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The new Competitive Enterprise Institute plan for dealing with climate change is in: We'll just take our coastal cities and move them somewhere else.
Marlo Lewis, senior fellow of the fossil fuel-funded Competitive Enterprise Institute, argued that moving regions that will be affected by sea level rise is a better idea than taking efforts to mitigate climate change.

During the May 20 episode of NPR's On Point, Lewis was hosted alongside two climate experts to discuss the recent findings that the collapse of a West Antarctic ice sheet "appears unstoppable," and will cause global sea levels to rise of ten feet or higher in the next 200 to 1,000 years. Lewis dismissed taking action to reduce our carbon emissions, saying we could simply adapt to the effects of climate change.

Host Tom Ashbrook challenged him, saying, "So you're saying move New York, move Miami, move Southern Florida, move Boston?" Lewis responded, "Yeah." His reasoning: "The built environment from the studies I've seen, most building stock turns over in about 50 years. And so the markets adapt to this sort of phenomenon anyway."

Problem solved.



Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on this date in 2012Supreme Court confronts in vitro fertilization technology:

Karen and Robert Capato were married in August 1999, but the honeymoon ended quickly as Robert was diagnosed with esophageal cancer. Before starting chemo which might render him sterile, he had his sperm frozen. He died in March 2002. Karen used his sperm to conceive a child in January 2003, and in September 2003—18 months after Robert Capato’s death—she gave birth to twins.  

The Social Security Act of 1939 allows for survivor benefits for "the child or legally adopted child of an [insured] individual," and so Karen applied for Social Security survivor benefits for the twins. The United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit agreed with her application, holding: "What is before us is a discrete set of circumstances and the narrow question posed by those circumstances: are the undisputed biological children of a deceased wage earner and his widow 'children' within the meaning of the Act? The answer is a resounding 'Yes.'"

The Social Security Administration appealed, and today the Supreme Court of the United States resoundingly said 'No.'" Or, at least, "Look, it's a close call, and the SSA is entitled to the benefit of the doubt."


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On today's Kagro in the Morning show: Today's Twitter buzz: a "rural only" feeding program for poor kids? Why we militarize cops. Greg Dworkin's post-primary news & polling, new high in acceptance of marriage equality, and the real problem at the heart of things like the growing VA scandal. Joan McCarter on the latest gun rights conspiracy theory, wrapping up on the ID-Gov primary, the national Gop's witch hunt for ACA heretics & yet more false equivalence on equivocation on health care. Harry Reid's talking rules change, again. The net neutrality fight continues, as coalitions fray. What happens when Republicans get tripped up by voter ID laws.



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  •  California Fracking Moratorium Blogathon - Day #2 (9+ / 0-)

    Another four diaries were posted throughout the day.  If you didn't get the chance to read or rec any of them them, please do so.  Thanks.

    Earlier diaries are here.  The below diaries are scheduled for tomorrow.  See you there!


    California Fracking Moratorium Blogathon
    May 20-May 23, 2014


    Diary Schedule - All Times Pacific




    • Thursday, May 22

    10:00 am: HipHopTC.
    11:00 am: James Wells.
    1:00 pm: Kandi Mossett, Climate Campaign Organizer for the Indigenous Environmental Network (IEN).
    2:00 pm: Linda Capato, Fracking Campaign Coordinator for 350.org.
    3:00 pm: FishOutofWater.
    5:00 pm: Richard Heinberg, Senior Fellow at the Post Carbon Institute.

    Our Daily Kos community organizers are Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse, boatsie, rb137, JekyllnHyde, citisven, peregrine kate, John Crapper, Aji, and Kitsap River, with Meteor Blades serving as the group's adviser.


    Please tweet all diaries posted during the day, adding the hashtag #SB1132. Feel free to link to your Facebook pages, and remember to republish each diary to your DK Groups. You can also follow all postings by clicking this link for the Climate Change SOS Blogathon Group. Then, click 'Follow' and that will make all postings show up in 'My Stream' of your Daily Kos page. Graphic Credit: 350.org.

