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Painting: 'Patrick Henry Before the Virginia House of Burgesses', Peter F. Rothermel, 1851 (cropped)
Patrick Henry, seen here giving his famous "water bottles" speech.
Why does every last sodding one of these people seem to be a "doctor"?
Bob Johnson, a doctor and Republican candidate in Georgia’s solidly-red 1st District, said at a February candidate forum that the TSA is “indoctrinating” Americans.

“Now this is going to sound outrageous, I’d rather see another terrorist attack, truly I would, than to give up my liberty as an American citizen,” he said, according to a video clip obtained by POLITICO. “Give me liberty or give me death. Isn’t that what Patrick Henry said at the founding of our republic?”

He criticized the TSA for “indoctrinating generations of Americans to walk through a line and be prodded and probed by uniform personnel, agents of the government, like sheep.”

You know, fella, there's a legitimate point to be made in all of this—would it pain you to say it less, well, stupidly? We do not need to wedge the word "indoctrination" into every last conservative talking point like you're shoving a dead fish through the listener's mail slot. I don't think that word means what you think it means. Oh—what about "inculcating"? That's a damn fine word that doesn't get thrown around much at all these days, conservatives should take that one out for a spin. Makes you sound like William F. Buckley, that one.

Second, there is a legitimate point to be made in whether the various forms of security theater are really doing eff-all to prevent terrorism, versus merely providing a public facade of doing so. Vowing your own death rather than limit the size of your carry-on toothpaste is probably the stupidest possible way to make that point. I don't know Patrick Henry, and I never met Patrick Henry, but I do not know that he would apply revolutionary fervor to airport security restrictions. Maybe he would, I don't know. The founding fathers went through an awful lot of alcohol, I'm sure there was a time or two when he vowed he would rather die than deal with his horse throwing another shoe, and he could probably give a pretty stirring speech if he wanted to on his dedication towards freezing to death in the parlor rather than going outside to fetch more firewood. Who knows?

There seems to be a trend in politics. We don't want statesmen, we don't want people who can Speak Good. We want people who can take any halfway-complicated subject and commit themselves to total emotional meltdown on that subject whenever a microphone is placed in front of them. Security screenings iz like rule by Redcoats! Suggesting we rethink the capital gains tax rate is like the Holocaust! Our fertilizer factories have the God-given right to explode, and if you infringe on that right it will be worse than when Japan bombed the Alamo!

Making coherent points about debatable issues would seem to be the singular necessary requirement for helping to govern the country. (There are not many requirements, mind you, but being able to make basic points about things without throwing yourself around the room in a frothing panic every last time would seem to be a big one.) Unfortunately, "coherent" is one of those things that will get your ass primaried out of office, if you are a Republican, so that we can have more Steve Kings and Louie Gohmerts and Michele Bachmanns and every last Republican candidate in the states of North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, the Dakotas and Takeyourpick. Fine, so we won't be getting statesmen, not this time around. Could we make a deal with our conservative brethren to at least try to be governed by people who don't spit when they talk?

Originally posted to Hunter on Tue May 06, 2014 at 11:41 AM PDT.

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  •  All d-bags who became doctor for wrong reasons (32+ / 0-)

    Like, for the money and ego. When medicine didn't live up to their levels of greed and/or narcissism, they turned to politics. Bleh!

    I ♥ President Barack Obama.

    by ericlewis0 on Tue May 06, 2014 at 11:46:59 AM PDT

  •  Many of them are veterinary doctors to boot, (6+ / 0-)

    which as we all know gives them even keener insights into Goddin', shootin', babby killin' and the Gold Standard.

    (It's quite possible that "keener" may not be the correct word in this instance.)

    Ain't no such things as halfway crooks.

    by here4tehbeer on Tue May 06, 2014 at 11:50:50 AM PDT

  •  Not defending this guy or agreeing with what (18+ / 0-)

    he said...but there have been times standing in line when I've thought

    You know what?  Let's just take our chances.

    “To the world you may be just one person, but to one person you may be the world.”-Brandi Snyder (in memory of my Nick)

    by YellowDogInGA on Tue May 06, 2014 at 11:52:14 AM PDT

    •  Effectiveness is a concern (30+ / 0-)

      And others have made the "security theater" observation so I don't feel like I have to, as well.

