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Step 1: Cut older (I.e. less healthy) workers in the name of shareholder interests—even though you're doing awesome! Step 2: Back fill with younger workers and temps to conceal the giant hole you just made. Step 3: Profit:

Hewlett-Packard announced Thursday that it plans to cut up to 16,000 more jobs by October. HP CEO Meg Whitman said that the additional job cuts are part of an effort to further reduce costs for the 75-year-old company.
“With each passing quarter, HP is improving its systems, structures and core go-to-market capabilities,” Whitman said in prepared remarks, according to CNET. “We’re gradually shaping HP into a more nimble, lower-cost, more customer- and partner-centric company that can successfully compete across a rapidly changing IT landscape.”
Nothing like a billionaire CEO who makes zillions a year implying thousands of her own morganized employees making comparative peanuts are not "nimble" or "competitive" enough. If you're a senior engineer, a scientist, or even a tenured tech, beware. The next few months may be the last chance of this waning, horrible recession where your talentless head bean counter, who can't take the derivative of ex, has a golden excuse to light your life on fire, so they can add a few more pennies to their billions.
  • If you want to get the pulse of an environment, listen to the bees.
  • The anti-vaxxars have learned to play with numbers, they're just not real honest about it.
  • Not sure what the point of this global selfie is, but The Google moves in mysterious ways.
  • Also not sure why the "freezing jeans" doesn't clean them piece at Vox attracted so much snark. I'm going to guess it's because Ezra Klein is behind Vox, and Ezra is pretty progressive and quite successful, and even a little bit dreamy.
  • SpaceX will reveal its manned capsule next week. Meanwhile, certain bloated defense contractors don't like upstart companies invading their lucrative taxpayer-funded gravy train and kick ass DoD-industrial jobs. Like this clown landed:
    From March 2011 to January of this year, Roger "Scott" Correll was the official at the Pentagon responsible for procuring launch services from private companies. One of his last official acts before his "retirement" in January was to oversee a deal with a company called United Launch Alliance (ULA) for a whopping 36 future launches. ULA is a joint venture of Boeing and Lockheed. This month, Correll popped up with a new job with Aerojet Rocketdyne, which just happens to supply rocket engines to ULA.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:00 AM PDT.

Also republished by SciTech.


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  •  Which is more "nimble"? (8+ / 0-)

    (A) A thousand ants pushing a rock.

    (B) Three ants trying to push the same rock.

    Meg Whitman chooses (B).

  •  I'm pretty sure the moon wouldn't look like that. (7+ / 0-)

    Wouldn't it's gravity pretty much wreak havoc on our geophysics, weather, and oceans?

  •  so did anyone happen to see the meteor shower last (2+ / 0-)
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    I didn't even bother trying, since there's so much light pollution here.

    Anyone else get a good view?

    In the end, reality always wins.

    by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:19:17 AM PDT

  •  those of us who are science-minded, and who (9+ / 0-)

    are alarmed and disturbed by all the anti-science crackpottery that gets posted here at DKos, may want to have a look at the diary currently on the Recent list:

    Yes, that's right--a diary on DKos supporting the idea that flying saucers built the city of Puma Punku--and cites History Channel's "Ancient Aliens" as evidence for that.

    And rather than being HRd into oblivion, it currently has a dozen recs in the Tip Jar.


    In the end, reality always wins.

    by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:23:56 AM PDT

  •  and once again Darksyde calls the name of Cthulhu (2+ / 0-)
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    and once more invites the anti-vaxxers to swarm in and tell us once again how we all work for Pfizer.


    But this week I was shocked to find that here at DKos we actually do have at least two members of the "cellphones cause cancer" loonie bin.  I thought even WE had SOME limit to the crazy. Apparently we don't.


    In the end, reality always wins.

    by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:27:30 AM PDT

    •  I worked on the initial research for Motorola (3+ / 0-)
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      back in the day, whether cellphones cause cancer.  Industry-funded.  Catch-22.  Cellphone radiation certainly caused cancer in animals.  Turns out, though, it takes so long for brain cancer to manifest, it was impossible to say in humans.  The PI on the study said Motorola would be happy with the results, but that he was quite certain that early adopters would be developing brain cancer in the near future.  He was right.

      That was back in the early days of cellphones and they have made them safer since.  But I don't have a cellphone, and I won't allow my children to have one either.  Microwaving your brain like a burrito doesn't seem like a wise thing to do to me.

      •  OK, so that's three, then . . . . . /nt (4+ / 0-)
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        In the end, reality always wins.

        by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:46:03 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  I'm not sure about brain cancer... (3+ / 0-)
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        ...but they appear to cause brain atrophy.

        Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

        by ZedMont on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:51:45 AM PDT

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      •  I've already had my quota of anti-science for the (5+ / 0-)
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        cybersaur, T100R, rduran, whaddaya, Miggles

        week, so I won't bother with this.