    Helping Fineena - A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma

    by JekyllnHyde on Wed May 21, 2014 at 08:30:47 PM PDT

  •  And so... (11+ / 0-)

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Wed May 21, 2014 at 08:33:11 PM PDT

  •  Which Sort of Phenomenon is Global Sea Rise? (13+ / 0-)

    The last market that adapted to this was one family and 6 million animals in a boat.

    All the bankers drowned.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed May 21, 2014 at 08:33:12 PM PDT

  •  Apparently, Marlo Lewis, will be fine (11+ / 0-)

    with re-locating all of his industry's refinery operations.

    "Go well through life"-Me (As far as I know)
    This message will self-destruct upon arrival in the NSA archives in Utah.

    by MTmofo on Wed May 21, 2014 at 08:37:12 PM PDT

  •  I should have known "The Markets" (7+ / 0-)

    were the cure for Climate Change and rising sea levels. duh.

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    by winkk on Wed May 21, 2014 at 08:37:40 PM PDT

  •  Easy to mock, but wrong. (8+ / 0-)

    We absolutely have to consider alternatives like relocating people from endangered coastal areas.

    Why?

    We don't know that we can prevent the onslaught of rising sea levels which means we have to understand the cost of moving people compared to the cost of ever-rising seawalls or whatever "solution" might be proposed.

    We are stuck with global warming for many years to come, if only because CO2 takes a long time to dissipate from the atmosphere.

    We are also stuck with it because CO2 emissions continue to rise, fueled by a growing China and "3rd world".  We cannot stop the rise alone and we have no control over the rest of the world.

    We must continue trying, but it's idiotic to plan only for success.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Wed May 21, 2014 at 08:40:23 PM PDT

    •  In floodplain management (5+ / 0-)
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      we talk about this a good bit.  It is often better economically to move buildings and even whole towns out of the floodplain, rather than to keep rebuilding them after they're destroyed.

      Coastal inhabitants don't stand a chance with hurricanes on top of sea rise.  It would be a huge economic drain on the country to continue rebuilding there.  

      I think relocation makes a lot of sense.

    •  Thank you for being the voice of reason (1+ / 0-)
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      Climate change is now inevitable. Areas like where I live, and Bill McKibben used to live, need to think about an influx of people and coastal folk need to realize their grand kids probably won't be living where they did.

      There are areas on Staten Island wiped out by Sandy that are now going to be left bare, to go back to marshes. Hundreds of houses, just on Staten Island, are being abandoned. Along the east coast, the number is thousands. Life will change. Let's stop mocking it and make a plan.

      Republicans: They care about you until you are born.

      by adigal on Thu May 22, 2014 at 03:30:16 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I live in Hudson County NJ (0+ / 0-)

        right outside of Manhattan. We got creamed by Sandy. My dad, who lives at the Jersey shore, got it even WORSE. Makes me kind of glad my fiance & I are planning to move to Warren County NJ about 60 miles from here (right by the PA order).

        A village can not reorganize village life to suit the village idiot.

        by METAL TREK on Thu May 22, 2014 at 04:45:21 AM PDT

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    •  USA has emitted most CO2 in history. By far. (0+ / 0-)

      It's astounding to me that commenters propagate misinformation like blaming the "3rd world" for global warming:

      We are also stuck with it because CO2 emissions continue to rise, fueled by a growing China and "3rd world".  We cannot stop the rise alone and we have no control over the rest of the world.
      Shouldn't we blame the world's biggest all-time emitters?
      1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA   92,739,807 1000s of tons
      2 RUSSIAN FEDERATION*   37,562,270
      3 CHINA (MAINLAND)  29,575,206
      4 GERMANY   22,283,279
      5 UNITED KINGDOM  19,895,515
      6 JAPAN   13,857,045
      7 FRANCE (INCLUDING MONACO) 9,175,102
      8 INDIA   8,706,956
      9 CANADA   6,964,865
      10 POLAND   6,372,356
      Wow, no "3rd-world" countries. It's the biggest developed industrial economies. Fancy that.

      While it's very nice the Great Recession helped depress US CO2 emissions back to 1990s levels, that rate of emission is still unsustainably high. In fact, the US rate of CO2 emission per capita is outrageously high, #2 in the world and twice that of China's.

