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Unemployment black and blues....

Some might say that our pitiful job market has improved. Others with numbers may spin them into a “recovery” of the market. Without numbers, I could choose to be cautious.  Except,  I am not writing about numbers. I write about people and how they live without those digits that come in the form of income. Long term unemployment devastates people, who often disappear, undeserving of numbers. How do people count without direct deposit, except perhaps, as a liability?  Some people give up searching. Without unemployment assistance how are they tracked? Others force-ably “retire” falling back on bits of cash that were only meant as cushion, not habitat.

From personal experience, chronic lack of work and income is currently at its' cruelest on many counts.  I wrote a piece years ago on the ways unemployment hurts beyond money and how to ameliorate the suffering. After joining Daily Kos, I posted it May of 2011 (Coping with job loss. Not Just About Money) A reader requested a re-post which I neglected to do hoping its' importance might soon pass. Is re-post sadly in order? For now, I offer some new thoughts hoping these words are entirely without need....

Chronic job search can be a trek through terrain loaded with traps. You may quickly be caught in an exhausting emotional cycle. First comes the high.. when you find and apply for a job that seems to be perfect. With the final “click” fantasy ensues as you imagine recovery, finally having the funds to whittle away the long list of unmet needs. Alas, you suffer even greater lows as silence ensues. And, it outlasts even the best of highs dragging you down for weeks rather than that flash of high that may come and go in hours. Do you fit that pattern?

Panic is also a frequent pitfall.  Use caution for what can easily become a frenzied, ceaseless search. From there, you may slide into a state of desperation and take risks that are unwise. You may spend money on training, buying software which is the latest for your profession or attempt to launch something entirely new that offers promises of certain returns. Think thrice, if any 'opportunity' requires you put down cash first.  Consult with someone, nearly anyone not associated with the possibility. Being desperate, you may not smell a clever rat that might be an obvious stink to others. This may include the scam job offer that look very legitimate. I have seen one up close whose origin was the Middle East. It was only obvious after finding a near identical email “offer” on a website that tracked international fraud.  

Another form of quicksand is becoming obsessed with your search. What else can you do when you can't pay bills? Can't buy your meds?  Eviction, repossession of belongings or hunger; these are all real reasons to feel like you MUST do something. Perhaps in the past you finally got a job after a long search. Job ends then beware! You tasted the reward long enough to ensnare you into a maddening addiction. You are driven to keep searching till you are half mad with worry just knowing a job will come your way; the same way a gambler becomes addicted to making just one more bet or feeling sure that this slot has got to pay off sooner or later.
Enter the “I'll take anything” mode.  It is typically held in abeyance as a last case-easy out.
This certainly may feed you but often this last resort job is assumed to be easy to obtain when you finally choose it. Even these uncoveted jobs may be difficult to get. And you find your desperation deepen further still.

As nuts as it may sound, sometimes you have to stop. I am not advocating giving up. What might be in order is changing your strategy.  Doing something different from what you have done seemingly a million times. Consult. Talk to someone. Cry on a shoulder. How about a congressional shoulder? Do they even know you are still there? Still searching for work? Don't beat yourself up after arriving at conclusions you are not ever likely to prove. Stop thinking of yourself as inadequate as a worker/professional. There truly can be one hundred reasons you are not hired that have nothing whatsoever to with you.

Have you ever known someone who has a job but who is lousy on the job? What about someone who should be fired? But they never seem to go away. Or maybe a majority who mostly remain employed for a lifetime and are mediocre? There are not many types of work that require the doer to be exceptional, like highly paid artists or athletes.  Who doesn't know a lousy doctor/specialist to be solidly employed?  Employers in hire mode, indeed, try to psych every potential applicant into believing they seek and can find the ideal candidate. It ain't gonna happen. No one is perfect. Maybe employed but not perfect. So ease up on yourself and imagine the successes you have had in your work. The longer you are unemployed, the harder it may be to give yourself credit. It is the nature of this beast.  

My original diary has ideas on how to cope without a job. Find what works for you.
One additional caution. Have a plan. A, B and C if you can. How long can you wait for that elusive job before your life is not yours anymore? Before eviction happens or you are simply out of money? Many friends and family may say “it will never happen! You can live with me/us”. As much as your loved ones wish to help, that offer may only be meant to console, not rescue. You must face real possibility before it happens. This was a painful exercise used when I worked in a shelter for battered women. They often suffered a similar cycle. Being sheltered meant being beaten or threatened enough to flee. Shelter, sadly, can only serve as a time out with a return home being the beginning of one more cycle.

