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In case you haven't heard about cattle rancher Cliven Bundy in Nevada, he's the guy who has become the latest anti-gub'mint celebrity for the libertarian gun crowd.  Ol' Cliven Bundy and I have a lot in common.  Really!  Both our families homesteaded in the West and started cattle ranches.

The only difference is that for the past twenty years or so, Bundy has refused to pay grazing fees for grazing his cattle herds on public Bureau of Land Management land.  (You know, that land that belongs to every person in the United States.)  He's taking a stand against those invasive government regulations that charge him a whopping $1.35 a month per cow (and calves) if they use public lands.

Now Bundy and his pals are calling the anti-government militia types to his side to keep him from having to pay past due grazing fees, not to mention stop grazing his cattle on protected land.  (Say hello, desert tortoise.)  There are so many issues rolled into this, it seems only fitting to set it to "Home on the Range."  Enjoy the cartoon, and enjoy our public lands!  (You can find more links to stories behind this cartoon on my website.)

[Cliven Bundy, to "Home on the Range"]

Oh give me a home,
Where mah' cattle can roam.
Fer free, while others must pay.
Where now all that's heard,
Are encouraging words--
For militias arriving today.

Home, home on the range,
Where FoxNews and Hannity play.
Where the right-wing is heard,
And the gun nuts are stirred,
Getting crazier each broadcast day.

Now thanks to the right,
Public land is a blight,
You can really just take it by force.
We're loaded and locked,
I'm a rancher half-cocked,
My rights they exceed those of yours.

Now sometimes at night,
When the cable glows bright,
I think 'bout the wild creatures, too.
But that's gone in a burst,
Private sector is first.
Take your laws and your rules and screw you.

Home, home on the range,
Where FoxNews and Hannity play.
Where the right-wing is heard,
And the gun nuts are stirred,
Getting crazier each broadcast day.

Originally posted to Comics on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 06:50 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  How do we Americans keep from using our vast (2+ / 0-)
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    hnichols, Puddytat

    stores of guns on each other, but then again we are Americans and it is our right to kill.

    •  It is NOT "our right" to point guns at law ... (9+ / 0-)

      ... enforcement. Not under any circumstances.

      Fortunately, law officers on the scene at the Bundy spread were more sensible than those Yokels of the Militias brandishing heavy weapons.

      These folks were not a well-regulated militia. And when they point their guns of LEOs and civilians, they willfully and recklessly endanger themselves and others. They depend on the judgment of people more restrained than they are, even when they don't deserve it.

      2014 is HERE. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

      by TRPChicago on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 07:19:24 AM PDT

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      •  I hope this can be resolved without recourse to (4+ / 0-)
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        cocinero, hnichols, Piren, Janet 707

        gun use.  No it is not a right to aim a gun at law enforcement, but it seems like many people think that guns and gun use to kill is a right.  

      •  They should be arrested and prosecuted. (4+ / 0-)
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        Pinto Pony, hnichols, dewtx, Janet 707

        Any one who pointed a gun at a LEO should be arrested at a later opportunity -- surprise them at home or work. There should be enough video evidence to get a conviction.

        •  Jail time? (7+ / 0-)

          My point exactly...... Bigot Bundy & family & the Monkey Militia should have some consequences for breaking the law......for aiming guns at the Feds..dont know why the BLM sat on their hands or 20 yrs..... BUT the past due notice is in the mail.... and as a land owner, I am ready to collect......

          They should also be charged with endangering women & kids, mostly kids.... the adult women should go to jail... his wife or daug, whatever her ass is to him......

          What hero's.....what patriots..... Women & kids stand in front so if there is any shooting, they will be the first to fall...... OMG  ...couldnt believe that statment....

          •  I've got to say it (2+ / 0-)

            I'm sorry...I'm sorry...I'm a woman and I hate...hate...hate...the phrase "women and children!"  Why should I be lumped into the helpless bunch?  I am not, nor have I ever been helpless.  Any woman stupid enough to let a man stand her in front of a gun to make a point deserves what she gets!

            •  I agree with you alabamajp! (0+ / 0-)

              And since I'm too late to comment on tonigirl comments, I'll have to do it here.

              Seems to me that tonigirl is part of the unorganized, treasonous, imbecilic haters of our great nation that would not only put her life but the life of her child in danger of being shot for something she, in her young stupidity filled life, has NO clue about!

              I'm sure that her deranged husband has filled her life with "romanticism, love, gifts of gratitude, (i.e. guns) and babies to brainwash". And I want to state here that any god fearing woman on this earth would NEVER put her child in harm's way. S'cuse me while I choke. IT'S IN THEIR BIBLE!!!

