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Come Friday, the Bureau of Labor Statistics will announce its first estimate of jobs created in April, the 49th consecutive month of job expansion. Expert consensus puts the probable gain at around 215,000. While that is far from horrible, it's also running at too slow a rate to restore all the private and public-sector jobs lost during the Great Recession and absorb those entering the work force for the first time because of population growth. But, even if job creation were running 315,000 a month, there would still be a problem: the average quality of the jobs being offered.

Three years ago, Annette Bernhardt at the National Employment Law Project concluded in a white paper that during the first phase of the economic recovery from the Great Recession, most of the jobs being added were in lower-wage categories than the jobs that were lost. Now, NELP's Mike Evangelist has updated her analysis through February 2014 and found that the same situation holds in the current phase, as can be seen in the chart above.

What he found was that the rate of the current recovery, which has added 8.9 million private-sector jobs in the past four years, has been stronger than the so-called "jobless recovery" of the 2001 recession. But post-Great Recession job growth has been more concentrated in work that doesn't pay as well. The kinds of jobs that can be obtained by the unemployed, by new entrants into the labor market (such as high school and college graduates) and by people seeking to move up the career ladder "are distinctly different today than they were prior to the recession."

So what's the job gains terrain look like?

• Lower-wage industries accounted for 22 percent of job losses during the recession, but 44 percent of employment growth over the past four years. Today, lower-wage industries employ 1.85 million more workers than at the start of the recession.

• Mid-wage industries accounted for 37 percent of job losses, but 26 percent of recent employment  growth. There are now 958,000 fewer jobs in mid-wage industries than at the start of the recession.

• Higher-wage industries accounted 41 percent of job losses, but 30 percent of recent employment growth. There are now 976,000 fewer jobs in higher-wage industries than at the start of the recession.

Take a look at just one arena, that of well-paid blue-collar jobs, which took huge hits during the Great Recession. Employment in transportation and warehousing just barely exceeds the pre-recession peak. In manufacturing of durable goods and the wholesale trade, the number of jobs remains far below peak levels. In construction, employment is 20 percent below the peak. Meanwhile, in the lower-paying food services and drinking establishments industry, there have been three times as many jobs gained as were lost during the recession.

Originally posted to Meteor Blades on Thu May 01, 2014 at 10:47 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  GOP Senate sniffs "Let them eat Cake" at Min Wage (17+ / 0-)

    Workers.

    "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Thu May 01, 2014 at 10:52:57 AM PDT

  •  The hollowing out of the middle class (20+ / 0-)

    seems to have accelerated with the Great Recession.  
    This nation needs a minimum wage increase.

    At one time, factory work was the low paying work.  Unions changed that.  This nation needs strong unions.  

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Thu May 01, 2014 at 10:56:04 AM PDT

    •  We can't compete with campaign contributions... (6+ / 0-)

      Regular, working people will never be able to outspend Wall Street and corporate America, and this financial disadvantage leads to politicians of both parties prioritizing the needs of business over workers.

      The only way we can fight this is by banding together, organizing and unionizing. Collective action is the ONLY thing that will save working people.

      And it's all easier said than done, unfortunately. We're docile. We buy into divisiveness, fighting our fellow workers. Workers heap more scorn onto the poor and unemployed than we do the 1%.

      •  There is the real truth! Divide and Conquer and (1+ / 0-)
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        both sides are guilty.

        The first step on our side is to stop using belittling and dehumanizing language for those on the right. We many not agree with them on many many things, but they are just as much the victims as we are.

        Join the DeRevolution: We are not trying to take the country, we are trying to take the country back. Get the money out of politics with public financed campaigns so 'Of the People, By the People and For the People' rings true again.

        by fToRrEeEsSt on Thu May 01, 2014 at 12:47:40 PM PDT

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  •  Right on Schedule, and According to Plan. n/t (5+ / 0-)

    "After the (job losses) and (austerity) they won't be the same human beings you remember. Slaves?. . let's just say, they'll be satisfied with less" -Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine, as explained by Ming the Merciless.

    by Softlanded on Thu May 01, 2014 at 10:56:04 AM PDT

  •  That's why I yawn at those monthly FP diaries (8+ / 0-)

    ...about the unemployment rate.  Anything that doesn't measure the quality of employment is just a distraction from the real issue.

