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"I don't know if we'll ever know what the motive is," New Jersey Governor Chris Christie declared Friday of the George Washington Bridge scandal that hangs over his political future. "It mystifies me on every level why this was done."

It shouldn't. After all, at any time Gov. Christie could have asked his top aides why the busiest bridge in the world—and a longtime target of terrorists—was at a standstill during the entire week of the 12th anniversary of the September 11 attacks. Instead, the 2016 White House hopeful has alternately claimed, he either had no reason to doubt his staff's veracity or no reason to believe them. Regardless, Christie insists, the would-be Leader of the Free World preferred to remain in the dark rather than be accused of witnessing tampering.

That last explanation is one of two Gov. Christie gave during his marathon two-hour press conference on January 9, 2014. When one reporter asked why Christie didn't "get some information" from Bridget Kelly, or simply ask the deputy chief of staff "why did you do this?" the governor recalled a defense from his days as a federal prosecutor:

"Listen, Bob, and then if I did that, then you'd have the legislature complaining that I'm talking to someone who the chairman has said yesterday publicly he intends to call as a witness.

And I think the higher priority is for me not to interfere with what the legislature is in the process of doing. And so no, I'm not going to do that because then -- listen, the political nature of this would lead charge -- to charges of interference. I'm not going to do that. If after -- if she's brought to testify there, which the chairman says he intends to do, and she testifies, if after that time I have -- we have other questions, then we can make the decision at that time whether to pursue that information. But it is my judgment -- you can disagree with it, but it's my judgment that for me to get involved with someone who the chairman has said he's going to call as a witness between the time I discovered this and the time that she may testify would be not the right thing for me to do."

Please read more about this story below the fold.

But moments before offering fear of witness tampering as the basis for his Sgt. Schultz defense, Christie said instead he didn't ask Kelly why she wrote it was "time for traffic problems in Fort Lee" because he wouldn't have believed anything she said:

"I have not had any conversation with Bridget Kelly since the email came out. And so she was not given the opportunity to explain to me why she lied because it was so obvious that she had. And I'm, quite frankly, not interested in the explanation at the moment."
Not at that moment or, it turns out, any other moment. Even as the GWB imbroglio was growing late last year, Governor Christie told a New Jersey radio station on February 26, he had no reason to doubt his closest aides and best friends. As the Wall Street Journal summed it up:
Appearing on a radio show aired by New Jersey 101.5, Mr. Christie grew frustrated with some of the bridge questions, saying he had "no idea" if Bridget Anne Kelly personally ordered the lane closures in early September and refused to speculate. After the disclosures, Mr. Christie said he ordered her fired--and didn't do it himself--because of possible legal consequences for "her and others."

He was asked by radio host Eric Scott why he didn't question ally Bill Baroni when he resigned from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey in December, after damaging articles appeared in the press and legislative hearings were called into the closures. Mr. Christie said he had no reason to ask questions and believed Mr. Baroni's testimony that a traffic study closed the traffic lanes. "I didn't ask the questions because I didn't think they needed to be asked," he said.

If that "we'll never know the answer because I didn't ask the question" formula sounds familiar, it should.

As you may recall, President Bush promised to "fire anyone found" to have revealed the identity of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame. Despite the fact that not one but three administration officials (Scooter Libby, Karl Rove and Richard Armitage) had spoken to the press about Plame, her husband Joe Wilson and what Wilson didn't find in Africa, Bush similarly played dumb. As he put it on October 7, 2003:

"I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration official. Now, this is a large administration, and there's a lot of senior officials. I don't have any idea. I'd like to. I want to know the truth. That's why I've instructed this staff of mine to cooperate fully with the investigators -- full disclosure, everything we know the investigators will find out. I have no idea whether we'll find out who the leaker is -- partially because, in all due respect to your profession, you do a very good job of protecting the leakers."
As his re-election the next year showed, Bush's attempt at plausible deniability worked. Chris Christie, appointed by Bush to U.S. Attorney, is now hoping to follow in his boss's footsteps. In the case of the George Washington Bridge, Governor Christie would have us believe, inquiring minds don't want to know.

Originally posted to Jon Perr on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 11:57 AM PDT.

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  •  He didn't ask because... (28+ / 0-)

    He already knew the reason behind the lane closures. He was the person who either 1)personally ordered that the lanes be messes with; or 2) created the strong impression among his staffers that that is what he wanted to happen.
     That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it.