        But I do have to ask if you are being rhetorical, or if you really don't understand the difference between radio transmission waves and microwaves . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

        Or the fact that radio transmissions literally fill the air around you 24/7/365 . . . . . . . . . . .  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

        In the end, reality always wins.

        by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:13:28 AM PDT

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        •  Rhetorical, but thank you for mansplaining it (2+ / 0-)
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          Did I mention my company was HIRED BY MOTOROLA TO DO A STUDY ON THEIR PRODUCT.

          We often tangle here at dKos, not in the mood this morning.  I'm not sure which one of us is the troll.

          •  It's not you. nt (0+ / 0-)
            •  ah, I see my fan club has arrived (1+ / 0-)
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              In the end, reality always wins.

              by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 01:22:02 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Maybe you should consider (0+ / 0-)

                why you have a "fan club" in the first place.

                Your behavior is increasingly becoming toxic to the community.

                •  dude, don't drag our fight into this diary too nt (2+ / 0-)
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                  In the end, reality always wins.

                  by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 01:42:45 PM PDT

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                  •  Do me a favor. (0+ / 0-)

                    Quit accusing people of accusing you of shilling when there isn't clear evidence of same, like with ZhenRen. You'll notice I didn't uprate any of the comments which ended up in hiddens which actually accused you of shilling.

                    Quit calling people "cranks", "liars", "crackpots" at every turn, or saying they can't read.

                    Our "fight" isn't about that diary, it's your persistent behavior in these matters. You've been a huge asshole for the last few days here. It's in your hands to stop it.

                    •  (sigh) I tried (0+ / 0-)

                      forwarding this to Elfling. Stalking from diary to diary, and carrying on a fight from one diary to another, is a clear violation of rules.

                      You can take it up with her on Monday.

                      In the end, reality always wins.

                      by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 01:50:37 PM PDT

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                      •  Fuck off, asshole. nt (0+ / 0-)
                        •  and there goes my irony meter . . . . (0+ / 0-)

                          In the end, reality always wins.

                          by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 01:55:11 PM PDT

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                          •  apologies to everyone on behalf of my, uh, friend (0+ / 0-)

                            here.  He is dragging a fight from another diary (that has already going to Elfling) into this diary. He should NOT be. My apologies on his behalf.

                            In the end, reality always wins.

                            by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 02:04:58 PM PDT

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                          •  I'm not dragging any fight here. (0+ / 0-)

                            You picked a new fight with cordgrass, a brand new fight. I tried to very casually reassure them that they were not out of line, given your history on this matter.

                            You had to reply to that, as you ALWAYS do, and I mistakenly took the opportunity to remind you of what it is that you are persistently doing all over the site that is pissing people off.

                            I could use some of the language you've used towards other people here to describe my feelings about how you simply will not or cannot recognize that you are persistently nasty, insulting, and attacking other users. But I've said my piece on that already and nothing more I say is going to help you. I'm not going to engage you further, and if you choose to engage me (for example, by snidely replying that I'm your "fan club"), I'm going to forward that to the admins, too.

                            (inb4 hurhurhur I'm forwarding this to Elfling too)

                          •  To be clear, for the record, you started (0+ / 0-)

                            this entire thread:

                            But this week I was shocked to find that here at DKos we actually do have at least two members of the "cellphones cause cancer" loonie bin.  I thought even WE had SOME limit to the crazy. Apparently we don't.
                            by attacking me and another Kossack, then you attacked the actual scientist who replied to you who'd done research on the matter.

                            I'm not the one picking the fights here.

                    •  In his defense, I am also a huge asshole (1+ / 0-)
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                      This isn't the first time we have played badminton together.

                      He seems to be completely oblivious both to the nuance of science and its corruption, at least in the American research community.  If I don't support my points, he says my assertions are unsupported.  If I support my points he says I am quote-mining.  If I paste in full I violate copyright.

                      Both in life and in science there are shades of grey.  Science shouldn't be used as an excuse to pick fights and call people stupid.

                      •  Nothing you have posted in this diary (0+ / 0-)

                        seems to indicate you're an asshole to me. Then again, I'm unfamiliar with your history — and until the last few days, Lenny's, too.

                        Don't bother defending him. He's been at this for weeks, apparently. He's right about one thing; it's up to the admins to stop it. Meanwhile, you can be aware of this history and not engage him nor feed his trolling.

                        I'd adopt a boilerplate reply statement to use when he engages you, something like "sorry, I've determined it's not worth discussing these issues with you".

                      •  Meanwhile (0+ / 0-)

                        he can hopefully get the HRs he deserves, he's had no shortage of them in the past. And I for one will be reporting upraters of any HRed insults or attacks he posts to the admins.