      But did anyone enlighten Dr. Johnson as to which party put the TSA in place, and stampeded public opinion into thinking that any of this was going to "stop" the terrorists? (Hint: Check your party registration, Bob.)

    •  Exactly--he's just voicing a sentiment (6+ / 0-)

      ...that I've read 1000 times on this very website.  It's perfectly respectable although I don't agree with it, and it goes back to whoever noted that liberty and security are in the end incompatible.  

      By the way, doctors are disproportionately represented in the crackpot-politico population because society gives excessive deference to doctors; this empowers them to step forward as would-be experts and leaders on a whole range of topics for which they're not qualified.  So in a structural sense I don't blame the doctors--they're just taking the bait that society has given them.  In societies that don't defer so much to doctors (or compensate them so well), I doubt that doctors are overrepresented in the crackpot population.

      It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

      by Rich in PA on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:25:32 PM PDT

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      •  WHY they're Drs is powerful memory & $ for school (2+ / 0-)
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        in the first place. According to a magnificently progressive and highly skilled, compassionate MD (and PhD, in biomedical engineering) specialist in physical medicine and rehabilitation, medical school as distinct from engineering, seemed to involve students with extraordinary memory and the familial $ or ability to get financial aid to attend school.

        In her observation, the powerful memory made actually understanding how the human body works, and actually understanding causality, etc., etc., etc., unnecessary. They got high grades because they easily absorbed everything they studied and were taught. Then if they actually made it through cadaver work (which possibly instills the that live human beings also don't merit respect or compassion and are just meat that is further annoying because it asks questions and expresses expectations.

        The graduate degree MD does not necessarily mean they ever practiced medicine successfully or have any higher quality of reasoning or compassion than any other professional field's graduates, nor any grasp on the theory that a society that takes decent care of its own has a larger pool of talent and skill by which to continue as a society.

        If they got thru' medical training on student loans, and don't have the write-novels-that-are-perfect-for-filmmaking talent of a Michael Crichton (an MD who never got a license to practice), and found medical practice unpleasant if they did get a license and a job, the extraordinary memory and the impressive academic degree easily make politics an arena to choose instead, in which to be trusted/respected without having to actually earn it, and where financial rewards may flow in (from lobbyists, for example, and the personal activities of life that magically become supported by campaign contributions, such as transportation/car, restaurants, etc, as in small business and corporate life as well), without the costs of medical malpractice insurance or the annoyance of individual patients who actually expect service in exchange for the fees they pay. An elected politician gets a staff who deal with the "patients/constituents", a more flexible schedule than the usual day-job, and only the powerful in the political party to really answer to if the party is manipulating the constituency effectively.

        These days you'll find an interesting extent of MD's going next to law school ---another field in which a prodigious memory is a necessity and hugely rewarding asset--- and then going to work for medical malpractice insurers, BigPharma, medical insurance, HMOs, hospital adminstration... lobbies...

        •  Let us not forget the lessons of (0+ / 0-)

          The Handmaid's Tale. Remember, many conservatives believe the only valid "Doctor's" degree is an M.D. And we all know how smart Doctors are, right? I'll never forget seeing Dick Armey on TV at a TP rally talking about Rachael Maddow's doctorate and that she has some degree that basically has no value (read, not a REAL Doctor). That same sentiment was introduced to me by Margaret Atwood.

          "I'm nobody's saviour, and nobody's mine either." Ferron

          by Lword2 on Fri May 09, 2014 at 04:45:39 PM PDT

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    •  What bothers me... (11+ / 0-)

      ...is the inconsistency of it all.

      Under President Obama, the TSA is indoctrinating us and destroying our freedoms, but the same agency with the same policies was Protecting the Homeland back when Bush was president.  And questioning that meant that you were probably a terrorist yourself, since you had nothing to fear unless you were hiding something.

      I'd love to see an intelligent discussion and debate about the role of the TSA and other pieces of our "Homeland Security" apparatus -- but, unfortunately, this house candidate is contributing nothing when it comes to getting a rational discourse going.

