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The returns are early, but if the exit polls are right, the far right has made dramatic gains in the European Elections. As the BBC notes:

At the moment the exit poll predictions in France are the most striking story on this election results night. Even the prime minister says the Front National is heading for victory - a political earthquake indeed. Is the UK about to follow suit on the political Richter scale?

Elsewhere exit polls suggest the radical left anti-austerity party Syriza has come first in the elections in Greece. While in Italy it looks set to be a close fight between the Democratic Party of the Prime Minister Matteo Renzi (running in his first national campaign) and Beppe Grillo's Five Star Movement.

So plenty of anti-establishment parties are poised to increase their share of the vote, as predicted. It could well make for a more interesting more rumbustious European parliament. Even so there will still be a clear pro-European majority.

The Guardian noted that the governing socialists had only received 12% of the vote. The Guardian said European Politics had been jolted as seldom before.   The far right also won in the Netherlands.

The National Front in France is a notorious anti-immigrant, racist and fascist party.  That it appears to have one the largest share of the French vote is stunning.  Meanwhile the UK IP - also an anti-immigrant and anti Euro  is predicted to do well also.

Why does this matter?  Sometime ago I posted a graph that I thought summed up everything wrong with the economy.  The graph is not a surprise to anyone here: labor's share of income has fallen dramatically since 2000.  The same has happened in Europe, although arguably to a lesser degree. Piketty's book, currently all the rage, breaks out the depressing reality in great detail.

This has lead to a loss of faith in the elite consensus that existed on both sides of the Atlantic.  The specter of bank bailouts for the rich and high unemployment, and the fact that the problems with the banks were treated with urgency while the problem of unemployment is not has badly damaged many of the traditional parties.  Tonight in Europe this has lead to a rise in the right, though the left in Greece has also won.  

The Euro elections are a warning short. a canary in the coal mine that shows the underlying trends in the economy are inevitably going to cause political turmoil if not addressed.

If Europe is any guide, that upheaval is going to come from the right.
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6:09 PM PT: Pretty amazing numbers from the UK.  The UK Independence Party has about 29% of the UK vote.  The Conservatives have about 24% and Labor has about 24%.  London is still out though - they are having troubles counting votes - so Labor's total should go up.  The British press is confident that the UK IP has one.

6:42 PM PT: A great guide to understanding the parties of the right in Europe is here:

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  •  Fascists are the Unelected Eurocrats in Brussels.. (4+ / 0-)

    ..who are attempting to impose a United States of Europe on every resident of the continent of Europe, whether they want it or not.

    The USA and Mexico have far more in common economically, socially and politically than Germany and Greece.

    Yet, no one in the USA is clamoring for the US and Mexico to share a common currency.

    Why anyone thought that the Euro is LT viable is beyond me.

    Unless, of course, the end game is the imposition of a Fascist US of Europe.

    Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project.

    by PatriciaVa on Sun May 25, 2014 at 05:23:02 PM PDT

  •  Interesting Fed graph there. (5+ / 0-)

    The blue line is labor's share of income I presume.

    What are the constants?

    "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Thomas Paine

    by shrike on Sun May 25, 2014 at 05:33:00 PM PDT

  •  Well, it's not like we've ever had any trouble (37+ / 0-)

    with European far-right political movements.

    If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

    by Major Kong on Sun May 25, 2014 at 05:37:58 PM PDT

  •  glad this got some attention here (23+ / 0-)

    my European friends are worried ; they are wondering how short our memory of history is?  :-(

    -7.75, -6.05 No one can make you feel inferior without your consent-Eleanor Roosevelt

    by nicolemm on Sun May 25, 2014 at 05:45:28 PM PDT

  •  thanks for posting this. I'm here in Barcelona (9+ / 0-)

    waiting for the big political discussions tomorrow (which I wont understand sicne I don't speak Catalan.....)

  •  Don't overstate the importance of this (7+ / 0-)

    Remember that the European Parliament has little power. And it isn't getting any any time soon.

    •  The issue (19+ / 0-)

      is that the parties on the right may start to effect the center right parties.  There is already talk of this regarding the UK IP and the Conservatives.  

      I think the best way to think of this as a warning shot - it isn't going to lead to an immediate crisis.  But as the right parties become more powerful they will shift politics to the right.

      •  The non-response to (9+ / 0-)

        the recession, by many the most powerful central banks and politiicans has given birth to this.  It's almost like they deserve it.

        From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

        by satrap on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:21:37 PM PDT

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      •  ukip (15+ / 0-)

        didn't take control of a single council, so this does suggest a major split between domestic and euro voting patterns. warning shot is exactly right.

        labour is blowing a major opportunity, because miliband is such an uninspiring "leader." the lib dems are all but dead, and if they have any hope of resuscitation, clegg should be done within a week. the tories are falling, but labour's ineptitude is preventing it from being worse.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:27:06 PM PDT

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        •  I utterly cannot believe that (4+ / 0-)

          Ireland is not, at this moment, controlled by a fascist party.   It's sooooo awful what the common person was compelled to suffer there.

          From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

          by satrap on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:29:39 PM PDT

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        •  The real story here (22+ / 0-)

          is the social democratic left's failure to capitalize on the crisis.  The Socialists in France are getting killed, and Labor isn't doing nearly as well as you would expect.  Only in Germany - where the unemployment rate is low - is the SDP outperforming.

          The traditional parties of the left have been made accomplices of austerity - and in doing so are digging their own graves.

          True story - I spoke to Miliband in Charlotte in 2012 - at a New Democrats function being hosted by O'Malley.  

          •  hollande has been a disaster (20+ / 0-)

            he got elected in an anti-austerity backlash, then accomodated the business interests who freaked out over a potential socialist agenda. his party gets hammered in local elections, so he goes in the exact wrong direction and picks valls. europe's left needs to be a left.

            The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

            by Laurence Lewis on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:41:23 PM PDT

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            •  All our lefts need to be left. n/t (15+ / 0-)

              "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

              by YucatanMan on Sun May 25, 2014 at 07:13:36 PM PDT

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            •  Even Nelson Mandela's ANC did this, (2+ / 0-)

              as did Solidarity when they took power in Poland, per Shock Doctrine. How does this happen? How do we do otherwise the next time? What makes an FDR?

              Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

              by Simplify on Sun May 25, 2014 at 10:57:36 PM PDT

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              •  it was really mbeki (2+ / 0-)
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                mandela focused on reconciliation, and through sheer moral authority holding the country together and preventing a civil war, while mbeki crafted neoliberal economic policy, including agreeing to hold the new south africa accountable for the apartheid regime's debts. a terrible mistake.

                The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                by Laurence Lewis on Mon May 26, 2014 at 03:50:17 AM PDT

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              •  Solidarity was not left-wing (0+ / 0-)

                Despite being a labor union. It splintered as one party almost immediately after taking power, and nationalists/ultra-Catholics comprised a large part of it. The shock doctrine, painful as it was, was a success.

            •  But Valls is anti-immigrant and law and order! (3+ / 0-)

              He's popular in France! He ranted against gypsies and petty criminals as Minister of the Interior! When Hollande's pro-business and pro-austerity policies dropped him to 18% favorability ratings, Valls proposed more extreme pro-business and pro-austrity policies -- with slicker PR! Yes! He told all the other ministers to campaign hard the last month up until Friday, when he told them to cancel all engagements and go into hiding so it wouldn't look like they themselves lost the vote!