              I understand the ups and downs of this country but I've been around long enough to understand that when we DON'T let this shit continue, we live in a MUCH more civilized and peaceful country.

              I guess the "easy, common sense sanity" DOES NOT WORK for the insane!

        •  There is enough video evidence (1+ / 2-)
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          wilywascal, Wynter

          The problem is that The Bureau of Land Management doesn't want the WHOLE video shown because The New York Times edited it to show that Bundy started this; when, in fact, the BLM provoked it. The LEO’s mentioned here are not government officials, but gunmen hired especially for this event. By the way, Bundy owns the water and forage rights to the land that the BLM is attempting to take from him. His ordeal has been going on for years and has included more American citizens than just him. He just refuses to bend over and take it. One last note on this is that the BLM deliberately waited until this date to harass Bundy because it was calving season. They knew there were a lot of one to two week old calves that would have been (and were) killed on this day.

          Look up any search term related to Harry Reid, Rory Reid, Bundy, and China, and you will find the truth; which is these two thieves are involved in efforts with Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert, which includes the land Cliven Bundy’s cattle graze on. Youtube has plenty videos.

          The first major intrusion of China in the U.S. oil and natural gas market can be traced to the Obama administration’s decision in October 2009 to allow Chinese energy giant China Offshore Oil Corporation, or CNOOC, to purchase a multi-million dollar stake in 600,000 acres of South Texas oil and gas fields. Shortly after this, Sinopec Group, China’s largest energy Corporation, started acquiring and operating more and more land and oil and natural gas facilities in the USA.

          On March 6, 2012, the Wall Street Journal compiled a state-by-state list of the $17 billion in oil and natural gas equity interests CNOOC and Sinopec have acquired in the United States since 2010. I’m sure this list is a lot longer by now.

          •    Colorado: CNOOC gained a one-third stake in 800,000 acres in northeast Colorado and southwest Wyoming in a $1.27-billion pact with Chesapeake Energy Corporation.
          •    Louisiana: Sinopec has a one-third interest in 265,000 acres in the Tuscaloosa Marine Shale after a broader $2.5-billion deal with Devon Energy.
          •    Michigan: Sinopec gained a one-third interest in 350,000 acres in a larger $2.5-billion deal with Devon Energy.
          •    Ohio: Sinopec acquired a one-third interest in Devon Energy’s 235,000 Utica Shale acres in a larger $2.5-billion deal.
          •    Oklahoma: Sinopec has a one-third interest in 215,000 acres in a broader $2.5-billion deal with Devon Energy.
          •    Texas: CNOOC acquired a one-third interest in Chesapeake Energy’s 600,000 acres in the Eagle Ford Shale in a $2.16-billion deal.
          •    Wyoming: CNOOC has a one-third stake in northeast Colorado and southeast Wyoming after a $1.27-billion pact with Chesapeake Energy. Sinopec gained a one-third interest in Devon Energy’s 320,000 acres as part of a larger $2.5-billion deal.

          I am neither Democratic nor Republican now, because politicians are only holding office to get rich off our backs. I hope some of you will do more research and find out the truth because the younger generations are the ones who will suffer from this government corruption the most.

          Another thing I would like to ask is if you are aware of the millions of wild animals The Bureau of Land Management has slaughtered to remove them from property they want in order to profit from gas, energy and other companies who want to buy particular parcels of land? They always state that they are only protecting the animals (like they tortoises in this case). How can anyone say that they are protecting any kind of animal when they are killing them? You can find plenty of videos on the animals killed at youtube.

          •  HR for debunked RW talking points (2+ / 0-)
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            I looked at your profile, and according to that, this is your first comment since joining on May 30, 2011. Why now? Why this cartoon? What do you find so pressing about this issue? You say you are not a Democrat, but this site is for Democrats.

            I would respond to debunk these points, but since I'm giving the HR, under site rules I need to leave that to others. And, trust me, I'm sure they will be more than happy to do so.

          •  The video was edited??? (2+ / 0-)
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            aratinga, thanatokephaloides

            tonigirl - you seem like you really care but if you are going to make claims (and wild ones at that), please cite your credible sources.  FOX and it's ilk doesn't count and neither does any other right-wing media source.   A link to the "whole video" would be a good start.  Also, proof of his ownership of the water & forage rights would be helpful.  The only claim to the land I have heard him make is the one about his ancestors settling there in the 1880's.  That does not confer rights to the land or it's resources.

            This Bundy guy is just another right-wing, "I can do whatever I want because I have God & Guns on my side" nut case.    

          •  Total BS young lady (2+ / 0-)
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            aratinga, thanatokephaloides

            Here is a link to some facts to clear up right wing fantasies you have been having.

