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Republican politicians and media outlets have a new hero: Dr. Steven Hotze of Texas. Hotze—whose medical views include the idea that women shouldn't take the birth control pill because it makes them less attractive to men—is seeking to repeal Obamacare over a technical interpretation of whether it qualifies as a revenue bill that should have originated in the House, not the Senate. His suit fell short in U.S. District Court, but he's appealed that ruling and his case is currently before the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals.

Hotze hasn't won anything, but he's captured the imagination of conservatives, especially in his home state of Texas where he's active in Republicans politics. Certified nutcase Rep. Louis Gohmert recently wrote an op-ed in National Review praising Hotze and proclaiming confidence that his case would make it to the Supreme Court and a couple of weeks ago, U.S. Senator John Cornyn joined Hotze on Fox News to make the pitch for Hotze's cause.

As Mother Jones' Tim Murphy writes, not only do conservatives love Hotze for his position on Obamacare—Fox host Neil Cavuto hailed him as "the doctor fighting to let you keep your doctor" during his appearance with Cornyn—but Hotze also fits right in with their anti-gay agenda. For example:

And for decades, he's trafficked in hysteria over equal status for gay citizens, which he has said would give gay people "a free hand to come and have relations with a minor, molest a child." [...]

"Once you allow them acceptability, then you allow them to proliferate," he told the Third Coast magazine in 1982. "And they proliferate by one means, and one means only, and that's recruiting. And they recruit the weak. They recruit children or young people in their formative years."

And, Murphy writes, it's not just stuff from the past:
When Democrat Annise Parker, whom Hotze had targeted in that 1985 race, was seeking to become the first openly gay mayor of a major American city in 2009, Hotze's group sent out 35,000 mailers noting her ties to an LGBT political group.
Yes, I understand that it's theoretically possible to oppose Obamacare without also being a hate-filled bigot. But that notwithstanding, it's hard not to notice that every time a new anti-Obamacare hero rises on the right, it seems like that's exactly what they are.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 09:35 AM PDT.

Also republished by Obamacare Saves Lives.

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  •  Next time I see a doctor I'm gonna ask him if he's (20+ / 0-)

    a republican.....cause republican doctors are pretty stupid.

  •  Shake the tree - nuts fall out (15+ / 0-)

    It really has been just a clowncar of hate coming out for everything the past few months. These guys just don't stop.

    Listen to the chair leg of truth! It does not lie! What does it say?

    by mhanch on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 09:41:21 AM PDT

  •  Yoiks (9+ / 0-)

    I seriously read up on Dr. Hotze a while back because of his alternative views on thyroid treatment, even thought of checking out his clinic.  

    Had no idea he was such a reactionary fool !

    "And, once again, the forces of niceness and goodness have triumphed over the forces of evil and rottenness." --Maxwell Smart

    by emobile on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 09:43:33 AM PDT

  •  They really are (7+ / 0-)

    all-or-nothing, even when the positions they take are seemingly completely unrelated.

    Let's also recall that Scott Roeder, the man who murdered George Tiller, originally got into anti-abortion causes by joining first an anti-tax group, then a gun-rights group.

  •  WTF? (14+ / 0-)
    whose medical views include the idea that women shouldn't take the birth control pill because it makes them less attractive to men

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 09:50:40 AM PDT

  •  "Although it is not true that all conservatives... (10+ / 0-)

    ...are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." –John Stuart Mill

    "The only thing that ever changed the conservative mind was the Union army." –Driftglass

    by mellowjohn on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 09:51:35 AM PDT

  •  No one ever asks nuts like these (6+ / 0-)

    the obvious question: Why would gays even CARE about "proliferating?"  Tobacco companies target youth, because it's in their economic best interest to do so.  So do political parties, for -- again -- obvious reasons.  There's no particular reason for gays to target youth and (horrors!) turn them gay.  It reminds me of the Jim Crow Era fears for the "chastity of the Southern white woman."  It's just plain bullshit, in other words, and ought to be rebutted at every opportunity.