        •  Oh, why not (2+ / 0-)
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          After evaluating several studies on the possibility of a connection between cellphones and glioma and a noncancerous brain tumor known as acoustic neuroma, members of the International Agency for Research on Cancer — part of the World Health Organization — agreed that there's limited evidence that cellphone radiation is a cancer-causing agent (carcinogenic). As a result, the group classified radiofrequency electromagnetic fields as possibly carcinogenic to people.

          Still, a series of recent studies can't tell the entire story. It often takes many years between the use of a new cancer-causing agent — such as tobacco — and the observation of an increase in cancer rates. At this point, it's possible that too little time has passed to detect an increase in cancer rates directly attributable to cellphone use.

          The bottom line? For now, no one knows if cellphones are capable of causing cancer.

          •  let me add back the parts you edited out (3+ / 0-)
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            Some research suggests a slight increase in the rate of brain tumors since the 1970s, but cellphones weren't in use during the 1970s. Instead, the subtle increases are more likely related to other factors — such as increased access to medical care and improvements in diagnostic imaging.
            In one study that followed more than 420,000 cellphone users over a 20-year period, researchers found no evidence of a link between cellphones and brain tumors.
            Another study found an association between cellphones and cancer of the salivary glands. However, only a small number of study participants had malignant tumors.
            Another recent study suggested a possible increased risk of glioma — a specific type of brain tumor — for the heaviest cellphone users, but no increase in brain tumor risk overall.
            And the VERY NEXT SENTENCE to your quote-mine above:
            Although long-term studies are ongoing, to date there's no convincing evidence that cellphone use increases the risk of cancer.
            If you want me to embarrass you further, I'd be happy to cite the conclusions of the National Cancer Institute, the National Institutes of Health, and the American Cancer Society, all of who conclude there is no evidence that cellphones cause cancer.

            In the end, reality always wins.

            by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:12:33 AM PDT

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            •  I can't believe this discussion is even happening (3+ / 0-)
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              rduran, whaddaya, Miggles

              here, at DKos--and in a SCIENCE diary, for petesakes.

              What are we gonna bring up next, whether evil spirits cause diseases?


              In the end, reality always wins.

              by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:16:13 AM PDT

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            •  you misunderstand the science (1+ / 0-)
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              cville townie

              All those studies are saying that not enough time has passed to conclusively say one way or another.  You are saying IT HASN'T BEEN PROVEN THAT CELLPHONES CAUSE BRAIN CANCER!  And I am saying IT HASN'T BEEN PROVEN THAT CELLPHONES CAUSE BRAIN CANCER! We agree.  We just have different opinions on what that research indicates.  It is too soon to conclusively KNOW whether cellphones cause brain cancer in humans, but they certainly do in animal studies, and I prefer not to be a guinea pig in that situation.

              •  I understand "there's no convincing evidence (2+ / 0-)
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                that cellphone use increases the risk of cancer", just fine, thanks.

                I also understand quote-mining just fine (in fact I am credited with inventing the term), having seen it from creationists and others for 30-odd years now.

                In the end, reality always wins.

                by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:31:05 AM PDT

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                •  and our conversation is over (2+ / 0-)
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                  rduran, whaddaya

                  There's simply nothing to discuss.

                  I leave it to others to engage with you if you insist on carrying on your hopeless cause.  (shrug)

                  In the end, reality always wins.

                  by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:32:40 AM PDT

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                •  I will repeat I was one of the initial researchers (2+ / 0-)
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                  into the effects of cellphone use on brain cancer.  And your credentials are...?

                  •  I don't care if you worked with Jesus Christ (1+ / 0-)
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                    Himself personally to invent the cellphone singlehandedly.

                    There is no credible evidence that cellphones cause cancer.  Period.  End of debate.

                    In the end, reality always wins.

                    by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:34:54 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  How about The Lancet? "Possibly carcinogenic" (2+ / 0-)
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                      whaddaya, cville townie


                      The Lancet Oncology today publishes a summary from a meeting of the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), that classifies radiofrequency electromagnetic fields (RF-EMF) (including those caused by mobile phones) as possibly carcinogenic to humans (division 2B in the IARC classification).

                      Overall, the authors conclude: "In view of the limited evidence in humans and in experimental animals, the Working Group classified RF-EMF as 'possibly carcinogenic to humans' (Group 2B). This evaluation was supported by a large majority of Working Group members."

                      In other words, it's too damn soon to say, but caution is warranted.  Especially with children.
                      •  and yet more quote-mining . . . (1+ / 0-)
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                        Let me once again insert the part you edited out:

                        A Danish study that analysed cancer rates and mobile phone subscription from 1982 to 1995 found no increased risk of glioma or other brain tumours among mobile phone users, nor did a number of earlier and smaller case control studies. This and other evidence led to the findings of the working group not being agreed by all its members.
                        Who do you want to quote-mine from next . . . ?

                        In the end, reality always wins.