            If you want to be heard try providing an opinion based on facts not Fox Fiction.

            "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

            by Wynter on Sun Apr 27, 2014 at 09:01:10 AM PDT

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          •  Tonigirl (2+ / 0-)
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            O.K., just for arguments sake, let's say you're correct. Everything we saw on the video was "staged" and Bundy really is the victim here. The issue I have a big problem with is the TEAM of gun nutjobs, the women and children, and the idea that someway, somehow, this issue might be settled out in the desert with GUNS. If this guy is a legitimate Rancher, and I have no reason to believe he isn't, then he should settle this in a court room, a place he has apparently been before. If the information I read was correct, he lost those court battles and was just looking for a different venue to air his differences. We can't all just go get some gun nuts whenever we feel we've been wronged, can we ? ?

          •  Shouldn't you be posting comments on Yahoo, Toni?? (0+ / 0-)

            Fox News and Yahoo web sites are more your speed honey, you are way out of your league here!

        •  Taxes, taxes (0+ / 0-)

          If the BLM forgives his debt and sends him a form 1900-C or 1099-G for millions of forgiven debt, Clive has to pay income tax on that forgiven debt or go to jail.

      •  Put this perspective (1+ / 0-)
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        If cops busted into a crack house and some militia member defended his right to free enterprise, no one is going to complain when the cops take out the whole house

        When a cops tries to pull over a women driving with busted tail light at night, and she waits to pull over until she gets a light parking lot with security cameras, and he shoots her because he thinks she has a gun, very little is going to happen to the cop.

        When a cops tails a black boy to his home in a high end residential area, and shoots him in his own driveway, little is going to happen.

        Yet, somehow, the feds are reluctant to push through an armed crowd who has said they are willing to kill the feds, and even sacrifice the women, and take the cows and sell them to pay back fees.  I mean they have no problem taking a house. I don't think that the militia is going to do much damage against and armored SWAT truck.

        But I guess the difference between the crackhead, the motorist, and the boy going home, is that they do not have Haniyty and Rand defending the crack dealers right to free trade, the women right to safety, and boys family right to live where they wish.  Rather, these wingnuts are defending a single old white person's right to steal from the people of America.

      •  Apparently there is a right (0+ / 0-)

        to point rifles and handguns at LEOs and civilians as long as you are a white right winger. The LEOs completely backed off without any action whatsoever.

        I completely agree that black or white gang bangers would have been killed instantly. If an Occupy Wall Street protestor had pulled even a single handgun there would have been blood in the streets. Well, more blood than there already was. Hell, the police have killed many people who didn't even have a weapon by claiming they thought they saw a weapon or the suspect was "resisting arrest". Hell, they killed an unarmed guy in a Moore, Oklahoma parking lot who had not broken any laws at all simply for failing to show ID. (They suffocated him causing cardiac arrest but hey, he was resisting so it's all good.) It doesn't take much to get killed by police.

        But these idiot right wingers who brandish weapons like they were in Westworld. No problem.

      •  Careful (6+ / 0-)

        Law enforcement is not always right. Reports of police brutality are escalating across the country.

        I am grateful that the law enforcement in this case showed more wisdom and did not start a fire fight.

        •  Agreed! But even if the police are wrong, ... (4+ / 0-)

          ... there is no right to aim a gun at them. Even when wrong, they're allowed to defend themselves and keep their version of the peace at the moment.

          I'm not being pollyanic here. It's just that in a civilized society, no other rule can prevail. The counter proposition is anarchy:
          -  That we can physically oppose law enforcement because we deny their authority. (That's Cliven Bundy's point exactly.)
          -  Or because the cops' judgment in this instance is wrong. (That's probably Hannity's bent, said in different words.)
          -  Or police power is corrupt and they're coming to get our guns. (That would be the militia talking'.)

          Can we tolerate a society where those folks' views justify pointing guns at cops?

          There are ways to get bad cops off the beat short of shooting at them. Maybe not easily in some situations, I grant you, but necessary.

          2014 is HERE. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

          by TRPChicago on Sat Apr 26, 2014 at 12:48:31 PM PDT

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        •  The thing is (9+ / 0-)

          This yayhoo has been avoiding notices and threats to pay up for 20 years! How long would you be sitting defiant if you did that with taxes?

