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On Sunday, expert political analyst and medical doctor (and GOP flack) Reince Priebus took a momentary breather from pushing Karl Rove's brain damage smear to offer up another claim about Hillary Clinton and 2016:

I don’t actually think she will if she has another month like she just had.
Hillary had a bad month? Uh:
Hillary Clinton favorable ratings, 1/1/2014-5/19/2014
Meanwhile, the GOP's best hope for 2016:
Chris Christie favorable ratings, 1/1/2014-5/19/2014
By the way, if that guy ends up being their nominee, do they really want to make health an issue?

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  •  I love how neoliberalism has become so popular (3+ / 0-)

    here lately.

    Polishing the gates, as it were.

    Hillary does not have the benefit of a glib tongue.

    by The Dead Man on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:34:12 AM PDT

    •  Wow - quick on the draw, Dead Man! (3+ / 0-)
    •  How does the hypocritical ageism of (24+ / 0-)

      these GOP dickwads have anything to do with a defense of "neoliberalism"?  As a baby boomer woman I find it thoroughly rich that the likes of Reagan, Dole and McCain were not just acceptable but lauded by these jerks.

      the woman who is easily irritated

      by chicago minx on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:40:05 AM PDT

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      •  Just the sheer amount of time and space devoted (1+ / 0-)
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        to Clinton.

        Are Republicans assholes?  Every damn day of the week.

        Hillary does not have the benefit of a glib tongue.

        by The Dead Man on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:44:52 AM PDT

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        •  Yes. (1+ / 0-)
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          Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

          by judyms9 on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:47:23 AM PDT

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        •  wait. ... (19+ / 0-)

          You mean you're surprised that on a democratic blog that there are stories about the leading and thus far only viable likely Democratic candidate for President in 2016? And specifically about pathetic GOP efforts to discredit her? And this is "polishing the gates"?

          Purity trolling. You has it.

          "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

          by raptavio on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:03:23 AM PDT

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          •  Maybe I've been misled (3+ / 0-)

            but it was my understanding that "the gates" refer to the obstacles that the third way dems have set up and the positions they've taken to impede progress. It's not purity, it's pointing out the fact that treating Clinton like she'd inevitable and refraining from serious criticism because of that is a problem here, and if that continues then we'll get a third way dem in office in 2017.

            Also, the idea that Christie can make it out of the primaries is absurd to me. His record on LGBT rights will destroy him. No one can win the governors office in the northwest and the GOP primary at this point. Putting aside the obvious corruption problems, not that the GOP cares about that. If he only wanted to win the primary and give up on the general he could probably admit he rigged the traffic scandal and run on that and the GOP would turn him into a hero. They love cheat as long as they win.

            No War but Class War

            by AoT on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:18:06 AM PDT

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            •  "Polishing the gates" (10+ / 0-)

              is an allusion to "Crashing the Gates", Markos' book. The term "Polishing the Gates" is a none-too-subtle suggestion that Markos is a sellout.

              Thus, purity trolling.

              I'm no fan of Hillary (and I have been, with some exceptions, a fan of Barack), but until a viable alternative presents itself (or even a credible one we can use in the primaries to push Hillary to the left), I don't see any value in whinging about her likely candidacy, nor the coverage of the politics surrounding her on this site. It serves no useful purpose other than to make the whinger feel "more liberal than thou."

              "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

              by raptavio on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:43:14 AM PDT

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              •  You don't have to be liberal to hate the machine (2+ / 0-)
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                The Dead Man, ChuckChuckerson

                No viable alternative is going to present itself because of the highly orchestrated and early campaign to stifle any and all opposition to her candidacy from anyone anywhere in the party.  The lesson they learned from 2008 is that you don't let ANYONE in the ring with Hillary.  That's why they strong armed every woman in the Senate into all but endorsing her by the beginning of 2014 without Hillary having to state a position on any issue that might have concerned any of those women.

                What should concern us about her energy level is her total unwillingness to engage with anyone outside of the plutocrat dinner circuit on any issue.  She doesn't want challengers.  She doesn't want discussion.  She wants the machine to shut everyone up early and often.

