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This might just be the best thing ever to come out of the Pete Peterson Foundation: Former President Bill Clinton, swatting away Karl Rove's new smear that Hillary Clinton has brain damage because of a pair of sunglasses she wore after a brief hospital stay. (Never mind that she'd been wearing the same frames for years.)

"First of all, I've got to give [Rove] credit," Clinton told moderator Gwen Ifill. Rove's smear "embodies that old saying that consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Because:

First they said she faked her concussion. And now they say she's auditioning for a part in The Walking Dead.
The former president also quipped that if Rove's brain damage smear is right, then "I must be in really tough shape because she is still quicker than I am."

Clinton also addressed GOP attacks over Benghazi:

"In my opinion, Hillary did what she should have done [...] Secretaries of State never were involved directly in these security decisions." [...] Clinton said he did not want to be drawn into a political fight, but he asserted that "most Americans don’t even know how many American diplomatic personnel were killed while President Bush was president."
As it turns out, there were 20 attacks in which 87 people were killed, including three U.S. civilians and 21 embassy or consulate workers, yet somehow Republicans never blinked an eye.

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  •  Lol!..auditioning for the walking dead n/t (24+ / 0-)

    Everything that we see is a shadow cast by that which we do not see. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by destiny1 on Wed May 14, 2014 at 11:34:58 AM PDT

  •  But here is rarely seen tape of Dr.Rove graduating (8+ / 0-)

    from medical school.
    Paging Dr. Rove, Dr. Cheney, Dr. Rove:

  •  That is a shot by Big. Dog across the ReTHUG bow (21+ / 0-)

    Rover better beware...also, too... big dOg brought up W and the killings during his administration so the press would pick it up and start talking about it! VERY smart.

    When you follow your bliss the universe will open doors where there were once walls.

    by BlueFranco on Wed May 14, 2014 at 11:36:19 AM PDT

  •  Politico had a quote from a Bush admin (4+ / 0-)
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    Paragryne, TofG, anna shane, stevemb

    official who said Rove's comment worked, and it gives Clinton another reason to not.

    Amazing how delusional some of these people are. If Bill's comments are a sign, this gives her more reason to run, imo.

  •  Wow, the Big Dog delivered on that one (19+ / 0-)

    I hate the possibility of a "dynasty" but the Republicans are really running against both Clinton's this time. Much like they did 20 years ago. And I seem to recall they got their asses handed to them back then. What makes them think this time will be any different? To misquote Bush, "Is our Republicans learning?"

    GOP 2014 strategy -- Hire clowns, elephants, and a ringmaster and say "a media circus" has emerged and blame Democrats for lack of progress. Have pundits agree that "both sides are to blame" and hope the public will stay home on election day.

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed May 14, 2014 at 11:36:25 AM PDT

  •  squeeeeeal. (7+ / 0-)

    * snort * mockery wins. ♥

    TRAILHEAD of accountability for Bush-2 Crimes? -- Addington's Perpwalk.

    by greenbird on Wed May 14, 2014 at 11:36:40 AM PDT

  •  With Bill you get Hillary...With Hillary you get (13+ / 0-)

    Bill....and vice versa.

    Ponder it GOP.

  •  Karl Rove Actually Has Brain Damage --- Classic (7+ / 0-)

    Conservative Projectionism.

    Karl Rove has a lower intestinal obstruction that causes feces to back up into his empt, bulbous, bald head causing frequent oral discharges that are putrid -- it's called Shit-for-Brains Syndrome.

    As for Benghazi, if the rethugs hadn't drastically cut the embassy security budget to give away to their filthy rich billionaire, millionaire, and Fortune 500 corporate buddies, 4 Americans may have never been murdered there -- they need to STFU.

  •  This...should be stressed time after time: (15+ / 0-)
    As it turns out, there were 20 attacks in which 87 people were killed, including three U.S. civilians and 21 embassy or consulate workers, yet somehow Republicans never blinked an eye
    •  P. S. If Republicans keep trying to attack HRC (7+ / 0-)

      with Ben gazi they may find they have brought a knife to a gunfight (with the Big Dog playing the part of Malone (Sean Connery):

      Malone: You wanna know how to get Capone? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way! And that's how you get Capone. Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that?
    •  But you see, the Bush Masheen came right out and (1+ / 0-)
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      blamed everything — regardless — on "Muslim Terrsts / Islamic Extremistssss / Global War on Terrrr". Fear, FEAR, FEAR !!!!!

