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The problem will take as long to cure as it took to occur and the problem is the wages people are paid for work. When to future is perceived as bleak people strike out to in injustice that they perceive. When you have enough money to live on you do not commit crime.

Anyone want to deny this, I am waiting to discuss.

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  •  OK (5+ / 0-)
    When you have enough money to live on you do not commit crime.
    There are rich people who have killed , stolen , enslaved , etc etc etc .
    "Behind every great fortune lies a great crime."

    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

    by indycam on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:31:21 PM PDT

  •  We transpeople get attacked because of hate... (7+ / 0-)

    ...and the economic status of the hater rarely comes up.

  •  Vast majority of crimes are committed not (4+ / 0-)

    b/c a criminal is desperately poor. There are crimes of passion that have nothing to do with money at all, there is racism, antisemitism and other crap like that and lots of other reasons for crimes. Do you think the guy who murdered a bunch of people in Santa Barbara today did it b/c he didn't have a job? I'm sure there are more ridiculous arguments out there but this one is definitely in contention.

  •  I've noticed also that in countries of vast income (0+ / 0-)

    and wealth inequality there seems to be high incidence of murder. I'm thinking the US and Thailand. Thailand also has one of those astronomical differences.

    Also I'd note that high incidence of murder in the US concentrates in areas of poverty. What the correlation is I don't know but it sure wouldn't hurt anything to reduce or even eliminate poverty here in the US.

    Crimes of violence and firearm murder are extremely rare where I live, indeed where most people live, we are segregated by income amongst other things. I wish there were half the impetuous to eliminate poverty as there is for some other unmentionable things.

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:02:38 PM PDT

    •  "Crimes of violence and firearm murder are (2+ / 0-)

      extremely rare . . . where most people live". Really?

      According to the Census Bureau 80.7% of Americans live in urban areas, you know, where the crimes of violence and firearm murders are.

      War beats down, and sows with salt, the hearts and minds of soldiers." Brecht

      by DaNang65 on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:35:56 PM PDT

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      •  according to that definition I live in an urban (0+ / 0-)

        area. (more than 2,500) as does the entire sprawl of suburbs up and down our front range. https://ask.census.gov/... Most of the millions here live in the burbs, downtown with tall buildings and no single family houses is very small.

        Crime and poverty seem to concentrate in the center of our larger cities, far far away from the cul de sacs of our affluent suburbs.

        If you are interested there is a lot by the CDC and Justice Department.

        Poverty also seems to, at least here, sometimes follow our most pricey real estate. At the very center of the most affluent town around here are also the most marginalized of our society, not sure why, just the way it is.

        “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

        by ban nock on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:37:49 PM PDT

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  •  Tell that to the bankers n/t (3+ / 0-)

    Join the DeRevolution: We are not trying to take the country, we are trying to take the country back. Get the money out of politics with public financed campaigns so 'Of the People, By the People and For the People' rings true again.

    by fToRrEeEsSt on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:00:56 PM PDT

  •  Okay (2+ / 0-)
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    FiredUpInCA, VClib

    I'll deny it.

    There isn't always any connection between crime rates and the health of the economy. All sorts of crimes are committed by people who are not in need of money or could get jobs, for a whole variety of reasons. I can think of a dozen right off the top of my head, but I can't believe you can't also, so I won't bother listing them all:

    1) they can make more money being criminals than working, without the drudgery of holding down a boring job.

    2) it's the family business (e.g., Tony Soprano) or what all their associates are into.

    3) they're psychopaths or otherwise morally impaired.

    4) they see the opportunities and can't resist, having poor foresight and impulse control.

    5) they're addicts and too fucked up to work.

    If you were referring to yesterday's rampage killing, clearly money had nothing to do with it. The kid's family is well-off. That leads us to

    6) they have a screw loose.

    There are many more.

  •  Really? (4+ / 0-)
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    ruscle, jan4insight, Ashaman, nextstep

    Less than 24 hours after a privileged kid with no shortage of money goes on a shooting rampage, you write "When you have enough money to live on you do not commit crime"?

    Along with your thesis, I think your timing needs some work.

    "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

    by JamesGG on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:52:08 PM PDT

  •  There are certainly many kinds of crime (1+ / 0-)
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    Ashaman

    where poverty is a large factor. Dealing drugs on the street corner, or prostitution, for example. Dealing with poverty would end a lot of that.

    Then there are mob crimes: drugs, prostitution, loan sharking, gambling, murder for hire, and so on. These will continue as long as people want what the law says they can't have. Unfortunately, even if our people weren't poor, there are poor women from other countries who can be trapped or sold into prostitution here.

    Then there are crimes of affluence, such as cocaine.

    Then there are the crimes of the rich and powerful, such as political corruption, financial fraud, and so on.

    In addition, there are personal crimes such as rape and family violence. Also hate crimes and mass shootings, which overlap.

    I know that I have not covered everything.

    See Oh, What a Lovely Generalization! by James Thurber.

    Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

    by Mokurai on Sat May 24, 2014 at 10:06:03 PM PDT

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