                •  There are a lot of premises in your comment (7+ / 0-)

                  that beg the question.

                  What evidence do you have that, say, Elizabeth Warren was strong-armed? Or any other woman who endorsed her? And how can you possibly say that after nearly 20 years of public service at the federal level that she takes no positions on women's issues?

                  It's clear she does not have the power to prevent anyone else from stepping into the ring. Bernie Sanders may well do it (and though I think he'd make a lousy President, if he does I'll probably back him in the primaries to push Hillary to the left). She runs a juggernaut of a campaign -- but obviously there have been better ones, thank you David Axelrod. This doesn't make her the Sheldon Adelson of the right.

                  You can hate the machine, sure. You can have lots of good reasons for it. But let's have actual reasons that go above and beyond purity trolling, yeah?

                  "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                  by raptavio on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:56:27 AM PDT

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                  •  She signed the letter didn't she, they all did (1+ / 0-)
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                    ChuckChuckerson

                    You think every single woman in the Senate just spontaneously decided more than 2 full years before the nomination that the most important thing they had to do right now, this minute, was to sign the very same letter endorsing Hillary?

                    Can you tell me her position on Social Security and Medicare cuts like the plans of DLC, Third Way, Fix the Debt scumbags to impose CCPI on the oldest old women so that their Social Security benefits will be cut by tens of thousands of dollars leaving them destitute in their '90s?  How about Medicare means testing in Obama's budget - another plan to be sure women have to spend down all their assets early in their retirement years so they are broke when they are 95.

                    I can't recall hearing Hillary speak against the Third Way scumbags plans to impoverish old women but if she has broken with that crowd it would be helpful to know.

                    It's not purity.  I'm talking the big deal issues. War and peace.  Social Security and Medicare.  I don't care if she started a women's shelter or whatever 20 year ago. I want to know what her budget priorities are NOW.

                    Bernie of course is not a Democrat which pretty much proves the sad, sad, point that if you're looking for a candidate who shares your position on the issues you won't find the candidate running in the Democratic Party.  

                    But who needs issues, we have HILLARY.  Who cares about priorities, we have HILLARY.  We cares about the future, we have HIILLARY.  

              •  I Totally Agree (2+ / 0-)
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                middleagedhousewife, Ahianne

                with you.  She is are best chance to win but someone close to her and well respected by her needs to drill into her head that the current income disparity is not going to be solved by third way actions  I am NOT comforted when she says things like this.

                “The 1990s taught us that even in the face of difficult long term economic trends it’s possible through smart policies and sound investments to enjoy broad based growth and shared prosperity,”   This is her version of populism.    

                Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

                by tikkun on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:55:35 AM PDT

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                •  I can't imagine anything (4+ / 0-)

                  other than smart policies and sound investments that a President could do to create broad based growth. (Which is what we want, as that would reduce income inequality.) What concerns me is what sort of policies she considers "smart" and what sort of investments she considers "sound."

                  "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                  by raptavio on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:57:44 AM PDT

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                  •  smart and sound investments = TPP (0+ / 0-)

                    or, anything that Wall Street wants.

                    Hillary does not have the benefit of a glib tongue.

                    by The Dead Man on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:20:14 PM PDT

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                    •  Investing in our crumbling infrastructure (7+ / 0-)

                      is an investment, which is smart and sound, and serves our interests as much or more than Wall Street's. (Wall Street won't go crashing into the river when a bridge collapses.)

                      Investing in our schools and in life long education is a smart and sound investment that benefits us more than Wall Street.

                      Investing in new technologies (like additive manufacturing -- but that's my industry, so I'm biased) benefits us more than Wall Street.

                      What Hillary Clinton considers smart and sound investments are one thing. What actually ARE smart and sound investments, however, has little to do with your gloom-and-doom speak.

                      "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                      by raptavio on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:30:45 PM PDT

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              •  I understand the reference (1+ / 0-)
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                ChuckChuckerson

                That was my point.