      If Democrats proclaim the the Earth is round and Republicans insist it is flat, we will shortly see a column in the Washington Post claiming the the earth is really a semi-circle.

      by TexasTom on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:36:49 PM PDT

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    •  The "security theater" is a show (7+ / 0-)

      paid for by the airlines to make people feel better.  There is no practical use for all the security.  Here is a politician - okay he is a Gooper - with the balls to say "let's dismantle some of this overbearing security apparatus" and hell, I agree with him.  

      Still enjoying my stimulus package.

      by Kevvboy on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:51:25 PM PDT

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    •  "Let's just take our chances" (0+ / 0-)

      I always say that.  Mostly because we are under virtually no threat (or terrorism) when we fly.

      The TSA is an expensive solution looking for a virtually non-existent problem.  Our airlines are safe.  The only genuine threat I face when flying is the abuse I take from the TSA or their assaultive behavior toward my family members.

      Like you, I am not defending the guy because he is a clueless moron with zero critical thinking skills and no appreciation for risk assessment.  Bob Johnson is correct that we do not need the TSA, but he seems to have little insight as to why.

      sláinte,
      cl
      -- Religion is like sodomy: both can be harmless when practiced between consenting adults but neither should be imposed upon children.

      by Caoimhin Laochdha on Wed May 07, 2014 at 05:11:01 PM PDT

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  •  Reprise of the Know-Nothing party. (7+ / 0-)

    Wikipedia

    They're baaaack.  Only 170 years later.  Ex-Whigs.

    One of the founding groups of the GOP.

    So is there a xenophobic Millard Fillmore type in the GOP Primary this season?

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Tue May 06, 2014 at 11:54:18 AM PDT

  •  Sept 11 showed some massive gaps in our (3+ / 0-)
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    transportation system. Poor security and no lock on cockpit doors are a couple of examples, because security costs money and time and the evil airlines didn't want to spend any more money than they had to. Too bad they weren't taken over but  evil W like national security to be a private enterprise.

    To this assho!e, there is not right to fly on an airplane. Don't like flying, there's driving.

    Tired of this crap from these evil rotten monsters.

    I voted today because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Tue May 06, 2014 at 11:55:57 AM PDT

    •  Those security measures matter; TSA doesn't (23+ / 0-)

      The locked cockpit door is one change that seems well worth it. The other big change is that passengers recognize that occasionally another passenger has evil intent, and are prepared to intervene -- quickly. That's what's saved several flights from going down.

      What bothers me is all the other measures that really do remarkably little good -- especially when airlines like Malaysia fly large pallets of  lithium ion batteries as cargo, and even on US carriers the cargo doesn't get subjected to the same scrutiny that passengers and their carry-ons do.

    •  The irony is, (9+ / 0-)

      if this Republican wants to blame the present system on some meddling, invasive, Democratic nanny-state, we should note that the current TSA, the new division of Homeland Security, and all of the more invasive trappings of the contemporary security state were ramped up under George Bush. As I recall, few Republicans back then raised any objection to being prodded, poked, scanned, screened, etc. -- and if the TSA did find something amiss, then they were quite happy to hand that person over to Jack Bauer and his "enhanced interrogation techniques." After all, we were told, if we had nothing to hide, then we shouldn't worry about it -- or so the Republicans said back then.

      The introduction of the post-9/11 TSA is difficult to separate from the atmosphere of intensified fear from that time. I think of limitations on liquid gels on airplanes, and I simultaneously think of the color-coded terror threat warnings. This is unfortunate, because some of the changes were necessary -- but I also note that I, as a white middle-class man, am far less likely to bear the brunt of the system, with its selective enhanced patdowns and other discretionary security protocols.

      Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of non-thought. -- Milan Kundera

      by Dale on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:28:43 PM PDT

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      •  The difference is... (6+ / 0-)

        ...that under Bush, the TSA and other agencies were Protecting Our Freedom (TM), whereas today they are the entrance wedge of the Jackbooted Islamo-Communist Fascists Who Are Destroying Our Way of Life (TM).

        See, that clears it up, doesn't it?

