efforts to make women below second class citizens.  the fact that most of their customers are women just makes my eyes cross.  wtf is the matter with these women?  every dime they spend there is used to devalue them in the public square.  as an artist, i would not spend any time or money in their businesses, and don't give me that "they are the only craft market in town" crap.  if the only grocery store in town sold poisoned meat and rotted veggies and used the money to pass laws saying every store will sell rotted food, would you shop there or find an alternative that didn't risk your health daily?  craft supplies are not essential to life, they are available online from better sources, and the people who run hobby lobby are not worthy of any woman's time or money.

    fat bottom girls, we make the rocking world go round.

    by art ah zen on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 08:10:00 AM PDT

  •  Poor Jon Stewart. (1+ / 0-)
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    He and his writers have to sift through this crap every day. What a sucky job.

    Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

    by Matt Z on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 08:38:42 AM PDT

  •  tbogg: hobby lobby joke--very funny! (1+ / 0-)
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    irony of two names--conestoga wood and hobby lobby.

    http://www.rawstory.com/...

    ‘Hobby Lobby’ Is Not Slang For ‘Vagina’--very funny!

    I am tired of laughing at the irony of their stupidity.

    by stagemom on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 09:15:54 AM PDT

    •  Thanks for the link, funny article! (1+ / 0-)
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      A couple of choice quotes for the curious...

      Do any other companies feel this way?

      Conestoga Wood Specialties is in court too, but nobody pays attention to them because their name doesn’t rhyme.

      Are there any other reasons people don’t like the contraceptive mandate?

      Yeah. The president is a black guy.

  •  How can you be called "Hobby Lobby" if (3+ / 0-)
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    you lobby against the best, most popular hobby?

    "We need institutions and cultural norms that make us better than we tend to be. It seems to me that the greatest challenge we now face is to build them." -Sam Harris, neuroscientist

    by MarthaPeregrine on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 09:54:19 AM PDT

  •  Dear God in Heaven (7+ / 0-)

    It's NOT the Employer's Money.  Hobby Lobby is not using their own money to gratuitously provide health insurance coverage for their employees.  The employees are the ones paying for this health insurance with their LABOR.

    Hobby Lobby isn't buying anything or paying for anything but LABOR.

    Geez.

    If you want something other than the obvious to happen; you've got to do something other than the obvious. Douglas Adams

    by trillian on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 10:06:17 AM PDT

  •  In the end, it boils down to one of the most (3+ / 0-)
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    ridiculous asininities ever propounded by dim-witted fools.  Namely and to wit:  A piece of paper, called "The Articles of Incorporation" - that creates the legal fiction of a "person", for purposes of avoiding having the investors/share-holders pay "severally and individually" for liabilities potentially incurred in ACTIONS permitted to for profit businesses, has the ability to hold, "religious convictions".

    Does anyone have a word better than "stupid" for that?

  •  So What? (0+ / 0-)

    "Corporations aren't just people, they're ill-informed people.  Whose factually incorrect beliefs must be upheld because they sincerely believe them anyway. "

    My question is why are we letting the government tell us what insurance policy needs to be?????.....are the people in govenrment any smarter than those in the corporations?????.....I say not just NO....but hell NO!

  •  Fundie Business Not Gov To Police Your Sex Lives (1+ / 0-)
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    gffish

    You now how fundies like using the back door

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 12:41:58 PM PDT

  •  HL says its position is based on "religious (0+ / 0-)

    freedom" to force its employees to live by their beliefs. This is not religious freedom, but the religious enslavement of employees. We need to start calling it what it is, so that these idolators can't continue to debase the religious freedom that our founders intended.

    We build on foundations we did not lay. We warm ourselves by fires we did not light. We sit in the shade of trees we did not plant... We are ever bound in community.-Peter Raible

    by SilentBrook on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 12:46:00 PM PDT

  •  Don't be fooled (1+ / 0-)
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    drmah

    Hobby Lobby wants to be able to stone employees to death for being late for work..

  •  One way around this (0+ / 0-)

    would be a single payer system. Get religious-people-corps out of the healthcare providing business.