Don't wait too long to prepare for the worst, a job that never happens. Don't spend your last dime hanging on when unpleasant choices, that may be temporary, are possible. Whether it be to sell possessions, downsize your living space, take in or be a room mate, choose underemployment rather than being unemployed. Answers are not easy. Reasons for unemployment are many. Consequences, however unfair, may be yours to suffer. Give in to something rather than giving up. Hopefully, there is something here you can find to ease your unemployment blues, even if it is to stop blaming yourself.

I would be most happy to know this diary has no readers, provided that means no need. But if you are out there, do you recognize yourself in any counting or data? Do you see yourself in the news? If you are in sufficient numbers, why are you not news?! Who is counting those who still can't count on income?

Originally posted to boty on Sat May 10, 2014 at 05:53 PM PDT.

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  •  You have described my life perfectly (26+ / 0-)

    When I was laid off for the first time in my life I was desperate. I searched for a job relentlessly. Finally after eighteen months I landed a job. That job lasted eighteen months and now here I am unemployed again. The difference now is that I don't even look for a job anymore. No one will hire me because I'm 65 years old. I am one of those people you hear about in the news who have given up looking for work and now I don't count as unemployed.

  •  I'm unemployed but my situation is (12+ / 0-)

    a little different. I went through nursing school and was working as a residential aide and living in Philly by myself and then I had a nervous breakdown and had to be hospitalized after Xmas. I shortly went to Chicago to live with my parents after that and have just started looking for jobs again. Trying to decide if I want to work in healthcare anymore or not. Just thought I would share.

    I love president Obama!!!

    by freakofsociety on Sat May 10, 2014 at 06:33:17 PM PDT

  •  The company I worked for closed (21+ / 0-)

    One of the perils of working for start-ups.  After exhausting my UI benefits, I got fortunate that a previous employer and a family member both needed my skills..... but only as an independent contractor.  So I'm working two "jobs", one only because I can bank that check to cover the higher taxes of being self-employed.

    I've answered hundreds of want ads, and realizing that I'm functionally unemployable at 53 has been a huge blow.  Even if the economy improves on a rocket-to-the-moon trajectory, I'm still not going to be most companies' first choice to hire, no matter how qualified I am.

    I know I'm one of the lucky ones; I'm able to cobble together enough income to cover my bills.  But I'm aware that I could be back out pounding the pavement with no UI as a back-up, and it scares the hell out of me.

    The mental stress, IMHO, is at least as bad as the financial stress.  No wonder people are so angry.

    (aka NobleExperiments). ‎"Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible make a violent revolution inevitable" ~ John F. Kennedy

    by smrichmond on Sat May 10, 2014 at 07:20:37 PM PDT

    •  Freelancers need a union (6+ / 0-)

      Freelancers need a union, I think. I there's a "Freelancers Union" but it seems to me its benefits are pretty limited and it's very East-Coast-based.

      I see you're in radio? Oh that's gotta be a tough gig these days. Are you on twitter? Seems like I see a lot of radio folks on twitter. Might be good place to make connections.

      •  Thanks for the reminder to update my profile here (9+ / 0-)

        I've been radio for more than a decade, but I left the station in January.  It was for a small local non-profit station, so it probably won't be a big recommendation if I go back to radio.  But I had one thought of voice-over work.  Hmmm......

        I've been doing IT and web design since the days where you coded everything by hand (a skill that still comes in handy once in a while), so that's what I'm doing as a contractor.  I'm also trying to pick up little one-off jobs as time permits.

        A freelancer's union would be a great idea.  My partner used to be a labor organizer, but it never occurred to me to check out the possibilities here on the Left Coast.

        RedwoodGirl, thanks for starting my wheels turning this morning.  :-)

        (aka NobleExperiments). ‎"Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible make a violent revolution inevitable" ~ John F. Kennedy

        by smrichmond on Sun May 11, 2014 at 09:07:50 AM PDT

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      •  This would never work (2+ / 0-)
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        RiveroftheWest, skybluewater

        Unions work when there is a labor shortage. By getting into the process of procuring labor, the union can be a strong helper to the workers.

        But unions REQUIRE the ability to RESTRICT THE ACCESS TO HIRING. And this is currently not a possibility. The process of hiring is entirely private, concealed, and out of the public view.

        In other words, unions will never again be a force in the US. The entire union model is dead.

        What has killed unions? An excess of labor availability. Where did they succeed before? In places where access to work could be restricted. In S IL, the coal strike worked because the worker access to the work site could be controlled by the strikers. That would never be allowed today. The strikers would be arrested, blackballed from the industry, and would never work again.

        •  Unions need to buy majority shares. (1+ / 0-)
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          Every publicly traded company is a takeover target.  So take them over and drain the HR swamp.