        If Democrats proclaim the the Earth is round and Republicans insist it is flat, we will shortly see a column in the Washington Post claiming the the earth is really a semi-circle.

        by TexasTom on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:38:52 PM PDT

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    •  I love it! No right to fly! (5+ / 0-)
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      9/11 was in part because the Cheney administration was looking for the "Pearl Harbor" moment and had no reason to stop Bin Lauden, even though the intelligence that he was planning an attack did exist. The lack of security was not because the airlines were cheap, travelers just didn't see the necessity of the inconvenience. But the overreach of the TSA, with its absurd no-fly lists (see Sen Ted Kennedy being stopped from flying), patting down granny in the wheel-chair, confiscating breast milk, ogling naked x-rays, etc is pretty unconscionable. And see what happens if you object to ANY behavior on their part. It's not about your right to fly, it's about your right not to be humiliated by a process that seems in place only to prove that you can be subjected to it.
      And after that, we have billions of recorded telephone calls and emails without warrant, even though no one can show a single case of it stopping domestic terrorism - if even the NSA cares about stopping it, as it is not in their interest to do so.
      So, who is gonna talk about the turn-key police state? Obama said we should "discuss" total surveillance, but I don't see it happening.

      "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

      by shmuelman on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:40:29 PM PDT

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  •  To rephrase it a bit (15+ / 0-)

    I'd rather a bunch of other people die horribly than to inconvience me by TSA.

    Oh my god, it's full of cheese! - 2001 first draft

    by sizzzzlerz on Tue May 06, 2014 at 12:01:11 PM PDT

  •  The good news is, it's a false choice. (31+ / 0-)

    If the trade-off really were the indignities of TSA procedures versus another terrorist attack on US soil, then we could have that discussion. But the reality is that most of what the TSA does is completely ineffective, does not address the real risks, and is more "security theater" (and windfall profits to the manufacturers of the scanner machines, who have lobbied heavily to make them required equipment all over the world).

    So it's not even a trade-off we have to make. We can do win-win on this one.

    And it's one issue where the left-wing privacy advocates and the tea-party libertarians may find common ground.

  •  I'm surprised he didn't blame Obama. (5+ / 0-)
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    nt

    Sometimes it's a little better to travel than to arrive - Pirsig

    by prettygirlxoxoxo on Tue May 06, 2014 at 12:04:52 PM PDT

  •  Airport security is a facade, note recent trip (13+ / 0-)

    to Hawaii of a teenager in the wheel well of a jet.  And this isn't the first time this kind of thing has happened.  If teenagers can climb into jet wheel wells, that would seem to indicate that there's something rather slack with basic airport security.  

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Tue May 06, 2014 at 12:11:46 PM PDT

  •  Unfortunately, Bob Johnson is ... (5+ / 0-)
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    just like Steve King and Louie Gohmert and Michele Bachmann. Don't let a medical degree fool ya.

    He's wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross/gun.


    Caution: Reality in the mirror may be closer than it appears.

    by glb3 on Tue May 06, 2014 at 12:22:47 PM PDT

    •  Not to be confused with... (0+ / 0-)

      OUR Bob Johnson!  :-)

      But that is a whole 'nother story!

      "Hate speech is a form of vandalism. It defaces the environment, and like a broken window, if left untended, signals to other hoodlums that the coast is clear to do more damage." -- Gregory Rodriguez

      by Naniboujou on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:57:07 PM PDT

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  •  What does Rex say about this? (12+ / 0-)

    Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

    by Matt Z on Tue May 06, 2014 at 12:45:55 PM PDT

  •  The system seems to be relaxing, anyway (3+ / 0-)
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    For a homebody type I had the unusual experience recently of having to fly four times in about one month. On three of those flights, to my surprise, I was directed to the TSA Precheck line. This was not something I had applied for, or paid for, (which seems by the description to be necessary in most cases). Nevertheless, the security staffer who is usually barking at passengers about taking off shoes and jackets, putting lap tops in the bin, etc. was instead barking at us to keep our shoes on, do not remove lap tops or baggies of toiletries, keep belts on, etc. So we shuffled along getting yelled at just like the regular folks, but were spared arriving on the other side in our bare feet. Still don't know why I got in this exclusive company - on one flight I was with colleagues, and they had to go through the regular process.

    “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

    by Catte Nappe on Tue May 06, 2014 at 01:53:59 PM PDT

    •  seemed also to join this club (1+ / 0-)
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      which I am thinking is tied to passport data as well, It was much more pleasant and even the minions were friendlier and annoyed that I knew enough about my shoes to know that they wouldn't allow me to step through their portal without setting it off, so I took them off...

      Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

      by annieli on Tue May 06, 2014 at 03:26:39 PM PDT

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      •  My sneaking suspicion (1+ / 0-)
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        Age and gender factors. I doubt I was the only one in our group with a passport.

        “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

        by Catte Nappe on Tue May 06, 2014 at 04:33:30 PM PDT

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    •  Good for you (1+ / 0-)
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      I travel all the time but never get into the privileged pre-check lines. Bet it feels good for you, but I'm stuck with the idiots.

      I completely agree with this republican fool. TSA is out of control, and indoctrination actually seems to me to be a possible partial explanation.

      I blame Obama as much as bush, maybe more, because so much time has passed and he hasn't made any effort to readdress this crap.

      •  Sorry about that (0+ / 0-)

        As a frequent traveler you should probably be exempt from the hassle more than I was. By now they should have figured you were unlikely to be a threat. I was pretty much an unknown quantity.

        “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

        by Catte Nappe on Tue May 06, 2014 at 04:03:27 PM PDT

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        •  Maybe they track my negative comments (1+ / 0-)
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          On this site. NSAs gotta do something with all that money I guess. I'm joking but since the program is totally opaque and I seem to be excluded, i don't have much confidence. I even maxed out on my Obama contributions... Should that get me anything?

          Only consolation I have is that the other day the pre-check line was actually longer and slower than my regular shlep line! Made me feel warm inside.

  •  Why are so many Republican politician doctors (2+ / 0-)
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    such flagrant jerks!

    From his website. How can an Army ranger prefer terrorism?

    Savannah ENT doctor who sub-specializes in head & neck cancer surgery, retired Army Ranger, and Christian medical missionary

  •  Lucky guy, (0+ / 0-)

    He's in line for a twofer!

    "the northern lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see. Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge, I cremated Sam McGee". - Robert Service, Bard of the Yukon

    by Joe Jackson on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:22:33 PM PDT

  •  The crazy is becoming deafening (1+ / 0-)
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    And it's all happened in the last thirty years. First it was Rush Limbaugh...then along came The Fox "News" Propaganda Channel...then came a thousand Rush clones across the AM dial...and finally came the Internet, which allowed all the previously hidden and scorned sociopaths to find other sociopaths and together become dangerous.

    I'm old enough to remember back when Republicans actually tried to hide the fact that they were more batshit insane than the John Birch Society.

    "Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?" - General Jack D. Ripper

    by wilder5121 on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:27:39 PM PDT

  •  The only reason the GOP hates the TSA (3+ / 0-)
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    is because they are blue collar government employees, full stop.

  •  If statesmen don't take the lead on the "total (1+ / 0-)
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    security state," other people will. I remember Hillary talking about how scared New Yorkers were and they demanded PATRIOT. Since TSA kabuki is probably not doing anything to stop terrorism, and the absolute spying on every citizen seems for naught, who is gonna take the lead on this issue? Who is even going to have a discussion about it? Not Hillary. Not Obama. So you want to leave it to Rand Paul or Bob Johnson?

    "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

    by shmuelman on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:29:57 PM PDT

  •  Too Bad He Is In A Red District (0+ / 0-)

    Still can let people know in purple districts that it is a package deal. You vote in your Republican who might be a bit more circumspect and you get the yahoos too working the majority.

  •  I'll bet the dude wouldn't be opposed to having... (0+ / 0-)

    ...transpeople have to have their junk explored.

  •  You know what? (0+ / 0-)

    Benghazzziiiio!!!!!

    A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

    by onionjim on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:33:24 PM PDT

  •  I'm Willing to Cut Enough Fatherland Security (3+ / 0-)
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    to balance the federal budget, move to NYC or just outside Fort Knox and take my chances.

    Leaving aside domestic sex control terrorists, I think banjos are a bigger risk for average Americans than terrorists are.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:34:16 PM PDT

  •  Give me speedy check-in or give me death. (4+ / 0-)

    Our government is not yet small enough to drown in a bathtub. That doesn't mean it can't be waterboarded.

    by furrfu on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:34:53 PM PDT

  •  The TSA is disgusting security theater (3+ / 0-)
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    that does nothing to keep us secure.  Rather they are designed to keep us in our place, unless you have the money to bypass their cancer causing machines or sexual groping.