                It's also three years out from primaries. At the very least we should be looking for other possible candidates. Taking Clinton as a given seems like a great example of giving up and not crashing the gates. Finding a real opponent to run, and not waiting for Warren, that isn't yet nationally known shouldn't be a problem. This is the biggest dem site out there, would it be difficult to use it to find some more candidates?

                If there a way we can look at the candidate pool across the country and look for new candidates here?

                If Clinton is inevitable in the primary then she's inevitable in the primary. Keeping her in the news for 3 years is not a good plan for anyone but the GOP.

                What it boils down to is that right now she is the best known possibility in 2016. That can change drastically in a couple of years and if we can draft Warren for senate then we can find someone in the house or senate to put forward. Demographic and environmental changes are happening fast, and for all we know there could be a major global warming disaster between now and then. If this next el Niño. Massive flooding in California for an extended period would be brutal, especially with the bee problems already

                No War but Class War

                by AoT on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:26:22 PM PDT

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                •  She'll be in the news for the next three years (6+ / 0-)

                  whether we participate or not.

                  All that'll happen if we don't is that the GOP will write the narrative unfettered by fact.

                  That is the one true inevitability in this entire scenario.

                  I'm all for keeping eyes and ears open for alternatives to Hillary. In the meantime, I see no value in purity trolling to knock her down. We have the GOP for that.

                  "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                  by raptavio on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:32:33 PM PDT

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                  •  What is an acceptable level of criticism? (1+ / 0-)
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                    ChuckChuckerson

                    Obviously, some criticism should happen. Where should that be at?

                    And I agree we should participate to some extent, but really, if we participate and just talk about how she's being unfairly attacked then it gives her an automatic advantage and doing that is a bad idea in my opinion.

                    There have to be a lot of local reps that are generally good on the issues and great on one issue out there. Maybe even someone from a union, god forbid. I'm just saying that not looking for a challenger is a bad idea. And if people know someone local then they should get their name out.

                    No War but Class War

                    by AoT on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:47:26 PM PDT

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                    •  Where would I draw the line? (2+ / 0-)
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                      Lysis, Shawn87

                      She comes out with a policy position or makes a statement in support of a bad thing.

                      Criticism of the form of 'What she supports is a bad thing. It's a really bad thing. Oppose this bad thing, everybody. Reconsider your support of this bad thing, Hillary.' Sounds good to me.

                      'She supports this Bad Thing therefore she's a neoliberal Wall Street sellout and just as bad as the GOP' sounds stupid to me.

                      That's my personal position. Your mileage may vary.

                      "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                      by raptavio on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:52:12 PM PDT

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                      •  So then nothing to talk about with her record? (0+ / 0-)

                        Because that is the information we have to consider. If we only criticize new positions she takes then there will be no criticisms.

                        No War but Class War

                        by AoT on Mon May 19, 2014 at 02:30:21 PM PDT

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                        •  Okay. Let's go with that scenario (2+ / 0-)
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                          AoT, Shawn87

                          (and I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth about things I haven't addressed)....

                          "Hillary supported X as Senator. X is a bad thing. We should oppose X and pressure Hillary to say that if elected President she will oppose X."

                          Versus

                          "Hillary supported X as Senator. This shows she's a neoliberal corporatist sellout who is a DINO."

                          What's going to be more productive?

                          "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                          by raptavio on Mon May 19, 2014 at 03:01:09 PM PDT

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      •  Same as the hypocritical ageism of Democratic (1+ / 0-)
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        AlexDrew

        dickwads with regard to the GOP candidates you mentioned.  It was an issue in their campaigns and it will be an Issue in Hillary's.

        Reagan managed to overcome it, but he was a very charismatic man, as you would expect from an ex-actor.  Hillary is a lot of things, but I don't think she's ever been accused of substantial charisma.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:45:58 AM PDT

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    •  nose closepins (5+ / 0-)

      Perhaps you would like to buy one of my promotional nose clothes-pins, labeled "Hillary in 2016".

      You know the drill: lesser-of-two-evils, "politics is the art of the possible",  you've got to play the long game, and so on.

      And meanwhile, remember that half of the people on the net saying "there's just no difference between the two parties!" are hired shills trying to keep the other side's base at home.