      Finally, it's perverse and wrong to state that the USA has no control over Chinese CO2 emissions. Our refusal to sign climate treaties aside, the USA has more direct leverage. Like smartphones, flat-screen TVs and all the goodies we buy at Walmart? Guess what? They are all made in China and are the exact principal cause for Chinese CO2 emissions. The USA and and does control those emissions, outsourced right along with our outsourced jobs.

      Global warming will need to be addressed in many ways. But blaming the rise in CO2 on China and the "3rd world" is a brutal massacre of reality and an obfuscation of our responsibility. Such an allegation can't be made with a straight face at the same time the US is busy exporting tar sands oil and natural gas in the midst of its own gigantic fossil fuel export boom. Nope.

      •  Amazingly wrong-headed analysis. (0+ / 0-)

        Congratulations.  I'm impressed.

        The truth, however, is CO2 emissions would continue to rise even if US emissions stopped completely.

        China now emits nearly 3 times as much CO2 as the US and continues to increase its output.
        Ditto for a number of other Asian economies.

        You may think that all of that Chinese CO2 is somehow magical and doesn't influence the climate because the Chinese haven't yet had enough time to catch up with the Big Bad Satan's historical emissions, but -- guess what?

        The planet doesn't give a damn.
        There's X in the air now. Adding Y more makes it X+Y - Z, where Z is the amount absorbed back into rocks, etc.

        Please feel free to stoke your hatred to your heart's content, but the rest of us really need to deal with this problem.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Thu May 22, 2014 at 05:31:39 AM PDT

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        •  Sorry you are offended by facts and statistics. (0+ / 0-)

          I expressed no analysis, but merely listed acknowledged facts with links to back up each contention.

          The actual truth is, the US is and was the prime creator and the prime motor today for continued global warming.

          There's no getting around that fact.

          Not only are we STILL the second largest per capita emitter of CO2 on the planet (fact, linked above), we are a both a large fossil fuel exporter (fact, linked above) AND a large consumer of Chinese goods predicated on low labor and emission standards (fact, linked above).  No analysis, mere facts.

          China's emissions grow because US companies, financiers and government invest heavily in Chinese industry, and intentionally craft policy to favor massive American consumption of cheap Chinese goods. No analysis, just fact.

          Any "adaptation" to global warming ought to go hand in hand with continued, concerted, serious efforts to extricate human societies from continuing to burn fossil fuels, and to profit from other societies' burning of fossil fuels.

          Yes, all CO2 warms the planet, regardless of its source.

          That is no reason to willingly blind ourselves to our own government's long-standing policy of remaining history's biggest CO2 emitter (and a leading current emitter!) while not only encouraging other countries (i.e., China) to emit, but reaping insane profits off that very emission.

          Blinding oneself to that reality is a simple refusal of fact.

          There is no hatred in my words, just an engagement with fact.

          •  Funny definition of facts. (0+ / 0-)

            China has always had the ability to demand that those operating within its borders not emit CO2, just as the US had the ability to demand the same of producers within its borders who exported abroad. Don't forget that the US was a significant net exporter for much of the period after WWII, so, by your calculus, you would have attribute much of that American CO2 elsewhere.

            In both cases, failure to do so was a simple business decision.

            And yes, plenty of hatred in your words.

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Thu May 22, 2014 at 06:51:01 AM PDT

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            •  Factual definition of facts. (0+ / 0-)

              No one is exculpating China, it is you who bizarrely seek to exculpate the USA as the primary motor for CO2 emission throughout human history and today. The facts disagree.

              Your tortured justification for American carbon emissions is pure farce. Are you unaware that the USA enjoyed superpower status from WWII to the present day? It had more power than any nation in human history to develop whatever kind of economy it wished.

              Even after the effect of USA CO2 emissions was scientifically demonstrated, profit took precedence over all else.

              Many simple business decisions in human history are immoral. And had severe consequences. Your defense of current and past American CO2 emissions is baseless and incoherent.