          These guys had guns on them, threatened them, and as any other law enforcement that authorizes them to defend themselves at a show of force. As mother of a kid in enforcement, I wouldn't want him to wait and see if they're gonna kill him first

          If you teach your child only one thing, let it be kindness through example.

          by Nodin on Sat Apr 26, 2014 at 02:40:45 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, you're right. (4+ / 0-)

            The BLM should have come down on this miscreant long before this happened.  With the whole nation watching, law enforcement is now reluctant to act for fear of another Waco, etc.  It wouldn't have gotten to this point if they acted earlier.  Contrary to their popular image, federal land units often hire the local good ol' boys, who are too sympathetic with their friends and neighbors to enforce the law.  As a result, land use policies among jurisdictions  vary widely.  
              Perhaps the best enforcement policy now is to surround the ranch and prevent any traffic onto the land. Bundy's right wing friends in the media and Congress should have vetted this bigot before they jumped on his publicity bandwagon.  When his 15 days of fame are up, his movement will just melt away.  These are working people; they have livestock to care for.  They won't keep this up for long now.

      •  I thought it was down right 'honorable' (6+ / 0-)

        for them to offer to put their women and children first in the line of fire. How gallant!


      •  Next time they serve him papers (3+ / 0-)

        They should be taped to the cannon barrel of an A1 Abrams.

        Stop screwing around with him.

      •  One has the right to keep and bear arms (6+ / 0-)

        One has the right to be in a militia.
        Indeed, if you are between 17-35, you are in the unorganized militia. That is what the selective service is and you, if you are a male, should have registered for it. It is the law.
        Meanwhile, there is an organized militia, it is the National Guard.
        Now, an oddity is that one can have an unorganized militia group, it's not been prohibited and indeed, a prohibition would end up going to the SCOTUS, as one has the right to peaceably assemble. Note the emphasis.
        Now, who commands a militia?
        It has never, ever, ever been under the direction for mobilization purposes, under its own command. A county seat can call out a militia. The state governor may call out a militia. The POTUS can call the militias (all forms of them) in time of national emergency. Congress can call up the militias in any way that they see fit. The "draft", aka selective service is quite literally a mobilization of the unorganized militia in a selective manner.

        Now, let's examine these "militias". They did self-assemble, with no directive given by their county seat or governor. They then proceeded to cross state lines and unpeaceably assemble, threatening the use of lethal force against agents of the US government.
        Another group of men assembled in a similar manner.
        Shay's rebellion. Our Constitution was yet unwritten, the Articles of Confederation were in force. The federal government had no ability to muster troops. The rebellion caused much distress for those attempting to govern the new states, it resulted in courts being shut down, some deaths, general lawlessness. It was a bad scene all around.
        While the reason for the rebellion was a good one, the actual rebellion was excessive and garnered little support for those seeking relief.
        The end result: A strong federal government, with a Constitutional authority to muster forces to suppress rebellion.

        The Whiskey Rebellion. George Washington then called the militia of several states and rode with them, sending them to say hello to the insurrectionists.
        The brave men promptly paid their whiskey tax and shut up.

        Let's look at another one.
        Frie's rebellion. Another tax rebellion.
        The militia was mobilized, federal warrants issued, thirty men went on trial, three leaders convicted for treason and sentenced to be hanged. The POTUS pardoned them, as knowledge of what treason was wasn't well known by the less educated populace and let it be a lesson to those who would follow.
        Few were the rebellions after that.
        Until Cliven's rebellion.

        So, what did these "militias" do? Sedition in the planning and espousal of armed resistance against agents of the federal government. Treason and insurrection for assembling to that purpose and doing so.
        Today, that is not a capital offense. It is only so for military service members and even then, rarely pursued.
        Now, the government is in an unenviable position. Do nothing and it will encourage the nuts with guns. Arrest and prosecute the lot of them for the above crimes will teach the populace that sedition is not protected free speech.
        But then, I advocated for arrests when certain tea party officials openly discussed "second amendment remedies" if they lost an election, thereby attempting to blackmail the entire populace of this nation.
        An act I can never forgive, as I had men preparing to depart on war patrol asking me if I thought  the tea tards actually would pick up their guns.
        I told them no, it was bluster. Well, the junior enlisted. The senior enlisted and some junior officers got more candor.
        If they did, we'd redeploy home and treat them the same way we were treating the Taliban and AQ when they presented themselves armed to us.
        And all agreed with me.

      •  Poseurs in camos (9+ / 0-)

        They were little boys playing soldier, with a few groupies out front to protect them. When the media showed up, they put their video games away, left their paintball gear at home and rushed to the scene like flies to shit. This wacky
         bunch were an assortment of losers with a tenuous attachment to reality, dressed in camouflage and cowboy hat costumes thinking their lives would be changed for the better if they could only see themselves on TV news. If they were really what they pretended to be, these dickless poseurs would have fired on the BLM and withdrawn into the desert to their pre-established base for revolution. No guts-no glory!

