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Just when you thought the Koch-funded groups had already hit peak dishonesty, they outdo themselves yet again:

ICYMI: @SenatorReid voted NO on raising the #minimumwage. http://t.co/... #tcot #ccot #PJNET
@afpnevada
The stunning thing about this is that it was Senate Republicans who blocked the minimum wage increase, using the Senate's filibuster rules to block the Democratic legislation even though Republicans don't have a Senate majority. Once it became clear that no Republicans would join Democrats to supply the 60 votes needed to break the filibuster, Reid voted no on the cloture motion—but he did so in order to preserve his ability to bring up a vote again.

In other words, by voting no on cloture, Reid was actually voting in favor of increasing the minimum wage. It was a procedural vote he was forced to take because Republicans refused to move forward on the minimum wage, but according to the Americans for Prosperity Nevada chapter, Reid was voting against the minimum wage itself.

That's a gigantic lie, and even if the AFP Nevada crew are the stupidest people in politics, they know it's a lie, because the article to which their dishonest tweet links makes it clear what really happened. Meanwhile, AFP not only opposes raising the minimum wage, they'd like to get rid of it altogether.

2:35 PM PT: So on Twitter these clowns claimed to Markos that they were simply trying to "share information."

@AJentleson @YvonneCa2 @michaeldanish @markos our point was to simply share information.
@afpnevada
 

Bull. They said Reid voted against raising the minimum wage. False. He voted to preserve his ability to bring the minimum wage up for a cloture vote at some point in the future. And they can't claim to be hiding behind technical accuracy, because technically the vote wasn't on the minimum wage, it was on proceeding to a vote on the underlying legislation. Republicans voted no because they oppose raising it. Reid voted no because he supports raising it and had to vote that way in order to keep the legislation alive.

Oh, and one more thing: The article they originally linked to wasn't even about the minimum wage. It was about paycheck fairness. (Though the same thing happened there.)

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  •  No such thing (6+ / 0-)
    Just when you thought the Koch-funded groups had already hit peak dishonesty, they outdo themselves yet again
    I have given up thinking there is any such thing since the Clinton administration. If I had any sense, that would read 'since the Nixon administration', but what can I say... I learn slow.
  •  Remember Trading Places? (8+ / 0-)

    The John Landis movie with Dan Aykroyd as a commodities trader, Eddie Murphy as a conman/beggar, and Don Ameche & Ralph Bellamy as the too-rich-for-their-good Duke Brothers who decide on a "gentleman's wager" to see if Aykroyd or Murphy would thrive better if forced to live each other's life?

    Well, we may not be Aykroyd or Murphy (and if we must fall for a hooker with a heart of gold, here's hoping she kicks as much ass as Jamie Lee Curtis), but the Kochs ARE the Dukes. They don't give a single solitary crap about America, about Americans, about our future, about what's in our better interests. They come from very dark money. They're sadistic little boys with a laboratory kit, and America is their Petri dish. Everything they do to us is to see if they can get away with what they're doing to us. They're so rich money can't thrill them. No THING they can own can be a goal because they can buy the world twice already. So it's all about f*cking with us. Because they can. Who's going to stop them?

    You know you're winning a fight against a Republican when they stop mocking your position and start whining about your tone.

    by slappymagoo on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:36:44 PM PDT

    •  The thing I hate most about the Kochs (4+ / 0-)

      is how unethical and evil they are. If it was simply a matter of having a different ideology, I might not be so mad, but it is very clear that they purposefully use lies and deceit to trick the American public.

      Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

      by Matt Z on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:49:07 PM PDT

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  •  Okay Jed....you're just making stuff up. (3+ / 0-)
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  •  Reid should go to the floor (10+ / 0-)

    of the Senate to call them out on this lie.

    I’ve said before, I will always work with anyone who is willing to make this law work even better. But the debate over repealing this law is over. The Affordable Care Act is here to stay. -- President Barack Obama

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:39:21 PM PDT

    •  or he could instead change the stupid rule. (1+ / 0-)
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      If the roles were reversed I'd hope the Democrats would do the same thing against whatever Republican acted as Reid acted.  If you don't want your voting record to be twisted, don't go along with Opposite Day.

