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Morning Joe tackled the issue of equal pay for women today. It turns out that Joe Scarborough did the right thing by his co-host, Mika Brzezinski. As Mika recounts it, he told her what he made. He backed her up when she went to management to get it taken care of. And her “progressive boss” ensured she was compensated appropriately. Of course, one wonders how progressive her boss could be if she had to go to him for equal pay after the fact.

What was obvious is that Joe Scarborough, unbeknownst to himself, is in battle with Joe Scarborough. While he did right by Mika, he is against some codification of laws that mitigate the reality that equal pay laws have not and are not working. He along with most Republicans continue to put an ideology that believes in a nonexistent market that corrects all wrongs. This theology can only go so far until people’s pains begin crashing down into reality.

Dana Milbank’s WaPo piece, “Republicans kiss votes from women goodbye,” nails it. His piece can be summarized with the following observations:

  • A Republican congressman that ran on family values gets caught in an affair with a woman on his staff. Who loses their job? The woman loses her job.
  • Eric Cantor (R-VA) as opposed to acknowledging there is really a wage gap in his news conference, wants Democrats to “put the politics aside” and talk with Republicans about “things that we can do together, things that disproportionately impact women, without playing politics.”
  • Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, even as he faces a woman running against him, calls voting on women-centric policies "show votes."
  • According to the National Women’s Law Center, Paul Ryan’s budget disproportionately cut women’s benefits.
  • The portions of government expenditures, like the military that helps mostly men, are relatively untouched.
  • GOP media like Breitbart News continue their misogyny.
  • George Bush’s CIA director Michael Hayden attempts to discredit Senator Dianne Feinstein by referring to her scrutiny of the CIA as “emotional.”

If women begin to vote their interests in waves, policies will change. If Republicans refuse to support women-centric policies, they will be extinct.

Originally posted to ProgressiveLiberal on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 04:19 PM PDT.

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  •  Sadly, one of the few areas of equality for women (14+ / 0-)

    Is that they CAN be just as dumb as men, and vote Republican. It's the same as 'Log Cabin Republicans', gays who are Republicans even though the R Party wants to deny them basic human rights, even want them dead. Lots of women will still vote Republican even though it's absolutely against their own interests.

    Gonna find my baby, gonna hold her tight, gonna grab some afternoon delight. My motto's always been; when it's right, it's right. Why wait until the middle of a cold dark night? - Louisiana Congressman Vance McAllister (R)

    by Fordmandalay on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 04:33:44 PM PDT

    •  Not dumb so much as trained or even not (17+ / 0-)

      knowing what their choices and options are. Growing up with some serious believers in the "man given dominion over woman" thing I've seen this happen. Girls raised from the time their in diapers to their wedding dress told they are nothing more then their husband's property. They don't know anything else and despite social media, TV, etc. when you grow up in rural parts of this country you're not exposed to enough to counter it. Then you have the Coulters, Shitflys (thanks, JeffW!), Palin, and other women who spout the same nonsense. Ignorance is what the conservative movement feeds on and actively works to create more of.

      GOP 2014 strategy -- Hire clowns, elephants, and a ringmaster and say "a media circus" has emerged and blame Democrats for lack of progress. Have pundits agree that "both sides are to blame" and hope the public will stay home on election day.

      by ontheleftcoast on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 04:43:00 PM PDT

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      •  Yah. I was supposed ta (19+ / 0-)

        grow up believing that bullshit.

        Luckily for me, I'm a lesbian, and I don't think men are the be-all and end-all of anyone's existence, least of all their own.

        English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street. E. B. White

        by Youffraita on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 04:49:27 PM PDT

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        •  Ultimately it's about privilege (12+ / 0-)

          And why folks like O'Reilly and the rest are so worried about "losing the culture war". They know damn well their world is predicated on lies, misogyny, racism, etc. and requires those subclasses to support them. They couldn't live in a world of tolerance and equality. And once people get enough exposure to different ideas they find it harder to accept their "lot in life" and look for something different.

          GOP 2014 strategy -- Hire clowns, elephants, and a ringmaster and say "a media circus" has emerged and blame Democrats for lack of progress. Have pundits agree that "both sides are to blame" and hope the public will stay home on election day.

          by ontheleftcoast on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 04:59:19 PM PDT

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          •  Religion mis-informs voters. (5+ / 0-)

            All three major religions have historically been male dominated and male oriented -- putting women in subservient positions -- as well as having been used as excuses for a myriad of evils, mostly committed by men.  

            Religion, every flavor of it, is a MAN made POWER tool fueled by fear and need and greed. All those "holy" books on which the majority religions are based were messages written, interpreted, edited and published by men for the purpose of "informing", influencing -- read controlling -- the lives of others, especially women.