      •  New (5+ / 0-)

        Your absolutely right, a well regulated militia would be used to enforce the rule of law not threaten its members. Each of the out laws would be in sever trouble if they had open fired and shot a officer of the BLM.

      •  Research the 2nd Amendment (1+ / 0-)
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        Tho' the 2nd Amendment states that the right of Americans to keep and bear arms is contextualized to "well-ordered militias", the origins of that context are less than noble as well.  Check out Thom Hartmann on Colonial slave patrols.  America per se has never had a decent orientation to firearms.

        •  Well General Washington had his use from them (1+ / 0-)
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          There were several relatively minor revolts where he had to make use of militia which is one of the other reasons given for the drafting of the 2nd. Where the army couldn't serve.

          I wish I had stocks in aluminium these days. All that foil would be a great investment opportunity.

          by Ceri Cat on Sat Apr 26, 2014 at 05:10:04 PM PDT

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    •  We don't (0+ / 0-)

      A dispute at a local soccer game resulted in a shooting here today. Just an example.
      And, some of the morons in our Tennessee legislature proposed throwing out even the carry permit requirement to walk around fully armed.
      Oscar Wilde was correct, "America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between."

      "To succeed in life, you need two things: ignorance and confidence." - Mark Twain

      by CaptainAnalog on Sun Apr 27, 2014 at 08:20:18 PM PDT

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  •  Yee-Haw! /nt (4+ / 0-)
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    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 06:57:42 AM PDT

  •  Going into documentaries, Mark? (4+ / 0-)
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    The line between reality and parody is dissolving.

  •  Bundy and his clan are communists\Cattle Fox! (2+ / 0-)
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    Not meaning to insult all communists by comparing them to Bundy, but seems to me the communist credo "To each according to his wants, to each according to his needs"  is Bundy's and the RWer's justification for Bundy and his friends stealing.

    Since Fox wants the US to allow 1100 cows to trespass on its land, its unfortunate we can't let 1100 fully fed ready to poop cattle spend a week in the NY fox news room.

    They'd get a break from talking S--t and get to spend time cleaning s--t.

    “Everyone is ignorant, only on different subjects.” ― Will Rogers (Of course this also applies to me.)

    by MugWumpBlues on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 07:11:49 AM PDT

  •  We need to be (5+ / 0-)
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    angry and motivated to work against the Bundys. They are not remotely funny.

  •  You can't spell sagebrush without US. n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Came for the politics, stayed for the pooties.

    by DreamyAJ on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 07:19:12 AM PDT

  •  Has anyone noticed... (5+ / 0-)

    the vitriolic right wing rhetoric has diverged from reality at an ever increasing arc for five years? The thing about emotional manipulation, is that it can't stagnate. It MUST be ratcheted upward to convey a sense of growing, and impending threat.
    If Hillary takes the White House, and I hope she does, this thing is going to pop. IF it doesn't before the '16 elections. This is a very dangerous, and stupid game they're playing.

    •  Excellent Point! (0+ / 0-)

      Only, Hillary cannot be the candidate for the Democrats in 2016.  It will be too much of a distraction.  I hope she puts the country first (something I'm not sure the Clintons know how to do) and stays out of the race.

  •  Oppressed By Feds? Local Cops Are Much Deadlier (1+ / 0-)
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    Yes Ruby Ridge was a total clusterfuck (Randy Weaver didn't go to prison and the government paid $3,000,000 dollars).

    But innocent  people are being killed by their local cops every week.  Shot in their own driveway, tasered, beaten, choked to death.  That worries me a lot more than the feds.  Plus the locals are often involved in the drug trade and gun running.   But to the Bundys and their Sovereign Citizen buddies. it's these local  cops who are the ultimate power.

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 07:28:27 AM PDT

  •  Okay, that was sad. (1+ / 0-)
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    And painful. And funny in that "If I don't laugh I'm gonna cry" way. And really, really well done. :-)

  •  Oath Keepers Alliance With Cop Killers (1+ / 0-)
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    The Sovereign Citizens have killed dozens of cops over the years, usually by ambushing them.   Bundy was spouting off about the "Sovereigns" and no doubt the crowd he attracted has lots of Sovereign Citizens.  The Oath Keepers include local sheriffs who agree with their wacky constitutional sheriff theory.  Why does the Oath Keepers embrace cop killers and why are some local sheriffs involved?

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 07:31:38 AM PDT

    •  Oath Keepers (0+ / 0-)

      It's a terrible tragedy that these folks are so deluded. I was trying to research their stance a little and I saw some positive stuff, like opposing the NSA's treachery and properly supporting Snowden as the hero he is. Clearly they are capable of understanding actual treason; why do they then turn around and complain about the part that the government gets right, namely shielding us from corporate terror and providing a much-needed safety net when we've fallen (for example)?