    Life's a dance you learn as you go; sometimes you lead, sometimes you follow.

    by gloriasb on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 12:03:06 PM PDT

    •  While you're doing the Schadenfreude Polka (5+ / 0-)

      here's a different piece of work:

      This is also a memorial for the people who gave their lives for Occupy Kiev. More than a hundred. The site is the Privoz Fish Market.

      This is Europe's national anthem.

      The three principles of Occupy:

      -- We are our own leaders
      -- We oppose corruption
      -- We want jobs

      From Spain and North Africa to New York, to Frankfort, to Kiev.

      Perhaps it is time to organize and bring 1,000,000 people to Trenton and throw out Christie, similar to throwing out Yanukovich. We should take his loot and make a museum of it.

      "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- Rand Ryan-Paul von Koch

      by waterstreet2013 on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 06:47:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Chris Christie's "unknown knowns" (13+ / 0-)
    "I don't know if we'll ever know what the motive is," New Jersey Governor Chris Christie

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 12:03:38 PM PDT

  •  Man he looks sloppy in that picture (3+ / 0-)
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    howabout, ericlewis0, Ditch Mitch KY

    I get that he craves food and so his physique isn't really going to change any time soon, but surely he could at least set his tie properly?

  •  Undeniably implausible denials. (6+ / 0-)

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 12:08:53 PM PDT

  •  Bridge shutdown was terrorism. Terrorism by (10+ / 0-)

    governmental authority.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 12:11:07 PM PDT

    •  Kafka-esque (7+ / 0-)

      is the technical term for that brand of terrorism

    •  Apparently I95 W over the bridge is a designated (3+ / 0-)
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      David54, a2nite, bobatkinson

      escape route post 9/11 which is why the Feds are looking into the traffic stoppage.

      Their plan wasn't run through proper PA channels and they didn't look at the math, which the PA would have, to realize just what a mess they would cause, or consider what things might go wrong if traffic for FL was severely affected.

      Tellingly when their dirty trick worked better than expected they were thrilled.  That there were several people who needed medical help that was greatly delayed seems to have not mattered enough for them to not voluntarily give up on the idea of having the mess last a full month.

      One woman died, maybe she would have anyway, but that is not the point, she was denied care she would have otherwise received but for their s***Y mindedness.

      That is where they should receive damnations from the whole country.

      They didn't care that somebody died who might have been saved.  They didn't care about the pain and fear of people injured in an accident when help didn't come and didn't come and didn't come.

      That's the atmosphere that Christie engenders.

  •  He's a liar & an agent of evil as an elected Rs (7+ / 0-)

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 12:16:24 PM PDT

  •  It'll probably work, because the press still loves (11+ / 0-)

    him. Friday's press conference showed Christie thinks he can bully his way out of this. The press ate it up. Even MSNBC gushed, "the old Christie is back, baby!"

    I don't know why people love being bullied so much.

    •  Winning Formula? (2+ / 0-)
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      I think we might be seeing an "all or nothing" strategy emerging here.  If Christie goes to prison, game over.  If ANYTHING else happens, Christie polishes his resume for the Republican primary hoi polloi.  He gets to be the victim of persecution instead of the moderate candidate from the liberal east.  Now by dumping on his lady lieutenant he's made out as a misogynist, which is just money in the bank for a Republican candidate.  Being an alleged woman-hater/ crypto-gangster is a better primary position than he was in nine months ago.  

    •  Watching that presser reminded me (2+ / 0-)
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      of how much the media liked it when Dubya bullied them.  They enjoy being insulted and denigrated, and if the bully should deign to bestow a demeaning nickname on one, he is pwned for life.

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 02:36:47 PM PDT

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  •  Bugged me from day one why the press isn't (11+ / 0-)

    all over this:

    If that "we'll never know the answer because I didn't ask the question" formula sounds familiar, it should
    If he wanted answers, he could have compelled Kelley and Wildstein to answer under penalty of job loss. He didn't need answers, he needed scapegoats. That's some real GOP style public service there.

    Tar sands, fracking and deep water drilling are expensive. Crude oil price exceeded $100/bbl in 2008 where it still hovers. NH₃ based fertilizer feeds an estimated ⅓ of the world with the Haber-Bosch process using natural gas as a feedstock.

    by FrY10cK on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 01:06:01 PM PDT

  •  He knows. (7+ / 0-)

    He knew how to put the bridge closure in motion without actually giving "the" order.

    I'm going to be sorely disappointed if this creep gets away with it.

    •  Karma catches up with you (1+ / 0-)
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      If this incident doesn't trip him up for good, he'll do something else that does. I suspect the Sandy slush fund investigation will be harder to weasel out of, and that the US Attorney's office will be tougher on him than the NJ media has been. Here's hoping.

