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Originally posted to Comics on Thu May 22, 2014 at 02:50 PM PDT.

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  •  Great laugh Matt. (4+ / 0-)
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    thomask, Mannie, JeffW, wader

    Wonder what the graph line would be for Flappy Bird apps?

    I'm not serious. Seriously.

    by IB JOHN on Thu May 22, 2014 at 03:04:16 PM PDT

  •  Because smart phone's are "sexy." (4+ / 0-)
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    BenderRodriguez, thomask, Mannie, wader

    Politics ain't.

    Courtesy, please. Unless the reply is idiotic. Then everybody's on their own.

    by franklyn on Thu May 22, 2014 at 03:04:25 PM PDT

  •  We had smartphones in 1992? (10+ / 0-)

    Actually, there's no mystery.

    Back in a time not too long ago, the three networks had an evening news show. It aired once a day. People subscribed to a newspaper, maybe two. There was radio news. And we had gatekeepers who guided us into understanding what was important.

    Now? We are bombarded with information 24 hours a day. It's everywhere. And now we are the gatekeepers.

    And most of us suck at it.

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Thu May 22, 2014 at 03:11:23 PM PDT

    •  But (8+ / 0-)

      Is there any reason to believe people are less informed in 2014 than they were in 1984?  Reagan won 525 electoral votes that year.  

      •  Erosion of IQ reaches a tipping point? (1+ / 0-)
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        The RW trillions of dollars since Nixon "almost got it right", so long ago ... so primitive, his methods, but he almost got away with it, even then. The GOP has been trying to improve on Nixon's treason ever since, each time gaining confidence in their ability to sell "the big lie" and make it bigger and more blatant each time, to the point they believe it themselves.

        rMoney never even wrote notes about a concession speech -- he was guaranteed by Rove and Co. that they had already paid the rent on the White House.

        Slowly but surely, that much money over that much time is going to erode the middle-roaders ... generally the least-involved, the lesser-educated, the lower-income ... in short, the "breeder class" that can be manipulated to have lots of babies and no public education and no living wage, can't vote but they can work for a while and we can tax the billshat out of 'em as long as they live (oh, health care is a good idea if it's OUR idea and we can make you pay what we want you to pay for it, not what it costs ...)

        We the People (who can read and do rudimentary math) are the intelligent equivalent of the Antarctic ice shelf that's keeping the intelligent equivalent of Antarctica's glaciers jammed in its fjords. As we are diluted into the great sea of stupidity, the glaciers find less and less purchase against the slippery slope, less solid bedrock to catch a fingernail on, less purchase to stop the plunge and make significant impact on direction.

        Fact: It's too late to stop the Antarctic thaw.
        Question: Is it too late to stop the lahar of stupid?

        •  Too late to stop stupid? (0+ / 0-)

          I hope I'm very wrong - but yes.  It is too late.

          It was stupid that got the low-information class [LIC] to be certain that global warming is a hoax.  So some marketing 'expert' - expert at tossing phrases to the LIC that they might possibly see as being in the realm of their world view.

          Unfortunately, that's where it died.  Stupid disrupted the conversation and derailed the education process.  

          Stupid then stood guard over the soon-to-be corpse lest some overly-educated, ivory-tower residing, tree-hugging, freedom-hating, card-carrying Greenpeace member, patriot-bashing, 2nd amendment trampling, commie-pinko-fascist-nazi-fag, al Qaeda-defending, Meruca-hating 'lib-tard' try to revive it via science, logic, and associated dirty tricks.

          God knows the next step of the aforementioned 'lib-tards' would be to try to convince all loyal LICers that Antarctica's tipping point has been reached.

          "The French have no word for entrepreneur!" G. W. Bush

          by bbuudd on Wed May 28, 2014 at 04:04:48 PM PDT

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  •  At least the low information voters do vote... (4+ / 0-)
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    ...however pathetic they may be.

    What makes me sick is the 50% of voting age Americans that do not even vote.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Thu May 22, 2014 at 03:12:34 PM PDT

    •  Maybe they're all felons (3+ / 0-)

      and they can't vote in their states. Or they live in Miami-Dade and can't hold their pee that long.
      I wonder how many people lack transportation? Or are housebound and don't know that they can do a mail-in vote.
      I've never lived in a state where you could vote on a day other than election day. It wasn't an option. I think it's incredible that some states do. I wonder if there are statistics showing if the voter percentage was increased?

