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Fingerprinting, criminal background checks and licensing, and all it needs is Jan Brewer's signature. Oh, there'd be an armed revolt in Phoenix most likely, if that were really the case.

It's true that the lege passed a background check law. What's so dangerous here in Arizona? Healthcare, of course! And the lucky recipients of the new law, should governor Brewer sign it, are the navigators and counselors for the Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare.

Meanwhile, Arizona Republicans continue to pass ridiculous laws concerning actually dangerous guns, like allowing gun enthusiasts to take their pets into gov't buildings as long as strict security measures aren't in place. Now, take a wild guess how strict the security is where the Republicans work.

So, there's Republicans declaring what they find dangerous, which is to say, people getting health insurance...

http://www.azcentral.com/...

House Bill 2508, which awaits Gov. Jan Brewer's signature, requires navigators and certified applications counselors to submit fingerprints for a criminal background check. And like health-insurance brokers, navigators and counselors must secure a license from the Arizona Department of Insurance.
As an added bonus layer of hypocrisy, they're taking a valiant stand for needless government bureaucracy, since these healthcare facilitating types already undergo background checks from the organizations they go to work for. So, we know Republicans can find gratuitous regulation, that does nothing but bog down the system, that even they can love. Well, it's not as if they really stand for the principles they claim to. The AZ Republic interviewed Tara McCollum Plese, of the Arizona Alliance for Community Health Centers, about it.
McCollum Plese said her organization and others who employ navigators and counselors already require they pass background checks before starting, so she believes the legislation adds another layer of bureaucracy.

"This seems to be very duplicative," McCollum Plese said. "These organizations (that employ navigators and counselors) already have very stringent privacy concerns and procedures. This just adds another layer to what we already have in place."

So, Obamacare, dangerous. Not so much? Guns. The legislature has been busy, and four new bills have nearly made it to the governor's desk.

https://news.azpm.org/...

The bills allow concealed carry permit holders to take guns into government buildings that don't have strict security measures, ban municipalities from restricting the discharge of firearms on private property and punish cities and towns that enact gun ordinances stricter than the state's own laws.

Another bill allows law enforcement to charge someone who wrests a gun from another person's hands with aggravated assault, even though it is already a felony offense to take someone's gun.

Is it a reversal of the typical Republican obsession over local control for them to attack cities and towns for passing laws more strict than the state's? Perhaps they take the notion of "state's rights" that literally. Could be just that guns trump Republican principles. If they can be said to be principles at all.

Just another day in Arizona, where healthcare seems to be more dangerous than a gun. For Republicans, in a way, I suppose it is. As usual, the legislative session can't end soon enough.

Originally posted to The Tytalan Way on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 05:00 AM PDT.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA, Baja Arizona Kossacks, and Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA).

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  •  Tip Jar (26+ / 0-)

    The Stand Your Ground defense is like bleach. It works miracles for whites, but it will ruin your colors. -- Jessica Williams on The Daily Show

    by tytalus on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 05:00:15 AM PDT

  •  I read your title (6+ / 0-)

    and thought "you gotta be kidding."

    Actually a much stronger thought, but we will leave it at you gotta be kidding.

    Now I understand...

    I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

    by Wayward Wind on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 05:05:20 AM PDT

  •  Will the state be issuing helmets and body armor (12+ / 0-)

    everyone for New Years and the 4th?

    Since cities can't restrict the stupid practice of firing into the air?

    •  I figure they should be issuing blanks (6+ / 0-)

      to anyone who can't resist firing off their piece in celebration.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 05:23:24 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  They should just make it a law you have to fire (6+ / 0-)

      perfectly straight up into the air. And then hold very still for a minute.

    •  A. It's a state Felony to shoot into the air (1+ / 0-)
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      PSzymeczek

      B. It's something that just doesn't happen very often here....I can't remember the last holiday I heard gunfire...Not New Years, not the 4th It just isn't done here......And I live in a rural area where if it was happening it would.....Every year I say I'm going to load up some 12 gauge blanks but never get around to it.....

      And contrary to the diarists idea, state preemption is a good thing....no way in hell should the laws differ on such basic things as self defense between 2 cities in the same state or between city and county.....And considering our Constitution flat states we can carry for defense of self or state,  That's why open carry has always been legal here even when concealed was not.....

      •  In Phoenix it sounds like a war zone (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        PSzymeczek, Glen The Plumber

        At least in the 90's. They would put the deaths on the news to no avail.

      •  State preemption, a false principle (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Glen The Plumber

        When you have an argument regarding state preemption let me know, because all you've got so far is 'no way in hell' in defense of the weakest gun laws you can get.

        And yet, when states pass stronger gun laws and the local wannabe cowboys cry defiance; when the state officials want to pass laws to say they can ignore federal preemption; where is the gun lobby patiently arguing against them on principle?  :)

        Seems like the common element in the gun enthusiast's argument is the lowest common denominator on gun laws, not 'state preemption' as a principled stand. Better luck next time.