    I don't get the outrage at the statement.  The TSA and DHS are abominations to a representative republic and are more at home in places like the former USSR.

    And maybe retask some of those jackassess who read our emails into doing actual police/spy work and be a thousand percent more effective at catching the "bad guys."

    Hillary does not have the benefit of a glib tongue.

    by The Dead Man on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:39:50 PM PDT

  •  Man, this is a righteous rant (1+ / 0-)
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    I almost thought I was reading Bob Johnson!

  •  Privatize the TSA and I'm sure his complaints (4+ / 0-)
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    would disappear.  His biggest complaint is no doubt the fact that the TSA is comprised of well-paid, unionized, government workers.  Turn them into minimum wage, poorly trained, wage slaves working for the airlines and I'm sure he'd be just fine with it.

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:44:21 PM PDT

  •  I have a theory about security theory (1+ / 0-)
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    I think the big threat to aviation after 9/11 was not a terrorist attack, but constantly panicked and paranoid passengers. We know the type - eyeing every swarthy person on the plane with deep fear.

    Hysterically afraid passengers are not good for aviation - a single one can delay a flight, or worse, cause it to land before its destination.

    I suspect security theater is for this tiny,  but potentially destructive, minority, a placebo for hysteria.

  •  This descendant of Patrick Henry (0+ / 0-)

    thinks that guy is a huge, effin, hyperbolic, hair-on-fire, idiot.

    I don't know if that counts for anything or not though.

    But I'm fairly certain that a lot of the bullshit the Regressives have been pulling lately would have my ancestor up in arms with fiery oratory - (were he still with us).

    Also, I always, as loudly as I can, when I am in the "security" line, make comments about how that bullshit isn't actually keeping us safe, it's designed to give us a warm fuzzy and the appearance of keeping us safe.

    It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness- Unknown -7.50, -5.03

    by dawgflyer13 on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:47:24 PM PDT

    •  P. Henry was an evil hypocritical slave owner (0+ / 0-)

      Don't care because he belongs in The ninth circle of hell with the other betrayers.

      I voted today because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

      by a2nite on Tue May 06, 2014 at 03:30:54 PM PDT

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  •  I'm not so keen on TSA myself, (2+ / 0-)
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    but I think it's time to leave Patrick Henry out of the absolute liberty discussions.
    He was, after all, the man who refused to free his slaves because he admitted it was too inconvenient for him to live without them.
    I doubt he'd care about whether or not we the plebians have to stand in line or take off our shoes. Were he alive today he'd undoubtedly be getting special treatment as a VIP.

  •  Thugs have nutured the reptile brain to pt they go (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    t nothing else in their head.  

    Hulk smash?  Nope.  He could at least put words together in a semi-coherent stream.

    More like Gojira eat!

  •  I very much dislike the TSA, but I would never go (1+ / 0-)
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    vcmvo2

    so far as to wish a tragedy like another aircraft hijacking and tragedy on anyone:  Even the cretins like this Tea Bag/Republican "doctor".

    “My soul is from elsewhere, I'm sure of that, and I intend to end up there." - Rumi

    by LamontCranston on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:53:10 PM PDT

  •  I've gotta say... (1+ / 0-)
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    Medium Head Boy

    Considering how arbitrary and porous TSA rules/procedures are, and how you can buy your way around a good number of them...  I don't totally disagree with him.

    “The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all or cannot do so well for themselves”- Lincoln

    by commonscribe on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:54:12 PM PDT

  •  Slow boil (1+ / 0-)
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    interesting.

    I've been through many countries that have great security at the airports.  No place is like here.  I don't like the way the TSA is run.  I don't know that we need it.  I don't know that it has made anything any safer.  The xray machine thing is just plain bad.  (We could spend less money and be less invasive and be more protected with specially trained dogs).  

    Funny, the same things actions that receive a positive response under Bush, now are receiving a negative spin now from the same group of people.  Hypocrisy, Brain Farts, Alien implants..., cognitive dissonance... plain old dumb bunnies... (apologies to real rabbits).  I don't understand it, but as always the key is often to listen, address the concern and attempt to problem solve together.