          -7.75 -4.67

          "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

          There are no Christians in foxholes.

          by Odysseus on Sun May 11, 2014 at 09:53:13 PM PDT

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        •  Answering a troll, but here goes. (0+ / 0-)

          If you are going to spout anti-union propaganda, please provide some data to back your opinions. I'm willing to learn.

          I think workers need to organize, just like owners and managers do. The organizing body can be called a union or an onion, it doesn't matter. The point is to organize! The owners do, why not workers?

          What has killed unions? An excess of labor availability.
          Hahahahahahahahahaha! Reagan. Thank you for the opportunity to again point out what a dick that asshole was.

          PATCO

          In 2003, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, speaking on the legacy of Ronald Reagan noted:
              Perhaps the most important, and then highly controversial, domestic initiative was the firing of the air traffic controllers in August 1981. The President invoked the law that striking government employees forfeit their jobs, an action that unsettled those who cynically believed no President would ever uphold that law. President Reagan prevailed, as you know, but far more importantly his action gave weight to the legal right of private employers, previously not fully exercised, to use their own discretion to both hire and discharge workers.
          Private employers then proceeded to exercise the hell out of their new-found legal right to destroy organized labor. I'm pretty sure that's how it happened.
          •  The ability to restrict workers (0+ / 0-)

            is what allows unions to form.

            Unionization in the last 30 years is ALMOST nonexistant. If I
            m wrong (which I might be), please provide a list of successful unionization drives. WalMart? They fire everyone, then rehire from the legion of job seekers that shows up.

            Skilled trades? Much has been offshored. What's here is scared shitless and propagandized into fear.

            I'm moderately pro-union. Unlike you, I see the actual events, not just the rosy idealized view that you have. And your comment is fact-free - aside from calling me a troll, you have nothing there but comments from Greenspan.

            So, if I'm wrong, you will be able to provide a list of unionization drives in the last 20 years that have been successful. I'll check back occassionally.

            •  Sorry, I really thought you were trolling (0+ / 0-)

              and I learned my lesson. We have different opinions, that's all. I'd have to become a pretzel to agree with you about Reagan not being the destroyer-in-chief. I thought the links I provided spoke to that. If it seems fact-free to you, oh well shrug.

              I could not glean from your comments that you are moderately pro-union. I'm sorry you live in such a shit world where no one has the right answer. In a very precarious economic position myself, I know how stressful it can be.

              Good luck to you WorkerInUSA, I'm gonna keep fighting for good jobs here in California, organized or not!

    •  Been There - Still There (12+ / 0-)

      Most online applications ask for educational background with dates of degrees. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to calculate how old you are.

      Maggie Kuhn organized the Gray Panthers in Philly 30 years ago to combat ageism. You see it everywhere - including, unfortunately, on this blog.

      The number of articles that talk about the limited prospects of over-50 and unemployed is truly depressing. I know revolution is usually the purview of the younger generation - but I think there are enough of us - - - -

      •  It pays to go back to school... (4+ / 0-)

        Although I got my first associate degree (general ed) in 1994, I list only my second associate degree (computer programming) from 2007 on my resume. Most people assume that I recently entered the workforce until they get into the nitty-gritty details of my resume.

        Since I got my certifications prior getting my last degree, one hiring manager accused me of having "paper" certifications (i.e., earned without experience). Never mind that I had seven years of experience prior to getting those certifications.

        I'm bringing my certifications up to date in the short term. I'll probably go back to school to earn a certificate in project management. That will replace my recent associate degree on my resume.

  •  Is moving a possabity (7+ / 0-)

    Really there are places where jobs are numerous.  I live in NW Oklahoma. we have more jobs than people, to the point that the job adds in the paper offer employer provided housing.  these are not crap low wage jobs either, we are talking 50-125k a year.  most companies could give a dam less how old you are if your willing to work.  some jobs are for educated professionals like engineers but there are 2 full pages every day in the local paper for CDL truck drivers or labor as well.    

  •  I had (10+ / 0-)

    to quit my job in December of 2012 because of my health.  I got better and started to look for work in September of 2013 but have not found anything.  I am too qualified and old for many jobs and those that I should be qualified for they consider me to old and out of practice.  I was doing government administration, which I would rather not do, and my science degree is six years out of date now.  

    "In short, I was a racketeer for Capitalism" Marine Corp Brigadier General Smedley D. Butler

    by Kevskos on Sat May 10, 2014 at 09:49:54 PM PDT

  •  We know how to do this. Bring back the WPA and (10+ / 0-)

    the CCC.  The current system aint working.  

    •  California still has the CCC (2+ / 0-)
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      Mr Robert, This old man

      California Conservation Corps. I can't believe it survived so long.