        The Stand Your Ground defense is like bleach. It works miracles for whites, but it will ruin your colors. -- Jessica Williams on The Daily Show

        by tytalus on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 03:00:43 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  so crossing the street in the same state should (1+ / 0-)
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          Kasoru

          result in different gun laws?

          when our state Constitution is unambiguous on the subject?

          Arizona:  The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the State shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain, or employ an armed body of men.  Art. II, § 26 (enacted 1912).
          Seems to me the onus is on you to state why a city should be able to say it's law is more important than state law considering the wording of our state constitution..."Shall not be impaired" is pretty basic and understandable and the laws voided by state preemption most definitely "impaired" my right to self defense

          Now, anywhere I go in the state, I have to know the same law...not some ridiculous pastiche of laws concocted by every little jurisdiction that could easily have the effect of making what is legal on one side of the street, a felony on the other....

          Rain here is that way, we don't need our law to follow....

          State Preemption was one of the few good things to come out of our republic leg in a while.

          Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
          I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
          Emiliano Zapata

          by buddabelly on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 03:40:46 PM PDT

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          •  Gun sense, as opposed to 'common' sense (0+ / 0-)

            http://smartgunlaws.org/...

            Arizona courts have held that the constitutional right to “bear arms” is qualified and subject to reasonable regulation by the state in its exercise of police power. In Dano v. Collins, the Arizona Court of Appeals rejected an article II, § 26 challenge to a state statute, Arizona Revised Statutes § 13-3102(A)(1), (2), which at that time prohibited the carrying of concealed weapons.1 The court noted that article II, § 26 does not grant “an absolute right to bear arms under all situations,” and emphasized that an individual’s right to bear arms in self-defense must be balanced with the state’s duty, under its police power, to make reasonable regulations to protect the health, safety and welfare of its citizens.2
            There is room even in AZ for reasonable regulation, as settled via the courts. But I like how you tried to make it sound like AZ is or ought to be a lawless free-fire zone. We're not there yet.

            The Stand Your Ground defense is like bleach. It works miracles for whites, but it will ruin your colors. -- Jessica Williams on The Daily Show

            by tytalus on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 12:15:21 AM PDT

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            •  No, I make Az sound like a place where a lot of (0+ / 0-)

              people legally own and carry guns with very few problems compared to many other common household items.....

              And I make our constitution sound like what it states...

              That cite of yours is pre concealed carry and I have never advocated for no regulation of firearms...to be honest they are very heavily regulated now as you well know and there's not much I'd change...minor stuff.... like felon restrictions to violent crime restrictions and remove ridiculous restrictions on suppressors and the barrel length of shotguns and rifles....full auto I would keep on the registry but would reopen the registry  so they aren't just rich people toys instead of something an average citizen could afford with a little saving.

              If I saw some of those common sense ideas enacted, I'd be a lot more willing to help with things like uBCks if done right of course and I've already laid out a privacy protecting background ck method that would work for both as it is a good ck and there's not even a possibility of registration.
              beyond this person passed so they might have one.....

              otherwise, I see no reason to hep cost my buddies and I the ridiculous sums shops start to charge when they are allowed and it's mandated so that basically the same set of rifles can move through the same set of 10 - 15 safes as we trade back and forth or someone buys a new one, realizes it isn't for them and then a new one enters the rotation...

              I haven't sold a gun in many many years...I have given 2 away in the last 10 years, one to my Daughter and one to my Ex.....should that have cost me a 100 bucks to give my adult daughter a pistol for protection when she moved into her first Apartment of her own, no roommate, no old man, nothing but her and my grandson...... or my ex the same seeing as she moved to the real middle of nowhere when we broke up?  I don't think so....And yes they have safes, quick access keypad combination pistol safes....comes with the gun when I give one away....probably won't stop a determined thief but neither will my big plate steel and cement safe if they're truly motivated and have tools though with my tricksey placement, they can't really attack it's vulnerabilities and if they start beating on it, the relockers pop and nothing short of a locksmith will get it open again...Both will dissuade the average bozo and will definitely keep g-son out of it until he's old enough to learn...still a few years away.....I already have his first, a Stevens Ranger single shot 22 from the early 30's, freshly redone and shoots like a champ....and old style high quality craftsmanship.....If he shows real aptitude I'll give him the pristine Winchester single shot .22 with the walnut stock and pristine metal and wood..pre ww2 but also pre serial numbers on 22 rifles so that's as close as I can date it. But what a tackdriver with ammo it likes.......and showroom pretty.   All my trainees learn on single shot rifles so there's no possibility of error with a semi auto like occasionally does happen...They don't advance to revolver or a semi like a 10-22 until they've proven themselves for quite a while with the single shots...

              Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
              I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
              Emiliano Zapata

              by buddabelly on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 03:59:51 PM PDT

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        •  speaking of rain, there's an honest to god thunder (0+ / 0-)

          storm brewing over the Arivaca area and headed my way!