      I find it incredibly sad that years of right-wing corporate treason and propaganda have eroded good people's ability to discern right from wrong and recognize the difference between tyranny and liberty. I mean, I saw a report where these militia guys were all railing against government welfare while receiving unemployment benefits--Orwell's worst nightmare realized. This is a problem of the left's: we must take it upon ourselves to rescue there good people from right-wing treachery and corporate terrorism and show them the truth about what happens when we come together in freedom.

      •  "Three Percenter" Secessionist Gestapo (1+ / 0-)
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        Founded by one of Ron Pauls wackier strategists who are pitching their appeal right to the neoconfedederate black helicopter crowd.

        5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.
        6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
        7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
        8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."
        Mostly they are preying on vulnerable veterans. Vulnerable, lonely people. They are the "three percent" that will take up arms to "defend the constitution."  And of course, nothing makes one a constitutional scholar like joining the Marines at 19.

        Whenever I read the 3 percenter forum they always say "I took an OATH to defend America against all enemies foriegn AND domestic"  And then there is a bunch of guys fantasizing about killing the bad guys, which seems to include any of their neighbors that disagree with them.  When Occupy Wall Street was going on, they were obsessed with these unarmed trespassers.  

        And it's all "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus" in the forums where they are obsessing over killing Americans. More and more I see them talking about a "Just War" where god would sanctify even the most ruthless slaughter of their neighbors.

        And I see this guy is on top of "the Jewish problem."  See, just like Hitler said, it's the Jewish smear machine in action

        Even neoconfederate fantasy players know that you can't rebel without the support of the population without ethnic cleansing and a campaign of serious domestic terror that goes door to door.  I think the crackpot master plan is that the Oath Keepers (especially the local sheriffs) would be the new Gestapo while the "three percenters" would be the death squads.  Pretty much any conservative forum indulges in death squad fantasies.

        And they are infiltrating police departments.  Surprise.

        Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

        by bernardpliers on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 08:24:15 AM PDT

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        •  holy shit (1+ / 0-)
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          I had no idea how wacked out these guys were getting. This is exactly why we need to organize these folks. If anything, it's prevention against fascism. But clearly it's necessary in order to channel legitimate frustration into legitimate rebellion. These guys who hated Occupy are exactly the kind of people who needed to join it.

          •  I have a hard time imagining (0+ / 0-)

            taking these irrational, losing touch with reality, amped-up on conspiracy theories, nut jobs and turning them into compassionate, grounded, rational, reality-based advocates for a more progressive society.

            Really?  We need to organize these folks?  REALLY?

            Understanding is limited by perspective. Perspective is limited by experience. America is a great place to live but it limits our ability to understand.

            by CindyV on Sun Apr 27, 2014 at 12:08:35 PM PDT

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  •  I keep hearing that one guy saying (3+ / 0-)

    that they were going to put the women on the front lines so that the world can see our government killing women.  How sick can you get???

    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 07:32:21 AM PDT

  •  Cliven Bundy... (3+ / 0-) delusional enough to enjoy this song.

    by LazyActivism on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 07:38:13 AM PDT


    I don't know what is different about your videos, but I don't get any sound from them.


    Liberals see George Orwell's 1984 as a cautionary tale. Conservatives see it as a blueprint.

    by DiegoUK on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 07:45:30 AM PDT

  •  A Modest Proposal (0+ / 0-)

    I think Cliven Bundy is a genius. Just think, instead of giving food stamps to Wal-Mart employees, we could just let Wal-Mart graze their employees on Federal lands. And then when they outlive their usefulness? ... well ...

    •  OMG (0+ / 0-)

      ....good thought.....I can picture Walmart actually going for the cost of a bus to transport their underpaid employees.
      Anyone happen to see that business report on Bloomberg which noted the BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS that Walmart steals off the American tax payer?

  •  Cliven Bundy is now Cloven Bundy. (1+ / 0-)
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    On Fahks Nuze: Bundy, Bundy, Bundy.

    "About the Negro...."

    On Fahks Nuze:  mmmmmmmmm.... NO! NO!  Don't you DARE say that name.

    BTW, Rachel gave an excellent history lesson last night, showing clearly the connection between posse comitatus, "sovereign citizens", and - slavery and racism.

    I am become Man, the destroyer of worlds

    by tle on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 07:57:46 AM PDT

  •  Cliven Bundy & His Right-Wing Militia Buddies (2+ / 0-)
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    need a lesson in assault by physical menace, reckless endangerment, aiding and abetting a person to escape punishment for criminal activity, criminal conspiracy, etc.

