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Begich remains unfazed by Koch barrage against him.
While the Koch brothers are pissing away millions in very early attack ads against Senate Democrats, those Democrats are mostly holding their fire.
But many of the most endangered Democratic incumbents have decided it’s better to wait out the barrage than to respond in-kind.

They’re gambling that it makes far more sense to build a sizable war chest and hold off until closer to the election to engage their opponents in an expensive TV war. The idea: Absorb the ads from the conservative group Americans for Prosperity now and hope some help from their Democratic allies, like the Senate Majority PAC, helps to keep their races competitive. Then, when the time comes, unleash a flurry of attacks that will give them a late bounce and potentially victory come November.

The Democrats’ strategy carries obvious downsides. With the conservative Americans for Prosperity dumping a staggering amount of cash into Senate races early in the cycle, Democrats risk being defined as apologists for President Barack Obama and his health care law before they’ve defined themselves to undecided voters.

It's not a bad strategy. For one thing, the Koch barrage has started so early and has been so ubiquitous voters are eventually going to just tune them out, if they haven't already. Sure, the Republicans base will love them, but it can't be more motivated than it already is. Vicious ad campaigns starting months and months before an election won't grow that base. Particularly when the primary issue is Obamacare and the majority of voters doesn't want to hear about it anymore. As 2012 taught us, spending a gajillion dollars against Democrats doesn't work when you've got flawed candidates who are far, far out of the mainstream.

And as far as the supposed downside of Obamacare goes, Sen. Mark Begich (AK) has an answer for that in his fantastic new ad that says exactly what his vote for Obamacare means in the words of cancer survivor and Alaskan Lisa Keller: "I now have health insurance again, because of Mark Begich. Because he fought the insurance companies so that we no longer have to." All the money in the Kochs' coffers can't defeat that message.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:29 AM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (33+ / 0-)

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

    by Joan McCarter on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:29:36 AM PDT

  •  The strategy does make me nervous, but (17+ / 0-)

    as you note, there is a solid reasoning behind it.

    I think it's definitely not a bad strategy, if every Dem can come up with an ad like Begich's. I mean, that's really what we need to see, an ad featuring someone in every district/state that has benefited from the law, telling their story.

    •  Plus, they're not completely holding their fire (6+ / 0-)

      E.g. Reid's taunting of them, along with some other Dems. I think it's brilliant. One of their greatest weaknesses is their vanity and thin skin. It may well be their greatest weakness, period. In the end this isn't just about money, power or policy. It's ultimately about relevance, and their sense of losing it.

      It's not easy being an endangered species, Assholus Caucasianus.

      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

      by kovie on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:22:33 PM PDT

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      •  I agree Reids stratagy (1+ / 0-)
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        of controversial rebuttal from high profile Dems is the best response. The media is for the most part neither liberal or conservative they do enjoy controversy.

        If we can make the debunking of the lies the AFP are putting on the air high profile, then the media will talk about it, and people can hear the truth.

        No money spent, commercial debunked, Koch money flushed down toilet.

        New Plan: Obamacare Old Plan: Nobodycares

        by groupw on Mon Apr 14, 2014 at 10:51:54 AM PDT

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        •  It only works if we can keep the lie exposure (1+ / 0-)
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          in front of the public, something I'm afraid even the controversy loving media will tire of.

          Sadly, the droning lie in the background becomes the unconscious truth for many. I've been gobsmacked more than once when an otherwise reasonable person spews a right-wing talking point as common fact.

          It's important to respond early and effectively - even better to reveal the liars as fools as often as possible.

          •  One can hope at some point it would develope (0+ / 0-)

            a self sustaining momentum. At some point everyone will just associate AFP with lies, and no further advertising form them will have effect. Of course at that point the Kochs just channel their money into a different shell company.

            But maybe THAT would be controversial enough for a big "Is Prosperity For Americans Superpac just Americans For Prosperity in disguise?" story. :)

            I am counting on Americans being smarter then I worry that they are.

            In any case we could just fix all this with mandatory voting!