      Therefore, Mission Accomplished.  Also, no Hillary.

      Obama's problem is that he didn't blame and/or vaporize the wrong people fast enough to suit the Little Billy Kristols of the former party in power.

      "Beachfront Resorts" #BadBusinessModelsForThe22ndCentury

      by here4tehbeer on Wed May 14, 2014 at 12:00:18 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Not to mention the 3000 Americans (2+ / 0-)
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      who died on 9/11 - on Bush's watch.

      Election Day is Nov 4th, 2014 It's time for the Undo button on the 2010 Election.

      by bear83 on Wed May 14, 2014 at 01:02:05 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Speaking of brain damage (11+ / 0-)

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Wed May 14, 2014 at 11:43:04 AM PDT

    •  That's so funny. Fox showing "Obama relected" (8+ / 0-)

      while Karl goes on and on.

    •  I remember watching this (3+ / 0-)
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      Updating the page. Looking at the 08 results, and yeah, the gloss is over Cuyahoga County. It was pretty hilarious. It's like 80% D. Those were where the votes came. And the R places are close.

      I love they left him keep going.

      •  I bet he made someone a lot of money on intrade (3+ / 0-)
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        Someone probably spent a ton on OHIO post call (for R). lol.

        •  And if you wonder . . . (1+ / 0-)
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          ivorybill

          Yes, I did in 04. When no one believed in Obama, it was amazing to me how I could just go the SOS website look at 4 years ago and get the returns.

          I remember buying a TON of Montana when Billings came in and Obama was up a lot. Before other people saw it on TeeVee then when it went up 20% selling it.

          The only thing that sucked was while I made say $500 I was just buying/selling states all day. No time to party.

          I think US is banned from intrade now. But I guarantee same kind of thing as most people were trading based on networks. Someone bought Ohio, LOL, maybe Rove owned it and wanted to bump it.

          But yeah living in Ohio and getting the politics generally, the guy explaining it was completely right. It's moronic, they gerrymandered the hell out of Cuyahoga because of the reasons it was going to deliver Ohio. . . . We don't like people like Romney here except in very small Suburbs. And Parma, lol? I doubt it is so Republican there's not much I'll say about it but it is not the Old money of SHaker Heights, Cleveland Heights, nor Rocky River/Bay/Westlake (but their populations pale in comparison even to my Suburb (Lakewood which has I think the densist gay population between maybe NY and Chi, and 60k people). Also Shaker and Cleveland Heights have the old Money houses but also projects. River/Bay are tiny.

          God I loved watching this again. Yeah Deleware County will overtake Cuyahoga (and I left Cleveland Proper completely out).

  •  Bill (4+ / 0-)
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    ivorybill, anna shane, stevemb, dbm

    He's our Reagan, he owns the media.  If it wasn't for DOMA, I'd love the man.

    Actions speak louder than petitions.

    by melvynny on Wed May 14, 2014 at 11:46:04 AM PDT

    •  And deregulation of the banks (1+ / 0-)
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      stevemb

      and expansion of immigration detention and a dozen other horrible policies...

      But you are right. As pissed as I am at him over policy, I find it impossible to dislike the man.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Wed May 14, 2014 at 11:54:18 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  And extraordinary rendition, welfare "reform," (1+ / 0-)
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      stevemb

      shutting down Brooksley Born, support of the death penalty, putting outsourcing on steroids (etc) doesn't bother you?

    •  His political instincts were honed in Arkansas and (3+ / 0-)
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      stevemb, TofG, melvynny

      during Reagan era.

    •  if it weren't for DOMA (2+ / 0-)
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      Joe Jackson, Lysis

      he'd love himself a lot more too.

      He's popular, he has universal appeal and he does not like to see his wife unfairly smeared. Gets his goat. But now there are many who don't like to see it, Chris Matthews gets upset, he's saying he hadn't realized how much it had taken for her to get as far as she has.  

      plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

      by anna shane on Wed May 14, 2014 at 11:57:52 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Or NAFTA and other corporate trade deals, dereg (0+ / 0-)

      of banking, finance, and media. Privatizing and eliminating government services and over site. Wrecking the safety net for America's neediest. And pretending he wasn't home when Unions called or knocked on the White House door.

       Bill can fire up a crowd, but waking up after the elections is like  movie Ground Hog Day.  

    •  Can we blame him much for DOMA? (3+ / 0-)
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      This was a Republican election year side-show.