              But seriously, your analysis of France is spot on. But it goes deeper than Hollande. The PS was long, long ago co-opted by business interests. The party needs real socialists to take the reins, or to be supplanted by a genuinely left-wing party. Sadly, that's a tough road, as the French 1% is as practiced as the American 1% at sneaking in and taking over the center left.

              •  More popular than Hollande. (0+ / 0-)

                And I see Valls as a potential presidential candidate instead of Hollande in 2017.

                In any case, the French Socialists seem to be a far-left party IMO, at least when I compare them to Democrats. Similarly Le Pen has adopted lots of far-left views (protectionism, anti-globalization etc.) in addition to her far-right base.

                •  The French Socialist Party (PS) is not far-left. (0+ / 0-)

                  The American Democratic party does not set the baseline.

                  In international terms (say, Europe, South America, etc.), the PS is center or center-right. Hollande has embraced austerity as well as supply-side economics (i.e. gifts to French business).

                  Valls is the furthest right of the PS. He stands for nothing progressive at all.

                  Le Pen's Front National (FN) is far right. From the very beginning, such parties espoused nationalist-socalism economic principles. It is pernicious, but coherent.

                  •  PS is center-right? (0+ / 0-)

                    As in 75% income tax? As in retirement age of 60? They are to the right of communists I guess, but hardly anyone else.

                    •  The 75% tax rate is for millionaires. (0+ / 0-)

                      You seem utterly unfamiliar with French daily life.

                      Pensions have been cut, health spending has been cut, higher education has been gutted, employees' rights have been curtailed, salaries have been frozen (no cost of living adjustments), 50 billion Euros has been granted to businesses with nothing promised in return, the list goes on and on. The PS government shows little to no interest in fighting to represent its own constituency.

                      Today's PS is a center-right party by European terms and has been recognized and punished as such by French voters.

                      Read the French press. It's not a secret.

                      •  What is center-left then? (0+ / 0-)

                        Germany's SPD, which is in a coalition with Merkel? Britain's New Labour, which gave up most of its hard-left views in the 1990s? Obama's Democrats?

                        It would be hard for me to imagine a PS politician serving as part of a center-right party, even in most of Europe. Their recent policy decisions could be based both on the dismal economic situation and Hollande's massive unpopularity.

                        •  Center-left, historically, were LABOR parties. (1+ / 0-)
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                          More most of their existence, European center-left parties worked with labor to advance the interests of regular people.

                          In the mid-70s, former center-left parties started drifting into the camp of the 1% financiers. The move coincided with mass outsourcing of manufacturing. Traditional labor unions fell apart. Without that restraint, wealth and income gushed up into the coffers of the already super-rich.

                          Hollande is unpopular because he implemented austerity. He's unpopular because he ruled from the right or if you wish,  center-right. His own constituency deserted him because of it. It's not up for debate. That's what has happened.

                          •  Why is his prime minister popular then? (0+ / 0-)

                            He came into office, started pursuing socialist policies, and the economy went into an even worse condition. Afterwards, economic reality forced him into his current actions. Just like the 2008 financial crisis forced the free-market George W. Bush to bail out big banks.

                            His current prime minister (the face of the reforms) is much more popular than Hollande himself.

                          •  Wrong. Hollande is seen as a right sell-out. (0+ / 0-)

                            It is not up for debate.

                            All the French opinion polls say that majorities of his consituency feel he is too far to the right.

                            Workers (the core of center-left voters) thus deserted the PS en masse and voted FN in Sunday's EU elections. That's fact.

                            The truth is that the 2008 financial crisis (caused by neo-liberal policies which you are on some bizarre mission to advocate) put all of Europe into various binds. France enthusiastically implemented austerity policy, recommended by neo-liberals such as yourself. This austerity policy included drastic social spending cuts.

                            As everywhere in Europe, recession austerity policy was a total and abject failure. Your response to that failure is more austerity! More cuts! Gut labor standards! No, no, and no.

                            Valls is popular because as Minister of the Interior, he launched racist diatribes against gypsies and immigrants along with peddling a "law and order" Robocop image of being tough on petty crime. He had zero to do with economic policy. He did not design the reforms. He has only been Prime Minister for a month! His main achievement so far is leading the PS to their worst ever electoral showing as the solo point man for the EU Parliamentary elections. Yay Valls!

                            Valls is not progressive. Your enthusiasm for him is misplaced.

                          •  Economic reality forces Hollande's hand. (0+ / 0-)

                            Sometimes, even when someone is clearly blinded by ideology, they have no choice but to accede to reality, which is what the French government has to do. Just like the Polish Communist Party had to adopt large-scale reforms even when it remained in power after the country's first semi-free elections in 1989.

                            As to France, it would have been better if Sarkozy had survived in 2012. He implemented some good policies (raising the retirement age, limiting public-sector strikes) but the financial crisis made it hard for any incumbent to survive. So instead they went for Hollande, who policies turned out disastrous enough that he had to change course, and by then the protectionist nationalistic Marine Le Pen started gaining ground.

                            And no, neo-liberal policies are not to blame for the crisis and its aftermath. What happened in Europe was that the debt level ultimately caused a huge crisis (huge public debt is not a neo-liberal policy), and the euro compounded the problems - countries like Spain or Greece would have normally been free to devaluate their currencies, but not now. And the European elites are so enamored to their beloved federalist state that they won't consider taking countries off the euro.

                            The euro is currently the equivalent of the gold standard in the 1930s, a point which even liberals like Paul Krugman have made. Needless suffering (all the "austerity") is the inevitable consequence of the euro today.

                          •  How is Sarkozy progressive? (0+ / 0-)

                            This is a blog for progressives, not a spot to cheerlead for the candidates that FT and the WSJ have identified as advancing the banner of the international elite.

                            You are arguing for conservatives and conservative policy.

                            Neo-liberal policies caused the crisis and torpedoed the European response. The crisis was not born in Athens or Madrid, but in New York City. The debt level did not cause the crisis. The debt level did not compound the problems. The crisis was caused by Wall Street chicanery alone. The Euro crisis was exacerbated by neo-liberal bankers who inhibited growth (which would have led to easier debt repayment) to force spending cuts on the incorrect and false premise that only cuts would produce growth.

                            So the EU dutifully implemented cuts. Growth tanked.

                            Oops. Neo-liberal austerity policy was proved to be a lie. But you're still here arguing for it somehow!

                            Countries may indeed leave the euro in future but such moves do come with prices down the road. Many of the smaller economies benefited greatly from EU subsidies in better times, and they are understandably reluctant to say bye bye.

            •  75% tax is an accommodation? (0+ / 0-)

              The economy is in a gutter, so helping business interests is needed. His approval ratings are below the worst moments of Bush's presidency, and Marine Le Pen defeating Hollande in 2017 is not out of the question.

              •  Marine Le Pen has 0% chance of being President. (0+ / 0-)

                She may force a run-off with the UMP or PS candidate. Then she'll get dismantled.

                The economy is "in a gutter" due to international neo-liberal policy that led to malfeasance and fraud on a massive scale.

                "Helping business interests" does not necessarily create jobs. The French have been treated to the spectacle of a "socialist" president gutting the social safety net and giving free billions to business with no guaranteed return.

                Hollande's record is not progressive. That's why his own constituency has deserted him.

                •  France has an inflexible labor code (0+ / 0-)

                  and other failed policies, which led to youth unemployment above 20% even before the global economic crisis started.

                  •  No. (0+ / 0-)

                    Gutting labor standards to artificially spur a jump in employment figures is a fool's game. Perhaps Americans enjoy McJobs with no benefits, but that ain't gonna fly in France.