      Not sure if this is good or bad, but Jerry Brown gave me a job there in 1978, and now he is governor again. Just when you think you've seen it all ... well, that's California. From moon-beam to mega-region.

      Personally I think existing programs should be adapted and expanded to include aging workers because I am one. Older, stiffer, slower, yet still with a thirst to learn and a desire to enjoy the "dignity of wages". Bring on the fogey camps!

  •  It's just a numbers discussion (8+ / 0-)

    The unemployment rate, when it is discussed is just a numbers discussion debated and seen through partisan prisms. The actual toll, on a person, who cannot pay their bills, who cannot provide an answer for where do you work can't be quantified. When your personal unemployment rate is 100% relentlessly while your bills pile up and you are just hoping to get a job so that you can behind only a month on your most pressing bills, it takes a toll. It is depressing. And depression looks like giving up and laziness to the untrained eye. It's just facing reality of an "uncertain" market that has clearly shown you with great certainty that they are not going to hire you. Poverty is taxing and tiring. It's work. Relentless work, without pay.

    By the way the Dow hit a record high.

    "I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights." (From "You Said a Mouthful" by Bishop Desmond Tutu - South African bishop & activist, b.1931)

    by FiredUpInCA on Sat May 10, 2014 at 10:22:57 PM PDT

  •  If only we had some sort of body, some kind of (7+ / 0-)

    organization that was dedicated to promoting the general welfare of the population...

    Thanks for writing this, it has valuable information for the victims of "success".

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

    by Greyhound on Sun May 11, 2014 at 03:20:48 AM PDT

  •  my significant other (12+ / 0-)

    and I have both been looking for work for two years.  We had seasonal employment for a few months earlier this year, but damn.  It's been a long, frustrating slog, and we've both pretty much come to the realization that despite our education and experience, there won't be any good jobs in either of our futures.

    Going from thinking you've got it all figured out to 'shit, welcome to poverty' in the space of a few short years is enough to make you sick to your stomach.

    There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast.

    by puzzled on Sun May 11, 2014 at 06:09:25 AM PDT

  •  Yup. Two degrees in computer science here. (11+ / 0-)

    And I'm still unemployed. In the 2 years after I graduated I've held 2 temp jobs that lasted 3 months each.

    Real, lasting, long-term employment is a pipe dream, of course. It always has been for people with disabilities because that's all employers ever see. Oh, and my lack of experience doesn't help either. Doesn't matter that I've got glowing recommendations from past supervisors for my work.

    I write a series called 'My Life as an Aspie', documenting my experiences before and after my A.S. diagnosis as a way to help fellow Aspies and parents of Aspies and spread awareness. If I help just one person by doing this, then I've served a purpose.

    by Homer177 on Sun May 11, 2014 at 07:25:06 AM PDT

    •  I Hear You - (3+ / 0-)

      Do you check the disabled box or not? Especially with online applications. Maybe if you don't you can at least get an interview. A huge "maybe".

    •  It's all contract these days... (10+ / 0-)

      For the first half of my tech career, I changed jobs every three years. Sometimes within the same company, but usually with another company. I started planning for job changes every three years.

      The last ten years was all contract work without any benefits. Three years became a year-and-a-half, a year, and now nine months.

      Ironically, I got turned down for a tech job at a law firm because I "lack tenure" (i.e., three years in each of my last three jobs). All the resumes that the recruiter submitted were rejected for that reason. He tried to explain to the hiring manager that short-term contracting was the norm in today's economy.

      •  Most contract work (6+ / 0-)

        is a bad deal for workers, especially if you are hired by a "body shop" to fill a slot for a client. Your so-called employer does nothing for you but is effectively getting a cut of your pay.

        Even so, contract work is not so easy to get nowadays. If you have been out of work for a while, that is a huge red flag to all employers. It doesn't make sense - are you going to forget all your tech knowledge in a year or two? - but it's a fact. So it is easy to get in a vicious circle where you are not hireable and are accumulating more time out of the workforce, which makes you even less hireable.

        I am fortunate: semi-retired by choice and doing some consulting (direct, not body shop work). But many are not doing so well.

    •  . (5+ / 0-)

      my software engineering career was destroyed 13 years ago by the globalists that run the nation.  There are many here among us who vigorously refuse to see the truth about the whole scheme and its devastation on the economy.

      "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

      by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Sun May 11, 2014 at 10:07:09 AM PDT

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      •  Yup. (3+ / 0-)
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        RiveroftheWest, greengemini, eyo

        It all started because the 'left' in this country gave them an inch and they took the mile and then some. And they'll continue to settle for less because the Republican Terrorist Movement will continue to push the country to the right, if that's even possible these days.