    Confiscation of all guns and federal prison sentences might help them have an epiphany.   They might recognize the federal government then.

    Thievery by any other name is still thievery (even though Fox Noise and Hannity call it "patriotism".).

    •  Bundy is a hypocrite (0+ / 0-)

      It's rather interesting to note that while claiming to not recognize the United States government, Bundy rode around with an American flag wrapped around his body and also compared himself to the founding fathers.  

      This guy is just a lying, stealing hypocrite.  It's not about state rights - it is about greed, plain and simple.  He doesn't want to cough up the money he LEGITIMATELY owes the US government.  

  •  I'm curious to know what these armed guys (0+ / 0-)

    who seem to have no problem hanging around at his ranch for weeks were doing before this happened.  Presumably they don't have ordinary jobs.

  •  Fiore is good (1+ / 0-)
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    However, Bundy has a much bigger gut hanging over his belt.

  •  This is brilliant, love it. (0+ / 0-)

    You cannot cross the sea merely by standing and staring at the water. Rabindranath Tagore

    by Thomasina on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 10:53:09 AM PDT

  •  Outstanding! (0+ / 0-)

    You have outdone yourself.

    There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

    by Puddytat on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 11:20:17 AM PDT

  •  About that $1.35... (1+ / 0-)
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    It turns out Nevada's fee for grazing cattle on state land is $12 per head per month. If Bundy was right in claiming that his grazing fee should go to the state, the money he offered to pay the state would have been only a fraction of what he owed. The state fee alone would be far above the combined fees and fines that the federal government is trying to collect.

    It'd be hilarious (though bad precedent) if the feds were to say "OK, you're right, it's the state's land. You owe Nevada $2.5 million."

  •  Tragedy of the Commons (4+ / 0-)

    Clive Bundy is a perfect example of an individual acting independently and according to his self-interest to behave contrary to the whole groups long-term interest.

    Or to put it simply: if there is a common resource, there will always be a few who will rush to take all that it has to offer for themselves, regardless of the consequences.

    I still remember the number of times some of us went without lunch in our call center because a few techs would leave their phones as soon as the pizza arrived and would take as many as one to two whole pizzas for themselves even after being told they were depriving their co-workers of food.

    It only stopped when the managers began distributing the food according to what had been ordered for each tech. That sure riled up the good old boys who were used to gorging themselves on other people's lunches!

    Wiki - The Tragedy of the Commons

    •  Another example: (1+ / 0-)
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      Remember Jonathan Stark's Starbucks card experiment? It ended when it was discovered that people were misappropriating the funds for private gain.

      From the article: Friday morning, entrepreneur Sam Odio's “How to use Jonathan’s card to buy yourself an iPad" blog post lit the web on the fire. Some saw the card exploit as an evolution of the experiment; others saw it as theft. Odio even later offered to return the funds. Once the exploit was public, however, Starbucks felt compelled to deactivate the card.

      Sam Odio - another human being who was just out for himself and destroyed something that had been used for the common good.

      •  There are far too many people like Odio (0+ / 0-)

        That's why we need government - to maintain order and protect people who would otherwise be taken advantage of by their neighbors.  If everyone had a strong moral compass, government would have very little it needed to do.

        Understanding is limited by perspective. Perspective is limited by experience. America is a great place to live but it limits our ability to understand.

        by CindyV on Sun Apr 27, 2014 at 12:15:17 PM PDT

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    •  The Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 (1+ / 0-)
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      formed the basis of the BLM and grazing fees. It came about because of the tragedy of the commons. It was at ranchers urging and bequest, because of overgrazing and chaos caused by competing ranchers to get their herd to areas still containing forage. They recognized there needed to be effective management of resources. Taylor, whom the bill was named after, was a rancher and Colorado Congressman. It seems history has been forgotten.

      •  Thanks for the history (0+ / 0-)

        Always nice to get a little extra knowledge from the shared base out here on KOS.

        Understanding is limited by perspective. Perspective is limited by experience. America is a great place to live but it limits our ability to understand.

        by CindyV on Sun Apr 27, 2014 at 12:16:42 PM PDT

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  •  Very clever (3+ / 0-)
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    I find it amusing that he's considered a patriot for thinking that the US government doesn't exist!  And, to prove that he owes allegiance only to the State of Nevada (he apparently missed the line in Nevada’s constitution that lays out in Section 2 that “the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government”.) he gallops around waving an American flag.

    Sounds to me like his understanding of government and his place in it are like a plate of scrambled eggs.  Oh, sorry.  That's his brain.

  •  It should be "Home, home of the deranged" (3+ / 0-)
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    I think.

  •  love it (1+ / 0-)
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    Great stuff.