                    Nice try, though.

                    •  Not gutting labor standards. (0+ / 0-)

                      What I am talking about is a labor code which makes it hard to fire people, and by definition leads to fewer people getting jobs in the first place. Also, many individuals are forced to stay in jobs they hate because it's so hard to find another one.

                      The U.S. GDP per capita has grown significantly faster than that of many western European nations with strong disincentives to work.

                      •  Also known as gutting labor standards. (0+ / 0-)

                        You're spouting neo-liberal myths that are all false. Your language comes from the pages of magazines like Forbes and the Wall Street Journal editorial section. It does not speak for labor in Europe or elsewhere. It is not progressive.

                        You compress so much nonsense into such a small space that it's easiest just to list each laugher:

                        1). Making it harder to fire people is good for workers.
                        2). Creating more jobs does not mean creating better jobs.
                        3). Americans have bad jobs with no benefits.
                        4). Americans work multiple bad jobs with low job satisfaction.
                        5). The vast majority of Americans stay in jobs because they have no choices either. Burger King vs. Walmart? Not good.
                        6). When the US GDP grows, the top 1% captures the increase. 95% of income growth goes to the top 1%. Not good.
                        7). USA and European growth rates since 1945, 1970, or 1980 (pick your start date) track together and are quite similar.
                        8). Since about 1980, the USA and UK achieved higher growth by outsourcing manufacturing and cutting labor standards.
                        9). Virtually ALL the profits from that growth went to the 1%.
                        10). Manufacturing jobs with benefits were replaced by crappy service-sector minimum-wage jobs without benefits.
                        11). The middle class in the US and UK evaporated.
                        12). It is outdated and stupid to refer to "GDP growth" as your sole economic indicator. When the 1% captures all the fruits f growth, the result is NOT Quality jobs and living conditions. In fact, both decline precipitously.
                        13). "GDP growth" by itself does not produce better jobs.
                        14). "GDP growth" by itself does not produce better environmental living conditions for regular people worldwide.
                        15). France offers universal health care, quality public transportation, and a wealth of publicly funded cultural offerings to its citizens. The USA offers nothing, nothing, and nothing.

                        •  I don't need "job security" (0+ / 0-)

                          Labor flexibility comes first. If you make it hard to fire people, no one will give jobs to people in the first place. It's as simple as that.

                          •  No, gutting labor standards comes never. (0+ / 0-)

                            You're advocating policies that do no good for anyone outside the 1%.

                            Making it hard to fire people does not result in no jobs.

                            It's as simple as that.

                          •  Explain me this (0+ / 0-)

                            In the U.S., when the unemployment rate is 8%, everyone screams about how high it is, and how the incumbent president is doomed for reelection.

                            In places like Spain, 8% was actually a low for unemployment before the crisis, and right after that the rate increased to 25%. The euro is to blame here, but clearly there was something wrong well before the sovereign debt crisis hit after 2008:

                            Here you have the Center for American Progress (hardly a neoliberal hard-right group) praising Italy's new center-left prime minister for reforming the country's labor code:

                            I support freedom, where everyone is free to leave a bad job and can expect to easily find a new one. I am against serfdom where workers are forced to remain at unsatisfying jobs for years because they know no one will hire them.

                          •  US workers accept crappier jobs. (0+ / 0-)

                            Euro workers do not. Euro workers, by the way, are as productive or more productive than American workers by all statistical measures.

                            Progressive labor policy is to create jobs that are BOTH decent and plentiful, not JUST plentiful (and crappy).

                            So the US maintains low unemployment numbers by multiplying crummy, low-wage jobs without benefits. Yay?

                            You switched countries to Spain because France doesn't fit your neo-liberal false assumptions. In France, among other EU countries, the neo-liberal caused crisis did not result in sky-rocketing unemployment. The contrast in unemployment rate between France (blue) and Spain (red) is striking:

                            So why then is structural unemployment higher in Spain? Why, it's because Spain for decades implemented neo-liberal labor policies. They gutted labor standards under the Franco dictatorship. Thus, in the crisis, it was easier for companies to fire massive numbers of employees. Since Spain, unlike the USA, was small, capital-poor and cash-strapped, there is no investment to replace the unprotected jobs once they are lost.

                            Neo-liberal dogma helps the rich in the rich countries. It systematically and ruthlessly punishes everyone else.

                            As for Renzi in Italy, he himself repeatedly announced he wishes to implement neo-liberal Tony Blair-style policy. If some Americans persist in refusing to internalize his stated orientation, that miscomprehension is their own fault.

                          •  France doesn't have such a good situation either (0+ / 0-)

                            10.20 percent unemployment currently. Not as bad as Spain, but still pretty mediocre (like the worst of the worst in the U.S. around 2009).

                            Spain is a mixed case - under Franco, labor contracts were very rigid in exchange for lower wages. This persisted for decades, which is why temporary contracts were used to avoid the hassle of permanent ones. What really screwed Spain the most was the eurozone, which led to a huge boom in the construction industry, and consequently a huge bust (France didn't have a concentration in one industry that much). And now, Spain can't devalue its currency. Which is why it is extremely hard for it to come down from the 25% unemployment rate, especially under its still-strict labor regulations.

                            The U.S. has the most flexible labor code, and also one of the lowest unemployment rates in the Western world. Seems like a pretty strong correlation to me. Once we have low unemployment everywhere, we can wonder how decent the jobs are (and they're not that bad currently as the MSM portrays them).

                          •  Middle class far better off in France than USA. (0+ / 0-)

                            They have guaranteed health care. They have high-quality public transportation. They have more equitable income and wealth distribution. They have government-funded high-quality cultural offerings. They have higher quality food, drink, parks --and more leisure time to enjoy all this.

                            Ruin middle-class happiness to lower unemployment 2%? No.

                            What screwed Spain was gutting its own labor protections.  The  Franco years and their aftermath left Spanish working people weak and vulnerable. As the linked article indicated, Spain's problems are the legacy of pro-1% anti-labor authoritarianism. Spain's misery is compounded by being comparatively small and poor -- and there simply is no neo-liberal hocus-pocus that will change that reality overnight. And again, gutting labor protections further is not the answer. Economists have a name for that moronic policy -- it's called a "race to the bottom". Those who care about the plight of working people in Europe are fighting like hell to avoid that. Europeans don't just want jobs, they want GOOD jobs, with all the concomitant benefits and protections.

                            If you are not on the side of Euro working people, then whose side are you on? You leave little doubt when you endlessly repeat the WSJ mantra that the USA is just so super-great due to its "flexible labor code"(Ha! FoxNews talking point alert).

                            Let me interpret "flexible labor code": USA has the most unequal distribution of wealth and income in the Western world. The USA has the lowest level of labor protection, health care, and social spending per capita in the Western world. But there are a lot of McDonalds jobs available to keep unemployment low. The correlation is obvious. This is not MSM spin, but statistical reality.

                            You are going to lose. You are not going to get to spread crappy Walmart jobs and remake Europe in the image of America. You and your ilk will shipwreck the HMS Neo-Liberal Titanic against the iceberg of strong and proud Euro labor activism again and again and again. Make sure to bring enough lifeboats!

          •  economic security is boring, baubles are fun. (12+ / 0-)


            Humans crave emotions, the more the better, the more dramatic the better.


            Socialism offers economic security.  That's boring.  You wake up every day knowing your job is secure for the rest of your life, nobody can ever take your home out from under you, there'll always be staple foods in the store and in your kitchen, you can go to the doctor whenever you need to, and take a couple of long vacations a year to the seaside or a cabin in the woods.  Boooooring.