      (And if I may air my own personal peeve: this is 2014.  Isn't there an election this year?  Could it be we should be doing something about it?)

    •  Again, you fight candidates with candidates. (6+ / 0-)

      Go get one, and we can have it out.  Fighting something with nothing is nihilism.  I think that's why they invented the word, in fact.

      It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

      by Rich in PA on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:17:32 AM PDT

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      •  Catch 22, it seems the party and/or her boosters (1+ / 0-)
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        greenbell

        are clearing the field of those candidates.

        At best, progressives will have Sanders in the primary and the Green party in the general if they don't want to compromise their principles.

        Hillary does not have the benefit of a glib tongue.

        by The Dead Man on Mon May 19, 2014 at 02:16:14 PM PDT

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        •  I don't understand that, honestly. (2+ / 0-)
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          Shawn87, Dr Swig Mcjigger

          What kind of would-be President is scared off by that kind of thing?  Say what you will about Obama, and I said it all when he ran against Clinton, but the proof that he was presidential was that he undertook something in the face of people who said it was hopeless, because he felt it was worth doing.

          It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

          by Rich in PA on Mon May 19, 2014 at 03:26:40 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Then go troll a real macro-economics blog. nt (0+ / 0-)
    •  I misread the title as "bad mouth"... (0+ / 0-)

      oops.  

      Hillary 2016.  Her candidacy will drive the right wing into a apoplectic rage.

    •  i like Hillary...have always like Hillary (4+ / 0-)
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      mikeVA, Lysis, Shawn87, Dr Swig Mcjigger

      ...and can't wait to vote for her. that she's not an ideologically pure liberal progressive doesn't matter that much. such a candidate would win 20% of the vote max.

      "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war." -Mark Twain

      by humanistique on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:14:20 PM PDT

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  •  Is this Reince character for real? (17+ / 0-)

    Remember 3rd or 4th grade where the bullies are picking on a kid on the playground, and there's this little scrawny kid standing behind the bullies egging them on, and then when they turn in his direction he runs like hell?  That was Reince.

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:35:21 AM PDT

    •  You know, anyone who was worried (5+ / 0-)

      about the elections this year and how bad they might be for Democrats should thank their lucky stars that Rinse My Prius is in charge of the GOP. Rinsey makes me feel better about our chances all the time!

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:12:08 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Not only him, but the actual (3+ / 0-)
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        tikkun, middleagedhousewife, Shawn87

        candidates, too.  Their total lack of empathy is cause for concern, and some on their side can actually see it.  Especially those who need unemployment extensions in order to survive, which these guys refuse to even bring up for a vote.  Keep it up GOP.  They can't become irrelevant quick enough for me.

        The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

        by AnnieR on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:23:11 AM PDT

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    •  RNC PR BS (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Poor Rinse Penis, (0+ / 0-)

      now there's a man who in need of therapeutic testosterone injections.  After all, it helped raise Mark Levin's voice a few  octaves higher from alto soprano to soprano.

    •  Oh. My. God. Finally! (1+ / 0-)
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      AnnieR

      I used to post on HuffPo until they became completely unreasonable.  

      During the time I posted there, I cannot tell you how many times I tried to post my  nearly identical opinion of that smarmy, weasely, little pantywaist - most of my comments about him were disappeared before they ever hit the page but oh, how right you are!

      He's the one that everyone in the entire school hated.  And he stumbled across a political party where he and every one of his fellow maladjusted little freaks, from every school in every city, county and village in this nation are now welcomed, as long as their rich daddies put the money under the door first.  

      They have, of course, nearly destroyed that once- respected party and are putting the finishing touches on its funeral pyre with every word they say, every speech they make, and every rotten vote they cast.  

      Oh, yeah, and with every lunatic "We're all going to meet here in Washington, arrest the President, and take over the Government" rally they support.  

  •  You obviously forgot The Golden Rule: (1+ / 0-)
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    IOKIYAR

  •  Back here on Earth: (9+ / 0-)

    Christie can't be their nominee; he will be in jail or disgraced or something.

    That's snark.