                        by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:56:04 AM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

      •  This is total baloney. EM radiation can damage (0+ / 0-)

        living cells either by ionization (tearing up DNA) or heating (cooking, baking).  Cell phone wavelengths are way too long for ionization to occur (off by a factor of a billion or so).  And whatever minuscule heating one might claim is occurring in a living cell is well within the cell's capacity to dissipate via fluid flow.   So to summarize, there is no evidence of cell phone radiation causing cancer.  Reviews covering studies containing such claims were found to be inconclusive, statistically unsound, and/or scientifically shoddy.

    •  I'm wondering if part of the anti-vaxxers' problem (3+ / 0-)
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      is the notion of herd immunity. They simply don't want to be considered just one of a herd.
      As for my family, we love the idea of being part of a healthy herd.
      One problem that the anti-vaxxers have is they don't really understand the underpinnings of cause & effect. I worked at a child advocacy organization (and my statistics helped get the Vaccines for Children Program passed in Congress). One of our main Hill people went to a conference on immunization and heard this story there from a pediatrician.  One day parents came in with their baby. They were worried about the "dangers" of vaccination, so he sat down with them and talked about the dangers of the diseases. They agreed that their baby should get the vaccinations. He had the baby ready to go for the first vaccination when it suddenly started seizing and convulsing. Awful for the parents! But the pediatrician pointed out to the conference attendees that if he had given the child the injection just a few minutes earlier, the convulsions would have occurred after he had given the child the shot and everyone would have blamed the vaccine.
      So a child starts manifesting autism after (months to years after) getting one of their series of immunizations and suddenly that's proof that vaccines cause autism. I've actually seen things like that written -- something like -- Joey was fine and normal. Then he got his measles vaccine and just a few months later....

      While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

      by Tamar on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:16:05 AM PDT

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      •  well, the anti-vaxxers are really a diverse bunch (3+ / 0-)
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        and they have different paradigms that they cram their reality into, depending on what they already want to believe.  For the rightwing version, I think it's the whole "gubmint can't tell me what to do" thingie. And for our leftwing version, I think it's the "evil corporations are plotting everything" CT.

        I think we can see the same dynamic at work in many other areas of anti-science, too.

        In the end, reality always wins.

        by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:22:58 AM PDT

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        •  Somewhere I saw something where an (1+ / 0-)
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          epidemiologist was asked how he predicted where the next outbreak of a vaccine-preventable disease would occur and he joked that he just looked for areas near a Whole Foods store.
          I have a Facebook friend and she's not particularly anti-vaccine, but she's always posting warnings about all kinds of food & health issues. I've checked her sources and totally discount them as soon as I see that not only is Splenda an evil substance that is part of an evil conspiracy, but also autism-due-to-vaccines is alive & well!

          While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

          by Tamar on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:44:30 AM PDT

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          •  Splenda IS an evil substance nt (1+ / 0-)
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            •  part of a conspiracy to poison us evil, or just (0+ / 0-)

              a way of maintaining people's desire for over-sweetness evil?
              (I already read about the debunking of the Splenda & MS theory).

              While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

              by Tamar on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:59:52 AM PDT

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              •  Neither (1+ / 0-)
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                Not a conspiracy to poison us, but the unintentional effects of Splenda


                Reduces good gut bacteria: Sucralose alters the amount and quality of those beneficial microbes that hang out in your belly (the same ones found in yogurt) by 50% or more. “Alteration in bacterial counts is associated with weight gain and obesity,” says Dr. Schiffman.

                Makes meds less effective: The sugar substitute limits the absorption of therapeutic drugs, such as those for cancer and heart disease, rendering them less effective.

                Releases toxins: Many people bake with Splenda to reduce the calories in a recipe, but it decomposes during baking, which releases potentially toxic compounds called chloroproanols.

                May alter your body's responses: Sucralose can alter insulin responses and blood sugar levels, has been associated with inflammatory bowel disease, and may even alter genes, the researchers note.

                •  I'd have to read the original studies before (1+ / 0-)
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                  I accept this.
                  I've seen far too many summaries of research that get it wrong.
                  But I use very little splenda anyway. Very very occasional.

                  While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

                  by Tamar on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:25:03 AM PDT

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          •  the good news is that the crackpots are being (3+ / 0-)
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            forced to be more circumspect. In the same diary where the two cellphone kookers were, there was also an anti-vaxxer who made a big show out of declaring "I'm not an anti-vaxxer", and then went on to spout out all the standard anti-vax crap about "mercury in the formula" blah blah blah.

            So at least now they realize that people think they're nutty, and are at least shamed enough to attempt to hide their nuttiness.

            Pseudoscience feeds on public indifference, if not public acceptance.  Make it publicly shameful to advocate pseudoscience, and it dries up to just the hardcore cranks typing to each other on the Internet.