    "Get over it...and get out of the way." -- Gov. Steve Beshear (D-KY)

    by mspicata on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 09:52:10 AM PDT

    •  I think the "proliferating" fear (6+ / 0-)

      is some bass-ackwards notion about tribal survival.

      I mean, tribal survival is definitely a deep-seated motivator, just like personal survival -- but to think that gay people care about the proliferation of gays as a tribal matter, you have to believe that they can't ever consider themselves in-tribe with straight people.  Like, you know, their straight siblings and cousins and nieces/nephews and so forth.

      And that only happens when you find it completely unthinkable that you could consider yourself in-tribe with them.

      Of course, "proliferation" isn't actually an issue in the slightest.  There are always going to be young gay people, whether or not older gay people "recruit" them, because straight people have gay children.  It's kind of a no-brainer.

      •  Agree. (3+ / 0-)
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        That tribal survival mentality certainly was behind the "chivalry" Jim Crow nonsense as well, and for the same reasons.  It would be nice if assholes like Dr. Hotze got called on it.

        "Get over it...and get out of the way." -- Gov. Steve Beshear (D-KY)

        by mspicata on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:09:42 AM PDT

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      •  One has to remember that all the fuss and (0+ / 0-)

        furor over sexual orientation, and orgasm partner preference, originates in a TRIBAL mythology book, where the nasty-minded, mean-spirited, little Tribal Idol HATES His whole Creation; and has already tried to wipe it off the face of the earth by a massive flood.  And, this same nasty little Tribal Idol, having "saved" a mere "family" of worshipers, has also condemned the future offspring of at least one of the survivors for a mythological "sin" of "sexual mis-behavior".  

        "Tribal survival" is, indeed, a "deep-seated motivator"; even if multi-millions of the rest of the world of human beings DO NOT BELONG to the "tribe" to begin with.  And, the unreasoning FEAR that someone - or some group - not in and of the "tribe" might actually proliferate to the point of making the "tribe" appear to be - as it is - both foolish and fantastic in its premises of survival, lends even stronger motivation to do the "tribe's" best to wipe out any and all mis-perceived "threats", or "dangers", to that survival.

        They let this guy practice Medicine?

        •  ... no, you're reading it backwards. (0+ / 0-)

          The assumption I'm talking about is not "in order to ensure our tribal survival, we have to wipe out The Gays," though there certainly have been idiots who believe this.

          It's the equally idiotic assumption of "in order to ensure their own tribal survival, The Gays must recruit young people and turn them gay."  Which assumption requires one to think of The Gays as their own separate tribe, and/or to assume that that's how they will inevitably think of themselves.

    •  Recruiting on the weak... (1+ / 0-)
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      "And they proliferate by one means, and one means only, and that's recruiting. And they recruit the weak.
      When I read this, I had two responses.

      The first is that if we did indeed recruit the weak, there would be a lot more gay conservatives out there...after all, gullibility and stupidity are certainly weaknesses, which suggests that there must be a lot of weak conservatives.

      Aside from that, I'll note that preying on the weak is the modus operandi of a lot of fundamentalist Christian churches.  I remember when I was in college talking to the members of a local non-denominational church that targeted students, and was amazed at how many came to that church to get away from severe drinking and drug problems.

      Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

      by TexasTom on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:52:53 AM PDT

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      •  And of course (0+ / 0-)

        there's only a need to view that sort of outreach as "preying" if you believe there's something wrong with the community and/or lifestyle that's drawing people in, and only a need to view it as "recruiting" if you believe it's being done for some ulterior motive.

        Otherwise it's just helping people in need find something they'll like and/or something that'll be good for them.

        (Mind you, I'm inclined to think there is something wrong with most fundamentalist churches, and I have no doubt they're inclined to think the same about me.)

  •  He is truly certifiable, but that argument is one (2+ / 0-)
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    that might well get the case to the Supreme Court on that limited issue. Roberts called it a tax, but glossed over that specific technical issue.  

    Dr. Steven Hotze of Texas. Hotze—whose medical views include the idea that women shouldn't take the birth control pill because it makes them less attractive to men—is seeking to repeal Obamacare over a technical interpretation of whether it qualifies as a revenue bill that should have originated in the House, not the Senate.
    I would not dismiss out of hand the possibility that his appeal might go somewhere.