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Thu May 01, 2014 at 10:59:52 AM PDT

  •  That does seem to be the plan. (22+ / 0-)

    1: Keep unemployment high by not rehiring the people that productivity would demand.

    2: Blame the administration for high unemployment.

    3: Keep wages low by keeping unemployment high. Make people desperate for any job, no matter what it pays.

    4: Cut unemployment benefits to make people even more desperate for any job.

    5: Justify cuts in unemployment by claiming the unemployed are 'lazy' and need to be motivated to get a job.

     

    "That being said, I do agree I am going to hell. But for other reasons. Mostly boring tax stuff ' Amy Pohler

    by Annie B on Thu May 01, 2014 at 11:02:29 AM PDT

  •  I did know this. (13+ / 0-)

    Unfortunately, I also just lost my lower wage job. (Sigh.)

  •  The poor and the middle class are worse off (8+ / 0-)

    http://www.gallup.com/...

    WASHINGTON, D.C. - More Americans, 42%, say they are financially worse off now than they were a year ago, reversing the lower levels found over the past two years. Just more than a third of Americans say their financial situation has improved from a year ago.
    Meanwhile, the predatory capitalists in Wall Street are making record profits and the DOW is at record levels.

    Inequality has increased.

    I'm not staying still, we need to get money out of politics or nothing will work.  So join me helping out in the March for Democracy.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Thu May 01, 2014 at 12:04:39 PM PDT

  •  And I'd like to push back on the re-training.. (9+ / 0-)

    ..meme that's been going around

    Who's to Blame for Long-Term Unemployment? by Bob Burnett 5/10/2013

    There are two competing economic explanations for long-term unemployment.  Structural unemployment postulates long-term unemployment results from the changed nature of the labor market: it argues there are jobs available but the long-term jobless don't have the proper skills.  

    However, a recent paper by economists Edward Lazear and James Spletzer disputed this: "An analysis of labor market data suggests that there are no structural changes that can explain movements in unemployment rates over recent years. Neither industrial nor demographic shifts nor a mismatch of skills with job vacancies is behind the increased rates of unemployment."  Furthermore, the number of unemployed persons per job opening is high: "When the most recent recession began (December 2007), the number of unemployed persons per job opening was 1.8. When the recession ended (June 2009), there were 6.2 unemployed persons."  Currently the metric is 3.1.

    The second economic explanation is cyclical unemployment...  


    Who's primarily to blame:
    The primary fault lies with failed conservative economic policy.  Beginning with the Reagan administration, Republicans were guided by three malignant notions:  •elping the rich get richer would inevitably help everyone else;

     • markets were inherently self correcting and therefore there was no need for government regulation;

     • and the US did not need an economic strategy because the free market would fix our problems.  This ideology led the Bush Administration to ignore the housing bubble and Wall Street malfeasance and caused the great recession of 2008.

    Unfortunately, Republicans can't admit their philosophy was wrong.  They cling to Reaganomics and contend that government is the problem.  Even worse, Republicans have no sympathy for the unemployed...

     - emphasis added

    I know; preaching to the choir here but, I've heard a lot about re-training from the choir and its conductors lately and just wanted to say that it seems to me that, although learning new skills is a good thing, the more energy/focus that is put on the re-training meme the less is put into the structural problems we have.

    And the less energy and focus goes into the solutions we already know we need; a massive WPA program amongst many other solutions.

    Also too this re-training thing tends to bolster a RWNJ message that it is the workers fault somehow. That is just BS and very un fair to workers - imo

    We need investment in people not more blame piled on

    Thx MB

    - end of long winded rant

    •  The "training" meme (4+ / 0-)

      was a ploy to get more people to "go back to college", IMO.

      Which so coincidentally seems to be part and parcel of the "student loan bubble" that's just dying to be popped...