              Destroying the planet as a place fit for humans and ecosystems to flourish in order to make a buck is a dirty, ugly game.

              Viewing fact-based descriptions of that unfolding process as "hatred" entails the use of funhouse-distortion level lenses.

              •  There you go telling lies. (0+ / 0-)
                it is you who bizarrely seek to exculpate the USA as the primary motor for CO2 emission throughout human history and today.
                Pure lies.

                First: you have never and will never find anything I've written or said denying that the US is the single biggest contributor to historical emissions. CO2 emissions track well with prosperity, and the US enjoyed a tremendous economic boom after WWII.

                Same thing is driving emission increases in emerging economies.  People want goods. People want cars. People travel.

                Second: "and today". Simply false and you know it.

                That's enough on this topic for me. You cannot converse with people who lie and deny.

                LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                by dinotrac on Thu May 22, 2014 at 08:08:25 AM PDT

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                •  You say I lie, then deny US role in CO2 today! (0+ / 0-)

                  Ah, when forced to it, you finally admit the USA is the world's biggest CO2 emitter by a wide margin. But apparently, the USA need do nothing more than admit we did it and shrug. OK!

                  Then, in the face of all facts and all evidence, you deny that US policy and practice makes it the biggest contributor to global warming today.

                  The US implemented policies that intentionally shifted jobs and pollution to other nations. The US intentionally ramped up fossil fuel extraction the last few years, fuel it intentionally exports to be burned abroad for our profit. THE US intentionally created markets at home to consume the cheap goods thus produced.

                  There is no other way to read the last 40 years of American history. Denying that reality is disturbing to the point of absurd.

                  •  I thought I was done, but yet another lie. (0+ / 0-)

                    I did not admit that the US IS the world's biggest emitter because China IS the world's biggest emitter by a large margin.

                    Why I respond to  your addled hatred is beyond me, but I will do us both a favor now and stop.

                    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                    by dinotrac on Thu May 22, 2014 at 08:39:57 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  USA emitted far more CO2 than any other country. (0+ / 0-)

                      You know this, but dance endlessly around the reality.

                      US policy and practice intentionally promotes the continued massive emission of CO2 until the fossil fuels are all burned.

                      Only the most addled and self-deluded deny this simple fact.

                      This statement of fact destabilizes you.

                      But the fact remains unchallenged.

  •  "..we could simply adapt to the effects of climate (4+ / 0-)
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    change."
    Sounds like the people who advocated that Dems should skip the Benghazi hearings.
    There's no spin on a fucking forfeit.

    Courtesy, please. Unless the reply is idiotic. Then everybody's on their own.

    by franklyn on Wed May 21, 2014 at 08:41:48 PM PDT

    •  Like it or not, adapting has to be part of the (2+ / 0-)
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      plan.  Humans continue to dump increasing volumes of CO2 into the atmosphere. Global warming, and hence its effects, isn't going away any time soon and certainly not in the lifetime of anybody on the planet today.

      "Simply" adapting, on the other hand, probably isn't going to happen.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Thu May 22, 2014 at 01:38:10 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Sigh (6+ / 0-)

    Where does the right find all of these troglodyte phony tough-guys?

    Help Marine Todd Get His Message Out to the Nasty Hashtag Slacktivists:

    Oh, those damned namby-pamby leftists with their weak-ass hashtag slacktivism. If only they knew that what really changes the world is dudes with guns. Thankfully, Marine Todd here will set them straight. With a hashtag sign. Get it? Har har!

    Actually, it's not Marine Todd, it's a vet who hawks t-shirts with the military-themed apparel company Ranger Up. (Update: No, it is Marine Todd!) Like Ann Coulter, he's apparently worked up about Michelle Obama's #bringbackourgirls hashtag advocacy, for the girls kidnapped in Nigeria by the Islamist group Boko Haram. He wants to remind Real Murkans™ who really wears the tactical shorts in this jihadi-killing family. Much to the viral glee of Obama-hating conservative blogs like this and this and this.

    http://gawker.com/...

    “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Wed May 21, 2014 at 08:44:18 PM PDT

  •  Hate to say it, (10+ / 0-)

    but planning for large population shifts from coastal urban areas has to be discussed, as well as carbon emission reduction.