            The actual owners of the GOP brand are clearly the greediest of the wealthiest of the investor class BUT, having seen the effectiveness of the already well organized church groups in furthering the movement toward civil rights legislation, they decided on their own plan to make use of the power of organized religion as well.

            Republicans decided to abandon support for individual liberty and equal right under law on the most personal decisions anyone can make  -- freedom for the GOP now applies ONLY to money -- the unregulated pursuit of it and the untaxed hoarding of it.

            GOP support for freedom with regard to weapons is all about the profit$; expect that to change when and as the  popular revolt against economic tyranny nears and as all who want a weapon have many more than they'll ever need so sales in the US are already lagging.  Thereafter, if the GOP "values" voter abortion issue strategy is any guide,  the Republican "leadership" will "sell" the  idea that massive government purchases of weaponry (that are actually desired to offset losses of purchases from individuals) are, of course, genuinely necessary in order for our "godly" nation to prepare for that global conflagration that is the self fulfilling prophecy of "Armageddon".

            The GOP support for freedom of religion is nothing less than a hoax -- freedom of religion must also include freedom from it -- but the zealots, brainwashed generation after generation, and whose every life decision is supposedly controlled by ancient religious myths --  fail to grasp that.

            The GOP had to "castrate" the libertarian Republicans and have them abandon any overt support for freedom for anyone that makes personal decisions with which the religious zealots disagree in order to get the zealots  to zealously support the GOP -- after all, a vote for a Republican by the majority of people is usually a vote that is contrary to their own economic best interest because   the greediest of the wealthiest of the investor class, who are the actual owners of the GOP,  would be a permanent minority without the zealots they've labeled the  "values" voters.

        •  I wonder how often people have been (9+ / 0-)

          able to say this, even in so specific a context:

          Luckily for me, I'm a lesbian, ...
          Some things do change for the better, if slowly.
          •  Ha. Speaking for hetero men, (0+ / 0-)

            I'm one who often says, "What a waste." when learning that such an amazing woman is a lesbian.

            Lucky for her, but not so much for us.  :-)

            You can't spell CRAZY without R-AZ.

            by rb608 on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 06:05:32 PM PDT

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            •  Yes, lucky for her (6+ / 0-)

              And also not a "waste" for either her or her SO.

              You're just out of luck all the way around.

            •  It's only a waste if you're a man. It's a blessing (1+ / 0-)
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              if you're also a lesbian!

              "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill, 1806 - 1873

              by Terry S on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 05:30:33 PM PDT

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            •  It's never a waste... (2+ / 0-)
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              if you end up being friends with another person, no matter what their orientation or agenda happens to be.

              The problem I have with most Repubs / TPartiers / conservatives is that their agenda is a "my way or the highway" one, which doesn't leave much room for anyone to be different.

              All the GOP talk about individual's rights only applies if you look like them, act like them, and believe as they do.  They just want you to mirror everything about them so they'll feel better about themselves.

              Or so it seems to me at present...

            •  You know... (1+ / 0-)
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              That's kinda what we say about guys.  That they're either "taken or gay"!  It's kind of nice to see guys think the same way.  :)

              Hmmmm.....I need to think about that for awhile................

              by GirlSwimmingInASeaOfRed on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 12:15:05 AM PDT

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            •  As my late, gay uncle said to such a comment: (1+ / 0-)
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              "I assure you, it isn't wasted."

              We build on foundations we did not lay. We warm ourselves by fires we did not light. We sit in the shade of trees we did not plant... We are ever bound in community.-Peter Raible

              by SilentBrook on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 12:46:32 PM PDT

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            •  In evolutionary terms (0+ / 0-)

              it has been worked out that having non-reproductive lesbian and gay relatives is beneficial to their nieces and nephews under some circumstances, and that the loss of direct DNA inheritance for the LGs is more than made up for in the success of the families where they make their contributions taken as a whole.

              See also the imagery for fish without bicycles.

              The case is not as extreme as that of non-breeding haploid workers in hive species (ants, bees, wasps, termites, naked mole rats), but it is a similar idea.

              Cue exploding Republican heads and total denial.

              Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

              by Mokurai on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 08:47:57 PM PDT

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          •  every time she looks in a mirror (2+ / 0-)
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            as we all ought to be able to say about ourselves...

            Luckily for me, I'm me. period.

            "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." - Tom Robbins - Political Compass sez: -8.25, -7.90

            by ARS on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 02:10:46 PM PDT

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        •  Well, I'm not a lesbian, and.... (2+ / 0-)
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          I don't think men are the be-all and end-all either.  They're no better or worse than I am just because their dick is on the outside!  