            In the end, reality always wins.

            by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:00:37 AM PDT

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            •  A father of 2 autistic children called me at my (6+ / 0-)

              job (a child advocacy organization) trying to get us to oppose immunization. His whole argument was based on thimerosal in the vaccines. He totally ignored me when I pointed out that it was no longer in the vaccines. I had a very disabled child so I was sympathetic to his situation, but it really bothered me that he was expending such an extreme level of energy on a pointless battle. All that time and money to fight a fake battle when people with autism could use more funding for treatment and prevention.
              Very sad.

              While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

              by Tamar on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:30:41 AM PDT

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      •  I'll tell you what their problem is (4+ / 0-)
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        Its part of the larger myth so popular on the secular left that if you just treat your body right, eat the right foods, get the right exercise, think the right thoughts and are careful, not only wont you ever die, you'll never grow old. 80 is the new 60! 60 is the new 40! Then eventually the singularity will arrive and you'll get to be an immortal god. Just like in a MARVEL COMIX movie!

        Not one word of which is true.
        People find false comfort in the strangest ideas.

        •  Yep, if you get sick, it's your own damn fault! (5+ / 0-)

          Remember when the health reform debate started and the CEO of Whole Foods said people don't need health insurance, they should just buy his food (a lot of which, BTW, isn't even organic).
          (I do buy at Whole Foods, but only after I get everything I can from Mom's Organic Market -- a local chain. Used to go to Whole Foods 1/week, now I'm down to 1/month and only for a small amount of stuff).

          While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

          by Tamar on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:46:56 AM PDT

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        •  the whole "natural is better!" thingie makes me (5+ / 0-)
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          laugh out loud.  After all, strychnine is totally natural.  So is nuclear radiation.

          Computers, on the other hand, are not.

          In the end, reality always wins.

          by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:02:18 AM PDT

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    •  Heh... every time I see "anti-vaxxers", I think of (4+ / 0-)
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      the heated discussions I sometimes had with SysAdmins who ran minicomputers made by Prime and IBM, rather than DEC.

      “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing
      he was never reasoned into” - Jonathan Swift

      by jjohnjj on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:29:05 AM PDT

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  •  I called HP support the other day--oy (11+ / 0-)

    Wasn't their fault--Windows 8.1 automatic updates disabled the driver for the laptop's wifi hardware.  Still, HP tech support should have been able to fix it, or at least understand where the problem was.  Not the case--they remote controlled the laptop and I watched as they went through several obvious steps, probably following some kind of scripted repair.  When that didn't work, they said my only option was a FACTORY RESET!  I said hell no.  They reassured me they would send me a new laptop if that didn't work.

    I pointed out to them that even if they sent me a brand new laptop, the Windows automatic updates would cause the exact same problem within a few days.

    So that's HP's idea of "nimble".  Hire a call center in India to do tech support but don't teach them any actual "tech".   Instead, pay for the expense of sending out multiple laptops per purchase rather than spending money on actual salaries.  An experienced tech person could have located and fixed the problem in a half hour.  It took me quite a bit longer with google's help, but I successfully fixed the damn thing myself.

    •  Get a Mac! ;3 nt (2+ / 0-)
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      Aunt Pat, Miggles

      "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

      by Stude Dude on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:40:09 AM PDT

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      •  I'm tempted, Windows 8 is from hell nt (4+ / 0-)
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      •  Speaking of Mac, am I the only one who has to (3+ / 0-)
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        tb mare, Stude Dude, whaddaya

        constantly replace power cables because the soft plastic covering on the the wire splits?  I called Apple to see if they have some sort of repair kit that was cheaper than a new charger, and they guy started speaking an alien language, so I gave up on that.

        I did decipher enough of what he said to understand that they will replace a split cable under warranty for a year, and that's good, except that mine always wait one year and 10 seconds before they split, and besides that, where the hell did I put that receipt?

        So, I invented by own repair kit.  I cut a rubber band and wrapped it tightly around the split area until it looked roughly like the knot on a noose.  Then I smeared "Shoe Goo" over the rubber band and smoothed it down with the end of one of those little flossing things.  It's rigid and makes the cable look like an earthworm with that little prominent area they have that is slightly larger in diameter than the balance of the worm, but it stops the split from getting larger.  Just occurred to me that if I could find a little plastic tube slightly larger than the cable and split and glue it, that would probably be easier than trying to keep a rubber band from unwinding before you can get it shoe gooed on.

        While splitting cables is annoying, I'll have to admit that it speaks well of the computer itself, outlasting several chargers.

        Speaking of odd solutions, I have also found that the enzyme-based products for pet accidents have many more uses.  I have a very porous stone tile backsplash behind my stove, and it is very easy for grease to pop up on it.
        I just spray it with that stuff and it eats the grease, leaving no trace.  Sometimes I have to spray again when the enzymes are not that hungry, but it always works.  Cool stuff.

        Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

        by ZedMont on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:17:12 AM PDT

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      •  Why a year ago, after almost 30 years of PCs, (5+ / 0-)

        we bought a Mac. I no longer need statistical software (if I did, it would have been prohibitively expensive to buy the Mac version), so we switched over to an iMac.
        The main reason we did it was I was tired of the problems I had to deal with on the PCs. I'm the tech person in the family and that meant sometimes spending all night trying to figure out some error message that kept coming up on my PC. At least with Macs, there's someone to call. I got an extended warranty. Now I can afford not to keep up on the latest problem going around.
        What convinced me: my very non-tech daughter had a Macbook for college. She ran into some problems, went to the Apple store in Ann Arbor -- they fixed it and she bought an extended warranty. When the Macbook was 5 years old, battered and tired, she was going off to Israel & Palestine for the summer. It was still under the extended warranty. So at no additional cost, they replaced a cracked piece that was around the keyboard, tuned the damn thing up and she went off with a perfectly working Macbook. She kept it for another year, beyond the warranty, and we bought her a new one for social work school (she's graduating in 3 days!!!). She was able to sell the still-working old one for $150.
        I tried extended warranties with my PCs and they never did me any good at all.
        I'm really hoping that Apple keeps its customer service at this high a level. (they also replaced my younger daughter's iPod, no questions, when the off button stopped working).

        While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

        by Tamar on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:25:33 AM PDT

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    •  I had a less than satisfying (3+ / 0-)
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      experience w/ HP tech too, over my printer. It was not grabbing paper. The whole conversation became "Can't fix it, give you a great! deal on a new one." I declined. Opened the thing up, jiggled the little arm that takes up the paper, and it was good to go for another year. I replaced it with a Cannon.

      I put it in the electronic recycling box at the dump. Should have done this first...

      Only thing more infuriating than an ignorant man is one who tries to make others ignorant for his own gain. Crashing Vor

      by emmasnacker on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:43:51 AM PDT

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      •  Got a video does not exist at the above link. (1+ / 0-)
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        Only thing more infuriating than an ignorant man is one who tries to make others ignorant for his own gain. Crashing Vor

        by emmasnacker on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:45:18 AM PDT

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      •  I can understand the soldier's frustration (3+ / 0-)
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        cordgrass, whaddaya, emmasnacker

        I've seriously decided never to buy any more HP products; mainly because of the sheer horror the thought of having to deal with their "customer support" engenders. That, and the hugely annoying array of unwanted apps that installing HP interfaces pollute your desktop with.

         * It isn't that HP's tech-support call centers are outsourced to Outer East Crapistan.

         * Not even that getting hold of them involves extensive waits
         on poor-quality phone line.

         * It isn't even that the personnel at said centers have, as a rule, rather poor English-language skills.

         * Nor even is it that said techs do little but run you through scripted set routines regardless of whatever problem you might have. And have no solution half the time.

        No, the real PITA with HP is that they seem to have made ALL the above steps SOP for their "support"!

      •  Had the same experience (different problem) (2+ / 0-)
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        whaddaya, emmasnacker

        with an HP printer and stupidly agreed to buy their "new" printer, which turned out to be a refurbished one.
        It was okay, but only lasted 2 years.
        We just went out and bought a Cannon also (like it so far, but who knows how long it will last). $99 at Costco -- much cheaper than the "special" deal HP offered me and it actually works better than the HP I bought from HP.
        I also learned not to stock up on ink cartridges -- when you're printer goes kablooey, you can be stuck with $100s in cartridges you can no longer use.
        One extra set for back up, that's it.

        While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

        by Tamar on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:34:55 AM PDT

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    •  I had/have the same prob with my HP laptop. (2+ / 0-)
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      cordgrass, whaddaya

      My brother, the tech genius, took care of the problem via remote only to have a Windows update screw up the laptop again. What kills me is that he DISABLED Windows updates and it still happened anyway. I tried HP's call center. It was a complete waste of time.

      “No one is useless in this world who lightens the burdens of another." --Charles Dickens

      by Amor Y Risa on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:51:20 AM PDT

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      •  Do you need help? I can post a diary if you like (0+ / 0-)

        with specific instructions

      •  Re-enable updates (0+ / 0-)

        Disabling updates is not the answer. That's always a bad idea for a consumer PC. Based on your description, the problem is not even related to Windows updates. More likely, you need to update the drivers for the device in question.

        +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

        by cybersaur on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:33:27 AM PDT

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        •  You would think! But you would be wrong (1+ / 0-)
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          It's really tricky to update the drivers.  The Windows update tries to update the drivers and fails, thereby completely disabling the hardware.  I had to download the drivers from the manufacturer, COMPLETELY uninstall all antivirus programs, to the point of even clearing out the Temp file cache, restart in Safe mode, install drivers.

          Then redownload antivirus software, completely disconnect from all network and wifi, restart in Safe mode and reinstall antivirus software.

          Fucking pain in the ass.  Then reenable the Windows updates.

          Windows 8 can go jump in a lake.