    He's skating as predicted.  I think Fitz's Ghost is handling the 'investigation.'  

    You remember ol' Fitz, right?

    "Karl, is that your final answer or do you need some time to shine it up?  Now ... no more than 3 or 4 tries!  I am a serious man, not at all a Republican hack!"

  •  I get what Priebus is trying to do, .... (10+ / 0-)

    but from their standpoint, this is waayy too early.  Yes, I know that they will "remind" people over the next 2.5 years, but wouldn't that just dilute the impact?  I guess that don't have anything better to do.  Not good for them if that's true.  They just can't seem to find someone to sincerely and enthusiastically get behind, so this is what they are left with.

    •  I think you're right about that. (0+ / 0-)

      Worse, it will dilute the impact of any new non-shocking or obviously-debilitating health issue.

      "Oh, that again? These guys never give up, do they?"

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:47:59 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  They're trying to draw her out (0+ / 0-)

      She's busy attending her plutocrat dinners and hiding behind the OH!!!! WOW!!!!! HILLARY!!! let's nominate her before she has to state a position on any issue crowd.

      Heck, if the Republicans figure out a way to smoke her out of the closed door dinners, I'll be thrilled.  Maybe we'll find out if she wants to do anything more than have dinner with rich people.

  •  It's just GOP-speak (11+ / 0-)

    Translation: My God, PLEASE don't let Hillary run!

    I don't know if Ghandi actually said "I love your Christ, but I don't like your Christians", but I'm gonna keep attributing it to him. If he didn't actually say it, he was probably thinking it.

    by pearlsarefuzzy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:39:19 AM PDT

  •  GOP math in November (11+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:39:21 AM PDT

  •  The real story (14+ / 0-)

    If any of the feckless wonks on CNN or the network news stations want to do a real story, it's on how the republicans have built a 20 year propaganda machine that can catapult smears like that into national debates.

    If Wolf Blitzer discussed that, he might actually do some "newsin'" on CNN.  

    Which would be a first.

  •  (R)s think the same of Hillary that they do (14+ / 0-)

    women in general - all such fragile little things, don'tcha know...

    They've attacked her as much as they think they can get away with in the last 30 days. They think those attacks were brilliant and successful. Therefore their current statements.

    But while they are busy patting themselves on the back for the propaganda BS they've put forth, much of the rest of the country is paying attention to the real issues.

    (R)s won't even be aware of that until it bites them on election night 2014 - just like it did on election night 2012...

  •  Don't know why you think Chris Christie is (0+ / 0-)

    the GOP's best hope.

    From the same group of polls, Jeb Bush has a considerably lower unfavorable rating than Christie with a similar favorable rating.  More important, his ratings have been on the rise lately while Christie's have gone into the tank.

    HRC might also be the only candidate who wouldn't get much bounce from "Do we really want another Bush in the White House?"

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:41:09 AM PDT

    •  Doesn't matter. Neither Christie nor Jeb (1+ / 0-)
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      Matt Z

      stands a chance of being the candidate. They should be polling Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Paul Ryan. Those guys have a shot. You're not thinking like a GOP primary voter.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:15:45 AM PDT

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      •  Raises a good question: Who will be GOP primary (0+ / 0-)

        voters this year?

        Lots of open primaries made for independent voters like me.
        The threat of Rand Paul is enough to get me out.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:13:23 PM PDT

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  •  Christie their best hope? (7+ / 0-)

    I think that boat has already sailed. I would prefer to see the favorabilities of Jeb Bush or whoever their other potential candidates are. That would be more useful.

  •  I don't know how much this last month figures (1+ / 0-)
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    anastasia p

    in, but I'm not convinced she'll run in 2016 just because she'll be 69 come inauguration day, and has already given much of her life to public service.  She may just decide to pass the torch and take a well-earned rest of her life.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:43:28 AM PDT

    •  Because some people don't rest (1+ / 0-)
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      Lysis

      Seriously, though, what's the point in resting?