            Unregulated capitalism offers baubles, bubbles, booms, busts, and Big.  That's exciting.  You get the drama of a pink slip and the excitement of searching for a new job.  You get your house flipped out from under you: almost like a ride at the amusement park!  There are gourmet foods on offer, if you can afford them: something to drool over if you can't.  Going to the doctor?  That just got a bit more boring but we can live with it.  For vacations there are expensive cruises and the added thrill of wondering if you'll come down with norovirus.

            And the baubles!, oh what baubles we have!  iPhones and Androids, Google Glass so you can become a walking surveillance drone, robotomobiles ("self-driving cars") with "personalized" advertising on screens that replace windows.  And for the uber-elite, eternal life via the prospect of "uploading" your soul to the Borg.

            So:  How can the left win, when we can't match all that drama and excitement?  Or perhaps, just perhaps, the thought of making real revolution at the ballot box could be enough to stir up the passions?  

            We got the future back. Uh-oh.

            by G2geek on Sun May 25, 2014 at 08:10:48 PM PDT

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          •  Well, that's what happens when you give thieves (4+ / 0-)

            A run of the store.

            People come back with torches and pitchforks to register complaints even if they end up burning down their own homes in the process.

            No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

            by koNko on Sun May 25, 2014 at 10:51:50 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, the left's and center's embrace of austerity (2+ / 0-)
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            A guess: European governments sided with the oligarchs and continued to concentrate wealth and power, wealth and power that was taken from the great mass of the people.

            Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

            by Simplify on Sun May 25, 2014 at 10:56:22 PM PDT

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            •  Yes. But at least the crisis causers were jailed. (0+ / 0-)

              Oh, never mind. Party on, Wall Street! We'll just continue screwing Greek and Portuguese grandmothers out of their pensions to foot the bill for the financiers' sub-prime crisis.

              Seems fair and just. Globalization, baby!

          •  adsf (4+ / 0-)
            The traditional parties of the left have been made accomplices of austerity - and in doing so are digging their own graves.
            Exactly. In Spain the traditional parties saw their share of the votes diminish dramatically. On the other hand the smaller parties saw big gains. The bottom line is people are increasingly fed up with the establishment parties and it is quite understandable. The message to the PSOE (the traditional socialist party) is that if they're going to behave like a PP lite (PP is the right party), then people are going to look elsewhere. Unfortunately in other parts of Europe that "elsewhere" are relatively new far right parties or parties that were small fringe parties not that long ago.

            "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -John F. Kennedy

            by basquebob on Sun May 25, 2014 at 11:01:46 PM PDT

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          •  SPD (1+ / 0-)
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            the Social Democrats in Germany made their first gains in a European Election ever according to what I heard in TV yesterday.

            Their share of the vote shrunk in every European Election since 1979 since then.

            A lot of it might be because the SPD was making a campaigning emphasizing the european Platform and Martin Schulz , current president of the EP .

            "How many years since you found yourself staring at an endless sky? " VNV Nation - Endless Skies

            by Kavalor on Mon May 26, 2014 at 01:18:36 AM PDT

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        •  magic of single-member districts. (0+ / 0-)

          Which make it much harder for UKIP to win any seats in the national parliament. At the same time, it's not impossible for the party to have an impact. Already Cameron has ramped up his rhetoric against the EU, and an exit is a realistic possibility. If UKIP can win high support in certain areas next year, it could hold the balance in a hung parliament.

    •  Little power? (1+ / 0-)
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      The European Parliament's powers have been increased by the Lisbon treaty, which stipulates that the Parliament has co-decision powers over almost every law (the Council needs to sign off afterwards). ACTA was killed by the European Parliament. With the current band of far-righters coming in (many who are protectionist) TPIP, the transatlantic trade deal, might have difficulties passing. Elections have consequences, even those which are not treated seriously by voters.

  •  Remember that a far right party (34+ / 0-)

    holds a majority of the lower house of the legislature -- in the United States!

    Fortunately the center right party still holds the strong executive.

    •  Sneaky editorial you squeezed in there. (6+ / 0-)

      I don't mind being called a "centrist" myself.  The two extremes are scary for sure.

      "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Thomas Paine

      by shrike on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:05:22 PM PDT

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    •  but look at the extreme damage they're (1+ / 0-)
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    •  A far right party here (8+ / 0-)

      to the right of many of the right wing parties in Europe.

      •  That really depends. (0+ / 0-)

        Far-right parties in Europe are often strongly anti-immigration (like the GOP), anti-globalization, anti-trade (a sentiment that also exists in the Tea Party), against welfare use, at least when it comes to immigrants. Lots of overlap although differences remain of course.

    •  I'm in Germany at the moment. (4+ / 0-)

      A week ago I went to the weekly market where all the parties had tables.  

      My observation was that in the US we have a choice between the right wing of the CDU and the radical right.  

      It was interesting to talk to these politicians.  Everyone has a politics in the middle.

      The guy who represented the Alternative fur Deutschland (the anti-European party that received 7% of the vote yesterday) sounded just like a Republican here with his talk of having decisions made in each country.

      Right now I'm listening to a German morning program (somewhat like Fox and Friends without the obvious stupidity except for the woman who comes on and talks about certain "Promis" (people who are famous) .  It just noted that European haters (or European skeptics) have seen a huge increase in votes.  Special attention was paid to the results in France.

      The rise of this right will pull the center right parties (CDU-CSU in Germany, Conservatives in the UK, and whatever it is in France) to the right.

      If I understood an article in German Huffington Post, several people said the major parties did not defend Europe enough,

      Finally, the German commentator said he was absolutely astounded by the FN getting 25%.  A party he said was opening anti-semitic and racist.    

      [Medicare, and Medicaid, and Social Security] do not make us a nation of takers; they free us to take the risks that make this country great.

      by MoDem on Sun May 25, 2014 at 11:45:13 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not surprised, if turnout is low the FN histor (3+ / 0-)
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        -ically has bigger returns. Their people turnout no matter what. Keep in mind this is also a rw party that is pro labor and tries to siphon off labor votes. Also, the FN benefits from disenchantment with the center right party on immigration and also economic issues, gets some of the center right voters. I don't think they get much center left votes, but they benefit from those voters being frustrated with Hollande and staying home. I have read about the previous election but not this one yet, so I think my analysis is on the right track but haven't checked it yet by reading french media sources or the Gaurdian on the electoral breakdown. But historically, this has been the pattern when the FN wins big. They won big a while back when voters were very frustrated with both major parties, so this pattern isn't new.

        •  2009: FN 6%. 2014: FN 25%. Turnout same in both. (1+ / 0-)
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          You can't use abstention to minimize the French result.

          The center-right French party did fine. The FN siphoned votes from the center-left (PS) and left (Greens, FG). Large pluralities  of workers and employees (43%, 38%) voted FN. That's bad.

          The FN did get center-left votes, and the longer the PS continues as a 1% party, the more they risk alienating their own base and becoming a minority party of bourgeois notables.

      •  Comparing it to the U.S... (0+ / 0-)

        the left wing of the Democratic party would be in the SPD. The right of the Democrats would be in the left of CDU. Republicans would be on the hard-right.

    •  Obama is center left (1+ / 0-)
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      And Elizabeth Warren, Tammy baldwin etc are hard left.

      Republicans though are hard right, both the establishment (Boehner, Cantor) and the teabaggers.