      •  Christie has quite a few skeletons in his (0+ / 0-)

        political closet.  For a good description of his vulnerabilities, read "Double Down," the book on the 2012 election by Mark Halperin and John Heilemann.  The book's description of the reasons why Christie was rejected by the Romney campaign as his VP running mate really opens up Christie's can of worms.  A Clinton oppo-research team would give her enough ammunition to kill a Christie campaign in its crib.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:30:51 PM PDT

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  •  I can't believe he held this second (4+ / 0-)

    news conference and assumed that his investigation was the end of the story.  I really didn't think he was that dumb.

    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 01:39:21 PM PDT

    •  No, but some in the media (0+ / 0-)

      are that dumb.

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 02:38:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Not dumb (1+ / 0-)
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        but misguided.  It seems like a smart strategy for him to come out with this pre-emptive "report" because it allows him to control the story -- at least for now.  But the report sucked so bad, it's already been widely panned for being sexist, illogical, incomplete, etc.  That's what was dumb.  

        The civil rights, gay rights and women's movements, designed to allow others to reach for power previously grasped only by white men, have made a real difference, and the outlines of 21st century America have emerged. -- Paul West of LA Times

        by LiberalLady on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 06:47:20 PM PDT

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  •  What a liar. (3+ / 0-)

    Not falling for his BS. Credibility gap wider than Grand Canyon.

    A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

    by onionjim on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 01:44:59 PM PDT

  •  I'm sure Christie and his minions are... (2+ / 0-)
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    working overtime pressuring the DA to let this thing go.  He needs to stand strong, or Christie might skate through this.

    "Really nice, but also very serious about his job." Jackie Evancho on President Obama 6/7/12

    by BarackStarObama on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 02:51:32 PM PDT

  •  This article continues to misstate what happened.. (1+ / 0-)
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    This article continues to misstate what happened that day.

    "... at any time Governor Christie could have asked his top aides why the busiest bridge in the world—and a long-time target of terrorists—was at a standstill during the entire week of the 12th anniversary of the September 11 attacks...."

    That bridge is nearly always at a standstill during rush hour.  But what was going on on the bridge was not the scandal.  Normally the city of Ft Lee had 3 designated entrance lanes onto that bridge.  This is party due to all the Ft Lee people who go to NY but also all the other cities up and down the coast that enter the bridge via those 3 lanes.  

    What happened that day was cutting the 3 entrance lanes to the bridge down to one entrance lane.  If anything this would have LOWERED the burden on the bridge and thus LOWER any standstill.  But what it did do was make FT Lee into a mess since all the people who normally entered that bridge in 3 lanes were forced into one lane.  This caused a massive traffic jam in Ft Lee, but NOT on the bridge.

    Any traffic jam on the bridge itself was simply the usual thing they always had and continue to have.

  •  Law Firm Investigation: no PENALTY for perjury (1+ / 0-)
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    So this report is worth nothing

    80 % of Success is Just Showing Up!

    by Churchill on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 04:30:50 PM PDT

  •  "I don't know if we'll ever know what the ... (1+ / 0-)
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    motive is,"

    Apparently Christie is either not a self reflective man or is not a very deep thinker.

    These were his closest aides, maybe even friends, assuming he has any.

    What they did they did as "Christie's people" whether they were his direct empolyees or not.  All roads lead to Rome and Christie is Caesar.

    Therefore he should know what motivated them.

    He did know, he does know.  By his specific words, or acts or based on the history of how he acted in certain circumstances or interacted with certain types of people and circumstances out side of his closest political circle.

    For Christie, it shouldn't be hard to guess.

    Thyere are dozens of people outside his circle who have made guesses, all based on the facts that surround Christie, his personality, and history, and all plausible

    It shouldn't be that hard for Ckristie to guess.

    It shouldn't be that hard for Christie to have asked at the time he still had power and influence over these folks...

    unless he was afraid that he did know the answer why they did it.   And he was unwilling to legally burden himself with the actual words.

    And terrified of the moral burden of what was done for him, in his image, with the influence of his name.