      Clinton criticized DOMA as "unnecessary and divisive",while his press-secretary called it "gay baiting, plain and simple"

      Clinton signed DOMA. He claims that he did so reluctantly in view of the veto-proof majority, both to avoid associating himself politically with the then-unpopular cause of same-sex marriage, and to defuse momentum for a proposed Federal Amendment to the U.S. Constitution banning same-sex marriage..

      I think I remember that and if truly the case as supported below by his friendships and actions, well he was always political savvy.

      It says a lot that he

      .

      . . refused to hold a signing ceremony for DOMA and did not allow photographs to be taken of him signing it into law.[21] The White House released a statement in which Clinton said "that the enactment of this legislation should not, despite the fierce and at times divisive rhetoric surrounding it, be understood to provide an excuse for discrimination, violence or intimidation against any person on the basis of sexual orientation"'
      Regardless. It was going to pass a VETO. I think a lot of Americans views evolved, from not getting or caring (not thinking it discriminatory) that Marriage be man woman, but make sure Civil Unions whatever were absolutely allowed. I remember when my own viewpoint (and I have gay friends, had a gay rommate at NYU) was I don't know maybe too (looking for a word)  . . . but I thought "Marriage is just a word someone made up at some point" "So long as they have the same exact rights". But then Advocacy did well for me to get the significance of Marriage is a no-no but we'll call it something else, that that is unfair, because well Marriage is just a word.
      Mr. Clinton was the first president to openly court gay Americans. He met an openly gay man for the first time at Oxford in 1968 when a fellow Rhodes scholar, Paul Parish, revealed himself as gay. “He always had gay friends,” Mr. Parish recalled last week. “He’s always wanted to do the right things by gays.”
      As a presidential candidate in 1991, Mr. Clinton flew to California for a meeting arranged by the political strategist David Mixner and other gay rights supporters. “They were pretty skeptical of the governor of Arkansas, as you can imagine,” recalled Mickey Kantor, Mr. Clinton’s campaign chairman at the time. But over two and a half hours, Mr. Kantor said Mr. Clinton won them over with “his empathy, his emotional connection.”
      He tripped up in the early days of his presidency by underestimating the opposition to opening the military to gays and lesbians and accepted the “don’t ask, don’t tell” compromise that required they keep their sexual orientation secret. So when Republicans proposed the Defense of Marriage Act in an election year, Mr. Clinton resolved not to get burned again.
      The bill passed with overwhelming margins, enough to override a veto. He hoped to avoid calling attention to it with his post-midnight signature.
      I
      n his second term, Mr. Clinton became the first president to address the Human Rights Campaign, and he nominated James Hormel as the first openly gay ambassador. “He stood up for me when he really didn’t have to,” Mr. Hormel said last week.
      Over time, though, Mr. Clinton heard again and again from gay friends. “In my conversations with him, he was personally embarrassed and remorseful,” said Hilary Rosen, a longtime Democratic strategist. “It makes him uncomfortable that something he’s responsible for has caused so much pain to so many people he genuinely cares about.”

      By 2009, times had changed and so had polls. After a speech, Mr. Clinton said he had changed his mind. He called Mr. Socarides that afternoon. “I think I’ve come out for same-sex marriage,” Mr. Clinton said.
      “I realized that I was, you know, over 60 years old,” Mr. Clinton told Mr. Cooper. “I grew up in a different time. And I was hung up about the word. And I had all these gay friends. I had all these gay couple friends. And I was hung up about it. And I decided I was wrong.” While he declined to join a friend-of-the-court brief filed by former senators, Mr. Clinton wrote by hand an op-ed article for The Washington Post. He said he signed the law to head off a worse outcome, a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, but realized now that “the law is itself discriminatory” and “it should be overturned.”

      •  I almost wish this was its own diary. (1+ / 0-)
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        Though I feel any talk about Bill Clinton just gets conflated with Hillary Clinton anyway, and they're not interchangeable.

        But I vividly remember him being the first president to make any big stand in favor of equal rights. It's been retroactive criticism that overlooks how much he actually did to move equality forward.  Heck, even our current president had the same position as President Clinton until three years into his term.

  •  lets face it (0+ / 0-)

    rw republicans are scum and the moderates that tolerate their parties filth are no better.

  •  Jay Carney bites Rove in epic BURRRRRNNNN (3+ / 0-)
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    "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

    by zizi on Wed May 14, 2014 at 12:11:47 PM PDT

  •  Pre - Rovian accusations; Here's Fox & friends.. (1+ / 0-)
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    vcmvo2

    .. mocking Hillary Clinton.