    If you get confused, listen to the music play - R. Hunter

    by SpamNunn on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 09:53:33 AM PDT

    •  << buzzer sounds >> (4+ / 0-)
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      Roberts said the individual mandate was constitutional under the taxation power.  He did not say it was a bill primarily to raise revenue.  

      Nor is Hotze in fact correct, given that the Senate took a house bill and replaced it with the ACA language, not for the origination clause reason as far as i can tell but to comply with reconciliation procedures and avoid a filibuster.  i think this is why the ACA has a student loan reform component to it.  This falls on the grounds the Constitution establishes the origination clause but also says the House and Senate make the rules of their own proceedings so there's not a justicible question.

      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:26:03 AM PDT

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    •  Well, seeing as how a piece of paper, called, (0+ / 0-)

      "Articles of Incorporation", may soon be endowed with both "free speech" and "religious convictions", empowering IT to claim "exemptions" from Statutes at will, your premise is far from one to be "dismissed out of hand".

  •  Why not eliminate military (4+ / 0-)
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    I always wonder why these strict constitutionalists has not filed suit to eliminate the military.  It seems to be that Article I section 8 says, in pretty clear terms, that we are not supposed to have an indefinite standing army and that they only thing congress has the power to do is create a navy.  If these warmongers want to waste all out money they should have to go through an amendment process just like anyone else, not arbitrarily ignore the Constitution like some sort of dictator, creating Marines and Air Force and all these other things that were not specifically listed.

  •  Having come of age in the 1970s, (8+ / 0-)

    I can't take seriously any views by someone who claims that taking the Pill makes a woman less attractive to men.

    I have to assume this fellow had a much different experience of the decade than did I.

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 09:56:19 AM PDT

  •  Hotze has been around a long, long time (6+ / 0-)
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    I remember reading about him when I lived in Texas, as he'd occasionally come out with some whopper of a bigoted statement.

    These people are just evil and vile, people like Hotze. I hope he gets caught with his pecker in some glory hole in a dirty bookstore.

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 09:57:52 AM PDT

  •  If I were the RW media, (5+ / 0-)
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    I'd be careful about touting the good doctor for much.  Check out this story about his feud with the Texas Medical Board:

    "Get over it...and get out of the way." -- Gov. Steve Beshear (D-KY)

    by mspicata on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:03:36 AM PDT

    •  Oh, and I have to post this excerpt: (6+ / 0-)
      Steven Hotze (is) a Houston physician who in 1986 aligned himself with a group called the Coalition on Revival, which believed that all disease and disability is caused by the sin of Adam and Eve; that doctors shouldn't provide medical services on the Sabbath; and that Christians "need better health" than "non-Christian counterparts, for the advancement of God's Kingdom."

      Like Rea's, Hotze's approach to medicine is unconventional. Hotze traffics in scientific certainties either ignored or unreported by his mainstream counterparts. Birth control pills, for example, stifled the production of women's pheromones, "making them less attractive to men." But perhaps Hotze's finest contribution to the world of medicine is the groundbreaking discovery that men who have lost their testicles to disease or injury "have difficulty reading a map [and] performing math problems."

      "Get over it...and get out of the way." -- Gov. Steve Beshear (D-KY)

      by mspicata on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:07:06 AM PDT

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    •  Ah! The good old Houston Press. (5+ / 0-)
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      One of the best alternative weeklys in the country. They were the ones that exposed former ed sec. Paige's "Texas Education Miracle" as a fraud. They have some very good investigative journalists.

      Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

      by commonmass on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:07:30 AM PDT

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    •  Well, after all, this did happen in TEXAS. (1+ / 0-)
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      So, what did you expect?

      •  Hotze is a Dominionist. I heard him speak once. (1+ / 0-)
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        The Dominionists intend to take over the US government and run a theocracy (because God wants it that way.) They are tightly organized and very well-funded.  

        No sense of humor, though. Their ship of state would be pretty dreary.