  •  Mixed result (19+ / 0-)

    In the UK and the results so far, the British National Party have lost their only MEP. On the other hand Golden Dawn in Greece had a strong showing and it even looks like there will be a Neo-Nazi from Germany.

    There are some very complex situations emerging. In countries where there has been good economic growth like the governing parties have maintained or improved their share of the vote since 2010. Where there have been very real problems like Greece and Italy, the mood has been both anti-government and anti-establishment.

    The far right UK Independence Party (UKIP) have done very well, leading the vote so far. An interesting analysis by the BBC backroom boys concludes that where there is more than a 75% white population, their votes have gone up by about 14%. Where the white population is less than 75%, their vote has gone up by 10%. The London result is yet to be declared but early indications from the web sites of boroughs that have posted them (naughty!!!), the indications are that UKIP has not made such a high increase but the three boroughs that have posted them show a similar pattern. Lewisham, Greenwich and Bexley in descending order of percentage of ethnic minority populations. In terms of the popularity of UKIP, those are in ascending order.

    It should be noted that the Conservatives in the EP are far to the right and much more Eurohostile than the party in Westminster. They share many of the views about the EU with UKIP and their leader in the EP has just again promoted the idea of a "coupon election" where a Conservative or UKIP candidate would stand down in favor of the other party.

    As background, the electorates in most EU countries feel free to use European and, in some cases, local elections to express generalized discontent with the economy or politics. In the UK you can see this in what appears to be the move of "protest votes" from the Liberal Democrats to UKIP although I should sound a note of caution. The turnout is about a third compared to around 50-60% at general elections so this is not quite the same person changing their vote. A lot will be people spurred or disinclined to turn out.

    In terms of the UK general election next year, these results will not be reflected in the outcome directly.
    These seats were allocated by a system of proportional representation based on party lists. The general election will be on single member first past the post voting. Both UKIP and the Liberal Democrats have a fairly uniform vote across constituencies but with "clumps". UKIP currently have no MPs and, after the local elections held on the same day as this, large numbers of local councillors. That will make psephological  analyses of their "target seats" more difficult (and frankly the party is a one man band round their leader who will  probably choose the most likely winnable seat). They demand 10% of their MEPs salaries to run the party so will be fairly wealthy in terms of being able to run newspaper and poster campaigns (no paid TV ads). The likelihood is that they will have a larger share of the popular vote than the Liberal Democrats but only 1 MP compared to something like 20 (IF the local election results were reflected exactly in the general election)

    Even more interesting has been the performance of the official Opposition Labour party. Although on the face of it they have gained seats, they are only running neck and neck with the Conservatives. At this time in a Parliament they should be significantly ahead of them. The local elections showed a similar pattern. This suggests there will be no party with an overall majority next May and the UK will start to revert to the European pattern of coalition governments but without their voting system. (People forget that the pendulum changes between the top two only applied to the 65 years before 2010. Before then the typical pattern after the creation of the Labour party was coalition or National governments)

    One interesting aspect for the Hemicycle (the EP chamber) is that the far right is so fragmented. The UK Conservatives broke away from the conservative European Peoples Party grouping to form one based round them with just about enough members from other countries to form a group (you need at least 25 from 7 countries). UKIP had an equally rag tag grouping of Eurosceptical parties and now there will be perhaps 90 others on the very extreme right including Marine LePen's Front National.

    It looks like the EPP will be the largest group with the Socials second and the European Liberals and Democrats third. These together with the Greens will form an "involved" block of groupings and may well get together to stop the antics of disruptions we have seen from Farage and others. It will very likely be "business as usual" as their other characteristic is their abysmal attendance record and disengagement from the parliamentary committees.


    "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

    by Lib Dem FoP on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:03:36 PM PDT

    •  What I am reading is that London is still out (3+ / 0-)

      and that should help Labor.

      The Lib Dems have collapsed from what I have read.

      •  thank god they collapsed (12+ / 0-)

        You don't hear the words Quisling and Petain in relation to the Lib Dems for no reason!

        The results tonight disturb me as a Briton in many ways. The EU needs reforming, There cannot be an argument against that but all of us going alone would be disastrous.

        UKIP won't reach into Westminster, this is the one occasion I thank god we still have FPTP. That and their candidates are slightly disturbed mentally and way out of sync with mainstream Britain. Anyone who votes for UKIP will be so afraid of a Labour government next year that they will vote Conservative.

        A UKIP MEP from Scotland though? that is mad  


        by mb6578 on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:17:52 PM PDT

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        •  As a first generation american (6+ / 0-)

          with a grandfather from Paisley - I was shocked.  Hell, the conservatives have trouble in Scotland.  

          I will never understand why the Lib Dems made their deal with Conservatives and appear to have gotten so little.  

          •  For a referendum on AV they couldn't win (3+ / 0-)

            I voted for it and yet it was such a lost cause, most people in the U.K are fairly ignorant about Current Affairs let alone the benefits of a different way of voting. They betrayed us on Tuition fees and have helped the Tories dismantle Royal Mail, defund large parts of the BBC and start the process of ending the NHS.

            I wouldn't count the Tories out in Scotland yet, they seem to be slowly regaining control of Southern Scotland and whilst the SNP vote went down their vote stabilized.


            by mb6578 on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:29:15 PM PDT

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          •  Do you want me to list LD policy successes? (7+ / 0-)

            I have already told you about the income tax reductions. Old age pensions have been reformed and will mean a significant increase for many retiring from 2016, this September all school children upto age 7 will get free lunches at school, schools get a "pupil premium" to give extra assistance to children from poor families worth (from this September) £1200 for primary children, £935 for secondary pupils and £1900 for "looked after" children - the term refers to children for who the local authority is in loco parentis (crudely). I could go on but the London result looks like it is about to be announced.

            "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

            by Lib Dem FoP on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:51:49 PM PDT

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            •  Fair point (1+ / 0-)
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              There is detail that I do not know in the negotiations between the LD and the Tories.

              Was there anything more on election reform, which IIRC was a key demand for the LD in their negotiations?

            •  I was a Lib Dem voter... (2+ / 0-)
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              I was a Lib Dem student Activist however you lost me forever when you backed the Tuition fee rise and you voted for the NHS reforms and Nick Clegg has not shown any kind of remorse for screwing one of his largest constituencies - the young. I was a Charles Kennedy/Ming Campbell Lib Dem and I will never vote for the party again


              by mb6578 on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:57:03 PM PDT

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              •  Actually (2+ / 0-)
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                Poorer graduating students pay less now under the "Student Contribution" system with £9000 pa fees than they did under the Student Loan scheme when fees were £3000. They salary at which you start to repay was raised.  

                As for Nick Clegg not showing remorse, he came out and apologised for having to raise the fees. You seem to forget the musical mashup video and song that was made from the announcement.

                Such things are inevitable in coalitions and there was no other option mathematically and politically after Gordon Brown went into a sulk.

                "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

                by Lib Dem FoP on Sun May 25, 2014 at 07:37:45 PM PDT

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                •  He didnt apologise for doing it (1+ / 0-)
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                  He apologised for making the promise - the key policy during the 2010 election I might add not for actually betraying a large part of his base. That is not an apology!

                  And the idea that people will be better off paying larger fees is ridiculous. You tried buying a house on the minimum you need to pay it back? the money for fees comes right out of money that could put young people on the property ladder or saving for their future. paying back that kind of money when practically any office based job requires some sort of degree nowadays is unfair and putting the strain of austerity on the young.

