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Terri Lynn Land
When it comes to climate change, debating whether it exists is just a polite way of trying to deny that it's an issue. It's actually a pretty effective stutter step, since it accomplishes what most deniers want to achieve: paralysis. Instead of debating what to do about climate change, they're happy to debate whether or not it's real in the first place.

So when the campaign of Michigan's Republican Senate candidate Terri Lynn Land answers a question from The Washington Post's Greg Sargent like this...

Terri believes that there should be a healthy and educated debate on the impact of human activity on our environment
...she's siding with the deniers, because there is no way to have a healthy and educated debate about the existence of something that's a scientific fact.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon May 12, 2014 at 02:00 PM PDT.

Also republished by Climate Hawks.

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  •  it's just MONDAY ??!!?? (10+ / 0-)

    man: i gotta do some keyboarding exercises, STAT.

    TRAILHEAD of accountability for Bush-2 Crimes? -- Addington's Perpwalk.

    by greenbird on Mon May 12, 2014 at 02:01:54 PM PDT

  •  Gravity: Does It Exist? (11+ / 0-)

    The GOP want to have a 'healthy debate'.

    Yeah...swell. Fuck off.

    Lightly Seared On The Reality Grill

    by Retroactive Genius on Mon May 12, 2014 at 02:02:31 PM PDT

  •  With this most recent rash of denial (2+ / 0-)
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    xxdr zombiexx, dewtx

    ...of climate change among the right, I'm thinking that it's time to revive the work I did for my MA on conservatism and science and get back to it. It seems timely.

    Procrastination: Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now.

    by Linnaeus on Mon May 12, 2014 at 02:04:16 PM PDT

  •  Follow Up (3+ / 0-)
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    Paragryne, dewtx, engine17

    Should we have a debate about Evelution?
    The Big Bang?
    A Geo-Centric Univese?
    If the Earth is Flat?

  •  Her too? Are these idiots synchronized today? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    dewtx
  •  anyone who denies climate change (0+ / 0-)

    after hurricane Katrina is dense

    stuck in an alternate universe

    by Krush on Mon May 12, 2014 at 02:10:54 PM PDT

  •  "The jury is still out". (4+ / 0-)
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    Krush, Aquarius40, Paragryne, dewtx

    Q. Does smoking tobacco cause cancer?
    A. We're still studying it.

    Q.Does crossing a busy street with your eyes closed increase the chances you'll get hit by a car, truck or bus?
    A. The data is inconclusive.

    Q. Will touching a hot stove burner burn your hand?
    A. That's just a lie being promulgated by the anti-hot-stove-touching lobby!

    All that is necessary for the triumph of the Right is that progressives do nothing.

    by Mystic Michael on Mon May 12, 2014 at 02:10:59 PM PDT

  •  This IS taking precious time away from (4+ / 0-)
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    Paragryne, Greenfinches, dewtx, dougymi

    BENGHAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZIIIIIIIII-cough-IIIIIIII

    The world is 6000 years old: Benghazi is only 2

    Global warming is a hoax and Benghazi scrabble is more important.

    Shut up about "science" already.

    Legal means "good".
    [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

    by xxdr zombiexx on Mon May 12, 2014 at 02:11:12 PM PDT

  •  So you think we can get her on John Oliver's (2+ / 0-)
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    BMScott, dewtx

    show?

    Probably not...

    http://www.petersformichigan.com/...

    sh

  •  she fell asleep during science class (1+ / 0-)
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    •  And hasn't yet awakened. (2+ / 0-)
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      dewtx, chrismorgan

      Taking the road less traveled since 1967 .

      by Paragryne on Mon May 12, 2014 at 02:27:42 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Not necessary: David Friedman, the (0+ / 0-)

      economist and libertarian ideologue, has a PhD in theoretical physics, but it doesn’t seem to have done him any good in this matter.  At various times over the last several years he’s denied the reality of climate change, denied that it has a significant anthropogenic component, taken the Micawber-like view that we’ll find a solution, argued that the net consequences of global warming may well be positive, and argued that the claim of a 97% consensus is dishonest.  (Full disclosure: David is one of the two people whom I both know in the flesh and genuinely despise.)