        Feminism--the radical belief that women are human beings.

        by Mayfly on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 12:04:44 PM PDT

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  •  Well Odds are (4+ / 0-)
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    1) He's a Anti-Vax Quack

    2) Hopefully like many members of the house and senate he's saving countless lives by not practicing medicine.....

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:07:36 AM PDT

  •  Can someone please (3+ / 0-)
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    explain to me how and why these 'men' decide to become 'doctors' and what medical school graduates quacks like this? Greg Brannon in NC, this guy in TX..  

    Just makes me ill and wonder why these men become doctors in the first place - it can't be because they have compassion.. this guy is lacking both compassion and intelligence.

    Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

    by Caniac41 on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:09:22 AM PDT

  •  This guy is a nut! (6+ / 0-)
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    The bill that contained the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was H.R. 3590.  As the "H.R." prefix indicates, it was initiated in the House of Representatives. It's true that that Senate gutted the initial contents of the bill and replaced it with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, but that kind of thing has been done numerous times in the past, and I seriously doubt that the Supreme Court is going to get into how much a bill can be amended in the Senate without becoming a completely new bill -- especially when the House ultimately concurred with the Senate's amendments.

    Thinking that this argument has some merit certainly isn't the ONLY reason the guy is a nut, but it's certainly one of them.

    Bin Laden is dead. GM and Chrysler are alive.

    by leevank on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:10:33 AM PDT

  •  And this explains EVERYTHING (2+ / 0-)
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    Suzanne Somers dedicated an entire chapter to Dr. Hotze in her New York Times best seller, "Breakthrough".  “This Texan doctor is going to steal your heart,” writes Somers. “He has so much energy he can’t wait to get to his office each day.  He has built up a practice that is the envy of doctors everywhere."  

    Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

    by Caniac41 on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:14:08 AM PDT

  •  Beware the recruiters! (1+ / 0-)
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    They've got an office on Main street.  

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:14:22 AM PDT

  •  He'd be right at home in Russia (3+ / 0-)
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    Compare this asshole's quote in the diary, drawing a link between gays and child molesters, to this from my diary Top Comments: Hunted in Russia Edition last night:

    (Dr. Steven Hotze):

    "Once you allow them acceptability, then you allow them to proliferate," he told the Third Coast magazine in 1982. "And they proliferate by one means, and one means only, and that's recruiting. And they recruit the weak. They recruit children or young people in their formative years."

    (Father Sergei, a "respected priest"):

    These things are interconnected. Where gays are allowed, paedophilia will soon flourish. Permitted evil gives rise to more evil. Paedophiles, gays and people like this, are basically serving the Devil.

    Yeah, he'd fit right in.

    "He is Joe McCarthy, he is bad news ... I hope Mr. Cruz does not have a nice weekend." - Chris Matthews

    by lotac on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:18:01 AM PDT

  •  Who knew that being a bigoted asshole is part (1+ / 0-)
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    of health and wellness?  Since the South has the worst health in the nation it is all starting to make sense.

    I am pro-life. Bring our troops home ALIVE!

    by Doc Allen on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:20:12 AM PDT

  •  I've actually shook Hotze's hand (3+ / 0-)
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    LOL, what can I say, like Zelig and Candide, I get around.  

    We lived in the Houston area from 1984-1996, although I was born there in 1952 and lived there again briefly in 1974-75.  

    Hotze and his mother were the prime movers of the antigay "Straight Slate" for City Council in....I think, 1985?  They forced a referendum on gay rights before that, which they won, and then they thought they could take over the city council.  Instead, they lost every race.  