             

            New Plan: Obamacare Old Plan: Nobodycares

            by groupw on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 11:21:28 AM PDT

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    •  That's the Kerry swiftboating strategy, (2+ / 0-)
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      absorb the lies and slander, wait until it's too late, then protest weakly that they are lying, all the while, the radical righties are lying with impunity for months and turning public opinion against you.

      I'd rather take a pro-active strategy on day one of the attack.  Prove them liars as soon as the words are out of their mouths, and once proven liars, they will always be perceived as liars, and the public opinion tide will run against the liars.

      Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

      by Ohiodem1 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 03:08:53 PM PDT

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    •  Makes me nervous too (1+ / 0-)
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      But, if they don't have the money, what are they going to do?

  •  I've seen this anti-Obamacare Koch ads and (12+ / 0-)

    they strike me as incredibly "2012" and no longer pack the punch because the policy is proving successful.

    Maybe that's because I pay close attention to the successes Obamacare is having, but I have to think that by Oct/Nov the rest of the country is going to have caught up and have the same thought I am having about these ads - WTF are they talking about? Obamacare is working.

    "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

    by We Shall Overcome on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:43:00 AM PDT

    •  GOP style ads always seem so dated and that has (4+ / 0-)
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      been the case for a long time.  They all seem like they were filmed about 30 or 40 yrs ago.

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      by wishingwell on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:32:03 PM PDT

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    •  The part of the country that only gets (5+ / 0-)

      their news from rightwing sources will not have caught up by the fall.  If anything they'll be even more full of hate for the ACA, because that's what they'll be told to do, even if it's working for some of them.  It's the republican way.

      The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

      by AnnieR on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:47:28 PM PDT

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      •  I don't think the Dems will ever (3+ / 0-)
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        bring those people into the mix.  Not until they experience for themselves how better healthcare coverage can hold off bankruptcy, keep kids covered through college, cover existing conditions, etc..  Those types have to live through it to understand it.  We could never count on their vote to begin with.  Obama didn't get one of their votes.

        1. What does it mean? 2. And then what?

        by alwaysquestion on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 03:08:52 PM PDT

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      •  But it is Obamacare they hate. The ACA provisions (3+ / 0-)
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        are wonderful. So we don't mention Obamacare, and we campaign against the people who want to take away your health care, or won't let you, your family, and your friends have any. It is already happening, as in that Begich ad.

        Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

        by Mokurai on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 05:06:51 PM PDT

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  •  I just don't see how they have any choice (6+ / 0-)

    but to hold off. There is no way Dems will be able to match anywhere near dollar for dollar anymore.

    When Dems realize what the public actually wants, how much farther to the left people would like them to go, and being to adopt those policy positions and run from the heart, the money will little matter. But as long as the distance between them and the oppositions is measured in matters of degree, this money will be difficult to counter effectively.

    In the interim, they should dump dead wood PR and messaging people and hire YOUNG smart new blood. Dems are rurally good sty NOT doing that, however. Obama era is coming to an end. Bring in the new blood.

  •  2010 CA governor's race (4+ / 0-)

    Kind of reminds me of Meg Whitman and her constant barrage of ads against Brown in 2010. He waited until the summer when people would be paying attention before coming out with his ads. Granted, he was a known entity, but even so, by then, most of us had tuned Whitman's noise out...

    Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything. —molly ivins

    by fumie on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:06:46 PM PDT

  •  Something this age of Democrats (4+ / 0-)
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    is very, very good at.

    Keeping their powder dry.

    Absloutely arid in fact.

  •  Whatever. (3+ / 0-)
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    As if Democrats need million-dollar ads to push back against Koch messaging. I read today on Digby that according to one study, the Republican governor's rejection of the Medicaid expansion could lead to 7,000 to 17,000 dead every year.

    Holy shit, I just posted that and it didn't cost me a fucking cent! Imagine what somebody who actually holds a position of power could do with it. Unless you really believe the only way to get the message out is with TV advertisements.

    But hey, let the Koch money run buckwild and don't push back because apparently no one is paying attention. "Not a bad strategy"!

  •  The problem is not the Koch ads. It's the Kochs. (1+ / 0-)
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    Time for a revolution.  