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Wed May 21, 2014 at 09:03:20 PM PDT

  •  Translation: The Rich will move to new CoastalCity (7+ / 0-)

    The rest of you can drown.

  •  The March for Democracy makes it to Lancaster (10+ / 0-)

    Previous diaries;

    March for Democracy Day 1

    March for Democracy Day 3 and 4

    We are in a hangout organizing tomorrow now.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Wed May 21, 2014 at 09:06:10 PM PDT

  •  So the clown from Big Oil....uh,....I mean, (3+ / 0-)
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    from the 'Competitive Enterprise Institute', thinks the best way to deal with Climate Change is to turn the country into Legoland and keep drilling?

    Pfft....only a moron could agree with that kind of idiocy.

    Unfortunately, this country is loaded with morons (the Republican base).

    Marlo Lewis, senior fellow of the fossil fuel-funded Competitive Enterprise Institute, argued that moving regions that will be affected by sea level rise is a better idea than taking efforts to mitigate climate change.

    “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Wed May 21, 2014 at 09:09:21 PM PDT

  •  Florida Climate CHange Acton Plan 2007 (6+ / 0-)

    Take a look at thisC2ES mapof the US which shows which states have finished there climate change action plans. and yep, Florida is one of them!

    The Florida Energy & Climate Commission, created by Governor Crist and the Florida Legislature in the 2008 Legislative session, is the primary organization for state energy and climate change programs and policies. The Commission is responsible for reviewing the Energy and Climate Change Action Plan annually, making recommendations, and monitoring legislative actions to ensure they meet the intended objectives.

    In addition, Executive Order (07-128) signed by Governor Crist created the Governor's Action Team on Energy and Climate Change in July 2007. The action team was tasked with creating a comprehensive Energy and Climate Change Action Plan for the state. One of the 6 Action Teams, focused on Adaptation, was responsible for developing "adaptation strategies to combat adverse impacts to society, public health, the economy, and natural communities in Florida." The Final Energy and Climate Change Action Plan was completed in October 2008, and includes a set of adaptation objectives for state consideration.

    lnFlorida communities prepare for rising seas: re Ft. Launderdale:
    The city also is considering stormwater parks — open spaces lined with plants, about the size of a few housing lots — where groundwater can be pooled to prevent flooding on surrounding property. And it is considering "bio-swales," narrow strips along roadways that are lined with vegetation and porous material to suck water more quickly below the surface.
    Gee, i didn't think climate change and sea level rise happened in red states.

    If you're not terrified into action by the IPCC's 5th Assessment , you're not human.

    by boatsie on Wed May 21, 2014 at 09:11:45 PM PDT

  •  That's "can-do" capitalism for ya! (4+ / 0-)
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    Marlo Lewis, senior fellow of the fossil fuel-funded Competitive Enterprise Institute, argued that moving regions that will be affected by sea level rise is a better idea than taking efforts to mitigate climate change.
    Regular mortals see an obstacle. Marlo Lewis, Super Capitalist, sees an OPPORTUNITY for $$$$! Save our Economy!

    Wait--- we've been missing it all along:

    THIS is the Republicans' Jobs Plan.

    Darling, you didn't use canned salmon, did you?

    by JrCrone on Wed May 21, 2014 at 09:11:59 PM PDT

    •  Sounds like Lex Luthor's plan (2+ / 0-)
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      from the first Superman movie (the one from 1978). Buy worthless desert land in AZ & NV, use a nuke to sink CA into the ocean, then reap the profits when AZ & NV become the NEW West Coast.

      The only difference is THIS plan is taking a bit longer...and is dangerously REAL!!!

      A village can not reorganize village life to suit the village idiot.

      by METAL TREK on Thu May 22, 2014 at 04:54:18 AM PDT

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  •  Marlo Lewis: Building stock turnover 50 years? (6+ / 0-)

    Marlo Lewis, another example of the Ugly American who can't see beyond borders.

    Leseee...some famous waterside cities that are older than 50 years.  