          Hmmmm.....I need to think about that for awhile................

          by GirlSwimmingInASeaOfRed on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 12:12:01 AM PDT

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      •  Refusal to buy into 'barefoot & pregnant' virtues (11+ / 0-)

        may require giving up a childhood home and family ties.  Girls often know there are other choices, but the social penalties for nonconformity are serious.

      •  Heh™! You're most welcome, but you... (3+ / 0-)

        ...mentioned She Who™? Is An Idiot by name.

        Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

        by JeffW on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 07:27:18 PM PDT

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      •  You are so right (8+ / 0-)

        I grew up with this BS, too. It's a different world in the religious South, for sure! Women actually BELIEVE they're worth less than men. It's ingrained in them for generations! While we sit around scratching our heads as to how on earth they could still vote Republican, they sit thinking how immoral we are!

    •  false consciousness hath no gender..../nt (4+ / 0-)

      Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

      by annieli on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 04:45:43 PM PDT

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    •  It's a form of Stockholm Syndrome (3+ / 0-)
    •  Lots of girls are brought up in the bubble (0+ / 0-)

      where they have to devote all of their efforts to preparing for getting married and then doing what their man tells them to. Also male pastors, politicians, bosses…and if a woman suggests doing otherwise, full Cognitive Dissonance sets in, and such a woman is readily demonized.

      These practices can also be compared with Stockholm Syndrome, coming to identify with terrorist captors, particularly when actual physical and emotional abuse is involved.

      We are fortunate that as many fall away as do, and that few of their children will fall back in.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 08:37:26 PM PDT

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  •  Joe Proved the Conservative Market Point. (14+ / 0-)

    Mika felt aggrieved, she went to her white male boss, and out of the generosity of his heart he individually chose to arrange for more pay for her.

    See? There is no problem.

    You've got a great list of reasons Republicans should have to kiss women's votes goodbye. The tricky bit --especially in a midterm election year-- is how to make women realize this and turn out in unusual numbers to vote against Republicans.

    Women shifted Republican last midterm because of rightwing scare tactics about Obamacare motivating conservative women, and Democrats' pathological hatred of motivating their voters allowing Dem women to feel like staying home.

    We have to find a way to work around the party to change this.

    The war on women is one issue that should be easy to convey if we can figure out a distribution strategy.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 04:34:31 PM PDT

  •  Tyrannosaurus Rep: (14+ / 0-)

    A member of the Republican Party in the United States Congress which went extinct in the early 21st Century.  Known for their cruelty, they traveled in male-dominated groups (caucuses) and preyed on the less fortunate. They attempted to dominate and prevail over the American spirit, but ultimately failed.  Their end was sudden and spectacular and brought to a close a dark period in American history.

    (This textbook not printed in Texas.)

    "I'm just trying to shovel smoke with a pitchfork in the wind... " - John Lennon

    by Paragryne on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 05:25:44 PM PDT

    •  This textbook is not printed in red states. (7+ / 0-)

      That is what is wrong with red states.

    •  Can (1+ / 0-)
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      we fast forward to this time, perhaps?  Like in Nov or at least in 2016?  Dare we hope, or are too many women still buying this crap?

      •  The power to make that happen (1+ / 0-)
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        is ours.  We must hope for change.

        If any women buy this crap it is too many, and I'm afraid they do, some always will.  

        GOTV.

        "It's like trying to shovel smoke with a pitchfork in the wind... " - John Lennon

        by Paragryne on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 04:30:20 PM PDT

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      •  In Buddhism the force of karma (0+ / 0-)

        is often represented in the Wheel of Time, held by Mahakala, the wrathful aspect of Avalokiteshvara. It takes time for karma to mature and come back on the actor.

        Avalokiteshvara normally appears in a benevolent aspect as the Bodhisattva of compassion, commonly as a woman in beautiful robes offering medicine, a flower, a musical instrument, or some other sign of help towards enlightenment. For those who decline these offers of help, compassion appears as revenge against them, and the wrathful aspect appears: a gigantic black demon in a necklace of skulls, holding the wheel of time and within it the Six Worlds of rebirth. But it is themselves, projected outward, whom they really fear.

        Thus fighting racism and working toward real equality appears to the Right as Reparations and enslaving them. Equality of women appears to them to be enslavement by dominating women. Fairness on immigration is destruction of White civilization. Science is war on religious freedom.

        Or, as it has been put in another tradition,

        Experience teaches a dear school, but fools will learn in no other.
        Poor Richard's Almanac, by Benjamin Franklin

        Poor Richard was a raving optimist. Fortunately some of the children of the fools resist making fools of themselves, and are capable of learning from their parents' experience and their own.

        Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

        by Mokurai on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 09:02:14 PM PDT

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  •  We have to figure out how to reach (9+ / 0-)

    women who only get their information from hate radio and Fox News.  They don't even know anymore what their choices are.  The misinformation from rightwing sources is stunningly misleading and wide reaching.  I lived with my rightwing sister for a year.  What she didn't know was jaw dropping to me, and even moreso was that she buys into the bs with everything she has.  All else is "librul media" and to be hated with a passion that was frankly kind of frightening.

    .

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 07:42:14 PM PDT

    •  That must have been very stressful. eom (3+ / 0-)
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      "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." -- Sen Carl Schurz 1872

      by Calamity Jean on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 12:35:47 AM PDT

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      •  Thought someday I would write a diary (5+ / 0-)

        about it, but it's been less than a year since I moved out and am still feeling stressed about it.  It's ugly in the enemy camp, as it were.  Uglier than I could have ever imagined.  These people are seething with hate, fear and are out of their minds over Obama specifically and Democrats in general.  Whoever first came up with the idea to fill the right's heads with propaganda could not have imagined how successful that campaign would be.   Someday I'd like to know what the end game was in all of this - what were they trying to achieve?  Super majorities?  Total control?  The herd mentality really works well with rightwingers.  What they don't realize is that some day someone could come along and hate on christians, or blonde haired blue eyed people, or some such nonsense.  If it can be done, which it can, it can be done with anyone.

        The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

        by AnnieR on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 06:23:23 AM PDT

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        •  Herd mentality... (5+ / 0-)

          pretty much nails their political and religious ideology.  Fear of having an independent thought, of weighing and analyzing and figuring something out for themselves using their own moral compass.  Which they've never actually cultivated, so being a Borg is much more comfortable.  

          •  I saw that with my sister. (3+ / 0-)

            There's nothing in the way she lives her life that's original, all her own.  It's all about the men she's with or her boss and the people she works with.  It's really sad.  But the hate festering in her is really scary.  I've backed away and plan to stay at arm's length.  She's toxic as is her extremist loser of a boyfriend who also lives there, sits in the garage all day drinking and smoking and cuts the lawn once a week.  Very strange dynamics between the two.  Think the attraction was that festering hate.

            The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

            by AnnieR on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 03:30:58 PM PDT

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          •  Fear (1+ / 0-)
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            of going to Hell. Fear has a strong but evil power over people.
            If you can't overcome it, you'll be a victim of it your whole life. It's one of the saddest facts of life, I think.

            •  See Huckleberry Finn (0+ / 0-)

              The sentence on which the whole tale hangs is

              I will go to Hell, then.
              There is a similar breakthrough in the Jamie Uys movie Dingaka, from long before The Gods Must Be Crazy.
              I will do right, though the Gods slay me.
              To my mind, the only part of Frank Herbert's Dune worth bothering with is the Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear.

              Christians are supposed to know this, too.

              Perfect love casts out fear.
              But too many think that the fear of the Lord and of his self-appointed human instruments is not only the beginning of wisdom, but also the middle and end.

              Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

              by Mokurai on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 09:20:42 PM PDT

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          •  There is a Zen koan on that (0+ / 0-)
            To do something yourself, without copying others, is to become an example to the world.
            Except that then it is an example that they can't just copy. Well, the same is true in science. You are not a scientist at least until you have discovered something that nobody else knew.

            There are numerous koans containing statements like this.

            Even if what you say is true, if you do not know why, it does you no good.
            Christians are supposed to know this, and many do.
            You've got to walk that lonesome valley,
            You've got to walk it by yourself.
            No-one else can walk it for you,
            You've got to walk it by yourself.
            But within the Christianity of Denial, Cognitive Dissonance can overcome any facts.

            Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

            by Mokurai on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 09:15:28 PM PDT

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        •  I hear that sharing stress can sometimes (0+ / 0-)

          reduce it. Hindus and Buddhists call it an Act of Truth. Archbishop Desmond Tutu had a similar idea with the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa. You can't get everybody to participate, but you can find communities of those who have been through it and are willing to demonstrate in detail that you are not alone, including former oppressors and former oppressed, who often turn out to be the same people.

          Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

          by Mokurai on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 09:06:41 PM PDT

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    •  Errr ... did she know your political leanings? (6+ / 0-)

      If so, did she still go off about this stuff to you? At you?

      I'm wondering because so many of us are too polite/family-oriented/peace-making to make waves in the family. (I do it, too.)