    Think about the baby Jesus. Up in that tower, letting His hair down so that the three wise men could climb up and spin the dreidle and see if there's six more weeks of winter. -- Will and Grace

    by Rikon Snow on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:12:29 PM PDT

  •  A key point to the Begich ad (3+ / 0-)
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    It portrays the insurance companies as evil.

    I've watched as the right has "demonized" people and organizations over and over.

    The insurance companies have been sitting ducks for demonization for decades. Because they ARE demons.

    And this ad FINALLY does that. It communicates how Affordable Care has thrown a choker collar over the neck of the insurance demons. In doing that everyday people benefit.

    Personally, I'd like to see the insurance demons relegated to history but Affordable Care is the best we have now.

    Trumpet the good points of Affordable Care and portray the Insurance Cabal as what they truly are - demons.

  •  I like aggressive campaigns that can get (1+ / 0-)
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    out early and define the opponent.  However, that doesn't really work so well when the opponent already has name recognition and some reputation.

    Obamacare has been discussed in all kinds of media by now and it seems to me that the Koch's have little power to change minds at this point.  Also it provides plenty of time for the counterattacks via debunking at Media Matters and other watchdogs.

    Some powerful messages like the Begich ad closer to election makes a little more sense in this context (as if Dems had a choice given they have fewer funds).  Attacking on individual features like the Begich ad also make sense.  Anybody 40 or older has been living and working with "pre-existing conditions" hanging over them for a long time.  Blasting out the message of that oppressive phrase now being gone thanks to Obamacare makes a  powerful point IMO.

    Personally, I never expected that phrase to ever go away in my lifetime.  20 years from now it will rarely come up and most younger people will never learn it existed.  Well, except for the "back in my day" speeches of course:

    I'm not liberal. I'm actually just anti-evil, OK? - Elon James White

    by Satya1 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:19:20 PM PDT

  •  It's a little like Obama's smart approach to Putin (2+ / 0-)
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    (See, people, I don't hate everyone Obama does!)

    That is, don't take the bait and fight them on their own terms. Wait them out, let them expend their ammo, burn bridges and put themselves in a corner. And THEN attack them. Like Putin, the Kochs, our American oligarchs, are scared and acting out of weakness, not strength. They see the future and it doesn't include them, and they're reacting with increasing desperation.

    Heh, remember when Bush tried to privatize Social Security?

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:19:36 PM PDT

  •  At this point (4+ / 0-)

    the cognitive dissonance between the Kochs' anti-Obamacare attack ads and people's actual experiences with the ACA (as opposed to 2012 or especially 2010, when most people didn't really know that much about the law) means that there's a fairly good chance the ads will backfire on the Kochs and their minions.

    Essentially, it would be akin to telling senior citizens that Medicare and Social Security are bad.  Oh, wait, you mean they're pretty much doing that too?

    29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:19:59 PM PDT

  •  Right now (1+ / 0-)
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    I would just put out some character adds. Positive stuff. The demonization is so over the top, the number of adds against Haggan in NC is so abusive people must be just sick of it, that just presenting a working for the people type of adds with some testimonials will work well.

    Wait until the end of Summer to bring the negatives, wait until people have been using O'care for a while and then pound on that. HE IS TAKING AWAY YOUR O'CARE IF HE WINDS. YOUR MEDIARE. YOUR MEDICAID

  •  The Kook brothers..... (1+ / 0-)
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  •  This might be a plus too... (1+ / 0-)
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    The fact that even though the Kochs' have sent out their barrage early, much of what they've sent out are ads that full of shit--every legit fact checker out there backs that up. When the Dems do answer back, wouldn't it be easy to tie all that deception to the candidates themselves who've taken money from the Kochs' and who the Koch Bros have spent millions on their behalf.

    Why not simply choke them on their own bullshit?

  •  They don't have anyone to run against yet (3+ / 0-)
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    The Koch bros can put out negative ads against incumbent Democrats because they are the candidate the Republican will face in the fall.