        I write a series called 'My Life as an Aspie', documenting my experiences before and after my A.S. diagnosis as a way to help fellow Aspies and parents of Aspies and spread awareness. If I help just one person by doing this, then I've served a purpose.

        by Homer177 on Sun May 11, 2014 at 11:49:42 AM PDT

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        •  . (2+ / 0-)
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          RiveroftheWest, greengemini

          the difference between these 'parties' seems more aligned with different rhetoric than actions.   There are some minor differences in actions but not enough to make a difference.   Bush was pushing SPP, Obama is pushing TPP ... same thing different wrapper.

          "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

          by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Sun May 11, 2014 at 06:08:39 PM PDT

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      •  Absolutely right - H-1Bs, L-1s, J-1s are killing u (5+ / 0-)

        The use of the temporary job visa is destroying this country. There are millions of H-1Bs (accumulated over years and years of the program), L-1s which are not capped by any limit, B-1s which are routinely used to circumvent the fake limits on H-1Bs, and so forth.

        And the terrible S744 will increase the H-1Bs and green cards. Many ignorant people conflate the use of the H-1B with immigration - it is not an immigration visa. It is a temporary jobs program, but if you fill a job with an endless supply of temporary workers, it's a permanent loss to American IT workers.

        In the summer, the J-1 program will bring in 500,000 J-1 visa workers. They will fill jobs with J-1 workers BECAUSE THEY GET A TAX CUT. THE US GOVERNMENT GIVES EMPLOYERS A TAX CUT TO HIRE FOREIGN WORKERS AND NOT HIRE AMERICANS.

        There are millions of JS college students who do not have jobs. Instead, the corporations hire foreigners. THIS IS WRONG.

        •  . (2+ / 0-)
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          WorkerInUSA, RiveroftheWest

          you're preaching to the choir with me.  The fact that those programs are still going strong is just more evidence of the corruption that is standard operating procedure in politics and corporate.  I guess this is what 1938 Germany felt like except with a twist.

          "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

          by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Sun May 11, 2014 at 06:05:02 PM PDT

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          •  It's beyond evil to promote foreign labor (3+ / 0-)
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            RiveroftheWest, greengemini, Unbozo

            over American. This is not right. This is a terrible error. When I hear Senators, Democratic, Republican, running down American skills and talent, this is just beyond wrong. And those who prostitute themselves on the Democratic side, like Schumer, Lofgren, all immigration attorneys, they are simply evil in their promotion of foreign labor.

            I am a statistician in the medical area. Since 1992, when the gates of China opened, there has been a flood of asians here. The intelligence of Americans has not decreased. there are 2 or 3 things going on:

            1) The TOEFL (Test of English as a Foreign Laguage) is terrible. It allows foreigners who can barely speak English in. They come here and are incapable of teaching, but are given our children to teach. It's terrible and wrong.

            2) There is a dreadful cheating culture in India. And there is an attitude of entitlement to the IT system. They are considered by Indians to be Indian jobs. When they get into a shop, they shut out Americans, women, blacks, everyone. They help each other cheat. It's dreadful. I have had to work with some of these people. The incompetence is simply appalling.

            3) The US government gives employers tax preferences to hire foreign workers.

            That Democrats support this foul system appalls and disgusts me.

  •  Anybody Been Yelled At By Career Counselor? (9+ / 0-)

    I spoke to a career counselor a couple months ago at my alma mater.  Withing seconds of meeting her she was barraging me with accusation in a Very Loud Voice about my supposed personal shortcomings.  It did not help that she was a morbidly obese youngish white woman.  I wanted to offer her a ride to the nearest Al-Anon meeting or maybe just ask her which one of her parents drank.  

    A month later I got an email that they are recruiting her replacement.  

    From other people's experience, I have heard it is a common practice for these career counselors to basically try to make their client cry.  My response would probably be to ask them a few pointed questions about their personal problems.  

    Too many people think they are a "people person" and a "good judge of character,"  when they are actually very delusion on those specific points, and the collision of reality and delusion leaves them severely depressed. We've all known several people like this.  Heck there might be one that has left a sobbing voice mail on your machine right now.  I'd really like to see how many HR people are severely depressed.

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Sun May 11, 2014 at 08:38:32 AM PDT

    •  If you think that's bad... (6+ / 0-)

      Each time I had a online video interview with Robert Half Technology, the recruiter finds a new job in two months. That happened twice. Other times I get solicited to submit my resume for a position and it disappears into a black hole. It's getting to the point that I won't do business with them.

      •  Robert Half > Yoh > Kelly (4+ / 0-)

        Yoh was getting a terrible reputation, partly because they were hiring South Carolina sorority girls in their first real job as recruiters.