  •  It's progress (1+ / 0-)
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    dewtx

    They can't simply deny it any longer.  They can only call for a "debate" and treat science as subjective opinion.  They can't cave and accept it, either because climate change is one of those litmus tests for the know-nothing party.

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

    by ivorybill on Mon May 12, 2014 at 02:18:15 PM PDT

    •  I'm Afraid It Goes Like This (2+ / 0-)
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      1) We are not experiencing climate change
      2) We may be experiencing climate change, but it is not conclusively global warming.
      3) We may be experiencing global warming, but it is not anthropogenic.
      4) Global warming may be anthropogenic, but that is a minor factor.
      5) Anthropogenic causes of global warming may be a major factor, but it's still nothing to worry about.
      6) We may have to worry about global warming, but there is nothing we can do to halt or even slow it.
      7) In the end the earth will survive.
      8) Go back to any step, 1) through 7) and proceed again.

      It will never be "settled" in the minds of those who deny science.

      "A famous person once said, 'You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.' But as I once said, "If you don't teach them to read, you can fool them whenever you like." – Max Headroom

      by midnight lurker on Mon May 12, 2014 at 02:53:29 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The stupid old biddy will just wait until she ... (0+ / 0-)

    ...gets  her sqawking points from ALEC and go with whatever they tell her.

  •  That there is an impact, is an undeniable fact. (1+ / 0-)
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    No one can deny that humans are contributing to global warming.  The extent of that impact and the steps that need be taken, if any, are certainly subject to debate.  That's a fair distinction that needs to be part of the discussion.  

    I don't get why anyone who questions the extent of the impact or the extent of the need to ameliorate that impact engenders such animus.  Anyone who asks those questions is denying nothing, except that the discussion must include those factors if the deniers are to be denied the basis for their tin foil hattery.  

    If you get confused, listen to the music play - R. Hunter

    by SpamNunn on Mon May 12, 2014 at 02:28:28 PM PDT

  •  does she also think we should have a (1+ / 0-)
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    dewtx

    "healthy and educated debate on the germ theory of disease" too?

    How about heliocentrism?

    In the end, reality always wins.

    by Lenny Flank on Mon May 12, 2014 at 02:30:35 PM PDT

    •  Fucking magnets, how do they work? (1+ / 0-)
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      maryabein

      And don't get me started on mirrors! And do electrons really exist--have you ever seen one?

      Now what we need is a healthy and educated debate on this so-called "Theory" of "Electromagnetism". And what are these electric field lines this "Cosmos" guy spent an hour last night talking about. I've driven by corn fields and wheat fields and cotton fields, but I've never driven by an electric field, much less one with lines. This is just a bunch of left-wing gobbledygook intended to take away our guns and distract the lamestream media from BENGHAZI!

      /endsnark

      I am proud to be able to say that I got the chance to vote for Ann Richards for Governor of Texas, twice!

      by dewtx on Mon May 12, 2014 at 03:04:01 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Its the germ THEORY (0+ / 0-)

      Look, scientists can't even come up with a germ law of disease, its only a theory, like the atomic theory. We can't see germs or hear them. Germs are just another theory concocted by scientist to make us spend billions of dollars on soap, masks, "sterilizers" and so on. If we did what the founding fathers did when they got a wound: spit on it and cover it with mud, we would not be wasting so many tax dollars on health care. Kids are born in the back of taxicabs all the time without all this hand washing and everybody turns out just fine.

  •  "Michigan's Republican Senate candidate Terri Lyn" (0+ / 0-)

    "Michigan's Mashugana Republican Senate candidate Terri Lynn"

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Mon May 12, 2014 at 02:31:26 PM PDT

  •  Has a Republican ever lost an election (0+ / 0-)

    because they denied global warming?