    Blessings to all involved, and may the masses continue to wake up.

  •  Hunter: did Japan bomb the Alamo before or after (5+ / 0-)

    the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? :)

    We don't want our country back, we want our country FORWARD. --Eclectablog

    by Samer on Tue May 06, 2014 at 02:59:12 PM PDT

  •  Since the pressure on these nutters to always... (0+ / 0-)

    have to outdo each other is unrelenting, it's just a matter of time before one of them says that he'd rather see another Holocaust than deal with Obamacare.

    "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius." -- Arnaud Amaury

    by terremoto on Tue May 06, 2014 at 03:01:56 PM PDT

  •  The guy's an asshat, but except for the (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    conspiracy of training citizens to accept being prodded as some trojan horse I find myself in agreement with the base concept of not being willing to give up basic freedoms for the illusion of security and at the real cost of billions spent for bullshit.

    The entire TSA screening crap is nothing more than window dressing and a welfare program for big business, especially Michael Chertoff's who built up the TSA and then left to make millions by selling to Homeland Security the scanners. Many studies have shown they can be easily fooled.

    All the process does is to create a bottleneck that any willing terrorist could exploit by rolling a big carryon full of explosives to the screening area. Who needs to blow up an actual plane when you could kill far more right there in the airport. Stupid, wasteful, and abusive of the citizenry.

    And yes, I AM willing to risk attacks to preserve liberty. The safest place is solitary confinement.

    I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. - Susan B. Anthony Everything good a man can be, a dog already is. - pajoly

    by pajoly on Tue May 06, 2014 at 03:18:59 PM PDT

  •  Trust a republican to follow the right track (1+ / 0-)
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    ... to the wrong conclusion.

    We absolutely should accept some level of terrorist attacks as inevitable, rather than chase the will-o-the-wisp that is absolute assurance.

    But he's conflating comfort and convenience with liberty.

    Now there are legitimate reasons to criticize the TSA, such as their practice of security theater, or spending too much on high tech gizmos from politically connected vendors.  But if they stuck to reasonable security measures there would still be discomfort and inconvenience.

    I've lost my faith in nihilism

    by grumpynerd on Tue May 06, 2014 at 03:20:04 PM PDT

    •  Love. Love. Love your tag line! (0+ / 0-)

      "Hate speech is a form of vandalism. It defaces the environment, and like a broken window, if left untended, signals to other hoodlums that the coast is clear to do more damage." -- Gregory Rodriguez

      by Naniboujou on Tue May 06, 2014 at 06:49:27 PM PDT

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  •  they loved the TSA when Bush was prez. (1+ / 0-)
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    they told us that if you complained, that the prez was protecting our freedoms with the rules and regulations.

    Now, I guess, it's the black president who is taking our freedoms away with the same rules and regulations.

    I guess they were actually for it before they were against it.  

  •  I think what is meant here... (0+ / 0-)

    ... is "Fuck off, any and all Republicans and everyone stupid enough to vote for them"

    No human being has any excuse for supporting this - or any other - Republican candidate.

  •  Thank you for a Boss rant. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Just imagine if a Democrat said that. nt. (0+ / 0-)

    I'll always be...King of Bain...I'll always be...King of Bain

    by AZphilosopher on Tue May 06, 2014 at 03:24:52 PM PDT

  •  It's the... (0+ / 0-)

    "I'm God" complex that makes these idiots do what they do. (sorry, God I don't mean to disrespect you)  I think every Dr. has to take and pass "I'm God 101, 201, and 301." before they get their degree.  By the time they finish these courses, they're convinced they really are God, perfect, and anyone who doesn't agree with them is an ignorant ass.  IMHO

  •  I've hated the TSA & The so-called (0+ / 0-)

    "Homeland Security" department since Bush created it. Some security needed fine tuning but that's all.

    I repeatedly have bumped up against the stupid TSA and their odd fetish about liquids, particularly toothpaste, foundation, creams and cosmetics for awhile now. But no matter how I complained I was told by all and sundry during the Bush years, that "they were just doing their Jobs" etc.

    It made travelling a nasty, experience mostly because they persisted in ever racheting up the hysteria about things that previously had been random, innocent objects.