        I pulled up a list of Yoh recruiter thumbnails on LinkedIn and showed them to my GF.  I said "Look at Heather and Missy and Crystal here - this is a list of recruiters, not an advertisement for a strip club." And my GF was like "Oh my god, that totally looks like a bunch of strippers."

        Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

        by bernardpliers on Sun May 11, 2014 at 10:05:19 AM PDT

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    •  I Was Told by a "Job Counselor" - (8+ / 0-)

      That a person with my educational level without a job wasn't really trying. It is truly amazing how abusive the supposed "support" network is. I am convinced that such structures exist only to give political and ethical cover to those with privilege and with jobs.

      •  I Think Many Of Them Are Flaming Codependent (5+ / 0-)

        I know, the one I was talking to said I had no excuse for not earning $125 K. Well, practically yelled it at me actually, as part of a tirade of ad hominem criticisms from the minute I sat down.

        I was just looking at her thinking "And how many times have you tried to kill yourself?"

        I have written numerous diaries about the abusive or borderline personality types that are created by abusive families.  How do you spot them? Well right out of the gate they make elaborate and strident accusations against people they don't know.   Because that is what an abuser does, as they parrot the behavior of the abusive parent.  This is a "dry drunk."

        Am I making this up?  No, it's the whole basis of Al-Anon, which is for people whose borderline traits (learned from asshole parents) have ruined their lives.

        When I see someone like that, I think "This person needs to go to Al-Anon. " I don't need to accuse them of something specific.

        Also the most common delusion of the dry drunk is that they are a "people person" and that they "understand people."   Most often this is totally in conflict with reality, which is that these people are uniquely devoid of insights into other people.  They aren't a "people person" except that they need someone to blame for their feelings, which are always negative.  But by constant use of projection, they can go through life hunting and punishing the people they think are "negative."  In real life, they are "shit magnets" for dishonest and abusive people, and when they interact with honest people it generates fairly high levels of paranoia (and accusations).

        Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

        by bernardpliers on Sun May 11, 2014 at 10:57:33 AM PDT

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      •  Yep (4+ / 0-)

        This includes family members. My parents are "frustrated" that I've been unemployed for a few years, that I'm not "trying hard enough", that I'm "shortchanging" myself. Then there's the temp agencies (I pretty much never get a call back from an actual employer), who wonder why I've been unemployed for so long. I tell them that it's because the people who weren't hiring when I first got laid off are now judging people for not working for a long time. This whole situation really, really sucks.

        Living is easy with eyes closed...

        by skybluewater on Sun May 11, 2014 at 06:38:52 PM PDT

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      •  Barbara Ehrenreich's book "Bait and Switch" (0+ / 0-)

        is about how the white-collar unemployed are left without support, and then abused by a series of hucksters -- career counselors, image consultants, boot camps, job fairs, etc.  The book was published in 2006 and is somewhat dated, because things have only gotten worse.

        If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. - President John F. Kennedy

        by laurel g 15942 on Mon May 12, 2014 at 12:50:20 PM PDT

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    •  . (7+ / 0-)

      if there are HR people who are happy and delighted with the corporate run world we currently forced to deal with, they are probably psychopaths and will have their jobs for the rest of their career.

      "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

      by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Sun May 11, 2014 at 10:11:38 AM PDT

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      •  HR Protected Jerry Sandusky For Years (1+ / 0-)
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        We're off topic from the original subject of recruiting but.....

        How many people did HR ruin so Sandusky could molest little boys at work?

        Every financial scandal, deadly mine disaster, rape cover-up has HR providing a protective layer of armor.  The knew exactly what was going on in all these cases.

        Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

        by bernardpliers on Sun May 11, 2014 at 11:01:12 AM PDT

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        •  . (2+ / 0-)
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          WorkerInUSA, RiveroftheWest

          The last good HR dept and person in HR that I can remember was in 1981 at a company that doesn't exist anymore.  The building with its company name still on it still is there ... but nobody's home.  Just like true and just leadership is awol in this country

          "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

          by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Sun May 11, 2014 at 12:59:35 PM PDT

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          •  Has The Profile Of The "Perfect" HR Person (0+ / 0-)

            ... become that super sparkly personality that is usually the result of their father drinking themselves to death or something similar?

            Jesus, there are careers in art, show business, politics, televangelism, and sales that are traditional careers for "people persons" from shit families. There's also a variety of jobs requiring no contact with other people. But too many people are drawn to the absolute worst thing they could be doing, and HR is about the last thing on earth they should attempt.

            But I think the "dry drunk"   has become the image of what an HR person is supposed to act and sound like, especially when the jobs requires a ruthless zealot to hunt down and punish the "bad" people.  

            But what about the rest of us that weren't raised by assholes, drunks, or addicts?  Is it possible to hold a job if you didn't have an abusive childhood to whine about at work?  What are you supposed to do when your boss starts telling you about how all eight siblings nearly starved to death?

