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There have already been several diaries posted on Karl Rove's comments on Hillary Clinton's cerebral health, and much out rage that he should go there. You can go to TPM, ThinkProgress, Huffpost whatever,and find this posted with outrage.

So, Let's get a few facts straightened out.

Karl Rove said the following according to FP'er Laura Clawson

He said if Clinton runs for president, voters must be told what happened when she suffered a fall in December 2012.

The official diagnosis was a blood clot. Rove told the conference near LA Thursday, “Thirty days in the hospital? And when she reappears, she’s wearing glasses that are only for people who have traumatic brain injury? We need to know what’s up with that.”

OK, so let's look at the facts here.

Sometime in early December 2012, Hillary Clinton, travelling as SoS was suffering from a stomach bug, became dehydrated, fainted and banged her head causing a concussion. She was apparently treated with no hospital admission, and thereafter had to cancel several planned trips in order to recover, supposedly at home, although this is difficult to confirm.

Around the end of December, she went to a hospital for an MRI follow up, and it was discovered she had a blood clot on the brain, which was treated with blood thinners. She was admitted to hospital for 3 or 4 days, and accused of suffering from "Benghazi flu".

After a few more days recuperation, she testified on Jan 22before the House committee wearing glasses that hadFresnal lens.

So let's breakdown Rove's statement.

Did she have a traumatic brain injury? Yes, concussion is defined as a traumatic Brain injury.

Did she have sequels to this concussion?  Probably, a blood clot, and resulting double vision is a common sequel to severe concussion.

Can it be cured? - Yes, many people ( possibly a majority of living people) have been concussed at some point, and suffer no long term effects. American football players, rugby players, skydivers, skiers, snowboarders, have probably had incidences of concussion for over 90% (my guess).

Was  Hillary hospitalised for 30 days? Probably not.

And therein lies Rove's genius.

He creates a premise that Hillary is brain damaged based on a sequence of events/ facts. One of which is demonstrably false. He admits his error to that one fact, leaving intact the impression that everything else, including the false conclusion is true.

And everyone goes for it, creating a mass of media coverage, which will leave an indelible question mark on part of the electorate.

Update. Reading some of the comments here, it seems to me that it is not only Washington GOP'ers who live in a bubble.

You may or may not like Rove and his politics (to be clear, I do not), but to deny that he has political skills is self defeating. Sure, sometimes he uses those skills to enrich himself, but he should not be underestimated.

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  •  Tip Jar (7+ / 0-)

    I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

    by peterfallow on Tue May 13, 2014 at 12:03:13 PM PDT

  •  Rove isn't worried ... (6+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, peterfallow, jayden, rg611, itskevin, AnnieR

    ... that Hillary Clinton had a brain injury.

    He's worried that she has a brain.

    What a dork.

    "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V

    by MikeTheLiberal on Tue May 13, 2014 at 12:08:16 PM PDT

  •  Rove's genius!? Serioulsy? (8+ / 0-)

    Genius blew through billions of dollars backing candidates in '12 that lost. Looked like a complete and utter moron on election night and has fellow Republicans pushing back against this Hillary meme. And Carney made him a punch line in the White House briefing today. So not sure about the genius part.

    Frankly, I’m getting more than a little tired of hearing from angry America. I’m also less than fond of knee-jerk America. And when you combine the two with the Internet, you too often get stupid America, which is really annoying.

    by jsfox on Tue May 13, 2014 at 12:13:23 PM PDT

    •  And walked away with how many millions? (1+ / 0-)
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      AnnieR

      What would you expect his to say on Fox Election night?

      "Yeah well Dudes, I knew we were going to lose, but if I told you, you would have pulled those dollars, of which I get 10%"

      How is your net worth compared to Rove's?

      I would volunteer to look like a complete moron for say $20 million.

      I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

      by peterfallow on Tue May 13, 2014 at 12:17:31 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  so much to celebrate (4+ / 0-)
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    jayden, Karl Rover, dmhlt 66, dougymi

    Rove is a lying ass, and that makes him a master we should all fear to contradict.