  •  Ya know.... (6+ / 0-)

    As the sun comes up in the east, and the pope is catholic, and bears poop in the woods, it's a surety that any time Chris Christie opens his mouth, a lie (or two, or three or four - or more) will pop out.  He can pretend not to know about the bridge closure, he can be a sexist prick (shame on him!) and blame a woman, he can get a law firm to conduct a bogus' investigation' which finds him not guilty of pretty much anything (what the hell kind of investigation is conducted without questioning any of the involved EXCEPT the biggest crook of all, ya know, the guy (aka....a big liar) who's being investigated?....yeah right, way to go Mr Slick lawyer of the inimitably esteemed 'Dewey, Cheatham & Howe' investigative team.).
    Newsflash, Pufferfish.  No one believes you or the paid suits you got to fluff up some bogus 'investigation'.
    Who ordered the closures, and why?
    You knew....from the git go.  We know you knew.  And you know we know.
    It's deep doodoo time, big boy.  Blustery bullying isn't gonna work any more.
    Hopefully, soon, you'll just be a footnote in the NJ history of elected criminal officials.

    I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

    by Lilyvt on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 06:51:26 PM PDT

    •  Let's hope there is some evidence showing he (0+ / 0-)

      lied.  Other investigations coming down the road.  If he happens to slip through this he's going to be even more popular. No one on here will believe anything except he's guilty.  But that doesn't really matter.

      If I comply with non-compliance am I complying? Sarcasm is the ability to insult stupid people without them realizing it.

      by thestructureguy on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:45:07 PM PDT

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  •  Never a better time to follow the money. (2+ / 0-)
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    If the GOP big-wallet donors start to flirt with other potential nominees, I think Christie's rationale to appeal to the Republican primary voter is pretty much in ruins.

    Actually I think it's essentially there already.

    "How can we know the dancer from the dance?" (Yeats)

    by Remediator on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 06:34:26 PM PDT

  •  What you said (3+ / 0-)
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    bobatkinson, SGA, Janet 707
    After all, at any time Gov. Christie could have asked his top aides why the busiest bridge in the world—and a longtime target of terrorists—was at a standstill during the entire week of the 12th anniversary of the September 11 attacks.
    I keep wondering where the outrage is over the fact that this happened during a 9/11 anniversary.  That seems particularly egregious to me.  But no one mentions it -- not the media, no one.  

    The civil rights, gay rights and women's movements, designed to allow others to reach for power previously grasped only by white men, have made a real difference, and the outlines of 21st century America have emerged. -- Paul West of LA Times

    by LiberalLady on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 06:39:25 PM PDT

  •  I'm glad Christie has been exposed for what he is, (1+ / 0-)
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    just another corrupt politician.  So now the GOP has to think of a new presidential candidate to bring on the scene.  They are running out of viable candidates for a national election.
    I read on the HP an article that claimed the big Republican donors are trying to get Jeb Bush to run.  My God,  is that not desperation ?  After what the last Bush did to this country I would think that anyone with the Bush name would be reviled as a candidate, if not by hard core republicans then by independents.  But what do I know.

  •  Accountability Won't Happen. (0+ / 0-)

    But it's something to talk about until the next "fresher and more interesting" outrage.

    "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman.” - Arnold Schwarzenegger 2003

    by kerplunk on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:10:05 PM PDT

  •  Rachel Maddow just missed a MAJOR point (7+ / 0-)

    I just watched the Rachel Maddow Show, and I think she missed a really major point.  She was showing newly discovered pictures of 9/11/2013, all of which she noted were pictures of Chris Christie with David Wildstein.  In each photo, she pointed out the Gov next to or with Wildstein, and she commented that there were many opportunities for Wildstein to have spoke to Christie about the lane closings.

    But here's the big point she missed - and a lot of non-New Jersey folks wouldn't pick up:  In one of the pictures, with David Wildstein on the left and Christie on the right, the man in the middle is David Samson!  This is news.  So the 3 of them, close together at the very moment the lane closings were going on.  David Wildstein, who coordinated the lane closings for the Port Authority;  David Samson, NJ head of te PA, who retaliated for Christie.  

    Now we can see why Samson refused to be interviewed by the very law firm appointed by Christie himself to investigate the lane closings.  He was right there, in the middle.  (Oh, pardon me - the "lane reallighnments".)

    •  Samson is smart enough to know that your odds (0+ / 0-)

      of avoiding prison are higher if you never, ever say anything publicly or to investigators.

      The only way he'll say anything is if he gets immunity, and hopefully the prosecutors decide they don't need his testimony.

  •  I think they know Bridget Kelly (2+ / 0-)
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    is going to tell all she knows and that if she does, Christie will be deeply implicated.

    That would explain the sexist whitewash report which otherwise seems such an obvious mistake. They know they have to try and intimidate her one last time before she does indeed go down that road.

    Either that or they are just dumb sexist pigs.