            Or is it always going to end like this?

            Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

            by bernardpliers on Sun May 11, 2014 at 03:46:16 PM PDT

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      •  The HR approach IS the reason (4+ / 0-)

        why the country is being destroyed by the plague of H-1Bs.

        The HR approach, which emphasizes a slavish adherence to EVERY SINGLE CONDITION in the ad, eliminates MANY who have PERFECTLY good credentials. But HR eliminates the hundreds who do not satisfy every single condition.

        Years ago, the hiring person would look at the resumes, and pick the closest one. Now, none of those get through. Unless you satisfy EVERY requirement, you get dumped in the dumper.

        We need to modify Shakespeare. "First thing we do, we kill all the HR staff" is the line I would write.

        •  H1Bs Using Imposters For Screening Interviews (2+ / 0-)
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          I was talking to a Brahman Canadian who's been here on a NAFTA visa, and he was complaining about the H1Bs using ringers to sail through the screening interviews.

          Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

          by bernardpliers on Sun May 11, 2014 at 03:29:32 PM PDT

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          •  The stories about CV lies by H-1Bs (1+ / 0-)
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            are pervasive. There is a huge cheating culture, and the ethos in the H-1B community is that these jobs are now Indian, and the Americans don't deserve them.

            It's beyond corrupt.

            Now the new policy shift opens up another 100,000 jobs to H-1B spouses. 100,000. That is more than the annual H-1B allowance.

            Just the other day, they arrested a Chinese guy for part of the Target data breach. There is a story every day about some H-1B who is going back to China or India with US trade secrets.

  •  The numbers and how they work (14+ / 0-)

    Your diary is timely, and it has much to inform many. As an aside, here's an example of how bureaucratic fingers and toes keep track of unemployment:

    I will be 65 in a few weeks. I am well educated and in good health; I am motivated to continue working, and to continue working hard. In 2008 my lifelong career job got swept away in that whole mess. Last year my latest menial mindless job since then did its own disappearing act. As of two months ago I was included in the numbers for the unemployed, the long term unemployed, the older unemployed, the well educated unemployed, and the unemployed with no more unemployment benefits. My job search this time was truly an exercise in futility, so I opted instead for early SS retirement. With that singular decision my education, my experience, and my ability to contribute anything of value to a struggling economy was removed. Instead, one more number was added to those drawing on and dependent upon scarce government funds. And yet, according to those fingers and toes, because I stopped looking for work, the unemployment numbers in all of those categories--and therefore the economy itself--just got better.

    There are no numbers to accurately measure what we are doing to ourselves.

  •  Here's my tale of woe... (12+ / 0-)

    I was out of work for two years (2009-11), underemployed for six months (i.e., working 20 hours per month), and filed for chapter seven bankruptcy. For two years hiring managers told me that I was overqualified for minimum wage jobs and recruiters told me I was unemployable.

    For the next three years, I had three jobs that paid the bills but wasn't enough to get ahead.

    My car died from a blown head gasket and the following week I got my layoff notice. The Fortune 500 company I worked for had a lousy year and the CEO gave himself a 66% raise. Of course, the Republicans were threatening to shut down the government and the holidays were around the corner.

    Seven months later, I'm still unemployed. The funny thing is that I had more job interviews than I did while unemployed and underemployed for 2.5 years.

  •  . (5+ / 0-)

    the country's leadership is corrupt beyond belief.  They haven't fixed shit since the 2001 dot com implosion because ... surprise ... they are corrupt and continue to pursue crappy finance and trade policies that empty the country of good jobs and sound budgets.  Eventually the giant ponzi of corrupt policies monetary, economic, trade will all come tumbling down ... then, under the cover of war, the corrupt political and monetary elite will slither away with their ill-gotten gains and we have to rebuild the nation with sane policies if we survive .. even the founders of the nation and US Constitution knew that trade is to be regulated within the spirit of the preamble.  That's why they wrote it into the Article one, section 8.  Every time I wind up buying something that says Made In China (or some f'ing other foreign nation) I know some american worker lost their job or can't find a job because of it.  Its not because I am altruistic so much as I know exactly how it feels having been there.  Who's afraid of 'terrorists' when we got globalists running the show?

    "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

    by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Sun May 11, 2014 at 11:16:42 AM PDT

  •  This is a powerful diary, (5+ / 0-)

    and all the more so, because the job market has actually been heading south for a long, long time, ever since the 1980s. The misery and desperation the latest recession has caused yet a new round of people as they lose middle-class status is not a new phenomenon. Hardly.