    •  They reassured me they would send me a new laptop (1+ / 0-)
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      If there were a Liberal Media, there wouldn't be a republican party.

      by ComradeAnon on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:19:20 AM PDT

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  •  HP >:( (1+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat

    I'm still sore at the politics of the closing of the Omaha Compaq plant in the early '00s. (The place made the ones with the serial numbers that started with USV.) For three years and three steps of the buyout, management was telling us that if you go without benefits and raises now and work hard to beat production quotas, things will get much better after the merger is finalized. Us poor workers held up our end, but deceitful management closed the plant down anyway.

    In the last few weeks, there was the dark humor in real life cognitive dissonance of all hands meetings to make this into a feel-good thing. All with boxes of store bought cookies with that synthetic frosting and a sow tank full of ice and off-brand soda pop. "Let's bring this ship safely into the harbor!" Smart alecs like me would paraphase "Let's safely bring this ship into the iceberg..."

    "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

    by Stude Dude on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:39:29 AM PDT

  •  And in the meantime... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...folks like me watch our LOU (Length of Unemployment) tick ever upward, so we go to job fairs - and find that two companies showed up.  Nobody wants to actually deal in-person with us unemployed plebes any more, even through an HR drone.

    Everybody loves to fire.  Nobody wants to hire.  What's a STEM guy to do in an economy like this?

    •  I figured out what they are doing for new hires (1+ / 0-)
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      My old resume is still out in the ether before I got my current job.  I did a pretty damn good job last year, if I say so myself, and my boss gave me a BIG Christmas bonus.  I pay my taxes at the last minute, as usual.  Now, a month later, I get all these fricking cold calls!  Like a dozen!  My online resumes are three years old.

      Those fuckers aren't even looking at resumes.  They must be getting illegal income data and cherrypicking the ones who make bank.  Too bad for the unemployed.

      •  Oh, believe me I know. (1+ / 0-)
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        This is why I entirely abandoned "random sending of resumes to company online databases."  All that does is get your information sold.

        I've been actually talking to people, and through networking have gotten to talk to some very high ranking people.  Trouble is, they are sympathetic, but nobody's yet offered me a job.  Talking, too, apparently gets me nowhere, and face it: I'm not a Cuomo or a Bush, whose name or connections alone opens the doors.

  •  Re the frozen Levis (0+ / 0-)

    I was thinking, why couldn't you just microwave a pair of damp jeans and kill bacteria that way?  Quicker than washing and less water.

    But then I remembered zippers and rivets and the time I set the microwave on fire when I forgot about random metal components.

    I wonder if you could turn the jeans inside out and fold them in such a way to cover up all the metal and then microwave them?  Would that work?

    I do this all the time with dish rags and sponges and such, although I must admit I don't have any dishrags with zippers.

    Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

    by ZedMont on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:48:10 AM PDT

  •  Thanks DarkSyde (2+ / 0-)
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    se portland, whaddaya

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:58:54 AM PDT

  •  A lot is at stake. (0+ / 0-)

    cut costs = extra dollars to pocket by the powers. code words may fall on ignorant ears softly, but the truth is in the outcomes.

    customers and non-customers alike:

    Save jobs by telling them you want them to stop this crap, and keep these Americans in their jobs. Tell their Board, take a cut in salary at the top, and stop punishing the United States with your greed.

    "We can have Democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." ~ Louis D. Brandeis

    by 2BOrNot2B on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:01:58 AM PDT

  •  Unexpected Teleconnections in Noctilucent Clouds (2+ / 0-)
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    Unexpected Teleconnections in Noctilucent Clouds (NASA)

    It is a cool story because it was not even what they were looking for.

    Transcript of a bit of the video.

    AIM was launched in 2007 to investigate these "night-shining" clouds, to discover how they form and to learn about their inner chemistry.  As is often the case, however, when exploring the unknown, researchers found something they weren't even looking for: teleconnections.

    "It has been a surprise," says Hampton University professor of atmospheric and planetary science James Russell, Principal Investigator of the AIM mission. "Years ago when we were planning the AIM mission, our attention was focused on a narrow layer of the atmosphere where NLCs form.  Now we are finding out this layer manifests evidence of long-distance connections in the atmosphere far from the NLCs themselves."

    One of these teleconnections links the Arctic stratosphere with the Antarctic mesosphere.
    "Stratospheric winds over the Arctic control circulation in the mesosphere," explains Randall. "When northern stratospheric winds slow down, a ripple effect around the globe causes the southern mesosphere to become warmer and drier, leading to fewer NLCs. When northern winds pick up again, the southern mesosphere becomes colder and wetter, and the NLCs return."

    “We can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities.” - Winston Chuchill

    by se portland on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:10:40 AM PDT

  •  When a CEO issues "prepared remarks"... (1+ / 0-)
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    Major Kong have to remember that they are intended for only one audience: the shareholders.

    "Nimble": Able to shed jobs quickly.
    "Lower-cost": Able to shed jobs permanently.
    "Customer-centric": Able to sell more blade servers to corporate customers
    "Partner-centric": Able to get the best deal on blade servers manufactured in Asia.

