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We've had three or four recent diaries calling out various front page articles and attitudes. On the whole, I think they've led to some interesting discussion. Whether they will make any difference - well, that's to be seen. Who knows? It certainly doesn't hurt to have a well written counterpoint going.

But the reason for this diary is much simpler than the desire to show off how much I'm reading lately. I was googling for Ray Pensador, which I do about once a week. Hey, reading his diaries and trying to reply civilly was what took me from a sometime commenter to a full fledged pain in the ass on Daily Kos. Besides, I really want to catch his book, if and when it comes out. But I digress.

In any case, a link came up I hadn't noticed before, to Booman Tribune, which linked back to this 2005 diary.

It's still worth reading. With just a bit of editing to swap in current events and current pie fights, it could have been written in the last month. And that makes me happy, somehow. The climate is going ass over teakettle, the Cold War seems to be starting up again, income inequality hasn't been this much of a problem for almost a century, Republicans are starting to wonder how they got into the mess/morass they're in (duh!), and voting rights have taken a couple of solid punches. But, from the level and nature of the criticism, Kos and this site are still committing the same intransigent, dunderheaded mistakes they always have.

Stability. I like that. ;)

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  •  Tip Jar (7+ / 0-)

    At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

    by serendipityisabitch on Thu May 22, 2014 at 09:42:18 AM PDT

  •  I must have missed something (1+ / 0-)
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    Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility. uid 52583 lol

    by terrypinder on Thu May 22, 2014 at 09:51:23 AM PDT

  •  Seems to me that meta and pie fights are as old as (1+ / 0-)
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    Dailykos itself. I previously thought it started with Obama.. On a side note, it looks to me that obamasux/rox war pales in comparison to the pro/anti Hillary wars. The Hillary wars are very intense and she hasn't even been elected. The pie fights will only get worse.

  •  Here's my comment from Booman's 2005 diary. (7+ / 0-)

    It still reflects exactly how I feel about this place today:

    You know what burns my ass?

    A flame about this high (holding hand, palm down, at ass height).

    That said, I think suggestions that the pie ads were intended to "cull the herd" are a bit tinfoily.  Okay.  More than a bit tinfoily.  Tinfoily enough to be able to intercept signals emanating from NASA's Jupiter explorer, Galileo, which truly is in its "last throes."  (Thanks, Dick.)

    I just don't believe the site is "turning people away."

    Hell, kos writes a diary and gets ripped on his own site (and it is his site, like it or not).

    Besides, why all the emphasis on what kos writes?  The diaries are more vibrant than the front page.  (Diaries whizzing by is a problem reflected in the shear number of people participating here -- the proverbial double-edged sword.)

    kos is only a piece of the bigger pie (fight) here.  Just because he dumps on the demonstration (a point I vehemently disagree with) doesn't mean he's "turning people away."

    On the contrary, Meteor wrote a sterling (newberry) diary taking kos to task.

    I think you may be mistaking agreement for community.  I live in a vibrant community where people disagree all the time.  In fact, I was at an aldermanic ward meeting last night that got quite heated at times.  But you know what?  At the end of the meeting, folks on opposing sides of hot issues agreed that the discussion was terrific and that both sides had learned something.  That's the joy of living in a dynamic community.

    We don't all agree all the time.

    I'm all for a big tent and a thriving comunity, but I sure as hell hop we all don't always agree.  That would not only be incredibly boring, it would be unhealthy.

    Lieberman/Bayh `08: Because America needs a nap!

    by Bob Johnson on Wed Sep 28, 2005 at 11:34:13 PM CDT

    "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

    by Bob Johnson on Thu May 22, 2014 at 10:20:12 AM PDT

  •  Lockstep is for the other guys. (1+ / 0-)
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    During the many years that the Right enjoyed an unjustified reputation as knowing what's best for America, they were fond of pointing out how the Left just couldn't get it together and were always bickering among themselves.

    Well, that's the way Democracy is supposed to look. The Left is the home of individualism of thought, of consensus-seeking, of determining the best strategy for the most people. We do not take marching orders nor rehearse talking points.
    What the Right and their believers perceived as chaos was and is Democracy at its most healthy.

    The same applies on blogs. We often have a passionate exchange of ideas here. Who would have it any other way? The idea of lockstep philosophy is aberrant to us Lefties. Progressivism is not a method of mass production.

    With the breadth of freedom our side embraces, how could it be any other way?

    "Non-violence is a powerful and just weapon which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by Gentle Giant on Thu May 22, 2014 at 10:49:22 AM PDT

  •  In your view... (1+ / 0-)
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    Do you think the "divisiveness" here has subsided now that one of the more prolific posters supposedly sowing it has been gone for awhile? That seemed to be the biggest gripe many of his critics seemed to have — that he was somehow a grave threat to the very existence of this site. And no, that's not hyperbole on my part, several said as much on more than one occasion.

    So, are things better, as in, more "mellow?" The same?

    Your diary — its closing sentence, at least — gives me the impression that you lean more towards the latter.

    Like a bowl of Jello, push down in one spot and it pops up in another.

    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

    by DeadHead on Thu May 22, 2014 at 12:35:28 PM PDT

    •  Nah. Never happen. There will always be one or (2+ / 0-)
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      Hey338Too, DeadHead

      more grave threats to the existence of this site (usually more) posting on a regular basis. Generally, per commenters, they will include Kos.

      I'm really grateful to Daily Kos. Before I found it, I still retained some illusions about the majesty of the political process. The illusions are pretty well smashed to smithereens, but I'm more and more pleasurably astonished at how much people get accomplished amid, and in spite of, the bickering. It's a good thing, I think.

      We had an eight day semi-mellow period this month, when pretty much everybody was agreeing that Benghazi, Bundy, and Karl Rove were idiotic, but it didn't last. Dull, really. ;)

      At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

      by serendipityisabitch on Thu May 22, 2014 at 12:58:26 PM PDT

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      •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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        Did anyone EVER really disagree with the idiocy of those three topics/people? Not really.

        It's the disagreement, generally speaking, that's always made it interesting for me.

        That's one of the reasons why I liked Ray's diaries so much. Obviously I agreed with many of his views on things, but it was the rather vibrant "disagreement" in the comment sections that I found most interesting. Seems you did, too, to some degree.

        I think it was the rate at which he posted that seemed to foster this notion of his "destructiveness," even though certainly wasn't out of the ordinary — several people post with such regularity, even more, actually, than he did.

        In any case, I'm glad there remain a few diarists who choose to take on the more "unpleasant" topics this site oftentimes seems reluctant to address with much more than dismissive scorn.

        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

        by DeadHead on Thu May 22, 2014 at 01:47:02 PM PDT

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