    The incumbent Democrats aren't "keeping their powder dry" or whatever. This isn't some savvy strategy to rope-a-dope the Kochs. There's no one for the incumbent dems to shoot at yet, so they're not shooting.

    The Kochs aren't in the game; they're the drunk guy shouting obscenities from the stands.

  •  the best Dem strategy is to wait (1+ / 0-)
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    until general election cycle them spend a lot on good positive ads. there will be ore good news for Obamacare then too.

  •  Being "unfazed" is the wrong response (1+ / 0-)
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    Not that they should get jumpy and spend all their money too soon against an opponent with limitless money.  But they shouldn't be passive about it either.  Democrats should be screaming bloody murder about Koch money.   Make it THE issue so the press will talk about it more.  Use their money against them.  If a candidate in your state is benefitting from Koch money, talk about nothing else for a while so it defines them and forces them to run away from them.  You don't have to spend advertising cash on it.  Just talk about it like the scandal it is.  

    When truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

    by Sun dog on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:36:49 PM PDT

  •  Waiting for months to counterattack is a (2+ / 0-)
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    strategy for the passive and spineless.  Fully expected from this lot.  

    So the Koch's repeatedly instill the message to the masses - like anyone who knows next to nothing about marketing will tell you is critical to getting your message out - while the very smart Dems sit on their hands and expect that a last minute rebuttal will work.  Simply fools.  

    Can anyone imagine a Repub not counter-punching immediately when attacked?  And the Dems complain they are seen as weak.  Well, what do you expect when they act weak?

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:39:23 PM PDT

    •  If the discourse were between two (0+ / 0-)

      level-headed and sane parties, then maybe waiting isn't advised.  But really, the Kochs and repubs in general are getting absolutely beyond what most people can take in and not feel repulsed by it all.  Plus, they have a great deal more money.  Kochs can just keep throwing more money at a faster and faster pace and effectively force the dems to empty their coffers with no ammo left for the actual campaign season.  We have 8 months to go!  We have less money and fewer big pockets to pick so we have to work that into the plan.

      1. What does it mean? 2. And then what?

      by alwaysquestion on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:54:46 PM PDT

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      •  Funny thing about Senators and Congresspeople - (1+ / 0-)
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        they can make news and get media attention without spending money.  They can make a stink about what has been said about them to the media and the more offended they are, the more attention they will get.  It's not about the money, imo, it's about being chickenshit wimps who don't like to fight.  You know, the pointy-headed liberals that Agnew talked about.  Why did that stick?  Because there was some truth to it then.  Now, unfortunately, it's generally true.

        The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

        by accumbens on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 03:20:58 PM PDT

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      •  What are you basing this on? (0+ / 0-)
        the Kochs and repubs in general are getting absolutely beyond what most people can take in and not feel repulsed by it all.

        New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

        by AlexDrew on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 04:10:09 PM PDT

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        •  Though I do chat with men, I more often (0+ / 0-)

          talk with women.  In the last 25 years, the conversations have really shifted from a place of benefit-of-the-doubt to an outright distrust of republican candidates concerning women's reproductive rights and other things women are focused on.  For here in MI, I think one of the things to wake women up was when DeVos ran against Granholm and the debate showed just how anti-female the Republican party had shifted.  It is just as repulsive to a segment of republican women who vote the financial issues as it is to women who vote the social issues to hear a politician talk about the lady parts as if they had a say.  

          Women speak far more openly about issues and share a great deal, even to women they've never met, than they will in public or mixed company.  MI was about a 50-50 state, but DeVos was so repulsive that he only got 42% of the vote.

          I don't hear any benefit of the doubt speech anymore.

          1. What does it mean? 2. And then what?

          by alwaysquestion on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 04:48:14 PM PDT

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  •  I would like to see far shorter (0+ / 0-)

    campaigns, personally.  I think it goes too long and people start to hate both sides for the interuptions.  So if the Kochs was to burn through money, let them.  I think our side needs to think smarter for the money.  The Begich ad is absolute perfection.  Short.  Positive.   Real life.  Gives a feeling of absolute relief in not having to deal with health insurance companies.  Perfect.