    Let's start with the most famous, Venice.  Its piling foundation is centuries old, and it oldest buildings and bridges are several hundred years old.   How would Marlo Lewis propose to relocate Venice inland?

    Marseille is the second largest city in France, has plenty of buildings that are a couple of hundred years old.

    And then there's Amsterdam with architecture dating back to the 14th century..heck, there's the entire Netherlands.    Would Marlo Lewis relocate the Netherlands inland to, say, Germany?

    And so on.  

    •  Thems furrin cities! (5+ / 0-)
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      Why should a proud Murican give a shit about them?

      Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. They lie through their teeth with their head up their behind. You open up their hearts and here's what you'll find - Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. John Prine

      by high uintas on Wed May 21, 2014 at 09:21:23 PM PDT

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    •  So I guess the Koch Brothers are planning on (4+ / 0-)
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      building a private mansion on top of a man made mountain, or something?

      Seriously, do these assclowns not realize that their money won't protect them from the effects of Climate Change if/when things start going to hell?

      “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Wed May 21, 2014 at 09:34:47 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  See my comment below... n/t (2+ / 0-)
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        Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

        by JeffW on Wed May 21, 2014 at 09:37:20 PM PDT

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      •  The Kochs live in Kansas (3+ / 0-)
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        They figure that they are safe from flooding, plus they will be dead by the time it gets really bad...

        I'm sure they aren't factoring in that global climate chaos will cause problems everywhere not just on the coasts and I have no idea if there are little Kochs or not.

        Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. They lie through their teeth with their head up their behind. You open up their hearts and here's what you'll find - Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. John Prine

        by high uintas on Wed May 21, 2014 at 09:40:29 PM PDT

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  •  1. Jack up rich people's buildings; (3+ / 0-)
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    2. Construct cellular concrete base;

    3. Build infill cellular concrete bases between said buildings;

    4. Construct dome overhead;

    5. See above, regarding Bugs Bunny. IOW, set adrift.

    Bon voyage, Mr. Lewis!

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Wed May 21, 2014 at 09:18:27 PM PDT

  •  I've got a fool proof plan . (2+ / 0-)
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    We take the tops off the mountains that are sitting over our coal plus all the left overs from burning coal and ship them to low lying places to build up the mean level . I'm telling you , whats not to love , trust me , have I ever mislead you before , etc

    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

    by indycam on Wed May 21, 2014 at 09:37:54 PM PDT

  •  In right wing comments, substitute the word (4+ / 0-)
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    "market(s)" for "God" and you make a clean transition: "Just let the markets (God) handle it."

    The markets see all, know all, handle all, and anticipate all. Ergo, God.

    "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

    by Wildthumb on Wed May 21, 2014 at 09:55:01 PM PDT

    •  Well observed. It is indeed worship. (2+ / 0-)
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      Markets are splendid tools for some jobs, and the left doesn't recognize this quite enough. BUT

      Tools have limitations and caveats which anybody with a job to do takes into account. It's a poor worker indeed who worships their tools. It's an idiot who sets out to build a house and says "my ratcheting screwdriver will take care of it".

      Anyone considering a dog for personal safety should treat that decision as seriously as they would buying a gun.

      by Dogs are fuzzy on Wed May 21, 2014 at 10:59:14 PM PDT

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  •  Story Of The Deadly Georgia Goober Militia (2+ / 0-)
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    http://www.newyorker.com/...

    The planned to overthrow the government but didn't get past killing a couple of their own members.

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Wed May 21, 2014 at 10:14:25 PM PDT

  •  This message brought to you by Florida Tourism: (3+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, Jeff Y, DrTerwilliker
    The driver of the pickup, apparently angry with Mr. Fedrick’s driving, parked and then exited the vehicle with a baseball bat. He then began chasing Mr. Fedrick’s car down 53rd Street with the bat, police said.
    Ya know, if I looked in my rearview and saw some bat-wielding bubba coming after me and my ride, my instinct would be to release the brake, drop the clutch and skedaddle. But not this guy...
    Mr. Fedrick told police that he believed the man was going to take a swing at his vehicle, so he stopped in front of KinderCare, 11501 N. 53rd St., and got out.
    And of course, this being The Gunshine State...
    Mr. Fedrick said he tripped and fell upon exiting his vehicle, and the man with the bat began charging at him. Fearing for his safety, Mr. Fedrick told police that he pulled a gun from his waistband and fired three shots at the man, The Tribune reported.
    Not enough common sense to just drive away + no real requirement to retreat + a Waistband Ninja license.