      •  I'd add that in some districts (0+ / 0-)

        there may be less of a point. If the governor, House Rep, Senator, and prez elections are all going to go one way and the polling shows greater than 20 point gaps on the eve of the election, then you're really asking a lot from people (take time off work, get up early, wait in line, whatever) for even less reward than voting normally provides.

        Yes, some people in those districts are the stubborn sort who'll turn out no matter what. Good for them. Not everyone has that luxury.

    •  Some people choose not to vote because... (0+ / 0-)

      Three of my five children do not vote.  The spouses of those three children also do not vote.  They aren't interested in politics because politics is boring.  It's always the same old stuff:  the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and the politicians get arrested for fraud or ethics violations - and it happens over and over and over again, so what's the point?

      My best friend votes - Republican - because 40 years ago I introduced him to Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead, and he believed it was something other than fiction.  

      My neighbor doesn't vote because he says a pox on both their houses - they're both bought by rich corporations, and every lobbyist has a senator or congressperson in his pocket, and it's the same thing every election cycle, so what's the point?

      My husband and I vote because our vote is really the only voice we have.  

      "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill, 1806 - 1873

      by Terry S on Fri May 23, 2014 at 08:48:30 PM PDT

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      •  Postmodern reality denial (2+ / 0-)
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        "Three of my five children do not vote.  The spouses of those three children also do not vote.  They aren't interested in politics because politics is boring."

        This is reality denial.  Political decisions determine everything about their lives.  

        In the last thirty years, America has gone from a "first world" country to a "second world" country.  We used to be similar to Western Europe, Australia, Canada, and Japan.  Now, in terms of economic opportunity and quality of life measures, we fit in better with the less advancing parts of Eastern Europe and Latin America.  It started impacting only the poor, but now impacts the shrinking and declining middle class.  And we're not moving forward.

        I honestly believe that this weird post-modern ability to deny obvious reality is part of it.  I don't know what is causing this, but all right wingers and a good number of ordinary people can now simply blithely deny reality.

  •  Epistemic Bubbles. They're so in. (nt) (3+ / 0-)
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    (And presumably, unless you are wearing a hoodie and they think you look suspicious, you probably won’t get shot dead by mistake.) -- Heather Digby Parton, in an aside.

    by Rikon Snow on Thu May 22, 2014 at 03:14:27 PM PDT

  •  Actually comm-tech doesn't MAKE people stupid (5+ / 0-)

    ...but it has been known to make their stupidity more accessible (& freeway driving more dangerous).

    Stop the FCC from killing the Internet! E-mail them. Call them. Tell the President & your congressmen to help save Internet freedom!

    by Brown Thrasher on Thu May 22, 2014 at 03:32:38 PM PDT

  •  Doubt there are MORE low info voters... (2+ / 0-)
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    but the internet makes it so we're always aware of them.

  •  Maybe we should just get the phones to vote. nt (0+ / 0-)

    Force is the midwife of every old society pregnant with a new one. Marx

    by Marihilda on Thu May 22, 2014 at 04:02:12 PM PDT

    •  Good grief..NO! (0+ / 0-)

      People should be aware of the candidates and have checked out their policies and some speeches.

      Actually getting out of the house, going to an assigned destination where you must stand in line for some time,  then produce the ID and other relevant papers required, be directed to a booth and vote makes your vote a work of effort and consideration.

      If people just voted online, there is no real consideration involved. Or effort!

      Besides, they'd all want to comment!!

      A fo ben, bid bont. - Welsh proverb. ( translation: If you want to be a leader, be a bridge.)

      by Gwennedd on Fri May 23, 2014 at 05:03:31 PM PDT

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  •  all the accumulated knowledge of human history (2+ / 0-)
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    at one's fingertips, and too many people would rather look at cat videos...we're doomed

    willful ignorance

  •  Sturgeon's Law writ large: (1+ / 0-)
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    My Brain Works

    Too many low-information people don't know that 90% of everything you see is crap! And they therefore believe everything they see that might possibly support their fears or delusions. Ubiquitous computing simply delivers their fix and feeds their delusions without any middleman...

    •  But (0+ / 0-)

      People have always had access to lies that feed their fears and delusions.  And the middlemen have often been a part of it.  

      Remember the Maine?

    •  I think Sturgeon was discussing books in print. (1+ / 0-)
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      On the internet, 99+% of the material is crap.  You actually have to know something about the subject to distinguish sincere creative ignorance from informed comments.  Thus it takes a good deal more intelligence to avoid crap on the internet compared to in the library.  

