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  •  So funny...yet so true n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

    by tekno2600 on Wed May 07, 2014 at 04:07:38 PM PDT

  •  There's always turning death row inmates loose in (5+ / 0-)

    Albuquerque and telling APD there is a homeless person bothering nobody.

    Legal means "good".
    [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

    by xxdr zombiexx on Wed May 07, 2014 at 04:09:38 PM PDT

  •  You should watch this. Before making jokes. (0+ / 0-)

    Once you put convenient, lethal force in the mix, liberty becomes a zero sum game. -- DIgby on open carry.

    by Rikon Snow on Wed May 07, 2014 at 04:10:21 PM PDT

    •  Prisons totally out of control. (3+ / 0-)

      Greed. Corporatism.

      Private for-profit prisons are WRONG.

      However, there are a tiny handful of people who actually belong in prison. Let's not let the shitty state of corporate prisons put society at needless risk.

      Let's try not to forget that some humans are very dangerous no matter how much people want to hug them and wail about their fate.

      ANd, really, get rid of the death sentence and make very liberal use of Life without Parole and the prisons WILL get filled up, and mostly with people who truly need to be there.

      Legal means "good".
      [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

      by xxdr zombiexx on Wed May 07, 2014 at 04:14:30 PM PDT

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      •  Big corporate prison systems really pay off... (1+ / 0-)
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        for big corporate prison systems and their political supporters.  The big bank and mortgage CEO's should be filling up those jails...not school children that are late for class or someone who gets caught with pot.

        I think jails should be a means of rehabilitation, not a place to house, feed and provide medical care for decades for the irredeemable.  Who needs prisons full of the irredeemable?

        •  at daily kos it is fashionable to be against (0+ / 0-)

          the death penalty.

          im not terribly opposd to it but here in the 21st Century i cannot help but notice NOTHING gets done correctly. LWP allows innocent people convicted via out of control prosecutorial misconduct to still be alive once the misconduct is discovered.

          but it is alos not too much to ask that people quit committing crimes.

          im 53 and have raped or killed nobody.

          it can be done.

          Legal means "good".
          [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

          by xxdr zombiexx on Thu May 08, 2014 at 03:08:31 AM PDT

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          •  The innocent are cleared of wrongdoing by DNA (0+ / 0-)

            evidence...the same way that incontrovertible proof of guilt is obtained.  I would not want any innocent people to be put to death, but there are plenty of truly guilty people who the taxpayers don't have to house, feed and provide medical care for during their lifetimes.  What's the point of keeping them hanging around for decades?

            I also don't believe that the means of death should be turned over to the medical community...there are other ways to execute them...the gas chamber, electric chair or firing squad...more fitting as "punishment" for their crimes.  To try and "soften" their punishment is only a cop-out to ease the conscience of the "bleeding hearts" and does the medical community a disservice, since they should be involved with saving lives, not taking them.

            This may have been "warped", like every other social issue over the past three decades, into a liberal/conservative "battleground", but really, it's only common sense.

            •  Just my sig line (1+ / 0-)
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              JerryNA

              In the immortal words of the great Stan Lee... "Nuff said."

              Never trust anyone who considers "bleeding heart" to be an insult.

              by jayfrenchstudios on Thu May 08, 2014 at 08:56:36 PM PDT

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              •  Maybe you might not trust me... (0+ / 0-)

                but I don't hide the fact that I don't much care if these  monsters are executed behind a veil of "painless euthanasia".  

                I also won't shoot and bury your daughter alive...nor would I rape and murder your little baby.  Maybe your "trust" is misplaced.

                •  Ah... extremism, the first sign of a lost cause. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Being against the death penalty, surprisingly, does not mean being pro-murderer.
                  Just as being a supporter of Obama does not make me a worshiper of Obama, which is the reflex the right often jumps to.  Support does not equate a sense of infallibility.

                  The point of my sig line is to point out that compassion is NOT a character flaw.  Obviously a murderer or rapist lacks compassion as well, even more so.  Obviously... I would trust them even less.  
                  Having been the parent of a child who was victimized, I very much understand the desire for vengeance, but that's not the role of the justice system.  It's not the "Vengeance System."  All studies have shown that the use of the death penalty has no deterrent affects.  Also, killing to show that killing is wrong is simply counter-intuitive.

                  Along with many other reasons, one of the primary ones to oppose the death penalty is the amount who have been found innocent after the fact.  One is too many.  Death is, as yet, irreversible.  Though it would seem that the victim in question in this case was clearly guilty of heinous crimes, that factor still remains as a general truth.  We should also never celebrate the suffering of another, for sadism is NOT a virtue.  Like our abusive prison system, the infliction of torture stains us all, and only leads to turning non-violent criminals into angry, violent ones upon release.