    On the bright side, Hannity's moving there.

    Every time Sam Brownback masturbates, a Kansan gets healthcare.

    by here4tehbeer on Wed May 21, 2014 at 10:20:50 PM PDT

  •  My blog post (1+ / 0-)
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    on the state of marriage equality, updated for Oregon and Pennsylvania.  
    http://spiderstumbled.blogspot.com/...

    "Unrestricted immigration is a dangerous thing -- look at what happened to the Iroquois." Garrison Keillor

    by Spider Stumbled on Wed May 21, 2014 at 10:32:26 PM PDT

  •  How do you move a nuclear reactor core? (3+ / 0-)
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    I guess you wrap it in ice or something. We've 16 active plants on the continental coastlines, and a bunch more 'retired' but still potent.
     


    A government is a body of people usually notably ungoverned. -- Firefly

    by Jim P on Wed May 21, 2014 at 11:27:23 PM PDT

    •  Plants get de-commissioned. It's not a new (2+ / 0-)
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      problem.

      Definitely part of the cost of abandoning the coastlines.

      Not a good solution - that would have been to STOP DUMPING CO2 INTO THE FREAKIN' ATMOSPHERE.  As that's not happening any time soon, bad and worse solutions await us.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Thu May 22, 2014 at 01:44:02 AM PDT

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      •  50 years to decommission (1+ / 0-)
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        at about $9B US. (of course there are always overruns, plus inflation over 50 years.) But this might become an emergency matter within a pretty short time.

        And then, where do we put all this shit?

        The plants leave us with massive expenses or else massive environmental damage should the seas rise high enough.

        For 100 US plants (riverbeds and lake shorelines are also sure to change) that's about $1 Trillion. Could have spent the money decades ago on even the now-primitive solar and wind alternatives and be in good shape. Nuclear is a multi-level disaster. And it just keeps giving.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/...
        The current estimate by the United Kingdom's Nuclear Decommissioning Authority is that it will cost at least £100 billion to decommission the 19 existing United Kingdom nuclear sites.[3] Due to the radioactivity in the reactor structure, decommissioning takes place in stages. The plans of the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority for decommissioning reactors have an average 50 year time frame. The long time frame makes reliable cost estimates difficult. Cost overruns are common even for quick projects.


        A government is a body of people usually notably ungoverned. -- Firefly

        by Jim P on Thu May 22, 2014 at 11:51:03 AM PDT

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        •  Wonderful. (2+ / 0-)
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          It just keeps getting better.

          Maybe we can start with something small: One year when all of the humans on the planet do not put out more CO2 than we did the year before.

          My fear is that it won't happen til a major hunk of us are killed by some major calamity.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Thu May 22, 2014 at 12:05:13 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  All the plants can start to be decommissioned, (2+ / 0-)
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            the world over, in just a few years if governments were as serious about putting Kinetic Energy systems in place as they are about buying new killing equipment, aka military weapons.


            A government is a body of people usually notably ungoverned. -- Firefly

            by Jim P on Thu May 22, 2014 at 12:16:19 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  the people who decry the costs of mitigation (3+ / 0-)
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    of carbon production are so blase about the costs of
    moving a city.

  •  Resilience, Groundwater, Fairness (1+ / 0-)
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    The dubious lifeboat strategies of the super-rich should not attract public interest beyond celebrity journalism. instead, we need to hold the public debate to facts (everybody has a right to their beliefs, public discourse must be based on facts) to bend the political discourse to respond in proportion to the issues of our time.

    Resilience to shocks from the environment and the global economy should be a top priority. It is a term gaining considerable traction at the moment.