  •  you forgot a third line for population (nt) (0+ / 0-)

    warning: snark probably above

    by NE2 on Thu May 22, 2014 at 09:14:38 PM PDT

  •  citation needed (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Sorry, Matt. I usually love your cartoon work so (1+ / 0-)
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    much, but not this one. I don't see smart phones as that bad, and I don't see the correlation between low info voters and the phones. In fact, it might be the opposite. Since a smart phone owner can look up voting records, positions and progressive organizations ratings of politicians anytime, I think you've missed the mark here. Sorry.

    •  I'm sure he's in agony (0+ / 0-)

      over your lack of approval.

      •  Nasty much? I've got as much right to my opinion (0+ / 0-)

        and to relay it to him if he reads it here as you do. Care to disagree more civilly, or leave me be, or do you want to drop another useless nasty pigeon herd turd on me?

        Guess what, I don't think smart phones hurt that much, some folks misuse them, and lord knows screen addiction is insane (last night the guy parked next me at the coffeehouse was watching THREE screens built into the driver's seating area-2 dashboard, one from the seat, 3 screens going on at once in his effing Mercedes small SUV, wow what a killing machine), but smart phones do help many enterpreuners and small business owners like myself process customer payments, track down business needs, etc. It's not a horrible thing but how you use it. 3 screens that are embedded in the car design should be illegal unless they are off during driving and on during parking, I saw the guy multitask them while parked and then watched him drive out but didn't see if the screens were off when he drove off, so don't know if his ego trumped driving safety, but I sneered anyway at his status symboling with his big workout produced arms combined with the 3 embedded screens in an expensive I can afford the payments Mercedes small SUV. Care to dialog civilly or just post another nasty blast?

  •  So (1+ / 0-)
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    BenderRodriguez

    According to that graph, low-information voters are overwhelmingly Democrats: we've won the popular vote in 5 of the 6 elections covered by the period, after losing 5 of 6 before that.

    Informed voters, apparently, go for Reagan and Nixon?

  •  One more thing (0+ / 0-)

    Smart phone owners are disproportionately young, non-white, urban, and educated.  This is our base.

  •  The Phones Are Smart (0+ / 0-)

    So that the users don't have to be.
    Similarly, people's recall of facts has decreased radically since the widespread use of the Internet and cell phones, which serve as an external hard drive to the brain.

  •  Nice graph, but... (1+ / 0-)
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    My Brain Works

    Correlation ain't causation. Just a reminder.

  •  I'm old enough to remember (0+ / 0-)

    that there were many, many low-information voters pre-1980.  Like the poor, the low-info voter will always be with us.  I really do think this is looking at the past with rose-colored glasses.

  •  The premise is completely incorrect (1+ / 0-)
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    snwflk

    Things aren't great now, but the peaks of stupidity were circa 1988, a time when Dennis Miller and Victoria Jackson were regarded as hip young comedians, and circa 2004, when Americans re-elected "war time president" George W. Bush, who used the unbelievably clumsy trick of staring a war for nothing and then campaigning that he had to be re-elected because of the war, and succeeded..

    The internet has largely functioned to provide a forum where rebuttal and challenge of right wing propaganda is at least possible.

    Right wingers themselves bitch about this.

    The non-internet media of the US is almost completely for-profit, with extremely high capital barriers to entry.  If you don't believe me, go start a new major television network.  

    There is largely a monopoly right wing consensus in the "mainstream" media.  Right wing moderates are presented as "the left" on networks like CNN, and right wing extremists are presented as "sensible conservatives" whose views are at least as good as those of "the left".  

    Jesters with a comedic/satirical approach are permitted to express actual reality - John Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Rachel Maddow, and formerly Keith Olberman.  I doubt if even these satirists would be permitted if they didn't get ratings by attracting an internet-informed audience.

    The propaganda works - studies have shown that Fox viewers become more progressive if they simply stop watching Fox for a short period of time.

  •  HA HA HA HA HA! (0+ / 0-)

    The Kids Today with their hippity hop rap crap and their twerking and their iPhones aren't as smart as my generation was! They should get off my property! Heck, let's take away their iPhones and their votes and maybe they'll learn the value of walking uphill to work both ways in the snow while never asking for a handout!

    Good joke!

  •  In order to understand that smart phones (0+ / 0-)

    do not correlate to smart people owning them, you only need to observe them walking and driving in traffic while using them and endangering themselves and others.

  •  not just smart phones (0+ / 0-)

    Ask any teenager what there home phone number is and more likely will get the response "home".  They would be lost in an emergency.

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