    I think Carly Fiorina and (her board of directors) did the real damage at HP, but the sad truth is that adding a billion Chinese peasants to the global workforce changed everything.

    “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing
    he was never reasoned into” - Jonathan Swift

    by jjohnjj on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:09:30 AM PDT

  •  I agree on two points (0+ / 0-)

    Meg Whitman does not impress me as a CEO or whatever the hell she is supposed to be.

    Ezra Klein is Dreamy.

  •  Never leave a frozen burrito (1+ / 0-)
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    on high in the microwave for twenty minutes!.  Smoke everywhere - nuked burrito and a destroyed microwave.

    Learning moment (minutes).

  •  As I did not get photos of Sally Jewell at the ... (0+ / 0-)

    celebration of the new Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks National Monument yesterday, I offer this connection to today's Las Cruces Sun News.

    It is a great day for New Mexico!

  •  It's sad (3+ / 0-)
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    Back in the early days of my career -- in the 70's and 80's I worked for a several companies that developed laboratory instruments. Back then the 600-pound gorilla in that market was HP. Not because of aggressive marketing -- though they were no slouches there -- but simply because their products were so damn good.

    It is a little depressing to see them now, reduced to being just another cookie cutter commoditized PC manufacturer.

    •  I found the development of the computer industry (3+ / 0-)
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      interesting to watch, since it mimicked so closely the process in every other industry . . .

      When it first popped up, there were zillions of little computer and software companies all over the country, and the business press fell all over themsleves to decalre it showed "the success of capitalism", where "anyone can start a successful company in their garage".

      And within less than two decades, the industry was no different than any other monopoly industry like cars or steel or  food production----there were a small number of giant megaconglomerates that owned everything, and the rest were either bought out or driven under.

      It was ineed the stereotypical story of capitalism--but not in the sense that the business press back then thought . . .

      In the end, reality always wins.

      by Lenny Flank on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:52:15 AM PDT

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      •  Investment and consolidation was good for the... (1+ / 0-)
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        cville townie

        ...consumer - up to a point. Those early computers made by start-ups were damned expensive. Apple had to acquire some market share (thereby eliminating some competitors) to be able to price their products more like household appliances.

        Intel and Microsoft also overwhelmed their competition, but that created the standardized PC platform on which many new businesses were built... and the products got cheaper.

        Moore's Law dictated that there would be rapid obsolescence in the early years,  but something weird also happened. I think that access to China made labor costs so unnaturally low that a "race to the bottom" ensued, making the products  less serviceable, less supportable, and effectively disposable.

        I'm still surprised by the number of newish-looking laptops I see piled up on pallets at local e-waste collection days.

        At this point, economic "efficiency" is serving Wall Street very well, but failing American workers, consumers and the environment. It's time to re-think the whole concept.

        “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing
        he was never reasoned into” - Jonathan Swift

        by jjohnjj on Sat May 24, 2014 at 09:41:17 AM PDT

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      •  There is another thing that happens, too. (1+ / 0-)
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        cville townie

        And I think this applies to the HP case: Mediocre managers don't like innovation; it's risky and scary. Instead, they want to sell what the other guy's selling, because that looks like a safe way to make money.

        Once the founders had retired, "leaders" like Fiorina looked at all the business Dell and Packard Bell were doing and said "let's be like them". So they shed the instrument business that had been the core of HP's reputation and went after the PC market.

        The problem is that if everybody is selling the same thing, there is no longer any product differentiation and all you can sell on is price. Which in turn leads to massive pressures to cut costs, and that leads to treating workers as replaceable cogs.

    •  That part of HP was spun off... (1+ / 0-)
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      Stude Dude the late nineties.  What's left is just another crappy consumer electronics company.

      But the former HP test equipment group just can't seem to get any corporate respect.  After getting spun off in the late nineties into Agilent, it's getting spun off by Agilent this year, and will become Keysight Technologies.

      In whatever name, the test equipment group is still respected by those of us who use their equipment.  The company that now bears the name HP....well, not so much.

      If Democrats proclaim the the Earth is round and Republicans insist it is flat, we will shortly see a column in the Washington Post claiming the the earth is really a semi-circle.

      by TexasTom on Sat May 24, 2014 at 12:44:50 PM PDT

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  •  And Meg wanted to be Governor.... (1+ / 0-)
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    Stude Dude

    Pete Wilson with pearls

    In loyalty to their kind, they cannot tolerate our minds. In loyalty to our kind, We cannot tolerate their obstruction.

    by mojave mike on Sat May 24, 2014 at 09:03:11 AM PDT

  •  Meg Whitman. Imagine her as king. Eh? Eh? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    Stude Dude

    The Republican Party is run by the KOCH BROTHERS.

    by unclebucky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:53:27 PM PDT

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