      This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

      by lunachickie on Thu May 01, 2014 at 12:42:03 PM PDT

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    •  Re (1+ / 0-)
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      Structural unemployment postulates long-term unemployment results from the changed nature of the labor market: it argues there are jobs available but the long-term jobless don't have the proper skills.  
      This is a bit of a straw man.

      The real structural unemployment argument is basically that increased automation and more efficient processes have rendered many of these jobs completely obsolete (or massively reduced the number of people necessary), so there is nothing for the unemployed to do. We as a society only need so many people to work.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Thu May 01, 2014 at 02:27:43 PM PDT

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      •  Until the years of undone work that any person.. (0+ / 0-)

        ..can see by merely walking down any street, is completed, the automation argument falls flat. Used to be that a union construction job paid a fair living wage and there were plenty of them.

        There is more work that needs doing requiring every level of skill than one can shake a stick at.

        While it's true that there are some jobs which will are becoming obsolete with automation. Claims that automation gutting the middle class... That is the straw man use to greatly exaggerate a relatively small and completely curable gap in some labor sectors with targeted investments in future industries - renewable energy is but one of many.

         Repair, construction, and modernization of our society's many overlapping  infrastructure(s). An immense amount of work to be done - immediately if not sooner

         - imo

        •  Yeahbut office jobs have changed (1+ / 0-)
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          I too cringe at the theory that the unemployed need more training but in the field of Accounting, clerk positions have dried up due to electronic files instead of paper and automation of simpler tasks.

          A real life example -- in the US Gov the DOD now requires electronic submission of invoices in lieu of paper invoices mailed or faxed to a payment office.  Also paper payment files are no longer required so countless hours spent filing are no more.  And ERPs automate simple stuff like compiling a general ledger and financial statements.

          Does this mean everyone needs to go get an MBA? Nope.  But folks who were "accounting clerks" end up left out unless they can transition to more analytical positions.  Sadly colleagues who could not transition after what I thought was a generous transition period were let go as my Agency needed financial analysts not accounting clerks.

      •  Do you conservasplain everything? (1+ / 0-)
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        •  yes he does lol! (1+ / 0-)
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          bryduck

          I love dkos, but one thing I've noticed since I joined is that when people post political Republican talking points they get hr'd but when they repeatedly post obvious Republican economic talking points they don't.

          God bless people like Eric and MB who patiently and decisively refute them over and over again. It has to become a weariness of the spirit after a while.

          Maybe it's because Republican economic talking points are so similar to conservative Democratic economic talking points that it's hard to tell the difference lol!

          I'm not "that old" (54, ok maybe I am...) so it amazes me that the middle of the road Democratic economic beliefs I was raised with are now considered somehow left wing in my Party.

          •  Not even "left wing", (1+ / 0-)
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            I'd say, but out of the party altogether. So few Dems in office espouse 1970s (let alone 1960s)-era MOR Dem platform ideals that one must believe that those ideals no longer attract Democrat pols at all, despite their being majority-held desires in the public at large.

            "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

            by bryduck on Sat May 03, 2014 at 09:40:37 AM PDT

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  •  I personally (8+ / 0-)

    went from the high-wage category to the mid-wage category, from 2009 to today.

    "The oppressors most powerful weapon is the mind of the oppressed." - Stephen Biko

    by gjohnsit on Thu May 01, 2014 at 12:09:54 PM PDT

  •  In the last half-year I've seen several articles (2+ / 0-)
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    FloridaSNMOM, Meteor Blades

    in the European press touting the US recovery. It got me to thinking about how the public gauges the economy.

    Obviously, the unemployed and people who fell into lower wage jobs and minimum wage workers feel the effects. But even people who aren't affected by the recession believe that the economy sucks. How much do people perceive X% of good jobs replaced by lousy jobs as a tangible thing?
    Or does the mass media mold public opinion?

    With the present conditions, could people be persuaded to believe the economy is booming?

    I researched the stats. I have Friday's jobs report as the 50th consecutive month of private sector jobs growth, by the way. All of the private sector jobs lost during the recession were recovered as of last month's report. If private and public sector jobs combined are considered, the economy will still be a couple of hundred thousand jobs short of a full recovery. Government jobs are lagging which is, of course, austerity.