    In 1992, I was the election Judge for our voting precinct.  Election Judges were appointed by the County Commissioners, and as the Democratic Executive Commitee member, I was appointed by my then Democratic County Commissioner Jim Fonteno, whom I had never met - I just got the appointment in the mail and I was like "Whoa!"  So I studied how to run the election, found election clerks, etc.  Then after the polls closed I carried the results to the Astrohall, an exhibit building next to the Astrodome.  Election Judges were lined up to turn in our results.  It so happened that Hotze and a friend of his came to be the two persons in line just behind me.  I quickly realized who he was - he had appeared so many times on local TV news his mug was unmistakable.  Plus, he has a nameplate badge on.  He was infamous - lots of people joked about what a prude and pecksniff he was.  LGBT people hated his angular, pointy-nosed face - he looked kind of like that character actor who just died, the one who played the Secretary of Defense in "Independence Day."  I listened to his talk with his friend.  He said with socialized medicine coming in he was going to get out of the practice of medicine - which I'm sure he has by now, as he's got to be almost 70 and doesn't need to work anymore.  At one point I could tell they were wondering who I was.  They didn't know me, and by my appearance (bearded, long hair back then, casual dress) I think they figured out I wasn't a Republican.  Hotze turned to me and introduced himself, shook my hand and fucking squeezed it so hard it was sore about an hour afterward.  He introduced his friend, who had a normal handshake, and who's name I forgot as quickly as I heard it.  He asked me what precinct I was Judge of and I told him, so he said, "Ah, so you were appointed by Fonteno," which I confirmed and he turned and nodded to his friend as if to say, "See, this hippie is a Democrat..."  Hotze lived in West Houston which was then the most Republican part of the City and had a Republican County Commissioner.  

    Hotze's name came up often in my circles, usually with derision, but among Catholic right-wingers, he fucking was Houston.  I'm sure he's in Bill Donohue's Rolodex.  

    That he is doing this is no surprise - Hotze never met a right-wing cause he didn't like.  

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -- John Kenneth Galbraith

    by Kangaroo on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:20:45 AM PDT

  •  The quote above: (2+ / 0-)
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    "Once you allow them acceptability, then you allow them to proliferate," he told the Third Coast magazine in 1982. "And they proliferate by one means, and one means only, and that's recruiting. And they recruit the weak. They recruit children or young people in their formative years."  

    Is this not an apt description of the Republican Party/Tea party and benefactors?

    •  Not to mention... (0+ / 0-)

      ...any religion one can think of. Which is probably what gave rise to this idea in the first place: assuming those you've identified as adversaries will engage in the same tactics as you.

      And of course, we actually "proliferate" in exactly the same way everyone else does. That, in turn, points to yet another hallmark of the bigoted mind: blaming things for which they bear responsibility on others.

  •  I don't understand how you guys ... (2+ / 0-)
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    can watch FOX, or their video clips to be able to make these diaries. It's got to be painful.

    I forget your question, but that's my answer.

    by glb3 on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:24:26 AM PDT

  •  Dr. Hotze has been a cringe-worthy laughingstock (1+ / 0-)
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    for decades. That he has been treated seriously for the past ten years merely makes him cringe-worthy. I'm not laughing anymore.

    Our government is not yet small enough to drown in a bathtub. That doesn't mean it can't be waterboarded.

    by furrfu on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:24:43 AM PDT

  •  Few things piss me off more (1+ / 0-)
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    Than an old man lecturing me on what is "attractive" to other men, and birth control. It is so goddam condescending and demeaning it makes me sick.

    Nothing like a group of old men standing around discussing my vagina. >:[

    Money should be treated like any other controlled substance; if you can't use it responsibly then you don't get to use it.

    by La Gitane on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:28:08 AM PDT

  •  Yes, Dr. Steven Hotze (3+ / 0-)
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    He has been around for years although in the last 20 years he has been quiet most of the time. I suppose he still works a lot behind the scenes.
    He was a driving force between the 1985 referendum that defeated an equal rights city ordinance. In the fall of 1985 his mother ran for the Houston City Council on a Straight Slate. All of this slate lost.
    I first heard of him about 1982 when he lived in Austin and had failed to defeat a fair housing ordinance. He was really a sore loser, wanted to re-run the election.

    Censorship is rogue government.

    by scott5js on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:30:56 AM PDT

  •  the Houston referendum (3+ / 0-)
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    I was a young adult lesbian in Houston at the time of that referendum in the mid 80s.  Hotze led the charge in overturning a city ordinance protecting gays from discrimination.  His rhetoric was so over the top, and so hateful.  He won by a 4 to 1 margin.  I had never felt so belittled in my life.  Cried for a day.  