      "Moon landing was real. Evolution exists. Tax cuts lose revenue. The research has shown this a thousand times. Enough already." - Austan Goolsbee

      by anonevent on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:50:17 AM PDT

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    •  Congrats (3+ / 0-)
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      tikkun, Shawn87, Dr Swig Mcjigger

      For engaging in the same 'hypocritical ageism' you derided Democratic dickwads for engaging in reference to Dole and McCain a few posts above.  So what if Democrats are dickwads for engaging as you say in these attacks on GOP presidential candidates because of their age, what does that make you for doing the same?  Her age is frankly irrelevant.  Her years of public service are what make her such an exceptionally qualified candidate regardless of ideology.  

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:04:42 AM PDT

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      •  How do you figure? Just because you want to throw (0+ / 0-)

        on rose-colored glasses, it does not make age irrelevant.

        I honestly wish that it were -- I could really use the energy, strength and flexibility that I had in my younger days.

        Question:  Will you think less of her is she decides that she doesn't have the fire in her belly for another Presidential run?
        Shouldn't she have the right to make that choice?

        If you think that she does have that right, then what, exactly, is wrong with my comment?

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:15:21 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  I 100% agree with this (1+ / 0-)
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      and predictably someone has falsely branded it "ageism." Fact is, she has earned the right to do what she wants, enjoy her life and cash in if she so chooses. A presidential campaign is two years spent in buses, hotel rooms and on planes.  Of COURSE she has earned the right to pass on that. and I think there's a better than even chance she will.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:17:40 AM PDT

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      •  Agreeing with Dinotrac, that is (1+ / 0-)
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        Totally disagree with DisNoir35. Age is far from "irrelevant" to a presidential candidate, and all Dinotrac was saying was that Hillary has earned the right to enjoy her life on her own terms and not be governed by the hectic schedule of a presidential campaign.

        Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

        by anastasia p on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:21:45 AM PDT

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        •  Yours and Dinotrac's comments make me laugh (3+ / 0-)
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          "She's earned the right to get out of the way."  You two are in an awful big rush to tell her what she should do.

          "Moon landing was real. Evolution exists. Tax cuts lose revenue. The research has shown this a thousand times. Enough already." - Austan Goolsbee

          by anonevent on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:36:57 AM PDT

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          •  Seems to me like the Hillary "supporters" are (0+ / 0-)

            telling her what she should do, kind of like stage mothers at a a Little Miss Tiara contest.

            She might well run.  

            Bob Dole was 4 years older than Clinton will be if she runs.  John McCain was 2 years older.  
            They both got creamed.

            "Old man" Ronald Reagan was about the same age as HRC when he ran.  We all know that he won and held on to win a second term.

            Those candidates are notable for being exceptions to the rule and, Reagan aside, did not meet with much success.

            There's also the matter of the state of the nation.  We tend not to elect the same party to the White House for 3 consecutive cycles.  It's only happened once since the passage of the 22nd amendment.  A resurgent economy could encourage her to buck that history, a continued drag could make her think twice.

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:23:41 PM PDT

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      •  I just don't see her passing on it (3+ / 0-)
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        This is Hillary Clinton we're talking about.  She has been part of some political process since college. I think her "resting" right now is getting prepared for a run.  Which is also her right.

        "Moon landing was real. Evolution exists. Tax cuts lose revenue. The research has shown this a thousand times. Enough already." - Austan Goolsbee

        by anonevent on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:35:31 AM PDT

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    •  She's running. (3+ / 0-)
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      Three of his key political advisers — Jim Messina, Jeremy Bird and Mitch Stewart — have gone to super PACs supporting Hillary.

      David Plouffe, the president’s former top political adviser, said Hillary could call him for advice and told Bloomberg’s Al Hunt that “there’s very little oxygen” for another Democrat to challenge her.

      These guys would not waste their time if she wasn't running.

      New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

      by AlexDrew on Mon May 19, 2014 at 02:13:40 PM PDT

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  •  Christie - Health? Well at least... (0+ / 0-)

    they'll have to buy new engines for AF-1, designed to carry a heavier load. Not to mention Marine 1.

    Hhaahahaha.

    However:

    Warren/Sanders 2016!!!

    That'd be my choice.

    --UB.