    As for this remark:

    Have you ever known someone who has a job but who is lousy on the job? What about someone who should be fired? But they never seem to go away. Or maybe a majority who mostly remain employed for a lifetime and are mediocre? There are not many types of work that require the doer to be exceptional, like highly paid artists or athletes.  Who doesn't know a lousy doctor/specialist to be solidly employed?  Employers in hire mode, indeed, try to psych every potential applicant into believing they seek and can find the ideal candidate. It ain't gonna happen. No one is perfect. Maybe employed but not perfect.
    Kinda hits the nail on the head, doesn't it?

    These days, to get a job, you are supposed to be all "passionate" and everything. You are supposed to be "the best they could hire." It's corporatist bullshit, folks.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Sun May 11, 2014 at 11:21:07 AM PDT

  •  Not to mention the "temp' (6+ / 0-)

    culture. There is a whole subculture of substitute teachers, who have to wait until a teacher with benefits calls out. in EMS, the term of art is "per diem" workers, meaning being called in at their convenience, even if you have another job. If you can't work the minimum number of hours or shifts for the second job, you are automatically fired. No matter how much experience you have. Patients would be shocked at how the system is run.

  •  Say what you want (1+ / 0-)
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    but more immigrants means fewer jobs for Americans.

    I don't give a crap if this is counter to the "truth" as believed by most Democrats. The Democratic Party is embarked upon a path to bring in MORE IMMIGRANTS.

    This means fewer jobs for Americans. It means that millions of Americans now unemployed will continue to be unemployed.

    Not just lettuce pickers, BTW. Construction jobs, restaurant jobs, cleaning jobs, all kinds of jobs. Jobs that Americans want to do.  

    •  Are you sure about that? (1+ / 0-)
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      When Georgia ran the illegals out of the state, the farmers weren't able to find field workers for several years. Neither white folks nor black folks wanted to do the back breaking jobs of the brown folks.

    •  You're free to go back to your ancestral lands. (0+ / 0-)
      more immigrants means fewer jobs for Americans.
      My ancestors came over from Germany just after the Civil War.  As a 6th generation American, I will happily allow others the opportunity which has been given to me.

      -7.75 -4.67

      "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

      There are no Christians in foxholes.

      by Odysseus on Sun May 11, 2014 at 10:38:46 PM PDT

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    •  Immigrants are Americans, silly. (0+ / 0-)

      Who do you think built the place? No taking the ball and going home now.

      but more immigrants means fewer jobs for Americans.
      No. There's enough pent up demand for infrastructure upgrades and maintenance to provide good jobs ad infinitum. It's the owner class that won't invest. You're aiming at the wrong target, IMO.
  •  Horrible company (0+ / 0-)

    I was interviewed by two managers and hired a month later.  A month after that, one of those same managers quit due to a nervous breakdown, leaving with twenty years experience.  The other manager would later be demoted a couple places due to incompetence.  I was reporting to the latter.

    Over time I watched many more people leave without jobs lined up, some also with a lot invested in their time at this company.  New hires would come in and leave after a few months because they saw what was happening.  All of this was due to a high level executive who yelled condescending remarks at everyone around him.  By his bullying he was emptying out entire departments, such that no one knew how the systems worked, and frustrated newbies were training scared newbies.

    I watched one of my employees be dismissed because he was put into conflicting priorities:  Do both of these things at the same time or else.  I myself was later caught in one of these traps and am out of work.

    I do not regret no longer working for a dysfunctional company, only that I left a position for a failed promise at this hellhole.

    Faith Manages. -- J.M. Straczynski

    by Master Alchemi on Mon May 12, 2014 at 07:53:31 AM PDT

  •  20th Anniversary "NAFTA" Ignored by Kos (0+ / 0-)

    1/23/1993 The Heritage Foundation
    "The North American Free Trade Agreement: Ronald Reagan's Vision Realized", By Michael G. Wilson

    (On NAFTA) "It will create an estimated 200,000 new jobs for Americans, reduce illegal immigration from Mexico, help tackle drug trafficking, strengthen Mexican democracy and human rights, it also deals a blow to organized labor and other protectionist forces."
    Many of these protectionist calls were from labor unions concerned that the NAFTA would cost U.S. jobs in older industries. Despite such concerns, though, labor will see that, as consumers in a growing economy, they too are better off when nations are free to trade with one another and workers are exposed to the rigors of international competition.
    Looking to the Future. President Clinton should ride the free trade momentum that conservatives have given him and reaffirm his support for free trade agreements

    A prophetic interview with Sir James Goldsmith and Laura Tyson,  1994

    https://www.youtube.com/....

    You Don't Happen To Make It. You Make It Happen !

    by jeffrey789 on Mon May 12, 2014 at 04:40:15 PM PDT

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