    As positively distasteful as a SCOTUS ruling in favor of the Hobby Lobby would be, maybe it would create the tension needed to move us closer to expanded medicare or some equivalency.

    I know, pollyanna me.

    Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time. John Robinette: hole-in-the-sun.com : twitter @hole_in_the_sun

    by JayRo on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 03:45:20 PM PDT

  •  Knobbie Hobbie (0+ / 0-)

    Knobbie Hobbie

  •  Hobby Lobby falls short... (0+ / 0-)

    ...of their own pretense every day. They DO NOT operate on "Biblical principles."

    They sell cheesy home decorating tchotchkes, not communion sets. They don't sell sacrifices for the temple; they sell plastic wedding cake pillars. They sell scrapbooking papers, not holy writs.

    They ignore the Bible and sell garments of diverse fabrics. They also sell the fabrics for garments to be made from. And TRY to find 100% wool yarn in the place. Go ahead; try!

    Thev sell Christmas redneck-themed Christmas tree ornaments that feature tiny little guns, fake resin barn wood, and itty bitty fake fishing rods.

    The sell fake birdhouses and benches that fake the look of wagon seats. They sell wooden crafts and clock kits and craft paints and the stuff you use to scent candles. NONE of this is sacred.

    They sell dollhouse kits and tiny furnishings, they sell glue and glitter and T-hsirts. They sell parasols and balloons and paper plates. None of this is holy.

    The sell Mardi Gras beads and masks, feather boas, and jewelry. They sell shoes and purses and picture frames. None of this is Biblical.

    Why do their "deeply held" pseudo-religious beliefs only come into play when they are taking about shafting their employees, and not when they are stocking their stores?

    Religious freedom, my fat Aunt Fanny. What they're demanding isn't freedom, it's tyranny. They want the right to tyrannize their female employees, to tell them what they may and may not do with their own bodies, to commandeer their privacy and their personal choices. And their "deeply held" beliefs don't even have a Biblical nod of recognition, much less overt Biblical support.

    The Daily Show is brilliant parody -- but it didn't have to be to nail them. Stewart is a sardonic genius, but he didn't need to be in this case. He only had to be accurate, and that basic reality hands Hobby Lobby's balls back on a platter.  

    •  Great comment... (0+ / 0-)

      The prevailing attitude for HL is that you have the right to your opinion - as long as it is the same as mine.  Which is basically the mantra of the Tea Party and most Republicans.

      The hypocrisy of their position was really well explainedl by you.  As others have noted, it's not about their religious beliefs, as much as it is about the money involved.  The religious beliefs they profess to, are  just a facade surrounding what they really believe.

      Which leads one to believe that what they actually value is not other people, but money and power, and all of the social status that comes from the results of their greed.

      In too many cases, that is, or has become, the "American Way."  I keep wondering what will happen when the public stops being taken in by these con artists.

  •  Jon Stewart (0+ / 0-)

    You forgot to add that the Green family is only anti abortion when it comes to US women. All their products come from China where there is a national law that says a woman will have an abortion and be sterilized if there already one living child born to her. The Chinese government will force an abortion no matter how far along the pregnancy and force  sterilization at the same. The Greens call abortions the killing of children yet does business with a country that does millions of abortions every year, Chinese parents abandon or kill millions of new born baby girls yearly, they just want baby boys no girls allowed and Greens don't condone that practice either,, all that matters is the merchandise is cheap to buy and then they can sell at a high price in the US where they are against abortion. They are not Christians they are fake christian hypercritics.

  •  A sad state of affairs (0+ / 0-)

    When a late-night comedian and fake news anchor makes more sense and displays a better command of simple logic than the five robed judicial activists who rule our country according to their whims...

  •  They can be hypocritical, too. (0+ / 0-)
    Corporations aren't just people, they're ill-informed people.  Whose factually incorrect beliefs must be upheld because they sincerely believe them anyway.
    I guess they can be hypocritical, too, since Hobby Lobby's retirement plan invests in contraceptives.

    Who knows? Maybe corporoations ARE people ... Now, if we can only force one of them in for jury duty for a couple of weeks ...

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