      But, maybe that is why we have our current problems. After all the dad with Fox-geezer syndrome doesn't seem to feel much compunction about ranting the latest talking points causing perhaps multiple people in his vicinity some discomfort. Maybe he doesn't know because everybody is too polite to say something. We all just smile and let him go on. Maybe he would think about it a bit more if challenged. Firmly challenged.

      Maybe we are doing a disservice to our nearest and dearest by not challenging them.  It's not like they seem happy in their anger and fear.

      Help us to save free conscience from the paw Of hireling wolves whose gospel is their maw. ~John Donne

      by ohiolibrarian on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 11:27:01 AM PDT

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      •  More true of liberals than conservatives (6+ / 0-)

        in my experience - avoiding those contentious discussions.  I've told my brother that politics is off-limits at family gatherings because we're poles apart.  He does pretty well but every once in a while he can't resist getting some dig in - I blast him with both barrels, just to remind him that etiquette and manners won't keep me from reacting to his deliberate provocation.  My boss knows my politics and knows I hate it when he brings up his at work,  but sometimes he still does it - I always respond, I just don't have it in me to sit silent when someone throws down the gauntlet that way.

      •  She knew. (1+ / 0-)
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        Her and her boyfriend took on the challenge of trying to convert me.  We had to agree to disagree on politics and not discuss the subject any longer.  Of course whenever Obama did something that pissed them off, including getting re-elected, I had to hear about it.  Actually the boyfriend didn't talk to me for 2 weeks after the re-election.  Anytime Obama was on his precious Fox he went into a rage.  No kidding.  These people are nuts.  They truly believed, because Fox told them, that Romney would win.  The whole dynamic is simply stunning.

        The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

        by AnnieR on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 08:25:11 AM PDT

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      •  I have discussions about this with my sis-in-law (0+ / 0-)

        Frequently. She says you should just shut up and let them have their say. She won't even have bumper stickers because it might offend some one.  I say that I have as much right as anyone to speak up.  I rarely say anything first, but I won't let someone else spout rw lies without a challenge.

        Be bold. Be courageous. Americans are counting on you. Gabby Giffords.

        by Leftleaner on Sun Apr 13, 2014 at 01:56:53 AM PDT

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    •  Some of them can learn from their children eom (0+ / 0-)

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 09:02:50 PM PDT

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  •  If ever there was a time (1+ / 0-)
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    for R's to just say "Yes, dear," and signed or voted for what was required, this was it.  They can still find loop holes or whatever to do what they want, anyways.  And they know it!  But they chose to dig in their heels, and festoon themselves with this "DO NOT CROSS" yellow tape.  For what?  Solidified stupidity.

    "The light which puts out our sight is darkness to us." Thoreau

    by NancyWH on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 06:10:48 AM PDT

  •  Sadly women tend (0+ / 0-)

    to vote as their Father's/Husband's/boyfriends do.

    •  Show Me (1+ / 0-)
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      a statistic to support this.  I don't vote like my dad did, no siree!  And I'm female, just so you know.  My husband and I mostly agree but not always, and that's fine with both of us.

      •  It's a genuine tendency in some communities (2+ / 0-)
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        even though there is a huge gender gap in others. But there is no segment of society in which women universally vote for women's rights, just as there are a few Blacks who vote for racists, gays who vote for bigots, immigrants who vote for immigrant-bashers, and so on. They say that some Jews voted for Hitler, telling themselves that all of the anti-Semitism was just an act put on to attract votes and he wasn't going to do anything about it.

        Pew Research has quantified the differences in men's vs. women's opinions between the most Conservative and most Liberal segments of society, by age.

        It is hard to actually do this by community, but Pew has found a usable proxy in the differences between married and unmarried women, which show the largest gender gap differences among all of the ways of dividing up the country.

        That's why some Conservatives, taking causality exactly backwards, have proposed that the cure for teh Librul is simply to get all unmarried women married, so that, from having the benefits of superior male wisdom or something, they will become as conservative as married women on their side.

        Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

        by Mokurai on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 09:35:07 PM PDT

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  •  Be skeptical of the women's vote (3+ / 0-)
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    You have to be skeptical of the women's vote especially in the South. Remember the story about the woman wanting to vote for President Obama however her husband told her to vote for Romney and she voted for Romney because she would not lie to her husband about who she voted for when he asked. It is in their best interest to vote for a progressive Democrats if they want equality in America however women in the South are still being treated like servants and they accept the role.
    Although some of these states are not in the south women put these fanatics in office. States like Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, Florida and yes in California before. Remind them that slavery is unconstitutional.