    The 50 month streak beats the last administration when the jobs growth record was 48 months. The current streak added 8.9 million private sector jobs vs. 7.3 million
    in the prior administration.

    Looking at a variety of stats, it's hard to say that the economy was better in 2006-2007 than it is now. But far more people in public polling say the economy is in bad shape today.

    •  And we wonder why they don't turn out to vote (6+ / 0-)

      A lot of these people are feeling very hopeless. It seems no matter who they elect, things keep getting worse for the working class.

      Maybe if we offered them candidates willing to fight for real change....

      Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

      by Betty Pinson on Thu May 01, 2014 at 12:31:38 PM PDT

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      •  The way I was raised, if I didn't turn out to vote (0+ / 0-)

        it was counted as a vote for the Republicans.

        •  Voters today are confused (0+ / 0-)

          They keep electing Democrats, but nothing improves, or so I've been told by quite a few of them.

          Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

          by Betty Pinson on Thu May 01, 2014 at 01:04:10 PM PDT

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          •  To get an idea what electing Democrats means (0+ / 0-)

            I look at the Senate in
            1933 - 59 Democrats
            1935 - 69 Democrat
            1937 - 76 Democrats
            1939 - 69 Democrats
            There were 96 seats in the Senate in those years.

            In the House:
            1933 - 313 Democrats
            1935 - 321 Democrat
            1937 - 334 Democrats
            1939 - 262 Democrats
            There were 435 seats

            In 2009, the Senate started with 56 Democrats. There were 58 when Spector swiitched and Franken was seated 6 months after the session began. By that point Ted Kennedy had about 6 weeks left in him.  The 58 Democrats + 2 Independents = 60 for Cloture since the Republicans were filibustering everything.

            1 of the Independents was Lieberman.

            The following January, in the special election, the Massachusetts voters did not elect a Democrat. The November after that, the voters did not elect Democrats.

            We have two parties. The choice is never Republican and neither is staying home. With just two parties, a majority means the caucus stretches from an extreme to the center + 1. I'd never expect everyone across that broad spectrum to agree with me, but together we could get some things done.

            •  Please no patronizing or sexism for that matter (1+ / 0-)
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              I've been an active Democrat probably since you were in grade school.

              The current state of the US economy, oligarchy and the hamstrung, sold out  Democratic party is like nothing we've seen in the last 50 years or so. Check the polls. Our leadership has sold out to big money donors and is no longer willing to govern. They keep lying to voters instead of fixing the economy.

              No, Dem leadership today is abase, ignorant group. Theyre better than Republicans, but still woefully subpar and crooked. They're going to lose if they dont start fixing problems.

              Get busy instead of lecturing the base. Tell your bosses to STFU and get to work or be replaced.

              Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

              by Betty Pinson on Thu May 01, 2014 at 08:27:29 PM PDT

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    •  Back to where we were in terms of number... (5+ / 0-)

      ...of jobs we had in December 2007. But during that time, from population increase, we've developed a 7.4 million jobs gap. In other words, to keep up, we should have created about 16 million jobs over that 76-month period.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Thu May 01, 2014 at 12:49:26 PM PDT

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      •  MB, do you think we can grow our way out (1+ / 0-)
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        of the economic problems?  I don't see how the expansion of the economy can continue on the old models.  I don't see how we can have, for example, a growth in medium-paying factory jobs like I had in the early 70's with General Motors.  I was a kid right out of high school and went to work making enough money to buy a house, a car and raise a family; and if my wife worked at RCA down the road we'd do really well in midwestern America.  Now, GM makes more parts than we made then with 25% of the labor population and the RCA plant is a burnt out husk.

        If we were going to keep up with the growth in population just by increasing jobs, then we'd need to require something more than 4X the number of car parts to account for the growth in productivity.  Even if that were feasible by increasing exports for example, where would the resources come from, and what would the cost to the environment be?