  •  Please don't start this "Rove-is-a-genius" crap (7+ / 0-)

    ... again.

    He's not a genius, and this will NOT "leave an indelible question mark on part of the electorate."

    Complete horseshit.

    As I clearly point out, what Rove was really doing was admitting that Jeb Bush has brain damage.

    "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

    by Bob Johnson on Tue May 13, 2014 at 12:23:36 PM PDT

    •  Bob you are proving my point (0+ / 0-)

      I share most of your views and like most of your diaries, but just because he plays for the opposite side does not mean you should underestimate him.

      Remember - this is the asshole who got GWB into the White House, Brooks Brothers riot included.

      As for the indelible mark - think about the Zimmermann trial - shades of doubt is all it takes.

      PS your diary today is definitely not one of your best.

      I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

      by peterfallow on Tue May 13, 2014 at 12:45:40 PM PDT

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      •  Baloney. (0+ / 0-)

        He's been discredited. The last election pretty much ended his influence outside of the GOP chumps who may still give him money.

        What does the Zimmerman trial have to do with anything?

        "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

        by Bob Johnson on Tue May 13, 2014 at 12:48:28 PM PDT

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        •  Discredited - when was Bob Johnson on MTP (1+ / 0-)
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          AlexDrew

          or the other Sunday morning pundit fests?

          Bob Johnson writes a diary on Kos,  and then it is covered on Huffpost, CNN, MSNBC, NYT etc? I think not

          Karl Rove farts, and it is all over Fox News and then reported through the MSM.

          You, and I, may disagree with him, but don't be stupid and underestimate his reach.

          I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

          by peterfallow on Tue May 13, 2014 at 12:55:28 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  "Don't be stupid" (0+ / 0-)

            Let's wager. I will suggest that Rove's comments go nowhere beyond the next couple of days. They will not "leave an indelible question mark on part of the electorate."

            Okay, the only part of the electorate likely to believe this crap is the part that is never voting for a Democrat in the first place.

            If Clinton is the Dem candidate, her own performance on the campaign trail will make this crap moot.

            So you up for a bet?

            "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

            by Bob Johnson on Tue May 13, 2014 at 12:59:10 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I don't bet = it is a mugs game. (0+ / 0-)

              But how about you do  a Nexis search next week on "Hillary Clinton Brain Damage".

              So now it is out there = can't be undone. How important? probably not very much. But every time a little bit of shit sticks to the wall, the wall get's dirtier.

              And people like you are amplifying it with your blog outrage!

              THAT WAS MY POINT!

              I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

              by peterfallow on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:12:12 PM PDT

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            •  All that is required to lose this bet- (2+ / 0-)
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              Wee Mama, peterfallow

              All that is required to lose this bet would be a SINGULAR reporter ask her this question AFTER she officially enters the race.  Don't forget, she will be asked for her medical records. Anyone who thinks this dies in the next few days.......is a fool.  

              And I think that's Peter's point.

              •  Yeah, you're the same guy who offered breathless (0+ / 0-)

                ... predictions of a Bundy Ranch-BLM shootout because you knew that the militia clowns were battle-hardened ex-military.

                You were wrong then and you're wrong now, too.

                "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

                by Bob Johnson on Tue May 13, 2014 at 10:22:21 PM PDT

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                •  You're a liar (0+ / 0-)

                  I said no such thing.  Your sentence says I said 2 things-1) I predicted a shoot out (lie, and that means you're a liar) 2) yes, they were mostly combat vets.

                  Find where I said I predicted a shoot out, or retract.

                  I went out of my way to point out that if there was a shoot out, it would be started by the BLM.  Militia was ordered to leave the chamber empty on every gun to avoid a negligent discharge and that they were ordered not to wear camo so they didn't appear hostile.

                  You're just a liar Bob.  No respect for liars like you.