      It's long past time to clean up the mess that is Senate procedure.

      •  Actually, the rule makes sense. Why (2+ / 0-)
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        should a member of the losing side get to bring something up for a revote?  The theory is that only a member of the victorious side should get the opportunity to show that they have changed their minds.  Of course, as things have developed, it is mostly the Leader who, at the last minute, switches in order to be able to call a re-vote.

        I’ve said before, I will always work with anyone who is willing to make this law work even better. But the debate over repealing this law is over. The Affordable Care Act is here to stay. -- President Barack Obama

        by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:54:48 PM PDT

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  •  The GOP LIED????? (4+ / 0-)
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    Color me shocked!

    "Non-violence is a powerful and just weapon which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by Gentle Giant on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:43:06 PM PDT

  •  Why did he need to vote no? (2+ / 0-)
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    I don't understand the procedural angle here.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:43:47 PM PDT

    •  The majority leader (4+ / 0-)
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      cannot, under Senate rules, call another vote if he/she votes yes on a failed cloture vote. Might be a stupid rule but it's the rule. Thus he routinely changes his vote to no so the option to call another vote is preserved.

      “Republicans...think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people... And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.” Harry S. Truman

      by fenway49 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:49:28 PM PDT

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      •  Actually (1+ / 0-)
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        that applies to any Senator, not just the Majority Leader.  You can't call another vote on a measure that didn't pass cloture unless you yourself voted against cloture previously.

        29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

        by TDDVandy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:52:09 PM PDT

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        •  OK (1+ / 0-)
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          In practice I guess Reid's been taking it on himself to be the one whose right to call a new vote is preserved.

          “Republicans...think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people... And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.” Harry S. Truman

          by fenway49 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:08:16 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks. (1+ / 0-)
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        That really does sound like a stupid rule, although -- I can think of one good reason for it:

        to keep the Senate from being tied up in pointless cloture votes.

        You know that a cloture vote can't carry unless one or more Senators vote for it than voted the time before.  By requiring the motion to come from a "no" voter, the rule guarantees that at least one Senator will vote for who didn't originally.

        And, as we see, it's soooooo easily gamed.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:58:30 PM PDT

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        •  Its called reconsideration. (2+ / 0-)
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          it allows a deliberative body to take up a subject again.  Not that stupid.

          Things change and if this comes up next month than it does not have to be introduced as a new legislation...go to committee...come back from committee... etc...etc.   Just move to reconsider the previously defeated bill (vote) verbatim as previously debated.  

          But only someone on the winning side may move to reconsider, otherwise (think about if the loosing side could ask for reconsideration) nothing would happen. Ever.

          ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

          by NevDem on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:09:26 PM PDT

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      •  It's not only cloture or even procedural motions (0+ / 0-)

        it's anything.  Only a member of the voting majority can call for reconsideration of a prior measure.

        Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

        by Big River Bandido on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:20:05 PM PDT

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  •  This Koch ploy will be about as successful as (1+ / 0-)
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    their money spent to get "the young invincibles" to not sign up for the ACA.

    •  It's all of a piece and will just contribute to (0+ / 0-)

      the overall confusion and distrust they want to foment.  They are succeeding in that and given the passive, spineless Dems, it's no surprise.

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:58:16 PM PDT

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  •  What? (2+ / 0-)
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    If AFP told people the truth, their ads would be even less effective than they already are.

    29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:44:17 PM PDT

  •  Al Franken had it right many years ago: (3+ / 0-)
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    Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

  •  I read a Tweet earlier today about Reid's "No" (0+ / 0-)

    and I told someone in the car "wait until the AFP has to retract that ad".

    What's sad is that I wasn't joking: I honestly thought they'd be stupid enough to do it.

    You wouldn't let a child near your porn stash; don't let 'em near your gun stash.

    by here4tehbeer on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:46:52 PM PDT

  •  Truthiness the AFP way. n/t (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:47:53 PM PDT

  •  Looks like they've replaced that Tweet and (1+ / 0-)
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    added "for very different reasons." after the ellipsis.