    I was speaking with a group of women today.  A mix of dems, reps, and independent/nonpolitical....every single woman down to the last count had problems in the past with getting their health insurance to cover a bill at some point in their lives.  They spent time on the phone, talking to help desks and then the supervisors and sometimes repeat calls....a real hate builds up after awhile for the insurance industry.  Imagine my surprise when I said I would just rather have no insurance companies at all and just have everyone's bills get paid by one agency at a reduced rate and they ALL agreed.  Of course, none worked for the industry, so there's that.  But republicans are willing to throw one of theirs under the bus when it serves them.

    1. What does it mean? 2. And then what?

    by alwaysquestion on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:40:23 PM PDT

    •  We love us some strawmen/women, don't we? (0+ / 0-)

      New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

      by AlexDrew on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 04:12:02 PM PDT

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      •  Just relaying a conversation (0+ / 0-)

        is all.  Would love to see polling, of course.  I well imagine you have many conversations with people and can get a feel for yourself.

        Peace and joy to you and yours.

        1. What does it mean? 2. And then what?

        by alwaysquestion on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 04:53:30 PM PDT

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  •  Mostly, it's fire back, after John Kerry would (1+ / 0-)
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    not fire back when hit; especially, by slander like saying he was not an honerable war vet.  He needed to get angry about that, but like Obama, he stays in reason and avoids excess emotion. his patrician background said fight another day--in his case too late, they say, to win the presidency.  And think about all the money the Heinz-Kerrys have in the family, gee, couldn't they have gotten off some soft, tasteful barbs against slurs, spites and lies constructed of wholecloth?

    Not answering certain thngs, then, is a fatal mistake and you do not want to run for public office in America where politics is not quite deadly, but not all together sane either.

    •  Yeah, I agree about Kerry, and would say (0+ / 0-)

      Gore also did the same as Kerry in that he stayed a gentleman throughout.  Republicans changed the game of politics in that all lies all the time is their MO and Gore and Kerry believed people would not buy it.  They were wrong then.

      But I also think the people watching the game have evolved and get really sick of it.  Add to that the experience of having healthcare that doesn't have caps, pre-existing conditions and kids stay on til age 26, and I think the public will start to see the lies and shy away from it.

      In addition, Pubs aren't messaging what they are FOR, only what they are against: Obamacare.  That one tune band just don't keep an audience.

      1. What does it mean? 2. And then what?

      by alwaysquestion on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 03:02:38 PM PDT

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  •  What do the Koch brothers have against (1+ / 0-)
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    us having health insurance?  I don't understand.  How is this hurting them?  They should put some of their money into the insurance industry.  That just may stop their attacks.  But it's still baffling.

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:46:04 PM PDT

    •  It started when F. A. Hayek denounced the UK (2+ / 0-)
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      National Health Service proposal in The Road to Serfdom, published in 1944. Being unable to distinguish between Stalinist, Communist, Socialist, or Social Democratic political parties or programs, he claimed that the NHS would inevitably lead to a totally centrally-planned economy, which would inevitably turn into Stalinism.

      This became an article of faith among anti-Communist and Market Fundamentalist Conservatives, and especially among John Birchers like the Koch brothers' father, a cofounder and major funder of the Society.

      In the best tradition of Cognitive Dissonance, as laid out in When Prophecy Fails (Leon Festinger et al.), whenever this prophecy fails, they double and triple down on it. You might think that facts would penetrate after 70 years, but you would be wrong.

      However, the time when Republicans could recruit Southern Democrats, then the Religious Right, then Reagan Democrats to the cause has come to an end. The Tea Parties will not allow them to recruit anybody else, and is instead viciously chasing the alleged RINOs out of the movement. Millions of the children of these various rightwing factions fall away each year. Like a massive star running out of fuel, there is no force in nature that can prevent their implosion and explosion, distributing much of their content across space and time, leaving behind only a burnt-out cinder.

      Don't stand too close.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 05:32:14 PM PDT

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      •  Hope you're right. (0+ / 0-)

        We don't progress, in any way, as a democracy, with these people at the helm.  And frankly I'm sick of living by their rules; that whole take from the poor and give to the rich theme we see so frequently with the right.  It's sickening how little they care for their fellow humans.