                  •  There's loads of pictures of them in camo. (1+ / 0-)
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                    Glen The Plumber

                    They had their guns aimed at the BLM guys. You're just flat out full of shit. You'd be a good fit with those idiots roaming around the desert in their camo playing army.

                    "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

                    by Bob Johnson on Wed May 14, 2014 at 09:03:47 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                  •  Here's a link to one of your comments: (1+ / 0-)
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                    Glen The Plumber
                    This has been a turning point

                    My BIL just emailed me a link to a drudge article (no, I won't link it here) that says the Oklahoma Militia is now on board, along with its 50,000 members.  You are right to be afraid.  The people who don't know any better think these folks are weekend warriors or even video game champions.  They are wrong.  All of them, with very, very few exceptions are former military or ex law enforcement.  The have the same EXACT capabilities as their federal counter parts (weapons, more ammo by multitudes, state of the art body armor and night vision capabilities.) they are committed to the Bundy cause, but I have read that their strategy is to take on the border and the illegal immigration cause.  They intend to frame it as "the federal govt won't enforce the laws, so we will". They will go to the border (if they are to be believed) and stop the illegal immigration "by any means necessary". The optics will be bad if the Feds are forced to turn on its "citizens" instead of on the "illegal" immigrants in front of the American people, via Fox News.

                    I'm worried too.

                    by Angryallen on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 03:07:41 PM CDT

                    And how do you know so much about what the militias' orders were?
                    Militia was ordered to leave the chamber empty on every gun to avoid a negligent discharge and that they were ordered not to wear camo so they didn't appear hostile.
                    Where would you get that kind of information?

                    "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

                    by Bob Johnson on Wed May 14, 2014 at 09:11:33 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

      •  Utter horseshit (2+ / 0-)
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        millwood, chrismorgan

        Rove is the guy who almost lost Bush the presidency.  If it wasn't for Georgie's little brother coming to the rescue in Florida and friends of Georgie's daddy in the SCOTUS saving his ass lil Georgie and his Brain would have had to buy a ticket to enter the White House.

        This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

        by DisNoir36 on Tue May 13, 2014 at 12:56:07 PM PDT

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        •  Yeah right = the Chief Campaign Strategist (0+ / 0-)

          has absolutely no impact on a campaign.

          It was a tight election - all the debts were called in - it should have been a cake walk for Al Gore, but Rove had nothing to do with the end result.

          Are you shitting me?

          I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

          by peterfallow on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:26:41 PM PDT

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  •  It's always a good idea to keep facts straight. (3+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, peterfallow, FiredUpInCA

    I laid out the background earlier. What really matters is not that Clinton had mild traumatic brain damage (she did; it's a matter of public record), but whether she made a full recovery from it (most people do; that should be confirmed in her case if she runs).

    Anyone who wants to stick their heads in the sand and pretend she did not experience MBTI is setting themselves (and us) up for being tripped later on.



    Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

    by Wee Mama on Tue May 13, 2014 at 12:40:50 PM PDT

    •  Please (0+ / 0-)

      it is clearly public record she had a concussion.  She may very well have had temporary double vision, there don't appear to be press articles indicating further evidence of fresnel lenses on or in her glasses.

      But to say that debunking Roves attempt to create a serious doubt about her health with at best half truths combined with lies  means Rove has already won the war is ridiculous if one means it generally, or a redundancy if one means the delusional 27% who thinks Bush was  great president.

      The only reason shit like Rove's works is because part of the press is paid to pretend its real, and other people who should know better, carry water for him for reasons I can't understand.

      The entire issue, she had a concussion, but let's use medical jargon to make it sound like a necessarily permanent and disabling injury to scare people, and then spin some conspiracy theory that it is being hidden,  cause that is what all the news reports and picture of her leaving the hospital prove, right, a cover up, it just another lie.  Vince Foster was murdered, too.   Whether anyone here wants her to be the Democratic candidate or not, can't we argue on the merits rather than carry water for a piece of crap like Rove?