    •  My parents were Southerners (1+ / 0-)
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      SilentBrook

      and their standing joke was that her vote canceled out his.  My mother isn't the least aggressive (her sister is another matter!) but she doesn't take guff from anyone, and she doesn't seem much different from my other female relatives.  I don't think it's the South, it must be the fundamentalist religious teaching that produces this kind of thinking - yet another reason why this ideology should be recognized as a cancer and irradiated.

  •  Why the GOP can Kiss... (0+ / 0-)

    51% of women of European dissent voted for John MC, Kathy P. of the Nation called it Stockholm syndrome. I will wait and see if the GOP can kiss that vote goodbye.

  •  Women can be stupid....... (5+ / 0-)

    ....if they vote Republican. Come on ladies, these clowns are sticking it up BOTH orifices, and if you're too blind and ignorant to notice, them you get what you deserve! Help us get rid of these GOP miscreants before they take away women's suffrage next!!

  •  Breitbart News? (2+ / 0-)

    Andrew Breitbart died, didn't he?  Can't we pry the news from his cold, dead fingers?

  •  I grew up in the north, have lived almost 40 years (4+ / 0-)

    in the south. Same with my husband. We always had an equal marriage, always raised our two sons to respect women and they were used to me being assertive and voicing my opinion openly.  But they grew up to be conservative cave men!  Nothing like their father who was raised by a single mom and has always been about equality and women being able to do anything a man does.  Is it in the water here?  Or maybe it is because of the baptist churches they went to.  More specificly, Southern Baptist churches.  I went to a baptist church in the north, nothing like those down here!  I found the ones here to be selfish, uncaring, woman hating bigots.  My youngest is divorced cause his wife didn't buy his cave man attitude and the older one doesn't keep any woman long.  My oldest one today called me a communist.  I don't consider myself that, rather a progressive.  Progressive, meaning moving ahead, with the times, going towards the future, not living in the past.  Socialist, maybe!

  •  Women vote. (2+ / 0-)
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    Paragryne, Lilredhead

    Every intelligent, self-respecting, informed and thinking woman will vote against the Republicans, however, religious brainwashing is difficult to overcome.

    Regrettably, there remain those "meek" follower class women who have been brainwashed to believe they must be subservient rather than equal to any man, who have been brainwashed to consider only one issue and so they will go to the polls in a religious stupor and cast a vote for a political party that seeks to impose impediments and costs on decisions contrary to those of a dogmatic group of political supporters without whom its true "leadership" would be a permanent minority.  That political party  actually seeks to take away individual liberty and equal right under law with regard to some of the most personal and consequential decisions any human being can make.  It is a political party that, in pursuit of economic tyranny for the greediest of the wealthiest of the investor class, who are the actual owners of the GOP brand,  seeks to do nothing less than deny freedom.

  •  Proposed addition to last paragraph, Egberto - (1+ / 0-)
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    raspberryberet

    ... And if women do not show up at the polls in greater numbers this November than they did in 2010, they will have nobody to blame but themselves.

    OF COURSE the New Right is wrong - but that doesn't make WRONG the new RIGHT!

    by mstaggerlee on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 02:33:35 PM PDT

  •  Not working (2+ / 0-)
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    raspberryberet, SilentBrook

    Yes, we've had anti discrimination laws on the books that have had virtually no effect because they are weak.  The biggest problem is that employers make it so that if employees discuss what they earn among themselves they can be fired, so women never know if they're paid less then men.  This is the loophole that needs to be closed for an anti pay discrimination law to actually work.  Having done HR for numerous employers I know this is factual first hand.  I also have heard boss' discuss changing a job title so they could hire a woman at less money for the same job.  I also was offered the job that was vacated by my manager but was also required to continue to do my current job, so a two fer for the employer.  Having done the payroll I knew what he made, which I should have been paid, but they gave me a raise calling it a promotional increase and it was nothing more then what I'd received in the past as an annual cost of living increase and I pointed this out but they just smiled.  Well, turned in my letter of resignation.  I was fortunate that this was during a time when it was an employee's market and I could leave a job in the morning and have another that afternoon.  Not the case today, so people shut up and take what they're offered.

  •  The perennial "if" (1+ / 0-)
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    raspberryberet

    "If women begin to vote their interests in waves ..."

    Ah, but they won't, not if the past 30 years is any guide.

    It really seems that, among white Americans at least, almost everyone except the very wealthy has forgotten the whole concept of voting our interests.