    I have noticed that the TSA has been less harsh  and more cooperative over the last year or so. BUT it's still largely an unwieldy and unnecessary  part of life. The problem is, once you start a bureaucracy as big and as convoluted as the TSA there is no way to dismantle it. Still that Republican doctor is an ass, who would wish that about 3,000 people die so that he doesn't have to be inconvenienced, and then to hide behind Patrick Henry's rage over a lack of representation and tyranny by an occupying force to cover up for his dishonesty is just typical.

    Blessed are the hearts that can bend; for they can never be broken Albert Camus

    by vcmvo2 on Tue May 06, 2014 at 03:52:11 PM PDT

  •  Patrick Henry was not a founder of our Republic. (0+ / 0-)

    He refused to attend the Constitutional Convention saying that he
    '...smell a rat in Philadelphia, tending toward the monarchy..'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    Yet this 'doctor' says he was a founder of our Republic.

    Conservatives live in an alternate Universe.

  •  Everyone is "indoctrinating" us according to them (0+ / 0-)

    Part is they are the ones "brainwashing" their own people with false impressions and ideas.  They are a font of misinformation.  
    Sure would hate to have one of these so called Drs. treat me or my loved ones.  You probably here quack,quack when you sit in their offices.  Imagine the false information they dispense.  "Take 2 Evangelicals and call a Fundamentalist in the morning". If you aren't saved we will abort you if you are over 9 months in the womb.  Oh,you're much older than that,well we will deny all benefits to you.

  •  a stopped clock (0+ / 0-)
    I’d rather see another terrorist attack, truly I would, than to give up my liberty as an American citizen
    This is the kind of thing idiots used to say about wearing seatbelts when they were driving. Or idiots currently say about lightbulbs and toilets. As though the founding fathers were concerned with petty little inconveniences.

    The argument against the TSA is that it's a huge boondoggle. The TSA doesn't prevent terror attacks. But this idiot's argument against the TSA is premised on the idea that it does.

    So while I agree with him, this is clearly just a case of that old adage: a stopped clock is right twice a day.

  •  I think he's right (1+ / 0-)
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    How about connecting the dots between lowering our expectations of privacy for the TSA and lowering our expectations of privacy for the NSA? Both agencies assure us that by ceding unprecedented power to them, they guarantee they will keep us safe. (Until they don't, and then they demand even more ratcheting up of the surveillance state—this time, we’ve really got them.)

  •  "The purpose of a system is what it does" (1+ / 0-)
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    Caoimhin Laochdha

    That's a piece of wisdom that will serve you well. The world makes more sense when you realize that the purpose of the military-industrial complex is what it does, pouring money into Congressional districts. That's one example.

    What is the purpose of the TSA? What do they do?

    They funnel money to well-connected contractors. They make people get used to the idea that the government can touch them without permission on parts of the body normally covered by underwear.

    Anyone considering a dog for personal safety should treat that decision as seriously as they would buying a gun.

    by Dogs are fuzzy on Tue May 06, 2014 at 10:11:45 PM PDT

  •  A hundred comments (2+ / 0-)
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    FrankRose, Caoimhin Laochdha

    chock full of criticizing Republicans about the TSA, with apparently zero realizing that the act which created it passed the Senate 100-0.

    I guess the appropriate Democratic response is "I'm shocked, shocked to find that this poorly thought-out knee-jerk response to a tragedy that I jumped on the bandwagon to vote for has turned out to be a total cock-up..."

    Who could have known?

  •  He's correct that we don't need the TSA (0+ / 0-)

    He is also correct that the TSA does more harm than good - assuming it has any value at all.

    This GOP wing-nut is just full of shit about why the TSA is there and what the TSA is (not) doing.

    Our airlines are perfectly safe and having a federal agency to harrass passengers -- under the pretense of keeping us safe -- is ridiculous.

    I'd rather we use our limited state resources to protect us from real dangers. It's sickening to see our fear-induced need to waste human and financial resources on theater-of-the-absurd operations such as TSA airport security check-in lines.

    sláinte,
    cl
    -- Religion is like sodomy: both can be harmless when practiced between consenting adults but neither should be imposed upon children.

    by Caoimhin Laochdha on Wed May 07, 2014 at 05:02:12 PM PDT

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