    F0X CT delusion:

    Bill O'Reilly:

    "I guess she passed out somewhere, is she unconscious somewhere"
    John Bolton:
    "when you don't want to go to a meeting or a conference or event, you have 'diplomatic illness' we're now calling this"
    Sean Hannity speaking with Krauhammer:
    "Charles you had a good line; 'Hillary has severe Benghazi allergy' "
    Krauthammer:
    "Yes, I've been doing a lot of work on that investigating"
    Hannity:
    "Lets' see the medical report on that"
    source: Politiscs Nation | Reverand All Sharpton

    Thx Jed Lewison - calling out the hypocrisy and highlighting push back

    P.S. This latest from Karl Rove seems to be putting the spot light on republican desperation for all to see, and at this point it's hard to imagine the GOP having the leadership coordinated enough to change course - bad for them and good for Dems - imo

  •  Well, now. Former President Clinton has (2+ / 0-)
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    given Gwen Ilfil and other journalists a nice little gift to unwrap if they would only have the curious minds to do so.

    "most Americans don’t even know how many American diplomatic personnel were killed while President Bush was president."
    Maybe if said "journalists" read DKos regularly they would have this information handy to ask say John Boehner an actual question about it.
  •  I do not get why we always bash Clinton (4+ / 0-)
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    anshmishra, Lysis, aimeehs, bahaba

    as a non-progressive. He was in tough spots, and for example DOMA was going to over-ride a veto and he gave it no pomp and circumstance and as the President who signed was an important voice against.

    Progressive Accomplishments:

    1. The Family and Medical Leave Act. Granted, the leave it gives is unpaid, but it remains an important building block on which to construct efforts to widen leave, such as the mandatory paid sick leave act recently passed in Connecticut.

    2. Raising taxes on the rich. Clinton’s 1993 tax increases helped the Republicans win Congress in 1994 (largely because of the misinformation conservatives spread about them), but they also helped produce the federal government’s only recent surplus, and were the only recent successful attempt to make taxation more progressive. (This link, from the Center for American Progress, is a great source of information on this history.)

    3. The Brady Bill. Clinton got this law passed after years of the gun lobby fighting it tooth and nail; it has since stopped more than half a million people from getting guns they shouldn’t have. The best source is this F.B.I. report.

    4. The California Desert Protection Act. This popular law protects a chunk of ecologically valuable land in the southeastern corner of the Golden State that is the same size as the state of Maryland (!). This had been a priority of local and national environmentalists for many years.

    5. A minimum wage increase. In 1996, the Clinton Administration was able to get the first increase in the wage in decades through a Congress that largely opposed the very existence of the minimum wage law.

    6. SCHIP (the State Children’s Health Insurance Program). A lot of pixels were spent on blogs decrying George W. Bush’s shameful veto of an expansion to the SCHIP program, but it’s worth remembering that Clinton, with help from Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch, was the president that actually began the program in the late 1990's.

    7. Health Insurance Portability (the so-called HIPAA or “hippa” law) created the COBRA program to provide for coverage transfer and expanded patients’ rights, including their rights to privacy (ironic, considering that conservatives claimed that the original Clinton health care plan would have meant the end of all patient privacy).

    8. Violence Against Women Act. The National Domestic Violence Hotline says that this law “changed the landscape for victims who once suffered in silence.”

  •  There is nothing true (0+ / 0-)

    about Karl Rove being a heroin addict for the last twelve years.

  •  Karl Rove is not a heroin addict (0+ / 0-)

    There is no truth to the rumor that Kary Rove is a heroin addict.

    Please tell all you know that Karl Rove is not a heroin addict

    A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny! Thomas Jefferson

    by wbishop3 on Wed May 14, 2014 at 02:02:31 PM PDT

  •  Karl: your guy was W, remember? (0+ / 0-)

    Don't be talking about mental capacity.

  •  video of rove dancing (0+ / 0-)

    https://www.youtube.com/...

    Make it go viral.

    How children dance to the unlived lives of their parents. Rilke

    by ceebee7 on Wed May 14, 2014 at 05:10:55 PM PDT

  •  Wasn't Sec. of State Condi "Mushroom Cloud" Rice (0+ / 0-)

    buying shoes when many of those embassy attacks happened during Dubya's watch? Or was it just during Hurricane Katrina? Congress needs to investigate!

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