    Mayor Parker is trying to revive the ordinance now, and there is some dissension in the LGBT community here over it:  Some of us don't want to give the rabid haters another opportunity to attack us.

    But politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth. - Paul Krugman

    by cwyatthouston on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:45:25 AM PDT

  •  It WAS a House Bill (3+ / 0-)
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    At least under the rules that govern Congress.

    The law was enacted by passing HR. 3590, which of course originated in the House. Now it may seem passing strange to us that the original subject of HR. 3590 had little to nothing to do with Obamacare and that Reid simply stripped out its text and substituted that of the Senate Majority Leaders Mark as amended. But this kind of manuever is done all the time. SIMPLY TO PRESERVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT THAT REVENUE BILLS ORIGINATE IN THE HOUSE.

    It is not like Reid or the Senate Parliamentarian somehow missed this language in the Constitution, instead they passed a House Resolution and returned it to the House which subsequently approved it and sent it to Obama for signature.

    This kind of nonsense is known in the Military as Barracks Law. That is some private or non-com thinks he has found a loophole in Regs that no Commanding Officer or Advocate General ever thought of. It doesn't end well.

    Though you never know with the Roberts Court trying to impose a test that any bill effecting revenue really, truly SUBSTANTIVELY had its origin in the House and disregarding all the back and forth compromising, rewriting, amending and conferencing that goes into crafting a final fill would be to potentially invalidate thousands of pieces of legislation going back decades.

    SocSec dot.Defender at - founder DK Social Security Defenders Group

    by Bruce Webb on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:49:12 AM PDT

    •  Followed the link (1+ / 0-)
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      and the judge in both this case and another one directly rejected the Origination claim. HR 3590 did have a revenue component and they ruled this made it a 'revenue bill' that could be amended (or in this case more like 'gutted and replaced") by different revenue language.

      But in any event the whole thing is silly. The Origination clause itself seemed more based on British Precedent than anything really substantive (revenue bills being required to start in the House of Commons and not in the House of Lords) and I can't see any Appeals Judge or the Supremes disrupting a third of the American economy on such slender and specious grounds.

      SocSec dot.Defender at - founder DK Social Security Defenders Group

      by Bruce Webb on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:56:28 AM PDT

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  •  A Doctor Huh? (0+ / 0-)

    "Do No Harm"

    Revoke his credentials.

  •  Hotze (1+ / 0-)
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    Is (a) very uneducated about procedural matters in Congress and (b) may have an unscrupulous and unprofessional attorney.  All revenue bills "originate" in the House, even if they are proposed and passed in the Senate.  The Senate takes the text and attaches it as a substitute for a House-passed measure and sends it back to the House, with the House bill number, thus satisfying the "origination" requirement.  He should have learned that in civics class.

    "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little. " --Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by jg6544 on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 11:44:26 AM PDT

    •  Hotze is a Dominionist--he wants a theocracy. (1+ / 0-)
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      Civics is pointless in his world view.  Dominionists would do away with prisons--minor crimes would be punished by a period of involuntary servitude. Capital crimes (and the Dominionists have designated a lot of those) would be punished by public stoning.  

      I can't imagine how someone like that could function in elected office or even as an aide.

      Feminism--the radical belief that women are human beings.

      by Mayfly on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 12:26:35 PM PDT

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  •  1982, really? (0+ / 0-)

    1982 was the dark ages of the evolution of LGBT views.  I hope I never have to hear anything I said back in 1982.  

    Not defending the guy, but really 1982 ??

  •  "young people in their formative years." (0+ / 0-)

    Also known as puberty; you know, that period that everyone goes through during which they experience a sexual awakening. Just because some people realize they're gay when they go through puberty doesn't mean anything other than their own hormones have recruited them.

    Some people are just total dumbasses.

  •  hotze in the 60s (0+ / 0-)

    my sister and brother went to grade school with hotze in the 60s. even then he was a segregationist, pro-war, anti-women. hotze is a lifetime nutcase...

    "Scientists have proven that food stamp cuts starve and kill people while tax increases on the wealthy do not." - VerySeriousPeople™ @TheXclass

    by slangist on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 05:18:33 PM PDT

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