                  Like I have said previously I know many, many people living in swing Lib/Con constituencies prepared to vote for Labour or the Greens just to give the Lib Dems a smack in the face during the next election. If Clegg had any sense he would resign the leadership tomorrow so the Lib Dems could prepare for the next election without the burden of probably the least liked politician in Britain.


                  by mb6578 on Sun May 25, 2014 at 08:07:41 PM PDT

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                  •  least liked politician?????? (0+ / 0-)

                    There are so many real candidates for that position, it would take a week to examine them all!

                    We get it, you feel betrayed by the LibDems, and you are not alone. Others will say that they - in the past - were betrayed by (New) Labour, etc etc.  That is politics for you.

                    Grow up before you vote next time, would you?

                    •  Grow up really? (0+ / 0-)

                      So because I like many thousands feel ebtrayed by the Lib Dems I am being immature?


                      by mb6578 on Mon May 26, 2014 at 06:41:51 AM PDT

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                      •  well your judgement about Clegg's status (0+ / 0-)

                        is waaaay off  -that is for sure!!

                        Politics means some good and bad in every party; you are unhappy about student issues, but what about the good done on tax allowances?  Or don't you give the LibDems credit for that?  Single issue politics like this is insane.

                        To feel betrayed by one party is not uncommon;  your reaction to it could be better..... and display greater understanding of reality and  yes, IMHO, maturity.  

                        •  Bedroom tax, selling off the NHS... (0+ / 0-)

                          Royal Mail Privatisation, lowering income tax for the Rich, what exactly did the Liberals do exactly? You mention tax allowances which the Conservatives were going to do anyway?

                          Im not stupid enough to think that by going into coalition with the Tories was going to result in the LD manifesto being delivered in full but they have sided with so many issues that their supporters find repugnant that it is staggering there is any support left. Case in Point - The West of England and the Highlands, two of the Lib Dems biggest support bases abandoned them last night. I am pretty sure the same thing will happen again next year unless Clegg does the honourable thing and falls on his sword.


                          by mb6578 on Mon May 26, 2014 at 09:54:04 AM PDT

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          •  Lib Dems become a footnote in history books... (2+ / 0-)
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            Cameron is Clegg's pimp.
            Clegg has destroyed the LD party.

          •  "Bipartisanship", UK style... (2+ / 0-)

            It was their version of "bipartisanship", like the Dems do here.  Capitulate to the GOP and get nothing in return, then wonder why you lose an election.  

            Lib Dems capitulate to the Tories, get nothing in return, lose an election.  

        •  krugman nailed, years ago (11+ / 0-)

          you can't have a common currency without common financial and government institutions. but scrapping the euro now would be even more of a mess.

          as for ukip, the guardian has been noting that they do best with the least educated.

          The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

          by Laurence Lewis on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:34:09 PM PDT

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      •  Yes (5+ / 0-)

        It's quite likely we will be fifth after the Greens whose vote has gone down by 1% as opposed to the LibDem share that has gone from about 14% to 7%. The sad thing is that many excellent hard working MEPs (from Labour too) have lost their seats.

        As I said, you cannot directly project next year's outcome from these election results partly because the low turnout and partly because lowest level you can analyse is a complete local authority area. London boroughs for example have several Westminster constituencies but return votes for the entire Borough in these and the London Mayor elections.

        There were local elections in England - with complete councils being elected in London as opposed to the fractions being voted on outside. Those can be analysed down to ward level and compared to the previous round four years ago. Most constituencies are "safe" so, as in the USA House elections, the interest is only focused on seats where a small "swing" from one party to another would change the MP. That's how the BBC were able to predict a hung parliament next year.

        Also bear in mind that the UK now has the fastest growing economy of the G7 but only just getting back to GDP levels before the recession. Wage rises are starting to match inflation although that is very misleading in terms of spending power for the poorest workers. One of the Liberal Democrat policies forced on the Tories in the coalition was to very significantly raise the starting point for income tax (and keep the break point for the higher rates the same). That will have put and extra £800 a year in their pay packet and meant about 2 million of the lowest paid, part time workers out of paying tax altogether. Consumer confidence is up, unemployment down and the outlook is good. This has not translated into votes for either party in the Government yet but there may well be an increasing "feel good" factor to take into account come May 2015.

        "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

        by Lib Dem FoP on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:42:20 PM PDT

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        •  Coalition drift. (0+ / 0-)

          Junior parties in a coalition often lose support regardless of how well the main party does. This is what happened to the smaller party in Merkel's second government. And given the FPTP system used in the UK, Lib Dems could be wiped out after 2015, and Cameron (if reelected) would have an easier path to pursue anti-immigrant policies.

  •  far left won in greece (20+ / 0-)

    but this was a referendum on austerity. economies are devastated because of austerity, and right on schedule, xenophobia is on the rise.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:19:25 PM PDT

  •  French 'baguettes (sachets de thé) (4+ / 0-)
    "A major party is one that is able to transform its manifesto into political decisions, whereas the position in which the FN will find itself in the European parliament is of a marginalised opposition, in the same way the two FN MPs in the French parliament are very isolated."

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:35:05 PM PDT

  •  The Front National?? Holy fuck! (5+ / 0-)

    "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:37:50 PM PDT

  •  one thing I've noticed is how (4+ / 0-)

    closely connected UKIP is to ALEC. Lost of cross pollination going on there.

    •  really?! is there direct evidence or.... (6+ / 0-)

      .... only platforms that coincide?  

      ALEC meddling in the UK would be, or at least should be, a major news story.  And in the UK it should be a vote-changer: "get the bloody Yanks out of our elections!"

      We got the future back. Uh-oh.

      by G2geek on Sun May 25, 2014 at 08:19:34 PM PDT

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      •  Well Atlantic Bridge was "dissolved" (6+ / 0-)

        a couple of years ago . . . they say. Roger Helmer's bio brags he  was appointed “Adam Smith Scholar” by ALEC, the American Legislative Exchange Council. Here is another reference in a Facebook post on a UKIP page about
        how fun ALEC meetings are and ow groovy their system & policies are while complaining about a blogger. Mentioned in this post is Dan Hannan who has appeared here in Utah at Conservative Events through one of our local SPN astroturf orgs. ALEC has been playing in Europe for years

        •  what's needed are... (1+ / 0-)
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          24/7 protests at any location connected with ALEC: a small handful of people standing outside with signs that include URLs for anti-ALEC information.

          Do it everywhere ALEC operates.  They thrive in the shadows, so make them highly visible.

          We got the future back. Uh-oh.

          by G2geek on Mon May 26, 2014 at 09:34:40 PM PDT

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      •   ALEC and any Euro center right party may be (2+ / 0-)
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        sharing platforms, policy positions, advisers, and operatives. That is how both the center right and center left operate today internationally, all the major parties join the left or right international congress and share resources with those on the same side internationally. You can google about this. I don't know about ALEC's influence internationally or whether it has zero or big influence, I would guess little right now but it may become more influential sadly. However, the center parties in Europe and Australia vary greatly on the spectrum of con or lib, some of them are more liberal than our Dems while others are as con as our Repubs. I think the potential influence of an ALEC will depend on the country and its center right party and how far right it is, and whether ALEC ideas can fit or not. For example, given the history of the major right party in Australia being close to the right, being rw longer than our repubs even, I wouldn't be surprised to see ALEC ideas there, though it would have to have local modifications or it wouldn't make sense.

  •  A lot of English voters deliberately voted UKIP (8+ / 0-)

    to make a point (my old parents included).

    But they will not be voting that way in the general election.

    This is an anti-Europe vote, not an anti-government vote.