    You wouldn't let a child near your porn stash; don't let 'em near your gun stash.

    by here4tehbeer on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:50:42 PM PDT

  •  This is why (2+ / 0-)
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    some understanding of government and how these things work is important. I know too many otherwise intelligent people who would fall for this, or -- if someone points out what really happened -- take the whole procedural angle as "proof" that all government is corrupt or Reid personally is a shady character invoking technicalities.

    In fact, this happens in the Supreme Court too. Warren Burger famously switched his vote in Roe v. Wade because the Chief Justice assigns the writing of the opinion only if in the majority. With the vote 6-3 before the switch, his switch wouldn't change the holding.

    “Republicans...think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people... And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.” Harry S. Truman

    by fenway49 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:52:50 PM PDT

  •  Kochs' are really depending on the electorate (0+ / 0-)

    being really DUMB.

    However, given how much / little people are taught on how government works in school, this kind of attack will start to sprout wings.  

    Best defense I see is to call them ignorant and Anti-American 'cause they don't know how the government works...

    They'll have apoplexy at anti-American, then shut up because they don't really know how government works. (proof, challenge them to explain how it works.)

    This will gain traction as in the right wing teakettle echo machine, but not much else (expect Fox, to make it MSM of course).  

    We need to be vigilant and demand the head of anyone in the media who dares be ignorant enough to repeat this fiction.

    ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

    by NevDem on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:55:59 PM PDT

  •  Oh please, stop whining about the Kochs and their (1+ / 0-)
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    lying.  The real problem here is that Reid and probably a few other Senators don't have the guts to change the filibuster rules so this crap doesn't happen.  They deserve what they get, not only in terms of blocked legislation, but the lies the Koch's and others throw at them.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:56:32 PM PDT

  •  one more reason to torch the filibuster (2+ / 0-)
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    •  Fat chance with Reid and the other puppy dog (1+ / 0-)
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      Dems.  Any bets how long it would take the Repubs to do it if they were in the majority?

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:00:03 PM PDT

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  •  I'm sick of seeing those crap GOP messages... (2+ / 0-)
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    Thye're specifically intended for the LCD among their base, because they know exactly how ignorant their key supporters are.

    It's the only way they can keep motivation up for the poor stupid fools that constitute the majority of republican voters:  come up with a constant stream of messaging that will keep the anger level continually elevated, never let the fire get down to embers, gotta have a message going out that keeps the stoopids angry and their blood pressure elevated.

    "When and if fascism comes to America...it will not even be called 'fascism'; it will be called, of course, 'Americanism'" --Professor Halford E. Luccock of Yale Divinity School; New York Times article from September 12, 1938, page 15

    by demongo on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:57:05 PM PDT

    •  Yes, the Kochs and their lot are succeeding and (1+ / 0-)
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      they are enabled by the gutless Dems.  Reid and the Dems can change this, but choose not to.  So who's to blame?

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:01:19 PM PDT

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  •  You made a diary out of a tweet? (0+ / 0-)

    Slow news day for you?

  •  Another stunning thing about this is (0+ / 0-)

    that it's going to be set in motion on a loop on right wing radio and tv until it becomes fact, picked up by major media outlets.  The same bs right wing propaganda that is dumbing down the electorate in this country and gives rise to more Rs in state legislature and congress.  Sickening.  All of it.  

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 03:17:28 PM PDT

  •  This is on Senate Dems in a way though (0+ / 0-)

    ever since Kerry's infamous"I voted for it before I voted against it" line, Senate Dems should have realized that the average American doesn't understand arcane Senate rules, and these actions can be made to look bad. A simple rule change to allow say a "present vote" to accomplish the same thing would have been smart. Or allow the author of a bill one automatic resubmit after 60 days, or what ever. But this is a dumb parliamentary rule that needs to go.

    Why this rule change hasn't been made is astounding to me.

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    by dopper0189 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 03:25:04 PM PDT

  •  Bah. (0+ / 0-)

    Harry Reid could easily mitigate any damage from this.  All he's gotta do is keep bringing the bill up for cloture, over and over again.  As long as he does that, people will know where stands.

    Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

    by Big River Bandido on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 07:18:07 PM PDT

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