  •  Many years ago (1+ / 0-)
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    in another place and time, when gasoline was under a dollar a gallon, I worked for an international company.  BIG.  I didn't know what the rest of the company was doing, but I was treated well.  We had decent medical insurance and, gasp, dental insurance.  I was one of four woman professionals there.
       I had been working, as I was often asked to do, on an unusual job that apparently no one else wanted, or maybe, could do.  I'll never know.  But because I had a degree and made more money than my supervisor, (he was NEVER my boss), I didn't get a raise in 18-20 months.
      Imagine my surprise when the people above us found out.  I got a whopping big raise. (And it took three years but that SOB got so busted for being a pig.)
       Of course there was the time I couldn't go to a woman's management class because there would be no men at it. ????

  •  Paleorepublicans (0+ / 0-)

    10,000 years from now, archeologists who are members of the species Homo sapiens paxamator will be painstakingly excavating layers of rubble and discover the scattered bones and tools of what they eventually determine was an ancient deadend branch of Homo sapiens, called H. sapiens republicanus.

    Just a brief refresh on our specie's evolution:  For unclear reasons, somewhere around 10,000 years ago (+/- 1,000 years), after existing Homo sapiens had branched in several directions, there was a rapid consolidation that unified our species into the current paxamator subspecies and away from others, such as republicanus.  

    Simultaneously (on that cosmic time scale), interpersonal violence dropped sharply as did violence against all other life forms and the earth itself.  What emerged instead was a subspecies that excelled at finding peaceful solutions to threatening conflict, who possessed a radically increased ability to experience the pains of others, and for whom a compassionate, loving response was the most natural of all.  Hence, pax (peace) + amator (loving).  

    Sadly for the republicanus, along with their superpowered Guardians (maximusgreedus), their hearts and rational minds declined in size and effectiveness until they completely died out.

    The current archaeologists are fine tuning their estimate of the date of this remarkable transition.  Currently, the consensus is that it happened sometime sometime between the middle of the first and second century of the third millennium (2050-2150).

  •  equal pay (1+ / 0-)
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    I wonder, had Palin become vice president (shiver) would she have gotten lower pay than the vice presidents preceding her?  Just askin'

  •  Also Chris Christie (1+ / 0-)
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    NJ Governor Chris Christie also tried to save his own sorry ass by throwing Bridget Kelly under the bus for being too emotional. That strategy seems to be blowing up in his face.

  •  From your mouth to God's ear. (0+ / 0-)

    May it be so.

  •  My brother and sister-in-law... (2+ / 0-)
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    Lilredhead, SilentBrook

    take after my dad.  Or should I say, suck up to my dad.  Sorry to say, he's a Republican.

    They're both "born-agains."  As I mentioned in an earlier post, they want everybody to be like them, act like them, think like them, as do many, if not most Republicans.  Their belief in individual rights ends when you are different from them.

    What they, and most Republicans don't seem to understand, is that we Progressives don't have a problem with them being who they want to be.  But at the same time, we also don't have a problem with other individuals being different than they are.  

    For me, the problems always begin because they want to control who I am, and how I think and act.  They want me to be nothing more than a mirror who reflects what they think is a good image back to them, by looking, acting, and being like them.

    As someone mentioned earlier, it's as if they fear anyone who is different, because that means they automatically get a mirrored image back that is different than what they want to see.

    Then what happens is they blame me for the fear they feel, and start trying to change me, trying to get me to give them that mirror image they crave.  When it doesn't happen, there is obviously something wrong with me.  And they deny that it could ever be their problem.

    Denial and blame are the two hallmarks of dysfunctional people, but they don't notice that fact, because they surround themselves with people who share the same dysfunction.  To me, that's what churches do.

  •  While this appeals to reason (2+ / 0-)
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    Lilredhead, SilentBrook

    that is the very reason it will will have no effect upon Republican discourse or planning.  Republicans have since the Nixon administration appealed to fear and its mind-numbing effects rather than reason to win elections and to keep power.

  •  One of the ways (1+ / 0-)
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    starduster

    the GOP is combating the little problem they have with women is by killing them. If you completely bar their access to

    Health care of any kind
    Birth control
    Above-poverty level wages
    Education

    then you can make it all go away. And because women make a larger demographic of the US poor, you can kill two birds with one stone. Dead women can't vote. That's the best bumper-sticker meme I can think of for this group of murderers.

  •  Eric Cantor... (0+ / 0-)

    ...doesn't want to "play politics."

    On losing issues for the GOP.

    Isn't that cute?

  •  Can someone explain (1+ / 0-)
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    starduster

    why white women still vote Republican?  Is it that they are not aware of how the budget cuts affect them? Or do "cultural" issues trump the facts?