    Be of good comfort, Master Ridley, and play the man; we shall this day light such a candle by God's grace in England as shall never be put out.

    by Bollox Ref on Sun May 25, 2014 at 07:19:17 PM PDT

  •  Trade policies (2+ / 0-)

    The Far Right parties are against the US-EU trade agreement.  Just like most Americans who post at this site are.

    "states like VT and ID are not 'real america'" -icemilkcoffee

    by Utahrd on Sun May 25, 2014 at 07:36:51 PM PDT

    •  From the left in Germany (2+ / 0-)
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      In Germany in the Saturday market where I went last week, only the Greens passed out information against the US-EU trade agreement.

      I was in the Altstadt in Düsseldorf late last week just after Merkel had come.  There were unaffiliated groups (I asked what party they represented) with signs against it.  

      [Medicare, and Medicaid, and Social Security] do not make us a nation of takers; they free us to take the risks that make this country great.

      by MoDem on Sun May 25, 2014 at 11:52:04 PM PDT

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      •  Here is my party's position (0+ / 0-)

        TTIP stoppen! Gegen das Freihandelsabkommen zwischen EU und USA

        TTIP stoppen!

        Seit Sommer 2013 laufen Verhandlungen zur Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP). Ziel ist die umfassende Liberalisierung des internationalen Handels und ein entscheidender Schritt zur weltweit größten Freihandelszone mit rund 800 Millionen Einwohnern. TTIP ist die Antwort der Wirtschaft in EU und USA auf neue starke Wettbewerber, die alte Vormachtstellungen gefährden und auch die Legitimität heutiger neoliberaler Wirtschafts- und Handelspolitik in Frage stellen.

        Konzerne sollen Staaten verklagen können, wenn neue Umwelt- oder Sozialgesetze ihre Gewinnerwartungen schmälern.

        Im Supermarkt sollen Hormonfleisch und genveränderte Lebensmittel angeboten werden, ohne Kennzeichnungspflicht.

        Energiekonzerne sollen sich die Erlaubnis zum Fracking erklagen können.

        Diese Liste an Beispielen könnte beinahe endlos weitergeführt werden.

        Don't be a dick, be a Democrat! Oppose CPI cuts! Support Social Security and Veteran Benefits!

        by Jeffersonian Democrat on Mon May 26, 2014 at 06:27:30 AM PDT

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        •  I support TTIP (0+ / 0-)

          I think it would be good policy to create a common economic space between Europe and the US. This area would comprise more than half of the world's GDP, and 1/3 of international trade. A bad agreement would be rejected by Congress/European Parliament (see: ACTA), but having a common economic space could be a counterpart against Putin's imperialist aggression.

          Die Linke are the direct successors of East Germany's communist party. No one ever wants to include them in any governing coalition, which is why SPD went into a grand coalition with CDU instead of combining themselves with Linke and the Greens.

          •  Die Linke (1+ / 0-)
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            are the direct successors to the WASG and PDS. The PDS had the old functionaries from the SED, some of whom are still in Die Linke waiting to retire. People like to overlook the fact that Oskar Lafontaine was the Minister President of Saarland and then Bundes Finance Minister - not exactly an East German communist.

            I do not support the TTIP, just another avenue for Monsanto to get their seeds into Europe, another neo-liberal business treaty. I really don't know which is worse, Putin's Imperial Aggression or the provocation of Putin with those German arms agreements to build factories in Ukraine, practically having NATO on his doorstep. I mean, it's not like the Clinton Administration didn't promise Russia not to extend NATO any further east than it was back in 1993.

            I always thought it hypocritical for one empire to criticize another for aggression.

            Don't be a dick, be a Democrat! Oppose CPI cuts! Support Social Security and Veteran Benefits!

            by Jeffersonian Democrat on Tue May 27, 2014 at 01:09:20 AM PDT

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            •  Die Linke is still extreme (0+ / 0-)

              Even though you're right that it does not only consist of East German Communists. In both 2005 and 2013, the SPD refused to enter a government with Die Linke as a coalition partner, even though it would have been easier than the Grand Coalitions with Merkel.

  •  The story here is (6+ / 0-)

    ample discontent in Europe with the traditional parties and the cuts.

    That as translated for punishment votes in elections that count relatively little compared to national, regional or local ones. There has been a rise of far right parties but also a rise of let parties in Greece or Spain for example. This elections have low participation for Europe so as in the midterms here the results favor the more motivated.

    The far right parties in Europe are very populist parties, unlike here. Lepen's party would be considered a weird semisocialist party here. Ukip has also a strong anti system undertone.

    In France the situation is serious cause both main parties are now unpopular and Front National has been quite strong for a decade now

  •  Finally, a point where "Going Godwin" makes... (17+ / 0-)

    ... perfect sense.

    When the chips are down, blame the immigrants and the minorities.

    And the Jews, of course. Always the Jews.

    "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

    by Bob Johnson on Sun May 25, 2014 at 08:40:03 PM PDT

  •  Yet more proof that conservatism is fatal (2+ / 0-)
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    I mean small-c conservatism, of the sort that most parties and movements regardless of ideology become reduced to eventually, out of fear of change, loss of power, and its leaders being replaced. They become selfish, meek, cowardly and averse to change and reform, even when clearly necessary. And so they die, replaced by far more radical parties and movements, whether on the right or left. This is what happened to FDR's Democratic party and to Ike's GOP. This is what I suspect is happening in Europe, as its historically dominant center-right and center-left parties have failed to govern well and implement necessary reform, out of fear and selfishness. So an unhappy public has been turning to more radical parties and movements.

    Stasis is death. Reform or die. History proves this over and over.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Sun May 25, 2014 at 09:04:44 PM PDT

  •  Just a little more perspective from the BBC (9+ / 0-)
    Laurence Peter, BBC News, Brussels

    The latest provisional results confirm a big setback for the centre-right EPP bloc, which is on course to lose about 60 seats, despite still coming top overall.

    One of the big stories of the night is the surge in the number of "Others" and "Non-Inscrits" - that is, Eurosceptic MEPs who are independent of any of the existing party groups. There will be about 100 of them. So it will be fascinating to watch how some of the other Eurosceptic groups try to woo them.

    It is clear the UK Conservatives have a real fight on their hands to win allies for their reform agenda in Europe. The results so far show that their ECR group has lost seats - perhaps 10 or more. That is probably because of Conservative losses and UKIP gains in Britain.

    The election has delivered a big blow to the political establishment in Europe - the establishment that pursued austerity and bank bailouts, at great cost to millions of ordinary voters.

    Nothing human is alien to me.

    by WB Reeves on Sun May 25, 2014 at 09:10:24 PM PDT

  •  It is possible to make too much of this. (5+ / 0-)

    People are pissed at the unelected Eurocrats, so when given the opportunity to vote for a European Parliament with no real power over those Eurocrats, they feel free to vote for nihilists.  It's like voting Lizard People.  

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Sun May 25, 2014 at 09:36:00 PM PDT

  •  agreed...this is a disturbing trend (1+ / 0-)
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    don't want to see it echoed in US in 2014 or 16.

  •  If I lived in the UK (0+ / 0-)

    I'd vote Labour for everything but EU elections and UKIP for that.

    In reality, laws are always useful to those with possessions and harmful to those who have nothing. - Rousseau, The Social Contract, note 5

    by James Allen on Sun May 25, 2014 at 10:47:01 PM PDT

  •  The Merkel party (3+ / 0-)
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    is still the strongest but it lost quit a bit. The SPD aka the socialist gained surprisingly and a new party the AfD a anti-Euro party gained an amazing 7%. AfD is to the right.