          Rain in April, in Tucson....man this has been a weird few years for the weather...in the last couple days it's spat twice and this one is dumping where ever it actually is between me and the border...seems like it might pass just east of me but with luck I get some...save me from having to water all the trees which was just about to be needed...

          Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
          I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
          Emiliano Zapata

          by buddabelly on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 06:48:07 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  It must be something in the water, or the sun (3+ / 0-)

    I know a guy in who moved to the Tucson area from Boston to improve his chances on his career track. In a few years he went from being a typical nerdy looking East Coast academic type to looking like a character from a Robert Rodriguez movie.

  •  Voting is more dangerous also nt (6+ / 0-)

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 05:27:46 AM PDT

  •  IIRC, doesn't AZ already top the list of states (8+ / 0-)

    where the number of gunshot deaths already exceeds the number of deaths due to motor vehicle crashes, annually?

    And so now they continue to soften their laws affecting gun safety?

    Is this some kind of convoluted effort toward population control?

  •  So is it the voters - or the corruption? (4+ / 0-)

    So healthcare is dangerous and guns are a necessary protection.

    This seems backwards to me, but the voters in Arizona keep electing people to make this into law.

    So I guess this is what the people of Arizona want.  After all, they repeatedly vote for it.  Maybe the voters in Arizona are made soft in the head by all that sun.

    Or maybe it's the corruption.  Maybe what happens is the Arizona voters put into office law-makers who are already corrupted by the need to ask for gifts of private money for the act of simply running for public office.  Maybe what happens is that everyone whose names appear on the ballot - Republican or Democrat, left or right, man or woman - is already enmeshed in a process that is inherently corrupted by the requirement to raise money to run for office.

    Nah - let's just blame the soft-in-the-head Arizona voters.  Because if it is not the Arizona voters' fault, that means the same process is going on where we live, and our legislature might pass similar laws.  

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 06:16:34 AM PDT

  •  OMG ! (7+ / 0-)

    "Another bill allows law enforcement to charge someone who wrests a gun from another person's hands with aggravated assault, even though it is already a felony offense to take someone's gun."

    So the heroes who wrestled the gun away from the person who shot Gabrielle Giffords and the others who were wounded and died that day could have, under this proposed law, been charged with aggravated assault ?

                Seriously ?!
                Heather

    Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

    by Chacounne on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 06:37:37 AM PDT

    •  You got me curious (2+ / 0-)
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      Paragryne, Glen The Plumber

      so I looked up the bill text...

      http://legiscan.com/...

      It's defining aggravated assault, as among other things,

      9.  If the person knowingly takes or attempts to exercise control over any of the following:
      and they're adding this to that list.
      (d)  A PERSON'S FIREARM, WITH THE INTENT TO CAUSE HARM WITH THAT FIREARM, THAT IS LAWFULLY POSSESSED BY THE PERSON IN ACCORDANCE WITH FEDERAL AND STATE LAW.� THIS SUBDIVISION DOES NOT APPLY TO A PEACE OFFICER WHO TAKES OR ATTEMPTS TO EXERCISE CONTROL OVER A PERSON'S FIREARM WHILE THE OFFICER IS ENGAGED IN THE EXECUTION OF ANY OFFICIAL DUTIES OR TO A PERSON WHO IS JUSTIFIED IN USING PHYSICAL FORCE OR DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 4 OF THIS TITLE.
      In this case, I think it's that it's already a felony in the state, and so there was no need for this other than as a sop for the gun lobby crowing about 'gun-grabbers', ginning up confiscation fear. I think the folks who disarmed Jared Loughner would remain defensible.

      The Stand Your Ground defense is like bleach. It works miracles for whites, but it will ruin your colors. -- Jessica Williams on The Daily Show

      by tytalus on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 10:19:00 AM PDT

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  •  But there is no smoking in open carry zones. (6+ / 0-)

    It's not the heat, it's the tea.  My Beloved Oppressors here in AZ only recognize the 2nd amendment as settled law and the only thing the Federal Government has ever gotten right and Cliven Bundy is their new cause.  All other laws are nullified.

    Taking the road less traveled since 1967 .

    by Paragryne on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 08:02:22 AM PDT

  •  They are shameless! So what if a navigator has a (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Paragryne, Glen The Plumber

    criminal record. Are they gong to hold up a bank with an insurance policy? Or assault little old ladies with a roll of paper?

    "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats ..." - Kenneth Grahame -

    by RonK on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 10:31:09 AM PDT

  •  Federal Matter (2+ / 0-)
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    tytalus, Glen The Plumber

    This illustrates some of the many reasons that most gun issues must be dealt with on a federal level, if the carnage is to be stopped.

    Mandatory Gun Insurance would provide for victims, encourage safety and not be an excessive burden on gun owners. How to do it at Gun Insurance Blog. I also make posts at Huffington as Tom Harvey.

    by guninsuranceblog on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 02:18:20 PM PDT

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