    The Republican Party is run by the KOCH BROTHERS.

    by unclebucky on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:46:21 AM PDT

  •  In order to regain the White House, GOP (10+ / 0-)

    has to do several things:

    1)  Resolve the Tea Party - Business Republican civil war and unite behind a common banner (one that doesn't say "Don't Tread on Me" is probably wise)

    2)  Embrace the Latino community and pass immigration reform

    3)  Abandon social issues like abortion and gay marriage as your only central tenets

    4)  Appeal to younger voters as they need to replace an aging, dying base

    5)  Find a standard bearer for the party with true appeal rather than simply the labels "not-Obama" or "least crazy out of all these other nutjobs"

    They have done NONE of these.  They haven't even started.  

    They might be able to gerrymander their way to continued control of the House in the near term, but the White House is a pipe dream right now.  As the economy continues to improve, their chances in 2016 dim further.

    Not to say Democrats can't find a way to fuck it up or that we should relax, but the Republican Party, in my opinion, is dying.

    Your kids are more than a test score, and so are their teachers.

    by gtnoah on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:46:31 AM PDT

    •  change on climate change (1+ / 0-)
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      "The Nation" claims that a majority of young Republicans think climate change denialism is crazy.

    •  This is why I keep saying (0+ / 0-)

      we can do better than Hillary. Unless they do #1 — and that means getting the Tea Party under complete control and rebuking their extremism without alienating their base, good luck with that — probably within the next six months, they have virtually no hope of nominating  an electable candidate.

      And since being anti-immigration is the #1 litmus test for that crazy base, they can't do #2. It's one reason all the Jeb talk is media wishful thinking. (it's not his only crushing liability but it's certainly the biggest).

      And no, they don't seem to be doing #3, #4 or #5 either. The more they don't, the less we need a middle-of-the-road retread like Hillary.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:25:40 AM PDT

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      •  They have a VERY long list of "saviors" (2+ / 0-)
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        Rick Perry
        Bobby Jindal
        Donald Trump
        Chris Christie
        Marco Rubio
        Sarah Palin

        They all flamed out after a short distance.  And they do not have what anyone would call a deep bench.

        Jeb Bush is just the last pinch hitter anyone can think of.  I think he'd get his ass handed to him.

        Your kids are more than a test score, and so are their teachers.

        by gtnoah on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:42:19 AM PDT

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        •  I think Paul Ryan could do it IF they could (0+ / 0-)

          assemble the right team to package him.  He's paid his dues to the far right.  What he really needs is someone who can help position him in the center with some good speeches and messaging like they did for Reagan.

          I don't think Republicans need Latinos.  They need Germans.  They need a candidate who can win from Pennsylvania through Iowa and who can come off more youthful and forward looking than Hillary.  

          It's hard to say how she'll do in a campaign.  It's probably Hillary's campaign to lose.  But if they shelter her too long, she may come off as stale, out of touch, self-absorbed and arrogant.  Arrogance doesn't sell in the Midwest and until demographics change, that's still where the election is won or lost.  

  •  gerrymand (2+ / 0-)
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    Since you can't gerrymand presidential elections (more than they already are), Dems will probably win in 2016.  But, they will probably fall further behind in state legislatures, where Rs are now dispensing the most pain.  We're playing whack a mole---except it's not a game.

    Actions speak louder than petitions.

    by melvynny on Mon May 19, 2014 at 10:48:17 AM PDT

    •  You are correct, and that's why you hear the (2+ / 0-)
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      wingers yowling to move all meaningful actions back to the states, Tenth Amendment references.  GOP controlled Michigan has had its once inspiring labor history nearly erased from our history books.  The middle class and old pensioners are paying the freight for increased oil and gas exploration, relaxed air and water pollution standards by the steel companies, and bizarre controls on women's reproductive lives.  

      Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

      by judyms9 on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:00:14 AM PDT

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    •  Actually, no (0+ / 0-)

      State legislatures will probably stay the same since gerrymandering froze most of the districts. They handful they didn't freeze will probably flip to the Democrats because of their extremist policies and actions. But I'd look for pretty much the status quo in state legislatures, not Republicans picking up any of the overwhelmingly Democrat districts they had to create in order to seize control of the legislatures. That's unlikely.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:28:01 AM PDT

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  •  Rethugs Will Rely on Election Fraud (1+ / 0-)
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    because it helped that idiot George W. Bush become president twice.

    Of course, they might have to feed Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito, and Kennedy fetus blood chocked full of stem cells to keep them alive for the final pronouncement of Jeb over Hillary as our 2016 president.

  •  Typical troll behaviour... (7+ / 0-)

    Make shit up all week about someone, then ruminate about what a "bad week" they just had...

    Assholes...

    Baby, where I come from...

    by ThatSinger on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:01:29 AM PDT

  •  consider Bush vs Kerry (0+ / 0-)

    "By the way, if that guy ends up being their nominee, do they really want to make health an issue?"

    When Bush Jr. was their candidate, they went after Kerry claiming he was a phoney war hero.  

    Selling Christ Christie as a paragon of health is not a problem.

  •  Wonder what Doc Priebus thinks of Christie's (2+ / 0-)
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    morbid obesity and its impact on his health and by extension his fitness for the presidency.

  •  The man was born (0+ / 0-)

    to head the RNC. If you remove all the vowels from his name you get RNC PR BS.

    You can wake someone who is sleeping, but you cannot wake someone who is pretending to sleep.

    by gnothis on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:12:51 AM PDT

  •  I can't be the only person alarmed... (1+ / 0-)
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    that her favorable rating is 50% and her unfavorable rating is 42%, can I?

    Those aren't good numbers for a person this far out from an election.

    I know it's different with Sec. Clinton, seeing how she's been a national public figure for more than two decades and that many people have already made up their minds about her.

    But still...

    I hope, if she decides to run, that she has ample opposition from any number of Democrats who are mulling a run for the presidency.

    If she ends up as our nominee, of course she'll have my vote -- and my time -- but I wonder if there's a stronger candidate in our midst.

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:18:40 AM PDT

  •  Reince and Repeat. (1+ / 0-)
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    You won't get the smell out, but still.

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:19:34 AM PDT

  •  If Christie IS the nominee (1+ / 0-)
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    They will regret this line of attack. Big time. And frankly, I think Christie still has a shot. He's a crooked scumbag but what Republican isn't?

    Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

    by Matt Z on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:25:34 AM PDT

  •  How republican candidates can be sure not to lose: (0+ / 0-)

    Retire.  Resign.  Disband.  Disappear.  

    Immediately.  Completely.  Permanently.  Forever.  

    Or just croak already.  You're toast.  

  •  Bad news from Priebus.. (0+ / 0-)

    Rance has been recalled to his home planet, Priebus, where brain dead predictable yet random remarks are more prized..

  •  Wow; that's a really bad month... (0+ / 0-)

    ... oh, wait; that was Chris Christie.

    I thought he was "going there" regarding the month.

    These people are lowering my IQ just by reading about them.

    "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V

    by MikeTheLiberal on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:03:10 PM PDT

  •  Talking to themselves..about women (2+ / 0-)
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    It is amazing to me that the GOP's current strategy re: next President Clinton is to "scare her away." They think so little of women in general that they think that by sending Rove on TV to "dis" her health they will discourage her from running!

    In fact, Rove has just told the nation that the GOP considers anyone (especially a woman) over 65 senile and incompetent. Good luck where that gets ya with your reliable senior base, guys!

    Of course Reagan (whom I met when he was the leader of the free world and suffering the first, tragic symptoms of Alzheimer's) doesn't fall into Rove's vicious mischaracterization, because he's a man.

  •  from a medical point of view (0+ / 0-)

    when the subject flatlines, they're usually well on their way to being dead.

  •  HRC had a GOOD month. Any month w/sexism so (2+ / 0-)
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    obvious is a good month for the Likely First female POTUS.
    And, I am pretty dang sure women understand this and have been taking notes.

    And oh, btw, women are 53% of voters.

    BTW2, Rancid is a BacteriaThatWalkl'sLikeAMan. :)

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