    "I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness," Allen Ginsberg

    by Hermenutic on Sat Apr 26, 2014 at 12:13:21 PM PDT

  •  Take away all his free stuff... (1+ / 0-)
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    Cattle raisers get money from the government for raising cattle.  it is not just the grazing permission.  If he loses a head of cattle he can claim it as a loss as well as his business loses which I'm sure he will claim on his taxes next year. Why his assets have not been confiscated yet is beyond me.  A plague on his house...oh, he'll probably claim a loss on that too.  

  •  $ 1.35 per day is CHEAP... (1+ / 0-)
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    when you consider that the rancher in question does not have to do anything but fatten up the cattle and sell them.

    I wonder where the old coot would graze his cattle if there weren't any federal lands to graze them on?

    Would he just drive them over to his neighbors' ranches and graze them for free?


    •  Actually, I made a mistake... (0+ / 0-)

      it is $1.35 per MONTH, per calf/cow pair.

      It is tantamount to welfare...serious welfare.

      It turns out the price hasn't gone up much in decades.

      If it were adjusted for inflation, it would be over $9 per month, and still one of the best bargains on the planet!

  •  Let's not stop here ! (3+ / 0-)

    Let's stop the FARM SUBSIDIES of the corrupt Republican corporate MONARCHY ! THEY STEAL WAY TOO MUCH FROM US NOW !!!

  •  It is especially amusing that Cloven thinks the (2+ / 0-)
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    state should hold him responsible. So do I. Especially if what I read somewhere is true that the state charges $10.00 a head.

  •  Error (0+ / 0-)

    I think the title caption should have been "Home on the de-ranged".

  •  gub-mint? that's gumment, amigo (0+ / 0-)
  •  Bundy the latest anti-gub'mint celebrity (1+ / 0-)
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    Bundy the latest anti-gub'mint celebrity

  •  Home on the range (1+ / 0-)
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    The rich don't want to pay the taxes so they have the land to graze on.
    They want police, fire and, military protection.
    But don't want to pay the taxes to pay these people for their protection.

  •  The republicans (1+ / 0-)
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    continue the fight, as to whether they will be called the disgusting, or the despicable political party. But when your political party is nothing but lying hateful, hate filled, hate mongers, either would fill the bill.

  •  If its public (1+ / 0-)
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    I totally agree with Mr. Bundy.  He should be able to graze on public land.  And if there are people ALSO on or near this public land that feel a hankering for some steak, then I think they should just go ahead and take some off their public land.  I'm sure Mr. Bundy would not mind that.  Afterall, he wouldn't want to be seen as taking government handouts would he?  Everyone lighten up and grab a "Public Burger" on Mr. Bundy.

  •  BUNDYFEST (1+ / 0-)
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    Join in on the fun and share   Go to Facebook and LIKE Bundyfest and learn more   A 30 Freedom Fest 240 bands across the road from the Bundy Fiasco.  Fun, Sun, Freedom, Love and Peace Fest  :-)    The anti Bundy party.

  •  I think (0+ / 0-)

    it would be funny if law enforcement set up around one hundred long range snipers and started picking off the cattle. It would give our military long range snipers practice they could use and they would be so far off and under cover ole brain dead Bundy would run out begging to surrender. At which time the slaughtered cattle could be used to feed the poor and hungry in America. And believe me we have plenty hungry people because of people like Bundy.

  •  middleschool (0+ / 0-)

    You guys are like little kids, the cartoon is beyond childish, and the song, or whatever that is supposed to be, is strictly middleschool bully. You guys are worse than Bundy is.

  •  Just Wonderin if anyone has looked into craven (0+ / 0-)

    Cliven's Social Security situation since he DOES NOT ACKNOWLEDGE the existence of the "FEDERAL GOVMINT."

    I suspect he is taking his monthly social security at 67 and who knows what other programs he and his loony tune family are taking money from, from our big bad government. Where is the  sheriff and police to clear these asses off public roads and stop their harassment and interfering in people's private lives and access to their homes?????

    I NEVER condone taking action with guns but letting these idiots get away with invading an American town at gun point can't be accepted. These people ARE domestic terrorist and need to pay the repercussions for interfering in a clear cut case of robbery of our government.  

  •  And here's Cliven (0+ / 0-)

    Hey, yet another Republican - Tea Party - Libertarian candidate for president.  No end to the possibilities. And yes, hey would soar to the top of the right-wing polls overnight.  

  •  Using our vast store of guns (0+ / 0-)

    Civilized order ever breaks down in this USA, we could easily turn into an American version of Syria, with a hodgepodge of groups fighting  for and against the federal, state, and local governments.

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