    Remember to kick it over.

    by sprogga on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:16:33 PM PDT

  •  Witness tampering, Mr. Christie? (2+ / 0-)
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    On September 11, 2013, there was no investigation going on, ergo no "witnesses" to "tamper" with. So, what are you talking about with the witness tampering talk? Do you not speak to anyone on the off chance that there could be an ethical or criminal investigation of you or your crooked administration somewhere down the road?

    I believe most prosecutors would recognize that as a sure sign of a guilty conscience.

    •  You're assuming he did know about the reason (0+ / 0-)

      and the plan to have the back up.  At that time he claims it was just a traffic jam to him so nothing to dig into.  If there is proof he did know at that time or even before, the guilty mind thingy wouldn't even matter.  If all there is, is a guilty mind the investigation is dead in it's tracks. Might convict him on here but no where else.  

      If I comply with non-compliance am I complying? Sarcasm is the ability to insult stupid people without them realizing it.

      by thestructureguy on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:41:09 PM PDT

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  •  Using the Bush defense... (1+ / 0-)
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    No one could have said how this might work out better than GW himself:

     "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —

  •  Chris Christie and Sarah Palin (1+ / 0-)
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    We seem to be fascinated by these two people.  

    They are not who we should be focused on.  Great to poke fun at, but we need to be looking elsewhere to put our political energy toward.

    Just my opinion, of course, but this bridge thingy and the "I can see Obama's ass from my house" [sic] stuff is really getting kind of old.

  •  Christie might have appeared credible (3+ / 0-)

    if he simply said "it seems like my staff did this because they thought I wanted it, but they were wrong. Had they asked me I would have said no." I wouldn't have believed him but at least it's a plausible explanation.

    It just defies logic that they would make up this plan on their own for no particular reason.

    Personally I believe Christie ordered this whole thing but it's crazy that he's still talking about Fort Lee having "unfair" access lanes and that the lane closures still might have been party of some kind of traffic study.

    When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

    by PhillyJeff on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:33:36 PM PDT

  •  Liar (2+ / 0-)
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    Christie is an incredible liar.  He insults our intelligence with these cute answers.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

    by noofsh on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:35:37 PM PDT

  •  if mayor doherty (0+ / 0-)

    is any example dawn zimmer is probably one of the few straight talking mayors in nj, the sleaze that exudes from that state involving politics is more than noticeable it is disgusting.

    save america defeat all republicans and conservatives

  •  Kinda like my mom grading my SATs. n/t (0+ / 0-)


    "There are many truths of which the full meaning cannot be realized until personal experience has brought it home." John Stuart Mill

    by kuvasz on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 11:31:31 PM PDT

  •  I thought this was already resolved. its women (0+ / 0-)

    Warning!!! Despite the quotation stuff, what follows is not in fact a quotation and is not one of the 91 million hits available to those who Google "Chris Crristies binders full of women":

    Unidentified Reporter:So what really happened?

    New Jersey Governor Chris Christie: Well, Jeff, I think it is already established what happened. I didn't ask Briget about it - Ms. Kelly - because I'm a gentleman, but it's pretty clear something happened and then something didn't happen, and then some telephone calls on secure telephone lines weren't returned and then telephone calls stopped being made, and it is pretty clear that man-woman stuff was involved because they stopped emailing each other. I need to point out that I was still emailing Ms. Kelly until I stopped talking to her, because of course we did not have a man-woman relationship, and I  didn't choose to email her or ask her on either a secure or insecure telephone - or in person, we used to hold properly chaperoned meetings - about this man-woman thing for a number of reasons. One is that there is an entire lobby urging me to treat man-woman things the same as I treat man-man things, and I don't have any idea whether they men man-man things or man-man things. The second is that I really don't have any idea about patterns. That is why we asked for the traffic study. We wanted to know about patterns. I mean, it would have been more helpful relative to the question involved if I had asked Ms. Kelly if she wa having her period the week of the bridge closing - because I don't know Ms. Kelly's menstrual cycle and choose not to know Ms. Kelly's menstrual cycle because I think it is clear to any of you but the idiots, the ignoramuses and the English challenged that I did not have sex with that woman, with Ms. Kelly - but it would be wrong to ask such a question of such a close aid, even if counsel of my choosing were preparing to argue that "time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee" was some kind of libidinous slang. This is New Jersey and Fort Lee means what it means. I have heard, and I'm sure you've heard, that outside of New Jersey, Fort Lee is slang for, well, it's a fortress and it's named after the first family of "Down South," and that traffic problems was, well, you know. I didn't give this any mind, first because I'm a gentleman, and second because we were talking about a bridge and not a tunnel.

    Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

    by textus on Tue Apr 01, 2014 at 04:59:38 AM PDT

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