        The degradation of the real economy is well-hidden.  I'm a fairly high-paid professional now, and my earning power as measured by my ability to buy a house, raise a family and enjoy a solid middle-class existence is surprisingly similiar to what I had when I was a recent high school graduate working on the assembly line.  The work I have now is much more intrinsically rewarding and living in the SF North Bay is more expensive than living in Middle Indiana was 40 years ago, but what I would once have considered nearly untold riches is surprisingly precarious.

        I've been poor enough to be actually hungry and slept in my car in a friend's driveway for a while, so I am very cognizant that I'm fortunate, but 10 months of my rent now would have bought my house in 1974.

        I'm curious to know you position on how we go forward and try to end the misery of poverty and still have a world that is worth living in environmentally.

        "I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man..." Robbie Robertson

        by NearlyNormal on Thu May 01, 2014 at 01:37:22 PM PDT

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        •  There is no doubt we need a shift... (1+ / 0-)
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          NearlyNormal

          ...of major proportions and it must take into account the environment (not just because of climate change but resources in general, by which I mean having healthy ecosystems not menaced by additional development).

          A society in which education, food, health care and decent but not extravagant housing are part of everyone's birthright would reduce the need for having as many full-time jobs, reduce the pressure on the atmosphere and still provide a good life.

          Getting there, however, in the face of an international ruling class and their puppets mired in the old paradigm, is the rub.

          Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

          by Meteor Blades on Thu May 01, 2014 at 02:44:33 PM PDT

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  •  even this analysis assumes that the character (3+ / 0-)
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    of jobs within these categories has held up.

    So, how do we take into account stuff like what's apparently been happening in the port-trucking industry, where W2-status union truckers are being replaced by "independent contractors" who earn half or less of what union truckers earned.

    "Recovery" is simply the wrong word to describe what has happened over the last 5 years.

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Thu May 01, 2014 at 12:39:24 PM PDT

    •  Yes. This is more difficult information... (2+ / 0-)
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      YucatanMan, akeitz

      ...to get a handle on. Engineers and many other highly skilled people who lost jobs have found new work, but even though it is similar or identical to what they were doing before, they often make less at it, and get less in benefits, too.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Thu May 01, 2014 at 01:18:28 PM PDT

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      •  Even for people who have not lost their jobs (3+ / 0-)
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        Meteor Blades, akeitz, nchristine

        through the recession and supposed "recovery," benefits in particular have been slashed as businesses claim they need to remain competitive, while sitting on record profits and record amounts of cash on their books.

        This "increase in productivity" also slows the economy by taking money out of workers' pockets.  For every extra dollar I must spend on medicine, I have a dollar less to spend in a restaurant or grocery store or clothing store or for heat.

        Each of these "increases in productivity" done through wage and benefit cuts have actually slowed the economy.

        The measure of recovery should be median per capita wage and median household income, rather than stock prices, GDP, "employment" figures and all else. We aren't measuring the right things. That and a faulty model leave us in growing real recession.  

        Consumption will fall as long as workers are under assault from decreased benefits and pay which doesn't keep pace with inflation. Falling consumption is a further drag on the economy. Yet markets show great gains.

        Is it any wonder that people are angry about the constant focus on Wall Street and lack of focus on real income and Main Street?

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Thu May 01, 2014 at 01:30:44 PM PDT

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  •  yup, been there and done that. (3+ / 0-)

    thanks to obamacare i quit my minimum wage job.

    so i no longer work for the oligarch who pays minimum wage and thinks himself mother teresa for providing healthcare.... i was a slave to this job for the hc.

    he uses profits made from the minimum wage workers to lobby congress to not raise the minimum wage.

    However any bad moves his company has made is blamed on these same minimum wage workers....

    anything good- his fault - low sales - workers fault - etc etc...

    any guesses who this despicable man is?

  •  My sister was out of work for about 3 years (1+ / 0-)
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    and now has a part-time, no benefits job. So things have gone downhill for her pretty badly. She is living in one of the epicenters of the real-estate crash and can't afford to move.

    On the other hand .. I have a couple other younger relatives who have moved out of state and found reasonably good work. There is a lot of unevenness across regions in terms of how the job market is. Unfortunately not everyone can relocate at will.