    Groundwater is the form in which most of humanities accessible fresh water is tied up. Humans are hell on riparian habitat. For example, less than 4% of California's original riparian habitat remains intact, even with national forests and state parks. The great aquifers of the US have been subject to great abuses, yet the legal system is decades behind addressing the problem. Water wars in a disrupted climate are bound to get messy.

    Fairness. Whether or not you buy Thomas Piketty's argument on capital in the 21st century, it is clear that economic disparity is increasing. Particularly interesting at this point is how fair it is that one group profits off resources owned or paid for by all. This could encompass everything from potash royalties for extraction from federal lands to reimbursing the state for education of researchers that drive high-tech corporate profits.

  •  This shit makes my blood boil (3+ / 0-)
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    It's not enough that Arkansas Republicans have passed retrograde Voter Suppression laws. Now they're making voters answer quizzes about their ID's before they'll let them vote.

    Arkansas Voters Complain About Quizzing By Poll Workers Checking IDs:

    The American Civil Liberties Union of Arkansas has received numerous complaints from voters who say poll workers "quizzed" them about the information on their IDs, one of the organization's officials told TPM on Wednesday.

    "It's not one or two specific locations, we're hearing about it in various locations around the state," Holly Dickson, legal director at ACLU of Arkansas, said in an interview. "There may have been a coordinated effort to have poll workers enforce the law this way -- that remains to be seen, of course."

    "I was quizzed about my name, address and birthdate while the election volunteer held my license where I couldn't see it," one reader wrote to Brantley. "Is that also part of the photo ID law? I mean, my drivers license does have my photo right there on the front... Are we testing for fake IDs now, too?"

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/...

    “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Thu May 22, 2014 at 01:00:17 AM PDT

  •  Gitmo force feeding tapes to be released (1+ / 0-)
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    DrTerwilliker

    ... at least for one prisoner who is suing.

    The sketchy details in The Guardian are horrific.  I wonder if the tapes will be released to the general public?  I wonder how vehemently the Obama administration & DoJ will push back to suppress these tapes?

    Actually I wonder if US Moronic Media will even cover this story.  Once again, we have a foreign newspaper publishing info we should be reading in US papers & web sites, and over which the talking heads on TV should be going nuts with outrage, especially if the force feedings happened under the Bushista regime.

    Because the descriptions are sickening, even sketchy as they are, I'll leave it for those who can stand sickening descriptions to click on the link and read the article.

    US forced to acknowledge secret tapes of Guantánamo force-feedings
    • Judge says Abu Wa'el Dhiab's lawyers can view secret footage
    • 'Pretend it's 1955 – that's where the technology is' – lawyer

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Thu May 22, 2014 at 02:50:14 AM PDT

  •  Since climate change seems to be a done deal (0+ / 0-)

    we had better stop panicking and come up with solutions, so moving our cities doesn't sound ludicrous to me. My reasoning is different, but the result is that we are going to have to do it.

    And I think the entire argument is framed incorrectly. The earth will survive climate change just fine. It's humans and some species who won't. And maybe our demise as a species is necessary for the long term health of the earth.

    Republicans: They care about you until you are born.

    by adigal on Thu May 22, 2014 at 03:24:39 AM PDT

  •  Yes its just amazing how adaptable The Markets are (2+ / 0-)
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    METAL TREK, waterstreet2013

    Were so blessed Jesus wrote about them in The 10 Commandments and then handed them to George Washington.

  •  The effect on the US is all I've seen here at DK.. (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    which I understand because we (at least the vast majority of us) live here.

    And while it is a major problem for us here, we do have a lot of land compared to other countries across the world - especially compared to Europe.

    What are the effects of rising seas on the European continent? Spanish, French, Italian, English all have very little space in which to move before they encroach on other countries.

    If they still have nationalist tendencies, the human refugee/relocation there will be a much bigger problem that it would be here.

    Or southeast Asia? Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Bangladesh (oh boy, Bangladesh). That's even worse.

    There is no "path" to choose. The path is what is behind you that led you to today. What lies in front of you is not a fork in the road - a choice of paths to take, but rather an empty field for you to blaze your own direction.

    by cbabob on Thu May 22, 2014 at 06:27:48 AM PDT

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