      •  Her own spokesperson in the diary I linked said (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        peterfallow

        she was wearing the fresnel lens to deal with the double vision.

        I didn't say

        Rove has already won the war
        I do think that people need to be upfront and calm about the fact that she suffered a mild traumatic brain injury = concussion. Most people who suffer one recover. I point that out in my diary. Some don't; I personally think that that is a legitimate question to raise if she decides to run, and it might be strategically wise to deal with it sooner rather than later.



        Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

        by Wee Mama on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:26:48 PM PDT

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        •  I bet Obama has had a concussion, too. (1+ / 0-)
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          jfromga

          In fact, I bet most presidential candidates have had a concussion.

          Good lord...

          "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

          by Bob Johnson on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:32:53 PM PDT

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          •  I had one as a kid (1+ / 0-)
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            Bob Johnson

            night in the hospital, throwing up blood, etc.  I have never thoght I was  fit to be President, but I have managed to live, graduate from college and law school, make a living for myself, etc.  Gerald Ford, I bet that man knew his way around a concussion, and while not a great President, really an accidental President, the world still didn't come to an end on his watch.

          •  Really? I don't think most people have been (1+ / 0-)
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            peterfallow

            knocked unconscious. And within that data set, Clinton's concussion is more serious than most; double vision is present in only about 15% and most concussions don't show visible blood clots on MRI.



            Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

            by Wee Mama on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:46:06 PM PDT

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            •  How do you know Clinton was "knocked unconscious?" (0+ / 0-)

              She had a concussion. Where did you get that she was "knocked unconscious?"

              "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

              by Bob Johnson on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:48:33 PM PDT

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              •  It was in the news reports. There are several (1+ / 0-)
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                peterfallow

                links in my diary, but I don't remember which link specified that. In any case any concussion severe enough to cause double vision is going to have caused unconsciousness.



                Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

                by Wee Mama on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:50:29 PM PDT

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                •  I didn't see any news reports that she was (0+ / 0-)

                  ... "knocked unconscious." The reports said she fainted and sustained a concussion.

                  A lot of people get concussions. And there are aftereffects of concussions. But I can find no mention that she was "knocked unconscious."

                  "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

                  by Bob Johnson on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:53:34 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  She was already unconscious when she got her (1+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    peterfallow

                    concussion - you're correct about that. But any concussion serious enough to cause double vision and a brain bleed would also cause unconsciousness, which is why I used that as a population marker for how common a concussion on this scale is.



                    Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

                    by Wee Mama on Tue May 13, 2014 at 02:21:34 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                  •  Dude - you are losing when you argue (0+ / 0-)

                    if she was unconscious before the fall or as a result of the fall.

                    Rove 1    Johnson  0

                    I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

                    by peterfallow on Tue May 13, 2014 at 02:37:14 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  I'm sending you a 25-pack of adult diapers. (0+ / 0-)

                      You'll need them if you crap yourself like this every time Rove opens his yap leading up to 2016.

                      "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

                      by Bob Johnson on Tue May 13, 2014 at 02:44:59 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Go for it my friend - seen it before (1+ / 0-)
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                        annecros

                        When you are on the losing side of the argument, it goes downhill fast.

                        Why would you think I am crapping myself? Au contraire, like Wee Mama, I am simply pointing out that a good spin doctor finds a weak point and exploits it. If he is on the other team, you need to address this, either sooner or later.

                        Denying that  there is a weakness is a major fail.

                        If you have no more arguments, then reducing the issue to ad homs is a sign of defeat.

                        I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

                        by peterfallow on Tue May 13, 2014 at 03:00:26 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Wait... Are you the same peterfallow who wrote... (0+ / 0-)

                          ... this upthread?

                          For Fuck's sake open your eyes, engage your brain.
                          Now go change your diaper. And while you're doing that, try and gain even the teensiest, tiniest bit of self-awareness.