  •  And after 5 years (0+ / 0-)

    the elephant in the room is what?  Or whom?

    Rethugs?  Senate?  Admin?  Kochs? Flying Spaghetti Monster?

    "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

    by EdMass on Thu May 01, 2014 at 01:44:43 PM PDT

  •  Do you want fries with that? (1+ / 0-)
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    Meteor Blades

    Do you want fries with that?
    Do you want fries with that?
    Do you want fries with that?
    Do you want fries with that?
    Do you want fries with that?
    Do you want fries with that?

    Sorry, I need to practice.

  •  We've moved passed "Service Economy" to Servants (0+ / 0-)

    Economy.

    Do these figures reflect the growth in working-age people? From what I've seen around, it seems that what we are seeing is lower percentages of people actually working.

    Then there's this bit about In 20% Of American Families, Everyone Is Unemployed

    According to shocking new numbers that were just released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 20 percent of American families do not have a single person that is working.  
    If only the Dems could come up with something, like, say, a National Recovery Act to get America working, repaired, and improved, surely they'd win those elections they so want to win.

    Then again, there are all those Monsters Abroad (is it still Putin today?) for which we have to piss away our resources.


    A government is a body of people usually notably ungoverned. -- Firefly

    by Jim P on Thu May 01, 2014 at 02:34:18 PM PDT

    •  Number of Liberal Proposals That Could Win Electns (2+ / 0-)
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      over the past 45 years is large.

      If the party had missed 3 to 5 yards, that'd be normal trial and error; 15 or 20, gross incompetence.

      But 45 years, that's a party that's not liberal.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri May 02, 2014 at 06:30:35 PM PDT

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  •  Oh, I've noticed alright. (0+ / 0-)

    You just don't see that many people walking around with fat wallets like you used to. The leather in those wallets, once stretched as tight as a drum, is now sagging rather pathetically.


    Some days it just makes more sense to climb out of the window when I leave my house.

    by glb3 on Thu May 01, 2014 at 03:18:23 PM PDT

  •  If you've not been employed after a certain time (2+ / 0-)
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    then you're screwed, regardless of talents in demand.   Welcome to my world.

  •  Well Let's See, Network Admin to Dried Grass (1+ / 0-)
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    jbsoul

    artisan.

    Got yer lower income here.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri May 02, 2014 at 06:28:05 PM PDT

  •  We are going to get blamed for part of this (1+ / 0-)
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    that of well-paid blue-collar jobs
    With coal being phased out.

    I'm glad for every single coal fired power plant that we no longer use, but just like logging, and ranching, the closing of coal mines will be remembered as something that happened during a Dem admin and with lots of support by Dems.

    There is no retraining, no other job will pay like a union mining or even a non union mining job. Former blue collar Dems. I've heard nothing about replacing those high paying jobs. Nothing about the whole towns that will fall into poverty, just like those towns all up and down the mountains of the west did.

    That's how we lose voters for generations.

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Fri May 02, 2014 at 06:28:30 PM PDT

  •  Why Am I Not Paid To Surf The Web? (0+ / 0-)

    Google has now gone to the dark side and embraced evil.  The links in your search results are pay-to-play.  Made in China crap. pyramid schemes, and scams rise to the top. If you click a link, Google gets money , often several dollars per click from the advertiser.

    But why pay google?  Shit, I'll surf the web if someone pays me a couple bucks every time I click a link. Why not cut out middleman (Google) and give the money directly to me?  

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Fri May 02, 2014 at 06:37:50 PM PDT

  •  This has been a failing of the Obama admin... (1+ / 0-)
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    jbsoul

    ...economic sufficiency of American families has to be the highest priority of both policy and politics. When you don't prosecute people at the top who caused a mess, you encourage the mess to continue and reward the mess-makers. And in a relatively free society, but where money = free speech for election contributions, that means that the mess-makers make more (because they're in control and don't care about the consequences) and everyone else isn't represented in government.

    it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

    by Addison on Fri May 02, 2014 at 07:31:50 PM PDT

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