                  Never trust anyone who considers "bleeding heart" to be an insult.

                  by jayfrenchstudios on Sat May 10, 2014 at 11:50:56 AM PDT

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                  •  I can't understand where "compassion, vengeance or (0+ / 0-)

                    "torture" come into the conversation in the first place.  One doesn't have to have NO compassion to want to see these monsters out of our world...but the compassion should be directed to where it's due...to the victim and his/her family.  

                    My heart hurts for anyone who has been a victim of violence, since I think of how my mother would have felt if something had happened to me...or I, if something had happened to her.  It devastates so many people and most of the victims are women and children...those who cannot fight back and win.  I wonder if we would be having this discussion if most of the victims were men.

                    "Vengence" can also be a "slippery slope".  We've all heard the phrase "Lock him up and throw away the key".  Many people believe that keeping someone in jail for half a century is more "fitting punishment" than death.  I just feel that it's a waste of taxpayer money, which could be put to better use in rehabilitating less serious offenders, many who are serving life terms that they don't deserve.

                    "Torture" is another smoke screen, since this execution was not a deliberate attempt to make the guy suffer.  It was a "humane" execution that got botched, that's all.  Things like this could easily be avoided if capital punishment was just that..."punishment"...and not a conscience-salving "euthanasia".  A firing squad would have guaranteed a very quick death.  We feel that the use of euthanasia is not lawful for those who are suffering from painful and lingering terminal illnesses and want to die, so the drugs that should be used to quickly and painlessly alleviate suffering are not sold to us by the drug companies that make them because we have misused them on criminals.

                    No need to execute those whose guilt is in doubt.  The margin for error in capital murder cases has narrowed considerably since DNA testing and there are plenty of people on death row whose guilt is proven.  It just doesn't make any sense to me to keep them hanging around.

                    I hope that your child survived and that time will ease the trauma.  I'm very sorry that it happened.  These terrible things have become too common today...or maybe they're just reported more.

        •  How can you tell those who can be rehabilitated (0+ / 0-)

          from the irredeemable?  Or do you try housing them in the same facility and sorting them out later?  As long as a sentence to hard labor remains the one exception to the 13th anti-slavery amendment, we can have American prisoners competing with Chinese coolies and working poor in various less-developed nations.  Where that is not an option, we can resort to subsistence agriculture, and taking the most able-bodies among the prisoners out to work on infrastructure.

          •  Who would you like to see back out on the street.. (0+ / 0-)

            someone who rapes and murders a little baby or someone who got caught three times with drugs...yet both types of lifers without parole are housed in the same facilities...plumping up the "bottom line" of for-profit prisons.  They've even added kids who are late for school into nice, new juvenile detention facilities...maybe, in the not-so distant future, they will start serving life sentences in the big corporate prison system.

            Since, over the last three decades, we already have huge numbers of non-offending American workers "competing with Chinese coolies and working poor in various less developed nations", the need to have prisoners doing it for free can only mean that neocon politician's greedy rich campaign donors in big corporations and agriculture would like more savings than they are already getting from the minimum wages and no benefits that they give their employees...along with the tax breaks, subsidies, incentives and deregulations that their "bought and paid for" political puppets give them at our expense.

            While not a single CEO of one of the big banks that wrecked our economy and perpetrated a mortgage "ponzi scheme" served a day in jail, the free-market economy that profited them so inordinately will keep the rest of the American serfs in their place through an increasingly harsh police and justice system...freely voted for by the victims.

  •  So we can't imprison people now, either! (1+ / 0-)
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    No wonder support for the death penalty is so persistent.

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Wed May 07, 2014 at 04:21:21 PM PDT

    •  Look at it this way, with our ever growing prison (1+ / 0-)
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      zinxeb

      system before long 1% of population will be in active lockup. Once we achieve that being a felon will no longer be "unusual" thus we' can declare the problem as solved.

      GOP 2014 strategy -- Hire clowns, elephants, and a ringmaster and say "a media circus" has emerged and blame Democrats for lack of progress. Have pundits agree that "both sides are to blame" and hope the public will stay home on election day.

      by ontheleftcoast on Wed May 07, 2014 at 04:27:52 PM PDT

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    •  We Can't Imprison Now? (1+ / 0-)
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      AaronInSanDiego

      How is pointing out that our prison system is cruel equal to saying we can't imprison people? How about we just make prison not cruel?

      Though your logic is so popular no wonder support for the death penalty is so persistent.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Wed May 07, 2014 at 08:24:19 PM PDT

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  •  Virtual Vengeance Simulators (1+ / 0-)
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    jessical

    Actually, that virtual vengeance simulators idea is extremely good. It's a bit sick, but we are a very sick people and I think it suits us. I'm not kidding. We should do that.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Wed May 07, 2014 at 08:22:53 PM PDT

  •  I've said it before and I'll say it again... (4+ / 0-)

    I wish America had a justice system instead of a revenge system.

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