    The civil rights, gay rights and women's movements, designed to allow others to reach for power previously grasped only by white men, have made a real difference, and the outlines of 21st century America have emerged. -- Paul West of LA Times

    by LiberalLady on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 07:34:40 PM PDT

    •  I am confounded by two of my very good friends (2+ / 0-)
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      I honestly do not think they pay attention, because when I talk about politics, I do so in a general way--e.g. the congress is considering privatizing Social Security..and I see them react with strong objections. I really want to explain to them politely. I am convinced that they tell themselves they are conservative, whatever that means, and therefore they vote Rep. just because.

      "The devil can quote Scripture to serve his own purposes."

      by SpringHopeCarolina on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 07:40:12 PM PDT

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  •  Milbank an admited repub, SO you know its bad (1+ / 0-)
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    when someone who would normally carry the water for republicans is chastising his fellow republicans publicly

  •  The Divide and Conquer party eventually will re- (1+ / 0-)
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    calibrate. They will give enough wealthy Mikas glass ceiling removal service to have a facade of "women's" rights if they have to. Same way with immigrants. Eventually the Jebs will cut a deal to get or keep power. It will be called the "Upper Class Immigrant Protection Act." Capital does what it needs to do to retain political control and eliminate threats.

    I hate to be a party pooper, but I think the class conflict is paramount. Where sex or sexuality or ethnicity or national origin can be bought off, it will become a cost of doing business.

    garden variety democratic socialist: accepting life's complexity|striving for global stewardship of our soil and other resources to meet everyone's basic needs|being a friend to the weak

    by Galtisalie on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 08:22:21 PM PDT

  •  Where can I get that BUTTON? (0+ / 0-)

    They should be handing these out at all grocery stores across the USA.

    "Compassion is the keen awareness of the interdependence of all things." Thomas Merton

    by createpeace on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 08:55:50 PM PDT

  •  A number of years ago I confronted the pay issue (2+ / 0-)
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    I had originally been hired as a temp and converted to permanent employee at the first professional pay level. In that job at that pay level I trained two new hires coming in at the same pay level.

    Eventually my boss posted a job listing for a new professional in our department in my job category at the next higher pay level. I thought about it awhile and then got mad. I went into his office and said, quite matter of fact:

    "I see you posted a new hire at a pay grade above mine. I'm here to tell you that if you hire someone in at a pay grade above mine and expect me to train them, I'll quit and you can train them yourself, because I've already trained two people for this job."

    Boss had what he thought was an excellent excuse for the posting at a higher grade: he had to post at that level to get a qualified person. I replied, "Well, that's fine but what does it say that you will expect me to train that person? To me it says that I am more qualified than they will be, yet I'd be making less at a lower grade. I repeat, If you do this I will quit."

    He asked me what I expected him to do, and I said, "You give me a raise in pay and grade so that I'm senior to whoever you hire."

    That's what I got.

  •  And... (1+ / 0-)
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    starduster
    "He along with most Republicans continue to put an ideology that believes in a nonexistent market that corrects all wrongs."
    And most Democrats as well.  Find me the leading Democrat that isn't entirely convinced in the absolute superiority of "the free market."  No, Bernie Sanders doesn't count, there's a reason he's not a Democrat and this is precisely it.

    Pay no attention to the upward redistribution of wealth!

    by ActivistGuy on Sun Apr 13, 2014 at 04:08:04 AM PDT

  •  So, as long as my (0+ / 0-)

    white, male co-worker thinks I should get pay equal to his, I'm all set. Thanks, Joe.

  •  Joe Scarborough is a fucking tool. (1+ / 0-)
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    starduster

    The only reason he sucked up to co-host Mika Brzezinski during the show's discussion about equal pay for women was to boost his public image amongst his female viewers by appearing to be fair, open-minded and, most importantly, magnanimous. I found his on-air commentary regarding the equal pay issue to be condescending toward women in general, and toward Mika in particular, and his remarks were a complete sell-out of his misogynistic Republican brethren. He consistently tries to play both sides against the middle on "Morning Joe." One of these days, hopefully sooner rather than later, Mika's going to finally get her fill of Scarborough's conceit and the constant tooting of his own horn, and she's going to just haul off and bitch-slap his smarmy, phony ass right out of his chair. I'd PAY to see THAT!

  •  alienation (0+ / 0-)

    Eh.  Democrats continue to alienate a large portion of women as well. The US shipped out a huge chunk of our working class jobs since the 1980s, and Clinton wiped out poverty relief in the 1990s. For a range of reasons, poverty is primarily a women's issue, here and in a number of other countries. Bill Clinton targeted the poor, giving us George Bush; the poor withheld their votes, and the middle class elected/re-elected Bush. With the latest budget, 89 Dems voted to cut food stamp aid to the elderly, disabled and working poor.  Again.

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