    New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

    by AlexDrew on Mon May 12, 2014 at 02:36:19 PM PDT

  •  Who saw this ad on TLL it's brutal... (0+ / 0-)

  •  Jed, Jed, Jed . . . (0+ / 0-)
    that's a scientific fact
    Doncha know that it's only a theory?

    "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

    by bryduck on Mon May 12, 2014 at 02:51:12 PM PDT

  •  Climate Change (0+ / 0-)

    Let's all face the facts, climate change deniers do not care about the environment, or, their own lives--as it is only unpopular not to care about human life let alone say it!   It is, therefor, necessarily more difficult to change the mind of someone with that sort of mentality.  

    Already "too late" to reverse climate change caused by human 'environmental' abuse--these people certainly won't admit to being the 'virus' of the planet.  ItS okay, because it'll replace destruction by nuclear warfare (for sure, climate change is real) as just one or two more tsunamis, may leave just enough humans alive to fill up the international space station, if it is still there!  Deny, deny, deny!!

  •  The Cato Institute is trying another tack. (2+ / 0-)
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    While not denying climate change, They are saying that there are some benefits to climate change as well as problems.

    See how clever that is? We can look forward to this tactic by the GOP. By not denying the science they can switch the debate to one of how to interpret the effects. "Hey, we agree with the scientists, but we think climate change might be good for us." This changes the politics; it makes everything a matter of opinion. Who 'ya gonna believe? Certainly not all those evil Libruls.  

    Too soon old, too late smart (-7.25, -6.21)

    by Tim DeLaney on Mon May 12, 2014 at 03:17:28 PM PDT

    •  I've seen that before (1+ / 0-)
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      Tim DeLaney

      The progression goes something like this:

      1. Climate change isn't happening.
      2. It's happening, but not because of human activity.
      3. It is happening because of human activity but a) we can't do anything about it or b) we'll adapt or c) it's a good thing.

      The Cato hacks apparently didn't expect anyone to read the paper they linked, because it's clear that they cherry-picked it. They portray the paper as an argument against the danger of heat-related deaths, but the authors themselves say:

      Though the mortality impact of heat has declined, we found that statistically significant risks of
      heat-related mortality remain through 2005. Moreover, with the increase in average summertime
      temperature, and the greater frequency, duration, and intensity of extreme heat events due to
      climate change, even these lower mortality risks attributable to heat will likely continue to
      contribute to a large burden of adverse health effects across the population.
      Of course, the Cato guys left that part out.

      Procrastination: Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now.

      by Linnaeus on Mon May 12, 2014 at 03:37:32 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Exactly. Look on the bright side. (1+ / 0-)
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      Tim DeLaney

      According to today's Guardian:

      Western Antarctic ice sheet collapse has already begun, scientists warn. Two separate studies confirm loss of ice sheet is inevitable, and will cause up to 4m of additional sea-level rise
      A 13 ft. rise in sea-levels. Great! Who doesn't want to visit the tropical Pacific beaches of Colorado?

      Lightly Seared On The Reality Grill

      by Retroactive Genius on Mon May 12, 2014 at 03:46:20 PM PDT

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  •  Not only is she a climate change denier.... (0+ / 0-)

    - she is anti-choice
    - she is anti-birth control
    - she is for tax cuts for corporations
    - she is anti-union
    - she is for restrictive voting rights
    - she is anti-ACA

    I could go on and on - just please, Michigan, don't vote for her.

    Gravitation cannot be held responsible for people falling in love. - Einstein

    by moose67 on Mon May 12, 2014 at 03:30:36 PM PDT

    •  She has a "moderate" reputation (1+ / 0-)
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      Sort of like how Rick Snyder was able to sell himself as a "moderate" simply because he didn't sound as right-wing as many of those in the Michigan GOP are (the west side wingnuts now control the party). They're just a front.

      Procrastination: Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now.

      by Linnaeus on Mon May 12, 2014 at 03:42:35 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

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