                          "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

                          by Bob Johnson on Tue May 13, 2014 at 03:26:56 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

        •  the whole setting herself (0+ / 0-)

          and us to be tripped line goes to far indicating this is a serious problem.  

          I love facts, and the fact is, she hasn't officially announced, whether or not she has, she'd be an idiot to dance to Rove's fantasies of conspiracy of silence, and the original diarist here, whom  you have supported with tips and a recommendation declared victory for Rove already.

          So since you aren't disagreeing with the OP and are saying it needs to be handled sooner, I put you in the same boat.

          This is overblown, this is fanning flames when there isn't any reason to at this point, and pretty much aids the enemy.  And I truly believe Rove is an enemy of the people of this country.  He isn't a master, he hasn't been winning anything lately, and people are jumping on his bandwagon here, which is puzzling and troubling.

          •  I don't know whether it needs to be dealt with (1+ / 0-)
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            peterfallow

            now or whether waiting for later is strategically wiser. I'm not a political strategist - maybe a good one would say, take care of it now. Maybe a good one would say, let sleeping dogs lie.

            I do think that a concussion that is severe enough to cause double vision and a significant blood clot on MRI is a non-negligible episode. It would be irresponsible not to ask for evidence of recovery if she decides to run.

            I was concerned about her concussion long before Rove wrote anything about it. I am still concerned about her age. Given that recovery from concussion is better the younger a person is, I don't think it is irresponsible to ask these questions.



            Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

            by Wee Mama on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:44:47 PM PDT

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            •  I suggest (0+ / 0-)

              you respect the dignity of every human being and let Hillary Clinton, if she decides to run,  answer questions about her health that impacts her fitness for office.  Same as her age.   Being concerned at this point just looks like lots of concern.

  •  Was Hillary hospitalised for 30 days? Probably not (1+ / 0-)
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    AnnieR

    Probably not?

    PROBABLY NOT?!?

    How did you possibly come to THAT conclusion?

    Don't tell me what you value. Show me your budget, and I'll tell you what you value. ~ Joe Biden

    by dmhlt 66 on Tue May 13, 2014 at 12:53:35 PM PDT

    •  Because I checked the WSJ, Guardian and (2+ / 0-)
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      Wee Mama, annecros

      a few other news sources, and none actually said where Hillary was during that period.

      She made no public appearances, or made any official announcements concerning her location.

      Now I may have missed it and would appreciate being corrected with facts.

      I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

      by peterfallow on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:01:47 PM PDT

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  •  Anyone who plays soccer, concussion is a (0+ / 0-)

    serious issue especially for girls so life basically makes a prone to serious brain damage

    "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

    by merrywidow on Tue May 13, 2014 at 12:55:13 PM PDT

  •  "Master Spin Doctor"?! More like "Master Baiter" (0+ / 0-)

    He knows and understands weak minds and uses anything at all to bait them into considering fiction as fact, fact as obfuscation and reality as a "socialist plot".

    The Village Idiot from Texas didn't give him the nickname "Turd Blossom" for nothing... and yes, I meant exactly what I implied in the subject line: he wouldn't do and say the things he does for any other reason than to make himself feel good.

  •  I would take a brain damaged Hillary Clinton... (1+ / 0-)
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    AnnieR

    ..before I'd consider supporting a brain dead willfully ignorant bozo GOP nominee. Those ignoramuses are dangerous.

    Voting is so simple, today. If they deny evolution, don't vote for them.

    What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. SAM HARRIS

    by Cpqemp on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:08:29 PM PDT

  •  Possible brain damage? (2+ / 0-)
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    peterfallow, AnnieR

    Strange this should be a cause for concern by any Republican.
    Strange it should be a suggested as a possible cause for disqualification.

    Consider Ronald Reagan.    President Reagan  is considered by many Republicans as the one of the greatest Republican presidents.  

    So what is the problem?

    Wrong party affiliation?  

  •  I will look forward to your diary... (1+ / 0-)
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    dougymi

    ...on the nuanced brilliance of Dick Morris.

    Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is most important that you do it.

    by The Termite on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:38:34 PM PDT

  •  You should update your title: (0+ / 0-)
    Karl Rove punks progressive blogs -- and Jay Carney

    "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

    by Bob Johnson on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:56:31 PM PDT

  •  With nothing to run on (0+ / 0-)

    The GOP will adopt, "Show us the medical records!", as the 2016 replacement for the Birth Certificate battle cry.
    Pretty pathetic stuff.

    "You're a dedicated swallower of fascism." Billy Bragg

    by Heianshoka on Tue May 13, 2014 at 02:00:30 PM PDT

  •  In 1994 Rove Started A Whisper Campaign..... (1+ / 0-)
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    AnnieR

    that the Republican rival candidate was a pedophile.

    In '99 Rove started a whisper campaign that John McCain
    fathered an illegitimate black child.

    In 2014 Rove is starting a campaign that Hillary Clinton may be unfit for office because she suffered a traumatic brain injury.  There's not much of a leap from "traumatic brain
    injury" to brain damage.

    This is what Karl does.  There is nothing here to admire.
    He's not some clever political genius.

    His jig is up.  He played the fool in 2012 w/ his eraserboard
    tirade over Ohio.  He lost MILLIONS for people in the 2012
    Romney campaign for every idiot who donated to his Crossroads GPS web site.

    Karl went too far this time.  

    •  For some, nothing is too far. (0+ / 0-)

      Mr. Rove is a troll who lives to stir up the pot.

      He is supported in his efforts by those who live to be perpetually pi.. off.

      What is the satisfaction in non-stop anger?

    •  Exactly. (1+ / 0-)
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      peterfallow

      Chris Hayes had an excellent segment on that very thing tonight.  He did say that it's usually something that can't actually come back on Rove which makes this situation a little different.  He can be asked directly since he said it directly.  And he was and he didn't have an answer.  I'm surprised he didn't blame it on Obama, actually.  Isn't that the usual go to for right wingers?

      But I have to agree with the diarist.  This is smart on Rove's behalf.  Bet he keeps it going.  And by smart I mean low down scuzzy smart.  It's dirty politics 101.  And Rove is brilliant at it.  Now I need a shower.

      The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

      by AnnieR on Tue May 13, 2014 at 09:16:17 PM PDT

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        any candidate Republicans can dig up.  Especially on foreign policy.  Marco Rubio or Rand Paul or Chris Christie or Jeb
        Bush against Hillary?  I'd pay good money.

        They must have given up on bringing her down w/ Benghazi.  Now they're going to bring her down because she's "brain damaged"?

        Women voters are not going to like seeing a woman attacked by fat old white guys who are ganging up on her because she's supposedly brain damaged.

        They may want to rethink this one.    

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          Republican party and their treatment of (insert one) women, Gays, Blacks, Latinos, poor and struggling, ...  You name it.  If we're not like them we're diminished somehow through their words and actions.  

          And hell, I'd pay to see Hillary Clinton take on Karl Rove.  That's the thing about bullies.  He can safely say whatever he wants.  He can start one of his low life whispering campaigns.  He has a pedestal from which to spew his garbage.  But confront him face to face.  I would bet everything I have, which isn't much but it's all that I have, to see him sputter.
           

          The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

          by AnnieR on Wed May 14, 2014 at 05:46:37 AM PDT

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    He's a political genius; skanky yes, but a political genius.  Her traumatic brain injury is going to become part of the narrative; already has.   Don't know if it has legs enough to last until the next presidential campaigning begins, but my guess is he'll make sure it does.

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Tue May 13, 2014 at 05:21:32 PM PDT

  •  Minor point it is (0+ / 0-)

    Fresnel lenses.

    So Hillary had a minor concussion in her head that she has recovered from.

    Rove has had a major evil in his soul for decades which he indulges to the max.

    Given a choice of any candidate Herr Rove finds attractive and just about anybody else, I choose the latter.

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