    And the good thing the Pirate Party got a seat.:-)

    Overall it is considered a warning shot to the current leaders that something has to change. I also think the situation in the Ukraine was influential - many people have been unhappy how Merkel handle it.

    Read the European view at the European Tribune

    by fran1 on Sun May 25, 2014 at 10:48:35 PM PDT

    •  CDU Losses (1+ / 0-)
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      appear to have happened mainly in bavaria where the Sisterparty CSU was running a campaign channeling the eurosceptics AFD Positions, so lots of people voted AFP instead of CSU.
      The 40% the XSU got in Bavaria was there lowest share ever in a european election.

      "How many years since you found yourself staring at an endless sky? " VNV Nation - Endless Skies

      by Kavalor on Mon May 26, 2014 at 03:25:33 AM PDT

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  •  maybe the plan to export rw radio is going well (0+ / 0-)

    for them

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sun May 25, 2014 at 10:54:22 PM PDT

  •  Question: Do they call themselves fascists, (0+ / 0-)

    or is that our negative (and perhaps correct) characterization of them?  It makes a big difference.

    •  No they do not call themselves fascist (2+ / 0-)
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      I would say they are nationalistic - and feel like many in the EU that something has to change, that the current state of affairs does not work for the people. Interessing will be if they can keep these numbers in the next national elections.

      Read the European view at the European Tribune

      by fran1 on Sun May 25, 2014 at 11:22:45 PM PDT

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  •  Does anybody have a feel for Scottish independence (0+ / 0-)

    Just curious how that vote will go.

    As I understand it, Labour has a huge block from Scotland, and a "yes" vote would likely cripple labour for good...true?

  •  The far right has won. (4+ / 0-)
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    But take a look at the results for EU parliament as a whole.

    Add up the center right to left parties... and well, you have over half the parliament in the hands of established, respectable parties (IMO). It is also helpful to remember that if we were to place our 2 parties on a scale that takes into account reality outside of the USA, the Dems would be closer to center right and Reps into the far right range.

    Of course things will change and we should be quite disturbed at the gains made by far right parties. However, they won't be running anything.

    I agree with the others here who have stated that many of these votes are protest votes against their national governments. Should we be concerned? Yes. European governments desperately need to shake off the financial elite and begin putting people back to work. As long as the left parties continue to bow to the financial masters, the right wing populists will win.

    Sound familiar?

    Here are the results from the EU election center:

  •  This is definitely not surprising (1+ / 0-)
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    However, it is not all of Europe. My Dutch friend told me a few days ago that it looked like the far-right party in her country, the PVV, would lose. Turns out she's right. Of course, she did add at the end that she was relieved as the Netherlands had taken a hard right turn in recent years. Looks like, for now, there's been at least a stop to the turn, if not a full throttle to the left.

    And on a side note, boy the voter turnout of your country looks much different on an international scale. The Netherlands wishes it had our level of turnout.

    Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole. - Ta-Nehisi Coates

    by moviemeister76 on Mon May 26, 2014 at 01:16:55 AM PDT

  •  The rest of the world.. (0+ / 0-) just now going through the Far Right madness that America went through in 2010. India also elected a far right radical (BJP) a few weeks ago, far right parties also won in Pakistan and South Korea last year, etc.

  •  European far right fascists gain seats (1+ / 0-)
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    holy crap - have we not seen this before?

  •  Hold on just a second. (1+ / 0-)
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    Good news from Italy, maybe. Sort of.

    The Partito Democratico (modeled on the American Democratic party, though really a coalition cobbled together of several center-left parties a few years back) led by the young PM Matteo Renzi just had an astoundingly huge victory, their largest ever: they took 40.8% of the vote, almost double that of the anti-Euro populist party Movimento 5 Stelle. Berlusconi's Forza Italia party got near 17% (unbelievably), and the separatist Lega Nord party got 6%, which isn't good.

    The PD now has the largest number of representatives in the European center-left coalition, more than that of Germany. Renzi said he has already talked to Hollande about how to bring France back into the fold.

  •  wrong: "far right also won in the Netherlands" (4+ / 0-)
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    the PVV (the most far right party) lost one seat and support for them in general in NL has lost a lot steam. The rest of the composition remained pretty much the same except D66 gained a seat and the Christian Dem (CDA) Party maintained its seats. Both D66 and CDA are very mainstream.

    Also, the diary title is really over blowing the event: perhaps the far right made gains but "Far Right Wins Across Europe" ... come on. Let's stop with the fox-like overblowing things.

    “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” Buckminster Fuller

    by pfiore8 on Mon May 26, 2014 at 05:16:47 AM PDT

  •  From a friend living in the Netherlands: (3+ / 0-)
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    Briefly: far right parties generally gained in the parliamentary elections, which is what was predicted.  The worst development is France, which was also predicted.  Apparently, not so bad in Italy, surprisingly enough.  Hungary and Greece, disgusting, but no surprise, and those parties are openly fascist/anti-semitic/both.  Wilders in Holland did less well than expected, which is a good thing..however, it should have been worse for him.

    Generally, no one is analyzing, just reacting.  Voter turnout is lousy, and no one really wants to address the various reasons why that might be.  Also, many people are voting far right/far left because of disgust with the status quo, not because they hold extreme rightist or leftist views…and no one is really talking about that or why that is, or why there is no party/point of view that anyone feels confidence in.

    But it’s also going to be a very bad few years.

    An angry white man with a gun is a patriot. An angry Muslim man with a gun is a terrorist. An angry black man with a gun is a corpse. -- raptavio

    by Yasuragi on Mon May 26, 2014 at 05:45:39 AM PDT

  •  What in the hell is the matter with them??? (0+ / 0-)

    I can understand it here - Americans are stupid and getting dumber by the minute with RTT and privatization.  

    I will not vote for Hillary.

    by dkmich on Mon May 26, 2014 at 06:10:04 AM PDT

  •  Meh. These are elections to the European (0+ / 0-)

    Parliament and the far right parties are getting 1/4 to 1/3 of the vote in multiparty elections.
       So, the right isn't sweeping public opinion and this election isn't necessarily a harbinger of what will happen in national elections.
       In France, the socialist government has completely failed to undo the damage done by the banker imposed austerity throughout the EU. Naturally, the public is addressing this failure by voting for someone else.
       This is a reaction to austerity. And in an austerity environment, everybody is fighting for their piece of the pie. So there is a lot of anti-immigrant sentiment.
       Germany and the banking interests may have overplayed their hand.

  •  I'm shocked, shocked (0+ / 0-)

    I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling xenophobia is going on in here! France!

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Mon May 26, 2014 at 08:08:45 AM PDT

  •  Seems to me (0+ / 0-)

    They are voting for whatever "party" is promising to cure their economic and austerity problems (and the people believe) - just not whatever party is in power currently.

    Not much different from US elections.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ... Voltaire

    by RUNDOWN on Mon May 26, 2014 at 04:24:56 PM PDT

  •  Golden Dawn (0+ / 0-)

    Nice piece.  Would like to add the following observation: lots of commentators in Europe have written about Greece's rising problem with fascism, namely Golden Dawn.  But Greece is one of the few countries where the left emerged as the winner while Golden Dawn, despite finishing third, received a much lower percentage than similar parties in other countries in Europe.  Europe clearly has a problem with the rising threat of fascism, but it would be good of journalists and activists alike to look at the issue continent-wide instead of focusing on Greece (again!) as the "bad boy" of Europe.

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