        The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

        by AnnieR on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 02:51:15 PM PDT

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  •  There are those who are ANTI-anything and (1+ / 0-)
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    everything on the "other side", just because they are ANTI- at heart, so to speak.  No matter what it be, whether or not it works, how much improvement over the past it shows, etc., etc., these people will loudly clamor AGAINST IT.  Among the more prominent of those today, one finds the Koch Brothers - and a rather goodly portion of the rest of the Teabaghead/Republican Party as well, unfortunately.

    These people are, always, "all fired up" over something.  And, they hurl their ANTI- feelings, and positions, at the rest of the world, regardless of whether or not such have even the slightest congruence with REALITY and or TRUTH.  In doing so, they ultimately manage to vitiate whatever grain of fundamental fact, or basis, there might be to their argument/position, at great expense by way of media costs, among other waste of time, effort, and energy.

    Fighting them by using their own tactics - i.e., fuss, furor, trash talk, etc., - is useless; and merely contributes more waste of time, effort, energy, and funds to the whole brouhaha.  Which makes political campaigns somewhat nauseating all round as time goes by.

    Letting the other guy "tilt with windmills", while saving up one's own resources for a hard, fast, knockout punch at the end, makes much more sense than today's constant rounds of "attack ads" designed to do nothing more than vent all the ANTI- venom and spleen the windmill tilters have stored up over time.  

    One can only hope the Democrats see the sense in waiting, patiently; and then throwing the knockout punch when the windmill tilters have come to exhaust their resources with their futile and foolish ANTI-ism.

  •  they want to blow their money telling people (1+ / 0-)
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    that they should NOT get/have/deserve the health insurance they now have...please proceed....

    Earth: Mostly harmless ~ The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (revised entry)

    by yawnimawke on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 03:17:11 PM PDT

  •  There's a certain comfort in knowing (1+ / 0-)
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    that, sooner or later, as the ACA continues to roll down the tracks, the Kochs and all their deviant little sub-Kochs will find themselves taking a hard, very expensive piss right into a gale-force headwind.

    Let your imaginations wander...

  •  Summer Ads Play To Fox News Shut-Ins (1+ / 0-)
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    Most of those ads playing through the summer are going to reach the Fox News GOP base of elderly people with basic cable.  They are largely unreachable.

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 03:47:54 PM PDT

  •  Way to go, Sen. Begich. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Holding off before responding to Koch barrage (1+ / 0-)
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    The risk in that strategy is that the Kochs/AFP/etc. will define the Democrats at risk before they can define themselves. This happened with Romney in 2012, when he laid back (for financial reasons). OFA defined him down quite successfully.

    On the other hand, these are incumbent Democrats, so maybe it will be harder to define them down then it was to tarnish Romney, who was still somewhat of an unknown.

  •  It's all about ACA n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    "If you wish to hide your character, do not play golf." - Percy Boomer

    by pinhighin2 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 04:38:31 PM PDT

  •  The dems are hoping (1+ / 0-)
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    that Koch will throw some of that money their way.  ;)

    The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

    by dfarrah on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 05:24:22 PM PDT

    •  Having just shed some Blue Dogs, (0+ / 0-)

      it is my hope we keep corporation cash away from the party for as much as we can.  That means more of us digging in and volunteering to lower campaign costs, and tossing coins in the pot whenever we are able.

      Corporations really don't care which party they own, so long as that party is in control and gives them what they pay for.

      1. What does it mean? 2. And then what?

      by alwaysquestion on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 06:44:54 PM PDT

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  •  Now's the time ... (0+ / 0-)

    With the passing of each day, more and more good news is had regarding the ACA - proudly known as ObamaCare. Seize the moment - ride the wave - the ACA is here to stay - gets better all the time - and Republicans, along with their Tea Party and Libertarian allies, are now regrouping seeking new and even more desperate ways to demonize it.

    How sad - to see the once honorable political GOP in its own state of self imposed politi-cide.  

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